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jesse_james
02-17-2010, 22:46
I am currently reloading for 10mm. I m using a g20, match bar sto std length/ 22lb spring w/ss guide rod. I am searching for loads with a velosity of 1300 fps or more and not with just 135gn bullets... they also have to have acceptable pressure. I cant wait to see what gets posted here!!!

MSgt Dotson
02-18-2010, 06:43
How will the average reloader determine pressure anyway?

assuming pressure is acceptable because there are no blown primers or pregnant/blown out/split ejected cases is also not correct.

If you want 'acceptble pressure' you would be wise to heed Hodgdon's/ Speer/ Lee/ Hornady reloading tables; if you want 200 fps 'extra', you will listen to some of the posters here, but might be unknowingly using 50k psi loads... :)

Someone will be along shortly with a 180 gr XTP @ 1350 fps to illustrate my point....

jesse_james
02-18-2010, 18:43
as long as the brass shows no signs of over pressure including the primers im fine with it...

MSgt Dotson
02-18-2010, 19:42
Do a search for the term, "Super Face"... :)

MSgt Dotson
02-18-2010, 19:58
From Hodgdon's website:

180 GR. SIE JHC powder:Longshot COL: 1.260"
strt 8.5 gr 1221 fps 31,000 PSI
max 9.5 gr 1287 fps 34,600 PSI

This falls thirteen fps short of the magic number of 1300 fps...you decide where/if to proceed beyond that...

MakeMineA10mm
02-18-2010, 22:55
as long as the brass shows no signs of over pressure including the primers im fine with it...

Just a little too casual and reckless for my taste.

Didja read the thread here, first: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179485?

There is a LOT of data in the above categories to research and find which meet your criteria. I doubt anyone responsible will post loads for you here that need to be worked up to carefully, when you express such a cavalier attitude/understanding of the kind of reloading we do with the 10mm here.

jesse_james
02-19-2010, 14:05
I think you assumed I was never going to establish a safe base and work up the load gradually... I am just curious as to some of the full power 10mm loads that seem to be gaining in popularity. I can assure you I have too much time and money and not to mention my well beeing to just start at the max in my pistol and see what happens. Just cuase it works in someone elses doesnt mean it will be safe in mine...
what I meant by
as long as the brass shows no signs of over pressure including the primers im fine with it...
is that in your pistol, at max load, did the brass show tell tale signs of over pressure. I want to know this because this tells me even though it may not be safe in my pistol it can be done safely in someone elses so I feel more comfortable starting lower and working my way up.

jesse_james
02-20-2010, 21:48
handloads.com has some using 180gn bullets and 800x powder

RyeDaddy
02-25-2010, 07:23
165 grain Gold Dot with 9.5 grains Power Pistol(10.0 is max in the Speer manual), CCI 350 magnum primer in new Starline brass gave me 1365 FPS. Loaded to 1.260". The velocity was measured using the stock barrel in my G20, no smiley, my LWD barrel shot it just as accurately, but I didn't chrono it through the aftermarket barrel.

Edited to add that the Speer Manual lists the expected velocity from the listed max should be 1315 FPS. No doubt the Mag primer conributed to the higher attained velocity, but no pressure signs.

jesse_james
02-25-2010, 14:37
I see that in the new speer manual at 1315 with cci300's thats awsome you got 1365 with cci350's. I got two lbs of power pistol and I hear good things! these are the loads im looking for.... 165 grain-180 grain that exceed 1300 fps. thx everyone.

Taterhead
02-25-2010, 23:30
I ran some 165 grain Gold Dots over my chrony last week. 15.2 gr of A9 & CCI 350 primers averaged 1320 fps from my G20. I used new Starline brass and set to 1.255". The Speer published max is 15.5 gr A9 @ 1344 fps. This is a nice snappy load with good accuracy and tolerable recoil. I was impressed with how clean burning this load was. Temp was 45 degrees.

I also ran some 155 gr GDs over 12.7 gr A7 (CCI 300). These chronied north of 1300 fps as well.

hill billy
03-01-2010, 09:22
Alliant lists a 180 gr load on their site of 11.0 grains at 1295 fps, I believe. Check this before it's used but I state this to refute the statement above that somehow a 1350 fps load would be "unsafe". Squeezing another 50fps out of that load is not that hard or unsafe. I have mentioned before that I am shooting a 180gr bullet over 1400 fps. This is not all that hard either and I am doing so with no issues shown in brass or primers. Not all of us like to shoot the mouse fart loads shown in a reloading manual designed for the dumbest among us who would blow themselves to hell if given half a chance. Reloading manuals are a guideline, and a good one to be sure, but nothing great was ever accomplished by sticking to the rules only. That said, if you choose to deviate from what is shown, make sure you know what the heck you are doing and accept the risks you are taking. The life you take may be your own.

hill billy
03-05-2010, 16:43
I ran a new load today. Win Primers, new Starline brass, 180 Gr Berry's, 11.3 gr of Blue Dot, 1340 FPS avg.

This load shows a mark(cut) on the edge head of the case. If it's hitting the slide somewhere or the wire mesh I had next to me I am not sure. The primers are nice and round but definitely are showing a very small amount of cratering around the rectangular mark that heavy loads out of a Glock produce. I am confident this load would go a good bit higher but case capacity is starting to be an issue. I loaded these to 1.265.

jesse_james
03-18-2010, 20:19
i am going to try those out for my self hill billy... but of couse ill start a few grains below and work up... I would love to hit that 1400fps mark just for kicks as my main concern is getting acurate, safe, clean 180 grain 1300 fps loads. I almost always use cci 350's or federal 155m primers. favorite powders are power pistol,blue dot and true blue, 2400, aa 9, long shot and imr hi-skor 800x of course even though its a b***h to work with...any body have success metering 800x out of a dillin powder dispencer and not need to use a trickler to get exact?

Taterhead
03-19-2010, 15:49
I ran a new load today. Win Primers, new Starline brass, 180 Gr Berry's, 11.3 gr of Blue Dot, 1340 FPS avg.

This load shows a mark(cut) on the edge head of the case. If it's hitting the slide somewhere or the wire mesh I had next to me I am not sure. The primers are nice and round but definitely are showing a very small amount of cratering around the rectangular mark that heavy loads out of a Glock produce. I am confident this load would go a good bit higher but case capacity is starting to be an issue. I loaded these to 1.265.

How are these bullets grouping at these velocities? When I heat up this projectile, I start getting keyholing and sloppy target strikes.

hill billy
03-19-2010, 20:52
How are these bullets grouping at these velocities? When I heat up this projectile, I start getting keyholing and sloppy target strikes.

Not awful but truly not great. Good enough in my opinion.

hill billy
03-26-2010, 08:07
I shot this same load yesterday for the first time out of my G29sf with LW barrel and 22 lb spring but with Extreme bullets. I was blown away by how accurate it was. One hole groups at 10 yards with no issues. I was very surprised since Extreme is a newer company and still just a plated bullet like Berry's. Very nice.

jesse_james
03-26-2010, 20:47
i have to check extreme out!

AJE
03-27-2010, 07:54
i am going to try those out for my self hill billy... but of couse ill start a few grains below and work up... I would love to hit that 1400fps mark just for kicks as my main concern is getting acurate, safe, clean 180 grain 1300 fps loads. I almost always use cci 350's or federal 155m primers. favorite powders are power pistol,blue dot and true blue, 2400, aa 9, long shot and imr hi-skor 800x of course even though its a b***h to work with...any body have success metering 800x out of a dillin powder dispencer and not need to use a trickler to get exact?

I was trying to get similar to DT's 180gr load of 1350...

I had worked Blue Dot to max (11.0gr) with 180gr FMJ's before I got the chrono working.

When I did have it working, I worked up to 9.6gr of Power Pistol with the same FMJ's and was able to achieve an average of 1,291fps (average of 10 shots velocity, max 1319, min 1278, I was happy with the StD of 12.08).

Anyway, I had loaded some of the same load with XTP's. For some reason, I don't remember if they weren't registering on the chrono or I only had a few left when I did the testing, but I only have three loads chronoed, but they measured 1360, 1365, and 1380. These were also with CCI 300 primers, not mag primers.

(Alliant lists no data for 180gr so this could possibly be over max, so use with caution)

If it ever warms up long enough for the yard to dry out a little, I have a whole pile of more loads to try :supergrin:

hill billy
03-27-2010, 22:33
(Alliant lists no data for 180gr so this could possibly be over max, so use with caution)

If it ever warms up long enough for the yard to dry out a little, I have a whole pile of more loads to try :supergrin:

Alliant shows a max load of 11.0 with Blue Dot on their website.

AJE
03-28-2010, 07:10
Alliant shows a max load of 11.0 with Blue Dot on their website.

I was referring to the Power Pistol, on the website it only lists Blue Dot, Unique, and 2400.

Taterhead
03-28-2010, 13:51
I was referring to the Power Pistol, on the website it only lists Blue Dot, Unique, and 2400.

I looked up some older Alliant data from Loadbooks and found data for a 180 gr JHP. COL 1.250".

Max Power Pistol is 8.7 @1240 (34,900 PSI)

Use the older data with caution if it is not currently published.

MinervaDoe
03-29-2010, 08:55
I shot this same load yesterday for the first time out of my G29sf with LW barrel and 22 lb spring but with Extreme bullets. I was blown away by how accurate it was. One hole groups at 10 yards with no issues. I was very surprised since Extreme is a newer company and still just a plated bullet like Berry's. Very nice.
It's my understandiing that you are supposed to keep plated bullets below a velocity of 1,200 fps.
I believe that this is especially important in a Glock barrel where the deep rifling can tear the plating and any build up of lead can lead to a catastrophic failure.


Q3. Do your bullets have ANY velocity restrictions?
A. In general, our bullets typically perform their best when shot at velocities no greater than 1,200 to 1,250 Feet per second (FPS).
http://www.rainierballistics.com/mainframe.htm

hill billy
03-29-2010, 09:04
It's my understandiing that you are supposed to keep plated bullets below a velocity of 1,200 fps.
I believe that this is especially important in a Glock barrel where the deep rifling can tear the plating and any build up of lead can lead to a catastrophic failure.






You are right. For me it's a non issue because I use LW barrels. I believe keyholing and fragmentation are supposed to be issues

MinervaDoe
03-29-2010, 17:23
As long as you know. ... or just in case some beginners are reading the thread ....

whenmonkeysfly
04-12-2010, 13:09
Laser Cast 180 grain TC with 11 grains of Blue Dot. Used CCI 300 LP primers, Starline Brass. Shot from a customized G20 - Lone Wolf 6" externally ported barrel, Wolff 24lb spring /SS guide rod, Wolff/Brownells competition spring set, Lightning Strike LP Trigger, and some dremel work. Here's chronograph data from three, five shot strings:

Total Strings = 3
Feet Per Second

String 1
1) 1282.0 -20.8
2) 1301.0 -1.8
3) 1334.0 31.2
4) 1293.0 -9.8
5) 1304.0 1.2

High: 1334.0
Low: 1282.0
E.S.: 52.0
Ave.: 1302.8
S.D.: 19.4
95%: 26.9

String 2
1) 1298.0 10.6
2) 1307.0 19.6
3) 1289.0 1.6
4) 1273.0 -14.4
5) 1270.0 -17.4

High: 1307.0
Low: 1270.0
E.S.: 37.0
Ave.: 1287.4
S.D.: 15.9
95%: 22.1

String 3
1) 1275.0 -29.8
2) 1337.0 32.2
3) 1291.0 -13.8
4) 1311.0 6.2
5) 1310.0 5.2

High: 1337.0
Low: 1275.0
E.S.: 62.0
Ave.: 1304.8
S.D.: 23.3
95%: 32.3

No signs of excessive pressure IMO, but probably pushing the Laser Cast bullets a little too much.

texas 48
04-17-2010, 22:43
I see that in the new speer manual at 1315 with cci300's thats awsome you got 1365 with cci350's. I got two lbs of power pistol and I hear good things! these are the loads im looking for.... 165 grain-180 grain that exceed 1300 fps. thx everyone.
I can say that I have used 9.7gr PowerPistol for 165 gr MG JHP new Starline Cases CCI300 1.257 chrono avg was 1270ft/sec.
Have not put 135gr Noslers @10.6gr (Alliant Max) PP and 150gr Noslers @10.3gr PP across the chrono but with Glock 4.6 and 6 inch barrel out of my G20 and 20sf with no serious pressure signs. I could extapolate that all the loadings exceed 1300ft/sec.

I have a few 165gr loaded with 10.0gr New Starline CCI300 @1.255(Alliant Max Load) and 155gr XTP @10.2 PP same specs. With the results I have observed at max loads with PP I anticipate that there should be no pressure issues with these loadings either.

I will post results the next time I can get to the range to check velocities.

texas 48
04-18-2010, 09:41
I see that in the new speer manual at 1315 with cci300's thats awsome you got 1365 with cci350's. I got two lbs of power pistol and I hear good things! these are the loads im looking for.... 165 grain-180 grain that exceed 1300 fps. thx everyone.
I can say that I have used 9.7gr PowerPistol for 165 gr MG JHP new Starline Cases CCI300 1.257 chrono avg was 1270ft/sec.
Have not put 135gr Noslers @10.6gr (Alliant Max) PP and 150gr Noslers @10.3gr PP across the chrono but with Glock 4.6 and 6 inch barrel out of my G20 and 20sf with no serious pressure signs. I could extapolate that all the loadings exceed 1300ft/sec.

I have a few 165gr loaded with 10.0gr New Starline CCI300 @1.255(Alliant Max Load) and 155gr XTP @10.2 PP same specs. With the results I have observed at max loads with PP I anticipate that there should be no pressure issues with these loadings either.

I will post results the next time I can get to the range to check velocities.