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CarlosC
02-15-2010, 21:58
I don't feel my Chinese database may be 100% accurate, so please let me know of any errors or additional information.

The Chinese AKMs use thicker 1.5mm receivers and they must have really liked the AK-47 because they kept the AK-47 front end and smooth receiver covers on their AKMs. Chinese AKs have also used AK-47 and AKM bayonets and their own permanently attached spike bayonets. Chinese AKs may also with hooded or unhooded FSBs. Some Chinese AKs have threaded barrels, and some don’t. Really, it’s a smorgasbord. As far as I know, all Chinese AKs have only an 800m sight too.

Chinese AKs were manufactured at one of several different factories and exported by either Polytech or Norinco, depending on their factory of origin. The Polytech serial numbers reveal the factory that built the gun and the original configuration:
PW: Factory 416 Wood stock
PF: Factory 416 Underfolder
PS: Factory 416 Sidefolder
CW: Factory 386 Wood stock
CF: Factory 386 Underfolder
CS: Factory 386 Sidefolder

Polytech also supplied the Legend series which are incredibly nice milled AK-47s, and they were made as either fixed stock, or underfolders. Other Chinese factory stamps include 26, 36 (two styles) and 66.

Let’s take a look at some of the Chinese AK. Most of these photos are from Chicom47.net.
Polytech Legend fixed stock. The Legend series used the AK-47’s Type-1 bayonet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChinesePolytechLegendWoodStock.jpg
Polytech Legend underfolder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChinesePolytechLegendUnderfolder.jpg
Polytech 56S-1 fixed stock with the spike bayonet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56PolytechAKS762Wood.jpg
And the 56S-1 double underfolder with the spike bayonet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56S-1doublefolderPolytec.jpg

CarlosC
02-15-2010, 21:58
Here is the Polytech 56S-2. This is very similar to the Norinco model, except for the pistol grip.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56-2Polytech.jpg

The super-rare 56-2 with the Galil folding stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseRareType56-2AKS47-2.jpg

Now for the Norinco guns. First is the Norinco Type 56S-1 fixed stock. Both this model and the underfolder use the Type 3 style bayonet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56nospike.jpg

And the Type 56S-1 underfolder.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56S-1closeupNorinco56S-1.jpg

Here is a Norinco 56S-1 underfolder with the bayonet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56S-1underfolderNorinco.jpg

CarlosC
02-15-2010, 21:59
More Norincos…The Type 56S-2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56S-2Norinco.jpg

And the Type 56S-3.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/ChineseType56S-3Norincort.jpg

What’s a MAK-90? A MAK-90 is nothing more than a Chinese Modified AK, of 1990. Basically, they are Chinese AKs that were imported during the ban. Some of the rifles were even in warehouses when the ban was enacted and had to be modified to be released. MAK-90s are made with either stamped or milled receivers, either straight cut or angled. Here is a picture of the two types of MAK-90 receivers. Most of these pics are from http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/page_2.htm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/MilledandstampedMAK-90s.jpg

As part of the ban agreement, all the evil features on these rifles were removed so they could be imported as “Sporters”. The original pistol grips and cool stock were replaced with a thumbhole stock. If the rifles had bayonet lugs, they were ground off. If they had folding spike bayonets, those were ground off as well. Muzzle threads were usually ground off, although I have seen some that escaped the grinder and some that had caps welded on the muzzles. After all the neutering, this is what was left.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/MAK-901.jpg

The underfolders didn’t escape the neutering either. They had their folding assemblies removed and plates riveted in their place.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/AK%20reference/MAKbanfolder.jpg

jehu
02-16-2010, 08:04
Thankyou Carlos for that very informative post. I have 9 Chinese prebans and two converted Mak 90's. The only Chicoms I've ever seen with nonhooded sights are the Polytech Legends which I've read were made to be as close to a Russian milled AK as the Chinese could make for the American commerial market. That being said anything is possible on a Chicom AK.:upeyes:

Glockdude1
02-16-2010, 09:21
:thumbsup:

GIockGuy24
02-16-2010, 11:55
Most Poly Tech AK's have chrome lined gas blocks (gas chambers) and most Norinco AK's do not. Most Poly Tech AK magazines have chrome followers and most Norincos do not. When American ammunition companies first starting making 7.62x39 ammunition there were no SAAMI standards and some companies used thin small rifle primers and some companies used thicker large rifle primers. Poly Tech started using spring loaded firing pins in most of their AK's after a certain date but not all of them had them even after that date.

Broncbuster
02-16-2010, 16:29
Carlos, thanks for all the info-- very informative. Do you have any pictures of a MAK90 in original configuration? Or is it a MAK90 after the mods?

CarlosC
02-16-2010, 16:42
A MAK-90 in its original configuration would have looked like a pre-ban rifle. It is a MAK-90 after the compliance mods.

adamg01
02-16-2010, 19:25
A MAK-90 in its original configuration would have looked like a pre-ban rifle. It is a MAK-90 after the compliance mods.

My Mak90 still have the threads on the barrel.

CarlosC
02-16-2010, 20:54
My Mak90 still have the threads on the barrel.

I know, that's why I had written this....



Muzzle threads were usually ground off, although I have seen some that escaped the grinder

my762buzz
02-16-2010, 21:27
By the way, since you got a chinese AK thread I figured this might be useful.



If anyone should ever want to know, avoid the third hole models that are contraban. I knew someone that had got one years ago and had to return it right away. The ATF is still looking for these and therefore these are worthless other than a parts kit once the receiver is torched. If I recall correctly, only (post 1990) MAK90s had this issue come about.

http://www.mouseguns.com/mak90web/badhole.jpg


http://www.mouseguns.com/mak90web/nohole.jpg




Oddly this also happened with the saigas a while back. But I think far more Chinese MAK90s made it through
with the third hole.

http://www.ellettbrothers.com/Saiga/slide4.jpg

Young Once
02-19-2010, 08:09
I have a Chinese type 56-2. However, there are no markings other that the encircled no. 313 beside the number 56-2. Can anyone tell me if this is a Norinco or a Polytech or from what arsenal it came from? TIA.

GIockGuy24
02-19-2010, 12:15
I have a Chinese type 56-2. However, there are no markings other that the encircled no. 313 beside the number 56-2. Can anyone tell me if this is a Norinco or a Polytech or from what arsenal it came from? TIA.

Poly Tech was a company formed by a group of Chinese officials for their own profit. They took over factory 386. Later, they may have been in legal trouble, Poly Tech was merged into the state owned company Norinco and Norinco took over factory 386.

Factory 313 Chinese AK's were only once imported into the US by a company in New York. they had the third axis pin that is illegal to import into the US and all factory 313 Chinese AK's were declared illegal in the US. That is why there is not much information about them. some factory 313 AK's have L-D selector markings and some factory 313 AK's have Chinese selector markings. They are made by Norinco but not all Norinco Ak's say "Norinco" on them.

GIockGuy24
02-19-2010, 12:54
Factory 313 Chinese 56-2 AK.

fnfalman
02-19-2010, 14:43
Man, I remembered when those sidefolding ChiComs were going for like $250 a pop and Keng's was the main importer/distributor.

Glockdude1
02-19-2010, 14:53
Man, I remembered when those sidefolding ChiComs were going for like $250 a pop and Keng's was the main importer/distributor.

:agree:

Where is Doc Brown's time machine..........

sgtglock
02-19-2010, 15:14
Don't forget the Norinco 84s in .223
I think this one was around $225 in 1988.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/sgtglock/ak84.jpg

GIockGuy24
02-19-2010, 15:40
Don't forget the Norinco 84s in .223
I think this one was around $225 in 1988.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/sgtglock/ak84.jpg

Poly Tech made some 223 AK's. The Norinco 223 AK's has the magazine mounted low to clear the standard 7.62x39 bolt carrier. In order to feed a smaller diameter round from the lowered magazine the 223 Norinco bolt has an extended feed lug on it's bottom side. Due to this extended bolt lug a bullet guide can't be used so the magazine is designed to feed without a bullet guide and does very good job. Poly Tech wanted to use a Valmet/Galil type magazine. The problem was with the magazine positioned lower to clear the bolt carrier it didn't feed reliably. Poly Tech redesigned the magazine follower one time trying to fix the problem but the problem was never solved. The very last shipment of Poly Tech 223 AK's are suppose to have the Norinco type magazine. The two magazine types are not interchangeable.

Young Once
02-20-2010, 11:03
Thanks for the info, Sir GlockGuy24. That is exactly the markings on my AK. Mine has the L-D selector markings. Thank you so much!

DJ Niner
02-02-2011, 00:38
Bump.

1985 4Runner
02-02-2011, 01:22
So what flash hider/ muzzle brake wil fit my stamped Mak 90 & funtion?

The pin on slant brake flew off, (as CarlosC said it would) after a few rounds.

TheGrimReaper
02-02-2011, 10:03
Nice Pics and good info. Thanks.

mac66
02-02-2011, 13:12
I had 5 MAK90s with 93' prefix to the serial number that came in just before they stopped importing them altogether. I had an FFL at the time. All 5 had a rivet in the mag release which prevented regular AK mags from fitting. The 5 round mags that came with it had grove machined in the tab so they would work. I kept one of those rifles and converted it from a thumbhole stock sometime later. I've never heard anyone mention the rivet in regard to the MAK90 on any forum. I will post pics soon.

You can see the hole where the rivet was.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/100_8246.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/100_8250.jpg

twag4
02-02-2011, 16:32
What is a fair price for a Type 56S-1 underfolder? There is a gunshop about an hour and a half from me that has two, I think his price is a little steep. He is in the $1500 range, but I really want one of these rifles. Please advise.

CarlosC
02-02-2011, 17:59
So what flash hider/ muzzle brake wil fit my stamped Mak 90 & funtion?

The pin on slant brake flew off, (as CarlosC said it would) after a few rounds.

My suggestion is to thread it at 1/2x28 (same as what you find on the AR-15). You can then install a slant brake from CNCWarrior.com. They have several different types of muzzle devices for the AK threaded in 1/2x28 including AK slant brakes, Type-84 brakes, AK-74 faux brakes (the real ones have expansion chambers, and AMR type brakes.
Another option is to build up the muzzle area with a welder, grind it down, then re-thread it at 14x1L.
If you're interested in threading the muzzle yourself, let me know and I can give you a list of tools you'll need and instructions. It would probably be cheaper to do it yourself, especially if you re-sell the tools once you're done, than to have a gunsmith do it.

fnfalman
02-02-2011, 20:10
What is a fair price for a Type 56S-1 underfolder? There is a gunshop about an hour and a half from me that has two, I think his price is a little steep. He is in the $1500 range, but I really want one of these rifles. Please advise.

That's acceptable considering the market of today. You don't get access to full bore commies made AK any more. Everything nowadays that are recent typical of some sort of mish mash combination.

Never Nervous
02-02-2011, 20:16
Tagged....

Goodspeed(TPF)
02-02-2011, 20:27
My suggestion is to thread it at 1/2x28 (same as what you find on the AR-15). You can then install a slant brake from CNCWarrior.com. They have several different types of muzzle devices for the AK threaded in 1/2x28 including AK slant brakes, Type-84 brakes, AK-74 faux brakes (the real ones have expansion chambers, and AMR type brakes.
Another option is to build up the muzzle area with a welder, grind it down, then re-thread it at 14x1L.
If you're interested in threading the muzzle yourself, let me know and I can give you a list of tools you'll need and instructions. It would probably be cheaper to do it yourself, especially if you re-sell the tools once you're done, than to have a gunsmith do it.


Good info. :wavey:

g22od
04-17-2011, 23:20
Great info! Thanks again Carlos.

tall terry
04-18-2011, 05:57
Carlos Time for a curve!! Anyone ever seen a prochine,(peoples republic of north china industries) AK47? Imported in 1986 by Sherwood international of Northridge Ca.? Very rare. thanks TT

fistpoint
04-18-2011, 06:10
http://chicom47.com/

tall terry
04-18-2011, 08:01
fistpoint thanks I've been there. a little info but not much found some more on ak47.net but not much more, I found there were less than 600 imported by sherwood, and around 4400 total before norinco/polytech started importing, this is one of the nicest AK's I have ever seen, fit and finish is incredable and accuracy is outstanding also. I have only seen 2 others of this model in the last 25 years if you have any other info, I would appreciate it, thanks TT

Glockdude1
04-18-2011, 08:18
fistpoint thanks I've been there. a little info but not much found some more on ak47.net but not much more, I found there were less than 600 imported by sherwood, and around 4400 total before norinco/polytech started importing, this is one of the nicest AK's I have ever seen, fit and finish is incredable and accuracy is outstanding also. I have only seen 2 others of this model in the last 25 years if you have any other info, I would appreciate it, thanks TT

:needspics:

tall terry
04-18-2011, 11:13
I'll try to put some pics up soon, it really looks alot like the norinco/poly tech's of the era, with the oil finish stock, it has subtle differences, out of all the AK's I've owned, I still have this one, it is very slick, and has never had an issue with anything. I've only found info on it in two locaions and that is very limited. TT

Glockdude1
04-18-2011, 13:18
Carlos Time for a curve!! Anyone ever seen a prochine,(peoples republic of north china industries) AK47? Imported in 1986 by Sherwood international of Northridge Ca.? Very rare. thanks TT

Like this?
http://chicom47.com/Pics/prochine.jpg

:cool:

tall terry
04-18-2011, 13:47
that's the one, but mine is in much better shape:cool: TT

CarlosC
04-18-2011, 15:48
Carlos Time for a curve!! Anyone ever seen a prochine,(peoples republic of north china industries) AK47? Imported in 1986 by Sherwood international of Northridge Ca.? Very rare. thanks TT

I have never personally seen one and I will say one thing....just when I thought I had figured out every type of AK ever made, along comes a new type/importer/etc., that I had never heard of. Excellent info for the database.

Porkchop
04-21-2011, 01:18
Carlos Time for a curve!! Anyone ever seen a prochine,(peoples republic of north china industries) AK47? Imported in 1986 by Sherwood international of Northridge Ca.? Very rare. thanks TT

Yes i have one.Most people call them Prochine not often you find one for sale.

DJ Niner
01-07-2012, 23:04
A bump to keep it current.

txgunguy
01-08-2012, 00:41
Carlos, a friend of mine is considering selling me his mak-90 for a very good price. At least I think it is. What is the current market value on these? It has the original wood stock and a polymer one on it.

CarlosC
01-08-2012, 13:37
The market on these fluctuates a lot and it also depends on whether it's milled or stamped (although in your case, I will assume it's stamped), condition, accessories, and if any mods have been done to it. It seems to vary by region in the US too.
If it were me, I wouldn't pay over $500 for one in pristine condition. Ultimately, a gun is worth whatever you're willing to pay for it though.

txgunguy
01-08-2012, 14:09
The market on these fluctuates a lot and it also depends on whether it's milled or stamped (although in your case, I will assume it's stamped), condition, accessories, and if any mods have been done to it. It seems to vary by region in the US too.
If it were me, I wouldn't pay over $500 for one in pristine condition. Ultimately, a gun is worth whatever you're willing to pay for it though.

When I handled it before i want to say it was milled. No mods besides a polymer thumbhole stock. Its in great shape. Hes asking way below 500.

Tailhunter
01-08-2012, 15:57
When I handled it before i want to say it was milled. No mods besides a polymer thumbhole stock. Its in great shape. Hes asking way below 500.

A nice clean MAK, low milage is worth 500, a milled on the other hand can bring twice that much.

Either way jump on the purchase.

CarlosC
01-08-2012, 19:53
For way below 500, I'd jump on it.

scwine
01-09-2012, 21:32
I have a Norinco BWK-92 Sporter in 5.56/.223, what magazines can I use and where to find. Thanks.

zeme05
01-09-2012, 21:39
The Polytech "Legend" was a good copy of a Russian Type 3 however the barrel was pinned and not threaded. Some Polytech parts are still available thru Keng's (NOS). Not all mags had the chrome followers some came with two mags others one mag.

adamg01
01-09-2012, 22:24
Carlos should change his name to "Lord AK 47". He has probably forgotten more about the Ak than I will ever know.

Glockdude1
01-10-2012, 05:19
I have a Norinco BWK-92 Sporter in 5.56/.223, what magazines can I use and where to find. Thanks.

Original Norinco .223 mags are not easy to find and expensive.

For example: http://www.gunsamerica.com/939376201/Guns/Rifles/AK-47-Rifles/Full-Stock/_223_NORINCO_FACTORY_30_ROUND_MAGAZINE_NEW_99_00.htm

:cool:

Mail Clerk
01-10-2012, 08:27
My Polytech Chinese AK works just fine right out of the box!!! Compared to my recent purchase of my IO Casar Romanian it took a couple tries from BIG 5 to get me a decent rifle that shoots strainght. Other than that I feel the Chinese rifles are most superior over all and itwas much cheaper and came with chrome bores.

If you can get one of these then get it before it dries up. I keep mine in my safe as part of my collection.

Mail Clerk

PlasticGuy
01-10-2012, 09:55
Great info as always, Carlos.

Do you have any info on which Chinese AK variants are most prone to having brittle bolts, trunions, and other parts?

ArmoryDoc
01-10-2012, 09:57
Chinese Norinco "AKM-47S" imported by Sile before the ban. I keep the Chinese mags put up so this one sports a Bulgarian but the average layman wouldn't know the difference.

https://cache.nebula.phx3.secureserver.net/obj/QjQ0N0Q3MzA5MUM5NkVCRTNCMDc6YmRiNDJhN2M5MzNjMWIyNDVjZWY5NjM4NjA1YTcwM2Q=?uid=c18658c7-ba27-4fc6-8519-59daf62c8b6c

Glockdude1
01-10-2012, 15:14
http://members.home.nl/t.ezendam/Guns/Norinco%2056S/AK.14.jpg

We wish!!!!

:supergrin:

G1ock N9nteen
01-10-2012, 21:24
What would a MAK90 be if it wasn't modified to meet 922r?

scwine
01-10-2012, 21:29
Original Norinco .223 mags are not easy to find and expensive.

For example: http://www.gunsamerica.com/939376201/Guns/Rifles/AK-47-Rifles/Full-Stock/_223_NORINCO_FACTORY_30_ROUND_MAGAZINE_NEW_99_00.htm

:cool:

:shocked: Yikes! Any other ones I could use? :crying:

Glockdude1
01-11-2012, 04:15
What would a MAK90 be if it wasn't modified to meet 922r?

Just a MAK 90.

:cool:

Glockdude1
01-11-2012, 04:19
:shocked: Yikes! Any other ones I could use? :crying:

I have been told you can use a 5.45 mag, (plenty of those around) , but you might have feeding issues. I have never owned a 5.45 or a 5.56 AK, and have never tried using a 5.45 magazine.

http://store.a51tactical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4324&cPath=159#googlebase

:cool:

Dennis in MA
01-11-2012, 10:18
Wait. Just found this thread. The Galil-stocked AK's are rarer than the bakelite-side folders????

When I went a'lookin, it was just the opposite. I've got a Galil-stock side-folding Poly. The bakelite cheek rest ones were $100-200 more and harder to find. This was 4-6 years ago.

G1ock N9nteen
01-11-2012, 12:35
MAK90 was made because of 922r. What were the Norincos that got stuck in warehouses before the ban?56 type 4?

PirateLookingAtForty
01-11-2012, 14:24
I have been told you can use a 5.45 mag, (plenty of those around) , but you might have feeding issues. I have never owned a 5.45 or a 5.56 AK, and have never tried using a 5.45 magazine.

http://store.a51tactical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4324&cPath=159#googlebase

:cool:

I have two 84s's. One feeds very happily from Bulgarian waffle mags, the other one won't strip rounds from them. Something to try.

TnHawk-45
01-12-2012, 12:45
:shocked: Yikes! Any other ones I could use? :crying:

I like PirateLookingAtForty have two of them. One takes any 223 mag that will fit and the other only reliably feeds from factory Norinco mags and Bulgarian Waffles that I take a little bit off them with a file to fit.

I have also used East German 74 mags with the Robinson Arms 223 follower in. Same goes with any poly 74 mags. Both mags have to have the Robinson Arms 223 follower and the inside of the feed lips relieved to compensate for the case shoulder length difference. Know up front though if you use the Polymer 74 mags and leave them loaded in as little as a week the sides of the mag will BULGE. The East German ones will not.

The Norinco also has a 40 round factory magazine. Currently when they are found it is at $100+ each for them. I have also used a friends 223 Russian 45 rounder in mine that takes any 223 mag.

Magazines are available on the For Sale sections at AR15.com and The AK Forum all the time. Prices recently have run from $30-50 each for the 30 rounders. If you shop on Gunbroker and the like, bend over and grease up beforehand.

The_Gun_Guru
10-01-2013, 18:11
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/20130918_111058-1_zps80585d15.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/20130918_111058-1_zps80585d15.jpg.html)

This is the only thing stamped on the receiver of my 56S:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/20120919_215750_zps28c3986b.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/20120919_215750_zps28c3986b.jpg.html)

One of my favorite pics:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/0602081656-1.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/0602081656-1.jpg.html)

The 84S:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/20130918_110751_zps54bcbc6b.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/20130918_110751_zps54bcbc6b.jpg.html)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/20130918_110736_zps9f21253e.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/20130918_110736_zps9f21253e.jpg.html)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/20130918_112102_zpsc656c090.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/gunguru364/media/The%20AKs/20130918_112102_zpsc656c090.jpg.html)

I refinished the stock on the 84S myself....it came out real nice! Also, the Promag 30-rounders work FLAWLESSLY in my 84S, and that makes me very happy!!!!!


TGG

scwine
10-01-2013, 18:21
I refinished the stock on the 84S myself....it came out real nice! Also, the Promag 30-rounders work FLAWLESSLY in my 84S, and that makes me very happy!!!!!


TGG

Would the mags work in a Norinco bWK-92 sporter .223? and a link to get them?

CarlosC
10-01-2013, 19:10
The stock came out very nice. Well done.

The_Gun_Guru
10-01-2013, 20:46
Would the mags work in a Norinco bWK-92 sporter .223? and a link to get them?

I can't say for certain but CTD has them for $10.36....worth a try.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MGPMAK-A5

The stock came out very nice. Well done.

Thank you sir :thumbsup:


TGG