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frogger42
02-21-2010, 03:44
I plan to save up my money this year so that I can buy a 1911 next year during the 100 year anniversary. Here are the criteria I'm looking for...

1. Street price very close to $1000.
2. Forged, steel frame and slide (prefer stainless, but not a deal breaker).
3. 5" Gov't model.
4. Forward cocking serrations.
5. No MIM parts, or at least minimal MIM parts.
6. Standard, GI guide rod. I hate full length guide rods on a 1911.
7. Good sights, or at least a slide cut to make installing good sights easy.
8. Series 70 trigger system.

I plan for this gun would be range fun and IDPA. I want something with all the standard upgrades (like the Springfield Loaded, but too much MIM for that one to make my list). I also plan to eventually send this off to a good gunsmith to make it a nice, custom gun but I'd like it pretty good out of the box since it could be several years before I can afford a gunsmith to work his magic.

My first thought was a Dan Wesson RZ-45 Heritage, but I can't find any documentation on if the frame is cast or forged and if the guide rod is full length or not. I know it lacks the forward cocking serrations, but I could live without that if I could get everything else.

What do you guys suggest? Can anyone tell me if the RZ-45 meets my list other than the FLGR?

itsgottabeapit
02-21-2010, 04:35
If you really plan on sending it off to gunsmith in the future to make a nice custom gun I'd suggest buying a used 70 series Colt from gunbroker or local for around $800. Or a nice Springfield. You might be able to find a commeritive or collector gun with some stuff etched in the slide cheaper ($500 or so). Then the custom smith in the future could remove all of the unwanted design.

but if you're not too sure that you'll be sending it in to get customized I'd look at some of the semi custom 1911s
I personally wouldn't want Dan Wesson, Kimber, STI or anything like that etched in the side of a custom by someone else. Just my opinion though.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 05:01
$1000 is going to be a stretch for a 1911 with the options you want.

Dan Wesson or Fusion is the way to go, but will still be over $1000.

All Dan Wesson frames and slides are supposed to be forged in 2010. Except for the Valor, the older models have cast frames.

Prices will be higher as well and certainly over $1000.

I think you need to save up another grand or so and get a nice semi custom.

itsgottabeapit
02-21-2010, 05:17
$1000 is going to be a stretch for a 1911 with the options you want.

Dan Wesson or Fusion is the way to go, but will still be over $1000.

All Dan Wesson frames and slides are supposed to be forged in 2010. Except for the Valor, the older models have cast frames.

Prices will be higher as well and certainly over $1000.

I think you need to save up another grand or so and get a nice semi custom.

What about a Kimber Bac? I think they're great for getting into the 1911 world too. And you can get them in your price range. But I just wouldn't want to send one off to get customized.

Wade-19
02-21-2010, 05:36
The 2010 DW RZ-45 fits all your criteria except price and FCS . Forged frame and slide, GI guide rod, no MIM parts . You can get them for around $1150.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 05:42
What about a Kimber Bac? I think they're great for getting into the 1911 world too. And you can get them in your price range. But I just wouldn't want to send one off to get customized.

I have no problem with Kimber. Mine have been great.

However, they don't meet his criteria of no MIM, series 70, forged frame, or no front serrations.

ajgranda
02-21-2010, 05:55
Maybe STI?

itsgottabeapit
02-21-2010, 05:55
I have no problem with Kimber. Mine have been great.

However, they don't meet his criteria of no MIM, series 70, forged frame, or no front serrations.

I read about the MIM with Kimber somewhere, I really don't know what parts are MIM but I had a slide lock break on a Series I. So I assume it was probably MIM.

Wouldn't a Kimber Series I be the same as a 70 series? Just trying to learn.

I have a Kimber Stainless Covert without front serrations, but it's not a government model....oh well I tried.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 06:05
Maybe STI?

The STI Trojan is my favorite $1000-$1100 1911.

Unfortunately, its not free of MIM and certainly has those big ugly serrations. :)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5629/0001690ud9.jpg


Still, its the best shooting 1911 in its price range, in my opinion.

itsgottabeapit
02-21-2010, 06:12
The STI Trojan is my favorite $1000-$1100 1911.

Unfortunately, its not free of MIM and certainly has those big ugly serrations. :)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5629/0001690ud9.jpg


Still, its the best shooting 1911 in its price range, in my opinion.

And you get the state of Texas on the slide at no additional charge! :supergrin:

11bdad
02-21-2010, 07:48
Used Kimber Warrior maybe?

blhar15
02-21-2010, 07:53
I would go with a Kimber or a Colt

bac1023
02-21-2010, 08:29
Used Kimber Warrior maybe?

I would go with a Kimber or a Colt

They don't meet the OP's criteria.

Rinspeed
02-21-2010, 08:47
If you want no MIM you going to have to pony up more than a grand.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 08:58
If you want no MIM you going to have to pony up more than a grand.

Well, not exactly. :embarassed:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2287.jpg

frogger42
02-21-2010, 15:17
The STI Trojan is my favorite $1000-$1100 1911.

Unfortunately, its not free of MIM and certainly has those big ugly serrations. :)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5629/0001690ud9.jpg


Still, its the best shooting 1911 in its price range, in my opinion.

Bac,
Thanks for the great replies, but I think you mis-read my original post. I DO want the forward cocking serrations. I like the STI Trojan a lot and it is one I'm considering. I wish they still made it in stainless. I does have the FLGR, but that is an easy fix. I'm ok with a little MIM, but for around $1000 I don't want nothing but MIM so Kimber is definitely off my list.

Right now, I'm considering just getting a Springfield Stainless Mil-Spec and then having someone like Bruce Gray go to town on it once I save up some more money.

G36_Me
02-21-2010, 15:40
I saw some Colt Gold Cups at the gun show today in your price range. If I had a grand, that's what I'd get right now. It doesn't have those front useless 'things' you want. My hand never gets that close to the business end of the gun.

Let us know what you decide.

this is a picture of one that has already been sold by Cabelas.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/lwdad/1448804_coltgc_1m_fw.jpg

walkin' trails
02-21-2010, 15:56
I was having a discussion with a guy who is an STI fan the other day and he said there were no MIM parts in the STIs. I honestly don't know, but I fired the little Escort that he had recently acquired and was impressed. That thing in .45ACP beat my hand less than my G27 does. For the money, the S&W 1911s are pretty nice, but I don't know how much MIM they use.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 16:00
Bac,
Thanks for the great replies, but I think you mis-read my original post. I DO want the forward cocking serrations. I like the STI Trojan a lot and it is one I'm considering. I wish they still made it in stainless. I does have the FLGR, but that is an easy fix. I'm ok with a little MIM, but for around $1000 I don't want nothing but MIM so Kimber is definitely off my list.

Right now, I'm considering just getting a Springfield Stainless Mil-Spec and then having someone like Bruce Gray go to town on it once I save up some more money.

Thanks.

I did misread your post. The Trojan is my suggestion. Mine has the hard chrome option and isn't stainless.

Dan Wesson would be fine as well.

bac1023
02-21-2010, 16:02
I was having a discussion with a guy who is an STI fan the other day and he said there were no MIM parts in the STIs.

Not true.

STI has 1911s in all price ranges and even the most expensive have a small amount of MIM, I believe.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1757.jpg

Angry Fist
02-21-2010, 16:04
I would love to have that DW CBOB in 10mm...:whistling:

PlasticGuy
02-21-2010, 16:41
What you want is not available from any factory in your price range. You have two choices:

1) Buy a nice 1911 that has the frame, slide, and barrel you want (used Series I Kimber, Series 70 Colt, or a Springfield would be my top choices), and then pay to have it gutted of cast and MIM parts by a competent gunsmith. This might be possible for under $1000.

2) Save up another $500 or so and buy a used Les Baer or equivalent.

I've got both, and my suggestion is to wait and buy a used Baer. While I really like my Kimbers and my Springfield, you cannot tweak and tune a production gun enough to make it the equivalent of a Baer. Or if you did, it would wind up costing more in the long run.

willis68
02-21-2010, 17:26
My suggestion would be to save another $800.00 and buy a New Les Baer TRS, I am on my second and it is an excellent 1911 for the money

bac1023
02-21-2010, 19:30
My suggestion would be to save another $800.00 and buy a New Les Baer TRS, I am on my second and it is an excellent 1911 for the money

I'd like to have a TRS myself, actually. :)

willis68
02-21-2010, 20:17
I'd like to have a TRS myself, actually. :)

I am surprised that you do not own one, you would appreciate them I am sure of that. If I were you I would order a pair with consecutive serial numbers, that would be really cool and If I had it to so over that is what I would do :cool:

bac1023
02-21-2010, 20:24
I am surprised that you do not own one, you would appreciate them I am sure of that. If I were you I would order a pair with consecutive serial numbers, that would be really cool and If I had it to so over that is what I would do :cool:

Yeah, but I do have two Baers already. There are so many high end custom and semi custom guns to choose from. :)