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jeffreybehr
02-14-2010, 21:32
Tested my first two .45-caliber bullets today, shot from my 38. As I've done and reported upon in the past, I shot them into 1-gallon water jugs, 4 front-to-back and touching, from 10 feet.

The factory ammo is the Winchester Super-X 185g. Silvertip hollowpoint, while I've reloaded nothing but Speer Gold Dot 185s. The velocity of the STs disappointed me at 918FPS (at first-screen-at-10-feet), while I've managed to get my reloads using Universal* up to more than 1075FPS, altho I've settled on a load with a velocity of about 1040FPS.

The Silvertip performed adequately, expanding nicely and not coming apart, but the GoldDot was again the star performer, expanding fully, staying together, and looking great in the process. As in my 40-caliber tests, a portion of the core of the GDs stays attached to the expanded petals of the jacket, reinforcing them.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Shooting%20stuff/245s_1000w.jpg


* Chosen for its lack of muzzle flash; see http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_190_31/ai_n27380935/ .

Njanear
02-15-2010, 03:53
Impressive!! :cool:

Officer's Match
02-15-2010, 07:43
While I've got a bunch of other stuff in 45GAP too, I almost always carry 200gr Gold Dots.

amazingphotos
02-15-2010, 15:23
I also recently shot some jugs of water. Left to right - .22 Remington Golden Bullets 37 grain from A.A. kit on Glock 39, 9mm+p Speer Gold Dot 124 grains from Walther PPS, .45 GAP Speer Gold Dot 200 grains from G39.

jeffreybehr
02-15-2010, 17:33
I also recently shot some jugs of water. Left to right - .22 Remington Golden Bullets 37 grain from A.A. kit on Glock 39, 9mm+p Speer Gold Dot 124 grains from Walther PPS, .45 GAP Speer Gold Dot 200 grains from G39.

Yup; the GDs are IMO the best-performing bullets available as bullets and in many calibers. My tests of 40-caliber bullets included Winchester PDX1 factory ammo; it performed even a little better than the GDs, but the PDX1s aren't available as bullets. The new Hornady FTX may be excellent, but I've not seen or tested any.

jeffreybehr
02-15-2010, 17:42
Boys and girls, I'd love to test more G.A.P. HP bullets, but I'm so pleased with the Gold Dots that I'm not buying any other bullets.

If any of you have any HP bullets or cartridges you'd like to see tested and are willing to send me, pls e-mail me at jeffreybehr(at)cox(dot)net. I'll buy the waterjugs and gasoline and spend the time doing the testing, fotografy, etc.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Shooting%20stuff/08Nov09_4waterjugs_1000w.jpg

hyJOEstatic SHOCK
02-20-2010, 02:02
Hey jeffreybehr (http://glocktalk.com/forums/member.php?u=118009),

Expanded bullets, just about as pretty as a flower.

I've read some good stuff about the Federal HST Tactical LE 230gr. & it would be cool to see some of your testing with these. I got some @ ammunitiontogo some time ago, & they claimed they were selling it because of a canceled LE order. I've also read more often than not you have to get these @ an LE supplier.

They look devastating in their design.

Joe

deadmonkey90
02-20-2010, 02:21
test request... now do gold dots vs. winchester ranger

jeffreybehr
02-20-2010, 09:45
test request... now do gold dots vs. winchester ranger

Be happy to; send me some Rangers, at least 5, so I can chronograf them too. E-mail me at jeffreybehr(at)cox(dot)net for the address.

jeffreybehr
02-20-2010, 09:47
I've read some good stuff about the Federal HST Tactical LE 230gr. & it would be cool to see some of your testing with these. I got some @ ammunitiontogo some time ago.
Joe

Be happy to; send me some of those, at least 5, so I can chronograf them too. E-mail me at jeffreybehr(at)cox(dot)net for the address.

Tang419
03-09-2010, 03:37
I'll add another plug for Gold Dots here. In my pic, two were from a G22 and two from a G27. I know they aren't GAP's, but it shows how well a Gold Dot works. Test media was magazines soaked in water over night.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Tang419/40sw_gold_dots.jpg


Jeffery, I'm like you, I see no reason to use anything besides Gold Dots for PD. However, I do have some componet 185gr Hornady XTP's.

dbarry
03-11-2010, 16:27
What is an acceptable price for 45 gap gold dots?

Why do some folks bash the gold dot ammo? I've read where folks say it doesn't expand, it's crummy ammo, but from what you guys are showing here, it looks like great stuff!

jeffreybehr
03-11-2010, 16:54
What is an acceptable price for 45 gap gold dots?

Why do some folks bash the gold dot ammo? I've read where folks say it doesn't expand, it's crummy ammo, but from what you guys are showing here, it looks like great stuff!
Here are prices. http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.45_GAP The BEST-ever price I've seen is $79 per 250, but that's in-store only at some place in Smyrna, GA.

I have NO idea that anyone ever bashes the GoldDot bullet. It performs beautifully in every test I've ever seen. When I tested a bunch of .40-cal. PD bullets, the GD was 2nd in theoretical* performance only to the new Winchester PDX1 bullet, and the PDX1 isn't (yet?) available as bullets.

I have FULL confidence in my GD loads and carry them.


*--'theoretical' because I test them in water, not in bodies of badguys. :embarassed:

dbarry
03-12-2010, 03:43
* Chosen for its lack of muzzle flash; see http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_190_31/ai_n27380935/ .

Jeff - You sold me on Gold Dots. Ordered some last night. The article link you referenced above was very interesting. The author who did the article mentioned that the round producing the blinding muzzle blast was loaded with 18 grains of ball powder and that if fully burned would produce pressures in excess of 100,000 psi !!

So I wonder what would happen if some poor sap put that in his 94 winchester lever action. :shocked: I'm sure a rifle barrel would give it time to burn up completely - but also could be spectacular KB?

jeffreybehr
06-15-2011, 18:59
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack, FWIW. :whistling:
Been gone about a year, not shooting, but restarted this month--just in time for the Arizona desert's 100-degree days! YEA! I still have the 37 for home-defense and practical-pistol competition and the 357-SIG-caliber 32 with LW 4.5" barrel, Glock tac-lite, and JPoint red-dot sight which I CC in a bellybag.

On returning to reloading a week or 2 ago, I discovered I had no personal-defense loads for the 37. I did have some 185g. Hornady XTPs, which I combined with 6.4g. of Universal (just 0.1g. over Speer's minimum).

Velocity (with the temperature about 100dF) at 10 feet averaged 1029FPS with an SD of 12. To test expansion, I shot them into 1-gallon waterjugs touching back-to-front; I covered the front of the 1st jug with 4 layers of denim. The bullets look great if not as expanded as the Gold Dots above; I guess that means they'll penetrate more.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Shooting%20stuff/185XTPs_nosebutt_smallfile.jpg