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Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 11:05
I want either a 4 or 4.25" pistol.

I don't want to spend over a G one this first one.

I plan for it to be my primary carry pistol, and I'm going to shoot it A LOT; I want it to last well over 10k.

Leaning towards steel for those reasons, but, must I? Carrying lighter would be a bit nicer, but would it shoot at well as the steel?

The two pistols I'm looking at are the Kimber Pro Carry HD (maybe not, if I don't NEED steel?) and the Para LTC 4.25" SS. I've heard good things and bad things about both from different people I trust. I know it's just brand war BS. I've handled the some Kimbers and really love the way they feel. The safeties have a ver positive action, and snap into position. The backstrap safety on the Para I felt (albeit an LDA) felt mushy and uncertain.

I know BAC hates Kimbers and 4" (non-traditional) 1911s.

So tell me everything you know, especially you BAC!
Thanks.
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hikerpaddler
02-22-2010, 11:11
He also hates the word "Loaded". Base springers are fine, custom springers are fine. A base springer with a gunsmith performing the same mods as a loaded comes with is fine, even if that gunsmith works for Springfield. But a suitable 1911 simply cannot be a production Loaded. Because of the word. Just having fun with you bac. You've pretty much said as much other threads. :)

tous
02-22-2010, 11:41
bac hates Kimbers? :shocked:

Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 11:43
GIs are not steel; shouldn't I be needing a steel framed pistol?
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ilgunguygt
02-22-2010, 12:34
I think BAC will agree with me, get a Taurus PT1911. You get 2000 dollars worth of custom work for 600 bucks! Single best deal from the company with the best Customer Service in the world!

ilgunguygt
02-22-2010, 12:35
^^

Sorry, couldnt help myself. Go with the Springfield over a para. I dont like them or that funky trigger thingy they do.

Tactical black
02-22-2010, 12:41
bac hates Kimbers? :shocked:

For a guy how hates kimber I wonder why he owns 2 or 3 of them and carry's this

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2245-1.jpg

Tactical black
02-22-2010, 12:48
I have the Kimber Tactical Pro II and love it shoots great haven't had a single problem. The problem is now I just want a bunch more 1911's once you start it's hard to stop. now I have 1911 disease:supergrin:

Quack
02-22-2010, 13:53
I know BAC hates Para's and 4" (non-traditional) 1911s.


fixed it for you.

also take a look at the STI Ranger II

Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 13:53
^^ Is that lower receiver steel? I thought most/all CDPs were not. That's the gun that got me started liking 1911s.

Aren't STIs wayy more than the Kimber Pro Carry steel and longer to wait/harder to get? I'd love to have an STI gun.

Okay, tell me about this Taurus thing; I thought a major rule of gun safety was to avoid tauras autos. It's also not a steel gun.

I'm stressing this steel thing a lot, tell me why I shouldn't be.
Cheers.

Quack
02-22-2010, 13:55
GIs are not steel; shouldn't I be needing a steel framed pistol?
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Springfield GI's are forged steel, just like all the other Springfield's

Quack
02-22-2010, 13:56
^^ Is that lower receiver steel? I thought most/all CDPs are. That's the gun that got me started liking 1911s.

yes, it's (STI Ranger II) steel.

Cast not forged

ajgranda
02-22-2010, 13:58
also take a look at the STI Ranger II

:thumbsup:

glock2740
02-22-2010, 14:03
As another poster stated, BAC CC's a Kimber, (aluminum framed), CDP Pro 4". Any of the models in the Kimber Pro, steel or alloy framed, would serve you well and would last alot longer than the 10K limit you've expressed.

Quack
02-22-2010, 14:03
^^ Is that lower receiver steel? I thought most/all CDPs are. That's the gun that got me started liking 1911s.

Aren't STIs wayy more than the Kimber Pro Carry steel and longer to wait/harder to get? I'd love to have an STI gun.

Okay, tell me about this Taurus thing; I thought a major rule of gun safety was to avoid tauras autos. It's also not a steel gun.

I'm stressing this steel thing a lot, tell me why I shouldn't be.
Cheers.



the Pro CDP II is an alloy frame.

Taurus is crappy because it's cheaply made.
Taurus is steel.

Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 14:04
Yeah the Ranger's looking really good right now.

I wonder if my FFL can get them. That might be hard at a price I want.

Ol'Slabsides
02-22-2010, 14:06
Here's what you need:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1477.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1478.jpg

That's a Pro Carry HD II with a bobtail done by EGW in PN. Fine work they did for me...

tous
02-22-2010, 14:07
bac wants to shed himself of them there hated Kimbers, it'll be a chore, but I'll let 'em sit in my safe.

I'll even verbally abuse them one a week. Call 'em MIM or something else insulting.

I do, however, draw the line at pink carpeting.

:supergrin:

Quack
02-22-2010, 14:08
Aren't STIs wayy more than the Kimber Pro Carry steel and longer to wait/harder to get? I'd love to have an STI gun.


nope, it's $999
www.Shootersconnection.com should them in stock right now
http://shootersconnectionstore.com/STI-Ranger-II-45-ACP-In-Stock-P972.aspx


and since you seem to be stressing about the whole "steel" thing, the STI does not have any MIM in the fire control parts.

Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 14:16
Nicely done Ol'Slabsides!
That's exactly what I was thinking, with the bobtail even. Who is it that did the work? My gunsmith is saying he sends them off and it costs a mere $100(?!?)

Quack
02-22-2010, 14:18
if you can find one, a Dan Wesson CBob
i think the local shop still has one for $999

glock2740
02-22-2010, 14:49
Here's what you need:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1477.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1478.jpg

That's a Pro Carry HD II with a bobtail done by EGW in PN. Fine work they did for me...
Looks great!

CanIhaveGasCash
02-22-2010, 14:53
I have a Kimber CDP which has an aluminum frame. She has at least 12k rounds through her and is still going strong. However I would avoid kimber and go with springfield if they had what I was looking for just because their customer service is much better... and you can't beat the springer warranty.

Tactical black
02-22-2010, 15:35
if you can find one, a Dan Wesson CBob
i think the local shop still has one for $999

I agree if you can find one of these this is exactly what your looking for. The STI Ranger not a bad choice either.

bac1023
02-22-2010, 18:13
Hello everyone,

I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that I hated Kimbers, but I've obviously been confused with somebody else. :dunno:

I love all three of mine and even carry the one in the middle. :)

I think the Super Match at the bottom is one of the finest production 1911s around.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2542.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2245-2.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1752.jpg

Tactical black
02-22-2010, 18:56
Hey BAC is your CDP II completely stock?

ambluemax
02-22-2010, 19:06
The steel frames are heavier (duh). Some people consider that a draw back for carry. It doesn't bother me at all to carry a full size steel gun all day (and I have a very physically demanding long hours job). I consider the extra weight of the steel frame to be good weight because it makes the gun feel a lot more confidence inspiring and is a lot more controlable to shoot. Some say the alloy frames won't last as long, but how many other designs are known for high mileage and are made of materials other than steel?

If you really plan on shooting it a lot though, I'd still opt for a steel frame just because they are more shootable and might be a little more likely to last a long time. In your price range the Springfield champion is the best value IMO. A friend has a Kimber Pro Carry II that I've shot a lot...decent gun, but I don't feel the need to own one. My 4.25" gun is a Dan Wesson CBOB, but they are out of your pricerange these days.

tous
02-22-2010, 19:07
bac, that mean you aren't sending them to me for sequestration? :sadangel:

:supergrin:

SouthpawShootr
02-22-2010, 19:11
Okay, tell me about this Taurus thing; I thought a major rule of gun safety was to avoid tauras autos. It's also not a steel gun.

I'm stressing this steel thing a lot, tell me why I shouldn't be.
Cheers.

You're incorrect on the Taurus thing. Generally the PT92, 99, 100, and 101 series guns are pretty damned good to excellent. Just about everything else I would avoid. As far as the PT1911 goes, it's not so bad if you're willing to mess with it. Mine is in pieces right now. I'm upgrading some parts. BUT, it is not what I would consider a value. I bought mine largely to do what I'm doing...........mess with it. I'm going to replace the hammer strut...........wait till you guys see what the factory one looks like. :shocked:

I think aluminum frames are plenty strong enough to withstand 10k rounds of 45ACP. Colt's Lightweight Commander has been very popular for a long time. I'm not sure if there is a published service life for these frames, but I would expect it to be in excess of 20k rounds. If it couldn't stand up to shooting, I don't think it would have been so popular. Of course the light weight of the Al frame makes recoil more noticeable and I have concerns about the finish durability (the only thing that it staying my hand in getting one of those CDP Pros like Bac has). I don't mind the extra weight of all steel, so many times, I have a Colt Officer's ACP (all stainless) with me or a Combat Commander (all steel). Good belt, good holster, I don't really notice it.

bac1023
02-22-2010, 19:51
Hey BAC is your CDP II completely stock?


Yes sir. :)

MacG22
02-22-2010, 20:11
The only "length" that most people have issues with are the Office sized 1911s. 3''. And there's some design geometry to this, if you talk with the best 1911 Smiths out there. But they can have reliability issues.

I had a colt new agent that was perfect. Flawless. But I've shot tons of them over time and they do have more issues than the other models I've shot and worked on.

Other than that, a 1911 will do you better than just about any others. Love 'em.

bac1023
02-22-2010, 20:19
bac, that mean you aren't sending them to me for sequestration? :sadangel:

:supergrin:

:rofl::rofl:

Tactical black
02-22-2010, 20:22
Yes sir. :)

I didn't know if you got rid of your mim barrel:rofl:


but seriously should I change out any parts in my tactical pro II?

bac1023
02-22-2010, 20:28
I didn't know if you got rid of your mim barrel:rofl:


but seriously should I change out any parts in my tactical pro II?

I never had a single issue with my Pro CDP. I believe I have about 1500 rounds through it. Its been perfect from round one.

Disregarded9-side
02-22-2010, 23:25
BAC, how much better will the steel framed Pro Carry vs. alum be in terms of shooting pleasure and durability?
Obviously aluminum is something I should at least consider.

Thanks all, for your input.

bac1023
02-23-2010, 03:58
BAC, how much better will the steel framed Pro Carry vs. alum be in terms of shooting pleasure and durability?
Obviously aluminum is something I should at least consider.

Thanks all, for your input.

I actually much prefer steel for everything but carry.

Honestly, I may start carrying one of my steel commanders at some point. I'm just used to the Kimber.

Disregarded9-side
02-23-2010, 11:19
Thanks for the info. This pistol is going to see a lot of use, so, though I like the weight savings of aluminum, I may stick with steel.

How do we feel about Colt pistols? Mainly the XSE? I've heard Colt's quality was not what it once was (I've also heard it's the world's greatest brand). How positive are the safeties? How do they handle/feel in the hand, quality wise, next to a Kimber? The one I'm looking at is a XSE Lightweight Commander.

hamr56
02-23-2010, 13:41
I have a Kimber Ultra Carry II and I really enjoy that gun. It is a dream to carry and very accurate with the speer gold dots.

bac1023
02-26-2010, 20:24
Thanks for the info. This pistol is going to see a lot of use, so, though I like the weight savings of aluminum, I may stick with steel.

How do we feel about Colt pistols? Mainly the XSE? I've heard Colt's quality was not what it once was (I've also heard it's the world's greatest brand). How positive are the safeties? How do they handle/feel in the hand, quality wise, next to a Kimber? The one I'm looking at is a XSE Lightweight Commander.

I like Colt 1911s, just not a huge XSE fan. I do own one, but I like my Gold Cup and certainly my Special Combat much more.

Cobra64
02-26-2010, 22:19
I want either a 4 or 4.25" pistol.

I don't want to spend over a G one this first one.

I plan for it to be my primary carry pistol, and I'm going to shoot it A LOT; I want it to last well over 10k.

Leaning towards steel for those reasons, but, must I? Carrying lighter would be a bit nicer, but would it shoot at well as the steel?

The two pistols I'm looking at are the Kimber Pro Carry HD (maybe not, if I don't NEED steel?) and the Para LTC 4.25" SS. I've heard good things and bad things about both from different people I trust. I know it's just brand war BS. I've handled the some Kimbers and really love the way they feel. The safeties have a ver positive action, and snap into position. The backstrap safety on the Para I felt (albeit an LDA) felt mushy and uncertain.

I know BAC hates Kimbers and 4" (non-traditional) 1911s.

So tell me everything you know, especially you BAC!
Thanks.
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Huh? Bac carries a Kimber.

Cobra64
02-26-2010, 22:22
Bac has this on his desk at work...



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/PARALEMON.jpg

bac1023
02-27-2010, 23:59
:rofl:

RetailNinja
02-28-2010, 00:27
I like my stainless Springfield Loaded. It's a great gun but I prefer to carry my 5" Baer. I might get rid of this for an MC Operator or Warrior soon though...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j314/turbotension/Picture230.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j314/turbotension/Picture236.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j314/turbotension/Picture240.jpg

Disregarded9-side
02-28-2010, 10:38
Nice. Crossing Para off the list I guess...sucks...they're based in NC now, too.

Always wanted a Kimber and 4" is a good barrel length. Love the way they feel and I heard the least negative things about them as a marque. Luke-warm on SA.
Guess right now it's kinda between the Pro Carry HD and the CDP Pro, or maybe a mere Pro Carry.
Can't decide between steel or aluminum, leaning towards aluminum. Even with that, unloaded it will weigh half a pound more than my current carry Gaston...the half ounce of my HK seems like too much.

...maybe I'm damned to carry a G19 for the rest of my life.

RetailNinja
03-01-2010, 19:35
With a SS2 I hardly notice the 1911 is on.

Tactical black
03-02-2010, 08:13
I find the weight of the gun less of a problem then how thick it is even Glock's seem too blocky to carry for my personal taste I do carry them some times but prefer my 4" 1911

dp509
03-02-2010, 10:25
Bac1023 and others with a 4" 1911.........

What magazines do you use in them :dunno:

Round count and brand............

I have the bug for a 4" 1911 for off duty carry.

I too am looking at the Kimber CDP Pro :supergrin:

I will be selling some handguns to upgrade to the CDP Pro :whistling:

Gdirty5
03-02-2010, 10:35
I have a springfield loaded champion (4 inch) and it's been flawless since day 1. (i know it's a loaded, Bac doesn't like them, but i bought it before I found this board). Honestly I would buy another, and I passed on a Springfield Compact not too long ago (4 inch barrel with a officer's frame) and really regret it.

Also the 4 inch 1911's usually use the same government mags as the 5 inch and up.

Disregarded9-side
03-04-2010, 01:28
Pretty sold on the Kimber Pro Carry. Wouldn't mind handling a SA loaded champ, either.

Can someone tell me (all about) this new safety system on the series II Kimbers I keep hearing about?
Thanks!

RonS
03-05-2010, 12:45
Gonna speak for the little guy here on the magazine issue. My Champion likes the Springfield Armory basic 7 round blue steel magazines that you can get from Midway for the price of lunch for two at McDonalds.

Ol'Slabsides
03-05-2010, 14:09
Nicely done Ol'Slabsides!
That's exactly what I was thinking, with the bobtail even. Who is it that did the work? My gunsmith is saying he sends them off and it costs a mere $100(?!?)

It was EGW (Evolution Gun Works) in Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Their website link:

http://egw-guns.com/

bac1023
03-05-2010, 19:35
It was EGW (Evolution Gun Works) in Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Their website link:

http://egw-guns.com/

I've got a full house custom build from them on the way very soon. :cool:

They do great work and make very high quality parts.

Ol'Slabsides
03-08-2010, 13:40
I was impressed with them on every front. Would love to see some gun porn of your custom when you get it in!