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Alliance50
02-21-2010, 12:27
hey

I would like some opinions on the Kimber Eclipse customII , Stainless target II and the colt Delta Elite.

Are they good and which one would be in your opinion the best for my first 10mm 1911? And why?:supergrin:
Thanks

Hawker Man
02-21-2010, 12:34
A 10mm is a powerful round, why would someone chamber it in a target gun?
I understand a 9mm or a .45 but why a 10mm?
Just food for thought.
Tom

Alliance50
02-21-2010, 12:42
A 10mm is a powerful round, why would someone chamber it in a target gun?
I understand a 9mm or a .45 but why a 10mm?
Just food for thought.
Tom

Well I do have a tendency to agree but they are fun to shoot and the long distance accuracy is really fun with a 10mm.
I will on the other hand be using the 1911 10mm I get for carry once it proves it self reliable.
I think 10mm makes a great carry weapon and target gun like I said fun to shoot 150 200 yrds and hit the target with a hand gun!
I carry a g20 now but I just really like 1911's.:wavey:

glock2740
02-21-2010, 12:49
I have the Stainless Target II in 9mm and really want to get one in 10mm also. Great gun.

dakrat
02-21-2010, 13:08
hey

I would like some opinions on the Kimber Eclipse customII , Stainless target II and the colt Delta Elite.

Are they good and which one would be in your opinion the best for my first 10mm 1911? And why?:supergrin:
Thanks

neither, I have always wanted a 10mm 1911 and was ready to buy a delta elite. everywhere I go, the delta elite always have sloppy slide to frame fit :faint:. I dislike kimber :dunno: although, the 10mm is a hoot to shoot. start reloading if you decided to go with 10mm

TKM
02-21-2010, 13:09
I've got a Delta Gold Cup and a Stainless Target II.

Power and accuracy make a pretty good combination.

Justin1911
02-21-2010, 14:38
I really like the look of the deltas, but for my taste I'd have to put $5-600 more into the gun to start. Mainly getting Novak cuts and new sights, new hammer, grip safety, and extended thumb safety - just to make it a more "modern" design with more up to date features that most Kimbers, springers loaded, etc and already coming standard with. For about the same if not a little less $. That's what has kept me from getting one at this point.

tous
02-21-2010, 17:56
The Kimber Eclispe is a nice pistol.
I have a Delta (older version) and a Wesson PM7-10 amidst more than a few 10mms.
I prefer the Dan Wesson as a 1911-pattern pistol overall and you will never get my 1006 out of my hands. :supergrin:

NB: range 10mm is really just zesty .40 Smith and Wesson. For the true 10mm experience, you need to shoot the 200-grain Norma or the 175-grain Winchester Silvertips. Expensive, but that's why one handloads.

Good luck, amigo. You'll love the mighty 10mm.

drc767
02-21-2010, 18:17
My Wilson Combat Tactical Elite in 10mm......This is a fun pistol to shoot! The 10mm is my favorite handgun caliber. Packs a nice little punch. You really don't experience the fun of a 10mm until you shoot some hot DoubleTap or Buffalo Bore loads...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/wilson10mm006.jpg

glock2740
02-21-2010, 19:56
Yeah, the DT loads are great.

tlen
02-22-2010, 02:06
A 10mm is a powerful round, why would someone chamber it in a target gun?
I understand a 9mm or a .45 but why a 10mm?
Target VS what ? 10mm excels at 50 yards and beyond and is often used as a hunting round where target [aka adjustable] sights are desirable. 9mm and
.45 ACP on the other hand better for short range.

Officer's Match
02-22-2010, 06:59
The Kimber Eclispe is a nice pistol.
I have a Delta (older version) and a Wesson PM7-10 amidst more than a few 10mms.
I prefer the Dan Wesson as a 1911-pattern pistol overall and you will never get my 1006 out of my hands. :supergrin:

NB: range 10mm is really just zesty .40 Smith and Wesson. For the true 10mm experience, you need to shoot the 200-grain Norma or the 175-grain Winchester Silvertips. Expensive, but that's why one handloads.

Good luck, amigo. You'll love the mighty 10mm.

Yes to the Norma, but not so much on the Silvertips. As previous poster said, BB or DT is the way to go if you don't roll your own.

FreeAmerican
02-22-2010, 12:21
Yes to the Norma, but not so much on the Silvertips. As previous poster said, BB or DT is the way to go if you don't roll your own.

The Win site says the 175 ST is running 1290 fps. That issome of the better off the shelf 10mm. Some of the others like Federal and Remingtion are not a lot over 40 S&W.

drc767
02-22-2010, 13:06
The Win site says the 175 ST is running 1290 fps. That issome of the better off the shelf 10mm. Some of the others like Federal and Remingtion are not a lot over 40 S&W.

Those numbers Winchester puts out are not even close to what I have chrono'd that load at. In real life, that round chronos at 1,160-1,190 fps......not even close to the full house DoubleTap or Buffalo Bore loads.

FreeAmerican
02-22-2010, 13:45
neither, I have always wanted a 10mm 1911 and was ready to buy a delta elite. everywhere I go, the delta elite always have sloppy slide to frame fit :faint:. I dislike kimber :dunno: although, the 10mm is a hoot to shoot. start reloading if you decided to go with 10mm

And? Slide to frame fit has little to nothing to do with accuracy. My Delta has a little slop but not a rattle trap. Its all in the barrel fit.

I am very pleased with my Delta. This is my third 10mm and I am very sold on the round. My 610 revolver and the Delta are very accurate. I also have a Smith 1076 that I like but just don't shoot as often as the other two.

Handloading really opens up the 10mm experience. Others have spoken to the top end potential of the 10mm but the other nice thing is the bottom end. You can load up target loads or even self defense loads that are above 40 S&W but still easy shooting. Think about it, the 180 gr S&W is already a proven defense round. A Platform that ranges from a proven defense rounds like the 40 to well above 357 mag and ventures close to 41 mag, is a very versatile weapon.

First mag, out of the box, fee hand about 13 yards. The low left was the very first round..
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC000762.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC000812.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC00078.JPG

SDGlock23
02-22-2010, 14:18
I had a Kimber Eclipse 10mm. It was pretty but really I didn't much care for it, I never could get it to group very well...at least not as well as the Kimber .45's I've owned. I won't bash the 10mm, but I'm gonna get out of it altogether. I'm not saying the 1911 is a bad platform for the 10mm, but make my 1911 a .45 any day.

remat
02-27-2010, 23:47
For me the 10mm just shoots straighter than a 45.
I have been very pleased with my new Delta Elite. My EDC and backup are 40S&W so it is nice to shoot and load the same ammo.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2705/4371297115_0cb179eac4.jpg

steve4102
02-28-2010, 03:01
I like my DW 10MM CBOB. Feels great and shoots even better, to bad they are discontinued in 2010, cept Kalifornia.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/cbob.jpg

25 yards.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/0a09df22.jpg

Angry Fist
02-28-2010, 03:53
Yeah, the DT loads are great.

Yesterday... My G20 w/ DT 135 put the spotlight on me :cool: AND I got to shoot a stranger's STI Trojan... no more words... (except where's yer 10mm barrel?) I didn't dare insult him...sweet heater!

cdunn
02-28-2010, 05:24
I once owned a kimber and won't do that to myself again.
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/DSCN8447-1.jpg

1006
02-28-2010, 20:22
I have a Delta and I like it. But, I had the gun rebuilt from the ground up. It was an older one and the barrel fit was terrible. It always ran; It just wasn't accurate.

If I were getting a new 10mm, I would go with the Kimber; it comes with a ramped barrel. The ramped barrel isn't needed for the 10mm, but the frame lends itself well to adding a 40S&W conversion with a ramped more fully supported barrel.

Regarding the power of a 10mm, I agree with most of the previous thoughts. However, I believe the 10mm doesn't come anywhere close to what a 41 mag can do. Corbon's hunting line of ammo lists its velosity for the 10mm and 357 200 grainers within 25fps of each other.

Angry Fist
02-28-2010, 21:22
I have a Delta and I like it. But, I had the gun rebuilt from the ground up. It was an older one and the barrel fit was terrible. It always ran; It just wasn't accurate.

If I were getting a new 10mm, I would go with the Kimber; it comes with a ramped barrel. The ramped barrel isn't needed for the 10mm, but the frame lends itself well to adding a 40S&W conversion with a ramped more fully supported barrel.

Regarding the power of a 10mm, I agree with most of the previous thoughts. However, I believe the 10mm doesn't come anywhere close to what a 41 mag can do. Corbon's hunting line of ammo lists its velosity for the 10mm and 357 200 grainers within 25fps of each other.

I tell people that 10mm is like a hot .357 Magnum.

agtman
03-02-2010, 14:14
A 10mm is a powerful round, why would someone chamber it in a target gun?
I understand a 9mm or a .45 but why a 10mm?
Just food for thought.
Tom

Because the 10mm AUTO is also an inherently super-accurate round, aside from having a power level that spans a HUGE curve from mild to nuclear.

It's certainly no accuracy slouch when compared with the 9mm or .45acp. (For mediocre accuracy, there's the .40S&W. :whistling:).

More to the point, users find that the 10mm exhibits an astonishing degree of accuracy with virtually every bullet-weight & energy-level combination, and the number of such possible combinations for bullseyes, target work or other competitive events is ... :dunno:

... somewhere near infinity. :faint:

Custom Delta ...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/10mm-1.jpg

:cool:

2006HighSierra
03-03-2010, 09:23
out of curiosity, what would it take to convert a Springer milspec to 10mm? or would it be a no go?

Rimcrew
03-03-2010, 11:01
You mentioned you would carry it eventually; in that case find a DW CBOB in 10mm. It's a great carry piece!

They have been discontinued this year, but can be found NIB if one looks hard enough...

tous
03-03-2010, 15:20
out of curiosity, what would it take to convert a Springer milspec to 10mm? or would it be a no go?

Fit a new slide with a (non-ramped) 10mm barrel.
Change the ejector.
Buy some 10mm magazines.
Buy some 10mm cartridges.

Probably less fuss to just buy a 10mm 1911-style pistol and have one of each.

1006
03-03-2010, 18:57
possible feed ramp recut as well -- to convert 45 to 10.

the 10mm uses the same ramp as a 38 super. I'd just go with the ramped barrel.

anyplainjoe
03-03-2010, 20:30
What does it cost and is required to convert a 10mm to a 40 s&w?

tous
03-03-2010, 20:44
possible feed ramp recut as well -- to convert 45 to 10.

the 10mm uses the same ramp as a 38 super. I'd just go with the ramped barrel.

I find that ramped and non-ramped 10mm 1911s (PM7-10 vs Eclipse) work about the same.
Non-ramped are more magazine sensitive.

I say again, the cost associated with the conversion will just about pay for a production 10mm and you end up with two servicable pistols, not one and a pile of parts you can no longer use.

the iceman
03-03-2010, 23:05
I like my DW 10MM CBOB. Feels great and shoots even better, to bad they are discontinued in 2010, cept Kalifornia.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/cbob.jpg

25 yards.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/0a09df22.jpg

I believe DW discontinued the 10mm across the board and the only CBOB's that are going to California are .45's.

I could be wrong though.

bigiron1
03-03-2010, 23:17
What does it cost and is required to convert a 10mm to a 40 s&w?


depending on the handgun, sometimes just a barrell and mag. Heck, I knew a guy who ran .40 out of his G20 without doing a thing(not reccomended)

anyplainjoe
03-03-2010, 23:41
depending on the handgun, sometimes just a barrell and mag. Heck, I knew a guy who ran .40 out of his G20 without doing a thing(not reccomended)

40 from a g20 - that's a darwin award waiting to happen.

AK_Stick
03-04-2010, 00:33
I love both of my Dan Wessons,

the Cbob is a dream to carry, and the 5 inch Pointman makes for a great woods gun when I'm not packing the 44.

ArmoryDoc
03-04-2010, 20:27
I love my new edition COLT Delta Elite. HIGHLY accurate and very manageable with Double Tap. The slide to frame fit is loose enough to allow reliable function but not so loose it compromises any accuracy. Like said, accuracy comes from slide to barrel fit.

http://www.kscch.com/DeltaElite2.jpg

Beware Owner
03-05-2010, 08:40
What is the mag capacity with these 10mm 1911's?

ArmoryDoc
03-05-2010, 08:43
I've got nine.

the iceman
03-05-2010, 10:03
I love my new edition COLT Delta Elite. HIGHLY accurate and very manageable with Double Tap. The slide to frame fit is loose enough to allow reliable function but not so loose it compromises any accuracy. Like said, accuracy comes from slide to barrel fit.


I agree! Delta's are a hoot to shoot! :supergrin:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h199/iceman7840/ColtDeltaElite.jpg

Match10
03-06-2010, 13:45
I have been shooting and reloading the 10 mm for over twenty years. This is my Colt Delta Elite Match Ten that was featured on the cover of Handloader Magazine way back when... It is afine handgun.

http://www.mboxcommunity.com/Mark/HandloaderMagApril1990.jpg

remat
03-07-2010, 14:52
Uh...did you guys look at the picture in post 17?
That is my Delta Elite with 40S&W and 10mm barrels....

So, no a ramped barrel and frame is not necessary. Cost was about $150 and consists of a fitted 40 barrel, GI recoil plug, and standard 18# spring. Stock mags.

anyplainjoe
03-07-2010, 15:18
can you recommend a good company for the barrel + fitting? it uses the 10mm mag?

remat
03-07-2010, 15:27
can you recommend a good company for the barrel + fitting? it uses the 10mm mag?

PM inbound

For fun here is a closeup:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2771/4372046414_26cbc4f80f.jpg

ArmoryDoc
03-08-2010, 00:02
Uh...did you guys look at the picture in post 17?
That is my Delta Elite with 40S&W and 10mm barrels....

So, no a ramped barrel and frame is not necessary. Cost was about $150 and consists of a fitted 40 barrel, GI recoil plug, and standard 18# spring. Stock mags.

That's neat. I'd be interested in a conversion like that. Did you keep the 10mm mags or go with different mags ? Who did your fitting ?

the iceman
03-08-2010, 00:25
I am very interested in learning more as well!

remat
03-08-2010, 18:21
NP,
It's a Kahr/AO barrel from Numrich. It's a really nice barrel. 416 SS with an edged muzle and very nice crown. Was about $90.

I had it fit locally but for those inclined my smith said it was very easy and required little fitting. It sat around for about 3 months waiting for me to get to it, so I just had it done. Actually locks up tighter than stock.

I have only shot FMJ but it works fine with the stock 8 rounders. Haven't tried any 9rdrs yet or HP's. Needs to stop raining out here.

1006
03-08-2010, 21:13
I will add to REMAT's experience:

I have a Delta with a forty conversion. Mine has a Bar Sto 40 barrel.
It would not run 100% with the 10mm mags. It would run maybe 95%, and the malfunction was usually a nose dive into the feed ramp. I bought some Mec-Gar 40 mags and it has been 100% ever since.

http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7325&p=51318#p51318

Madmax1010
03-09-2010, 15:31
:wavey:

I have a question about the DE SS, How many rds can you put down range before you ware one out or even tho it's 10mm do they still last a life time and then some?

How often do you need to change the recoil spring same as most 1911 some where around 2 to 3000 rds?

Thanks all

anyplainjoe
03-09-2010, 17:32
It should last a lifetime. The relief cut Colt did (does) eliminated the cracking issues the first models had.

Retired Squid
03-09-2010, 18:13
Colt actually made DE called Elite Ten/Forty that came with 10mm & 40 cal barrels.

My Delta Elite is a 1988 model and tight enough to be accurate, but not so tight to have function problems from a little "dirt" on the rails.

PS; I have 5 ten's and will add a G29 to that by summer if I can.

remat
03-10-2010, 14:09
http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7325&p=51318#p51318

OOoohh! Jealous of your front strap checkering! VERY nice!

remat
03-10-2010, 14:14
:wavey:

I have a question about the DE SS, How many rds can you put down range before you ware one out or even tho it's 10mm do they still last a life time and then some?

How often do you need to change the recoil spring same as most 1911 some where around 2 to 3000 rds?

Thanks all

Agree, should last a lifetime. The round count thing is overdone. I have seen people complain about M&P's because Todd Jarrett had a slide crack (pistol still functioned) at about 65K rounds. I am sure it is because a lot of folks are close to that. LOL.

Another one I see all the time is the HiPower is only reputed to only last 30K. But yet that is good enough to remain in continuous active military service since the 1930's -- Canada is using the SAME ones originally issued and they have been modernized several times since then.

Seriously, don't worry about it. Shoot it, if it ever breaks -- fix it. It certainly can't hurt to replace the spring every 3-4K. Incidentally, I am just now replacing a few little internal parts on a Springfield 1911 that I bought in 1990 and ran most of its years as a 45Super.

Match10
03-10-2010, 18:14
I have put 4,800+ rounds through that Match 10 DE. It shoots full house reloads as well as powderpuff practise loads with equal aplomb. It still has the original springs.

remat
03-13-2010, 20:04
I agree! Delta's are a hoot to shoot! :supergrin:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h199/iceman7840/ColtDeltaElite.jpg

I really like the all black look (including ammo)!

Retired Squid
03-13-2010, 20:19
I prefer my 155 Winchester JHP/ST in the nickle plated brass with CCI primers that clip along about 1450fps myself.