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Glock30 Guy
02-14-2010, 21:55
I have never had a 1911 45 before but with my tax return it will happen. I am partial to Sigs and Glocks but open to any high quality single stack 45 that is match quality 4-5" barrel. I looked at Kimbers Gold Match II and Sigs P220 Super Match and both seem nice. I need some real world input. I want the best and most reliable gun I can afford. I am also someone that likes the way a gun looks too. Gotta be some hot eye candy! OK, open the can of worms and discuss...:whistling:

bac1023
02-14-2010, 21:58
You have to go with Les Baer.

Some of their models are under $2000 and they're certainly the best in that price range.

willis68
02-14-2010, 22:04
Les Baer TRS, Thunder Ranch Special $1800.00 is what I recently paid this is the second one I have had I sold the first and missed it, by far the best 1911 under 2k in my opinion :cool:

Quack
02-14-2010, 22:22
Springfield Custom Shop Custom Carry?

Glock30 Guy
02-14-2010, 22:23
Do you have to order guns from Les Baer or do they sell via gun shops too?

Quack
02-14-2010, 22:24
Do you have to order guns from Les Baer or do they sell via gun shops too?

you can get them from shops. there are a few shops around me that are stocking dealers.

Glock30 Guy
02-14-2010, 22:30
I only saw an order form on the LB web site. I'll have to call them to see who they have in SC or NC.

bubbaskyjacker
02-14-2010, 22:31
baer, brown, used wilson or nightawk. or get a DW and spend the rest on ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!
the 2010 Dan wesson are supposed to be pretty darn nice. here is my 2008
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/lbanduci/IMAG0016.jpg

Quack
02-14-2010, 22:36
you can order a Baer from:
www.migunslingers.com
www.proload.com
www.sportingarms.com

PlasticGuy
02-14-2010, 22:41
Definitely Baer. The Premier II and the Thunder Ranch Special can both be found for a bit under $2000. They are relative bargains in that price range. My Premier II has been a solid favorite of mine for several years now, and has never given me a problem.

Ol'Slabsides
02-14-2010, 22:43
Here ya go:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1184788

Quack
02-14-2010, 22:44
My $1395 Wilson i bought last year. :)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_8422.jpg

a dealer out here has a pre-owned Wilson Classic for $1800

bac1023
02-15-2010, 05:31
My $1395 Wilson i bought last year. :)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_8422.jpg



That was a hell of a deal. :)

Substance-P
02-15-2010, 06:51
I am a big fan of Baer at the pricepoint. I would also consider an S&W performance center. They seem to be a bargain as well and can be had for significantly less than MSRP. A local shop has a stainless one they want to get rid of (new but hasn't moved for a while) they have $1450 on it now.

Jitterbug
02-15-2010, 08:39
That was a hell of a deal. :)

I've had decent luck with my $975 Dan Wesson CBOB and my $1275 Kimber compact CDP after some initial heartache...but if I had an extra $2k dedicated for 1911 goodness I'd give the used Wilson market a long, hard look!

Rinspeed
02-15-2010, 08:41
Do you have to order guns from Les Baer or do they sell via gun shops too?




You can save $200-300 by ordering from one of the dealers Quack has listed. The sales tax would be half of that. I got mine from Sporting Arms and they were great to deal with but John at Proload is a very nice guy as well.

GJ1981
02-15-2010, 09:06
I can suggest a few good choices under 2k

A Les Baer, which has already been mentioned, is a great choice. I ordered my TRS locally for $1740 OTD.

A Springfield Custom Carry can be had for around $1800.

If you order from George at gunslingers you could get a Ed Brown Special Forces for $1990? shipped, so whatever your transfer fees are.

If you could come up with an extra $75 or so you could get a Nighthawk GRP from George for around $2050.

The prices are from when I asked George back in December, so they might have changed some. The GRP was priced with a few extra options so you might get one for less.

nnickatnight
02-15-2010, 09:10
Dan Wesson in my opinion. My Pointman shoots as well as my Les Premier at about half the price. I think it's the best value out there for a 1911 hands down.

ambluemax
02-15-2010, 09:28
Les Baer TRS as mentioned or a Dan Wesson Valor are pretty much the list for me in that price range.

txleapd
02-15-2010, 11:54
If I may throw in my 2 cents worth.... Les Baer, Wilson, and/or something from the Springfield Custom Shop are all great choices. I would really like Nighthawk, but their pistols start at over $2K (which doesn't meet the OP's criteria). I would even suggest not overlooking the STI Lawman or Sentinel Premier. Those are two of STI's higher end single stacks. They start at about $1400 and $1800 respectively....

hatidua
02-15-2010, 12:14
Don't overlook buying used, there are some pretty good deals that come around now and then...

I picked this up for $1600, put new grips on it and ditched the ambi-safety:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/prohand.jpg

If "hot eye candy" is the main criteria, I guess you should probably toss Ed Brown into the mix. Here's a couple EB's:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/2twins.jpg

GVFlyer
02-15-2010, 12:18
Pick a Les Baer that you like.

willowofwisp
02-15-2010, 13:54
I vote for Baer...most of his models can be had for under 2000$...except the SRP and a few others...but they are great guns for the price.

JMiller
02-15-2010, 18:31
+1 Dan Wesson Pointman used. I just picked this one up locally for $700.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/millhouse75/DW2.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/millhouse75/DW1.jpg

gconan
02-15-2010, 20:17
My $1395 Wilson i bought last year. :)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_8422.jpg


The deal of the century!

Bluerock1
02-15-2010, 21:58
If you want adjustable sights the Baer P2 w/ 1.5 option. Should be under 2K from John @ proload.
BR1

RoG23
02-16-2010, 23:13
FUSION...Get a 1911 how you want it.......Semi Custom and Full Custom 1911's, solid customer service! Think there is a wide variety of 1911's under 2K @ Fusion.. Don't get me wrong Dan Wesson and Les Baer are also on the top of my list!!

bac1023
02-16-2010, 23:19
FUSION...Get a 1911 how you want it.......Semi Custom and Full Custom 1911's, solid customer service! Think there is a wide variety of 1911's under 2K @ Fusion.. Don't get me wrong Dan Wesson and Les Baer are also on the top of my list!!

I really don't consider Fusion semi custom or custom, because all the work is production grade from a fitting and refinement standpoint.

I like them, but I don't put them in the same league as the popular semi customs from Baer, Brown, Wilson, etc.

MD357
02-16-2010, 23:22
Lots of good suggestions. I've also seen several Wilsons used under $2000 lately. Can't go wrong with Wilson, Baer, Brown used IMHO.

Cobra64
02-17-2010, 00:49
baer, brown, used wilson or nightawk. or get a DW and spend the rest on ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!
the 2010 Dan wesson are supposed to be pretty darn nice. here is my 2008
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/lbanduci/IMAG0016.jpg


Dan Wesson is moving up towards the trendy players... :supergrin:

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-v-bob/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-valor/

glockmancustom32
02-17-2010, 01:06
Heres a Les Baer Premier II Tactical on gun broker.... for 1,800

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158027238#PIC

bac1023
02-17-2010, 06:28
Dan Wesson is moving up towards the trendy players... :supergrin:

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-v-bob/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-valor/

Yeah, they are certainly moving upmarket.

Hopefully, it works for them.

Substance-P
02-17-2010, 06:44
Yeah, they are certainly moving upmarket.

Hopefully, it works for them.

+1 DW made a huge splash by filling a niche in the market that needed some help first with the CBOB (in the under 1K category) and then with the Valor (which Whittaker guns had for aound 1150 when they first came out). However, I don't know how many more 1911s we need further up the food chain pricewise. Of course, I don't know what the actual street price will be on the VBob. Hopefully, regardless of who well their higher end stuff does, they won't let the CBOB move too far past its original pricepoint.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 06:56
+1 DW made a huge splash by filling a niche in the market that needed some help first with the CBOB (in the under 1K category) and then with the Valor (which Whittaker guns had for aound 1150 when they first came out). However, I don't know how many more 1911s we need further up the food chain pricewise. Of course, I don't know what the actual street price will be on the VBob. Hopefully, regardless of who well their higher end stuff does, they won't let the CBOB move too far past its original pricepoint.

The CBOB is actually discontinued. :crying:

124JHP
02-17-2010, 09:56
+1 DW made a huge splash by filling a niche in the market that needed some help first with the CBOB (in the under 1K category) and then with the Valor (which Whittaker guns had for aound 1150 when they first came out). However, I don't know how many more 1911s we need further up the food chain pricewise. Of course, I don't know what the actual street price will be on the VBob. Hopefully, regardless of who well their higher end stuff does, they won't let the CBOB move too far past its original pricepoint.


+100 to the DW CBOB

majette
02-17-2010, 10:07
i am partial to my mc operator, especially when i fired it side by side with a nighthawk grp recon.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 10:19
+100 to the DW CBOB


Guys, the CBOB issue is a mute point.

Its gone from the lineup.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-commander-classic-bobtail/

dakrat
02-17-2010, 10:26
I only saw an order form on the LB web site. I'll have to call them to see who they have in SC or NC.

biggest online Les Baer distributor http://www.proload.com/. John will take good care of you. give him a call when you are ready

dakrat
02-17-2010, 10:28
Les Baer :)

MacG22
02-17-2010, 10:31
Guys, the CBOB issue is a mute point.

Its gone from the lineup.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-commander-classic-bobtail/

Actually, Bac. That's not EXACTLY true, though its almost true. They'll still be produced for California, and when I called the company they said I could get one that way. 2010-2012, at least.

However, the price is up.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 10:34
Actually, Bac. That's not EXACTLY true, though its almost true. They'll still be produced for California, and when I called the company they said I could get one that way. 2010-2012, at least.

However, the price is up.

I guess since its approved in CA, they don't want to lose the sales.

Still, the CBOB doesn't really fit in with their plans to move upmarket, so I imagine its short lived.

MacG22
02-17-2010, 10:49
I guess since its approved in CA, they don't want to lose the sales.

Still, the CBOB doesn't really fit in with their plans to move upmarket, so I imagine its short lived.

I agree. I think if I had the money to bet on it, we'll see the VBOB come down in price over the next few years.

MD357
02-17-2010, 10:54
biggest online Les Baer distributor http://www.proload.com/. John will take good care of you. give him a call when you are ready

+1 for John helluva nice guy..... so much so it's hard to get off the phone. :supergrin:

Rinspeed
02-17-2010, 11:08
+1 for John helluva nice guy..... so much so it's hard to get off the phone. :supergrin:



Ain't that the truth, I made the mistake of calling when I was working once. :faint:

bac1023
02-17-2010, 11:14
I never spoke to him, but thanks for the heads up. :)

Cobra64
02-17-2010, 15:04
Guys, the CBOB issue is a mute point.

Its gone from the lineup.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-commander-classic-bobtail/

It's only gone from the DW web site. Gun manufacturer's web site are notorious for their inaccuracies and deceptive reporting. For instance, the P226ST has been "discontinued" for years, but is in reality, still in production for the CA market since the P226ST Elites are not offered there. The SIG Allround model was absent from their web site for over a year due to an apparent oversite by the web administrator. Of course one would have though that the product manager would have picked up on that.

Anyway, it appears the CBOB is still in production for the CA market. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=250850


Recent thread on 1911Forum.com re 2010 CBOB: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=261112&highlight=CBOB

bac1023
02-17-2010, 16:17
It's only gone from the DW web site. Gun manufacturer's web site are notorious for their inaccuracies and deceptive reporting. For instance, the P226ST has been "discontinued" for years, but is in reality, still in production for the CA market since the P226ST Elites are not offered there. The SIG Allround model was absent from their web site for over a year due to an apparent oversite by the web administrator. Of course one would have though that the product manager would have picked up on that.

Anyway, it appears the CBOB is still in production for the CA market. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=250850


Recent thread on 1911Forum.com re 2010 CBOB: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=261112&highlight=CBOB

Hopefully, they keep offering it for a while yet. It is a nice 1911 for the price, even though its going up.

Cobra64
02-17-2010, 16:44
Hopefully, they keep offering it for a while yet. It is a nice 1911 for the price, even though its going up.

If production costs go up, they need to increase the selling transaction price to maintain margins. Furthermore, if demand still outstrips supply, then they should increase the selling price until the optimal equilibrium price point is achieved.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 18:22
If production costs go up, they need to increase the selling transaction price to maintain margins. Furthermore, if demand still outstrips supply, then they should increase the selling price until the optimal equilibrium price point is achieved.

Yep. They need to find the proper balance.

Officer's Match
02-17-2010, 19:57
+1 for John helluva nice guy..... so much so it's hard to get off the phone. :supergrin:

Ain't that the truth, I made the mistake of calling when I was working once. :faint:

Been there, did that... today in fact.

I never spoke to him, but thanks for the heads up. :)

You have no idea what you're missing. Get ready to own some more Baer's my friend.

Now if I can just decide which will be my first Les Baer... leaning towards the Super Tac... or Stinger... or Thunder Ranch - dang I'm screwed.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 21:55
Been there, did that... today in fact.



You have no idea what you're missing. Get ready to own some more Baer's my friend.

Now if I can just decide which will be my first Les Baer... leaning towards the Super Tac... or Stinger... or Thunder Ranch - dang I'm screwed.

:rofl:

OM, you have to go for the SRP. :supergrin:

I think it may be the best all around 1911 they build. I've got one with the 1.5" accuracy option.

http://www.lesbaer.com/Swift.html









.

willowofwisp
02-17-2010, 22:16
IMO the best first Baer is a TRS or a premiere II..both are great guns and you can get them with multiple options.

I would give john a call too, thats where i got my PII he had the one i wanted exactly in stock, 1.5" option, no fcs, single sided safety. I did want thin grips but i decided to pass on the option, the other option i wanted was the 2 piece magwell from Baer, he didn't have that in stock but my grandpa ordered me one for it like 2 weeks later.


I think Baer's are great guns and a middle ground. I was thinking of comparing high end 1911's to cars. Baer would be porsche, Wilson Combat Lambo and Ed Brown Ferrari.

of course springer would be GM because most stuff is production but they have their highlights.


IMO the SRP is a great pistol, the gun gets much more time and detail paid to it in terms of hand fitting, from what i have read and heard the SRP gets 40 man hours put into it.

bac1023
02-17-2010, 22:23
IMO the SRP is a great pistol, the gun gets much more time and detail paid to it in terms of hand fitting, from what i have read and heard the SRP gets 40 man hours put into it.

I can believe it.

I certainly like it a lot more than my stainless Concept V.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0852.jpg

willowofwisp
02-17-2010, 22:28
I agree, I never really liked the les baer concept pistols....they just didn't seem to have a purpose or really fit anywhere in his line up. I guess they are just models for people who aren't sure what role they want their 1911 to play? i know the concept 1 and 2 are a bit cheaper than a premiere II but i believe the concept 5 is the same price

bac1023
02-17-2010, 22:36
I agree, I never really liked the les baer concept pistols....they just didn't seem to have a purpose or really fit anywhere in his line up. I guess they are just models for people who aren't sure what role they want their 1911 to play? i know the concept 1 and 2 are a bit cheaper than a premiere II but i believe the concept 5 is the same price

Yeah, the Concept V is all stainless and more expensive.

MastiffMan
02-17-2010, 22:42
JMO.. Baers .... Dan Wesson ... good used pistols from anyone of the production semi custom builders...

Officer's Match
02-17-2010, 23:20
:rofl:

OM, you have to go for the SRP. :supergrin:

I think it may be the best all around 1911 they build. I've got one with the 1.5" accuracy option.

http://www.lesbaer.com/Swift.html

.

This is the one I'm considering (Super Tac):


http://www.lesbaer.com/PremierST.html

http://www.lesbaer.com/images/Premier-II-Super-Tac.jpg

bac1023
02-17-2010, 23:25
They're all great, OM.

I'm just partial to the SRP. :)



...probably because I own one. :rofl:

s2r
02-22-2010, 20:44
Concept VII

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff254/s2r600/ConceptVII.jpg

hamr56
02-23-2010, 14:53
I have had great luck with both of my Dan Wessons. They are well built and priced right.....or at least they were.