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space_weazel
02-23-2010, 20:19
Those who have used either or both which do you prefer and why?

Specifically Running a x39 AK.

CTfam
02-24-2010, 11:52
Not sure I know the difference. I have a tac force vest w/ cross draw pistol. I think it's great. I saw a nice tac vest on here for sale just the other day.

It had more mag pouches instead of the pistol holster which may be better. The pistol can go on the belt. Haven't decided what I like better yet...

PlasticGuy
02-24-2010, 15:12
I generally use a Tactical Taylor or BlackHawk tac vest when I'm running my AR15's, and a simple BlackHawk chest rig when I'm running my AK's. The closest thing I could give you to a reason is that the beauty of an AK is its simplicity, and I've extended that into my web gear for it also.

Both a good vest and a good chest rig are comfortable, so it really comes down to personal preference and whether you need the extra pockets of a vest to hold your other gear.

Aceman
02-24-2010, 20:24
Cargo pocket

Puppy
02-25-2010, 04:25
I'd say it depends on what your intended use for it would be.

I currently have 3, one Weesatch (plate carrier) & two surplus Chinese chest pouch rigs.

The Weesatch holds 10 AR magazines or 5 AK magazines & is easy to retrieve them in a hurry, making it great for quick combat reloads but it is too bulky for just dorking around at the range with.

The cheap surplus Chinese pouches are decent enough for holding a few spare AK magazines but they are much slower to retrieve the magazines out of when compared to the Weesatch, they are however a lot less heavy & bulky & thus a lot more range friendly.

The cross draw / mag vests are ok I guess, but for me I like to keep my sidearm on my belt, but that's more of a muscle memory / instinctiveness sort of thing, when split seconds count I don't want to instinctively reach for my pistol in an emergency situation only to find it's not there, not really an issue of it's for range use only.

But I suppose if you were to train with it enough that that sort of muscle memory concern wouldn't be that much of an issue in an emergency scenario.

WIG19
02-25-2010, 12:53
BLUF: Chest-rig.

Speaking just to me & my needs. If there were no chest rigs, I still wouldn't run a full-blown vest. (Would go back to modularity of ALICE H configuration.)

I have a Chicom that works for some spares actually 'cause it fits so close to my lanky frame, but I don't do a 210 round loadout. My regular goto chest-rig that's with the gun will accept 4 mags, or you can do 3 and stick something in the 4th, could be a pistol as they're shock-corded with sufficient flaps. But pistol is normally on a separate holster and belt, cross between under-arm and x-draw. Out of the way, but I prefer it on my person if I shuck the rig for whatever reason. The rig is light, quiet, and has enough MOLLE room for other things like a dump pouch, personal BOK, inverted field-knife.

Came with 2 sets of straps allowing a H-harness type hang, or a Chicom Y. Also has plenty of each with it, so adjustable from summer to winter (when wearing heavy layers). Also the straps are light enough that ruck straps on top of them don't get bothersome. Compact enough that the whole thing folds up into the storage area in the rifle bag.

My only complaint nowadays is that there are few designers of such things that understand the difference in mags. Typically they take a 30-round AR design and just scale it up, without accounting for the more proper curve (when getting into 30-rd mags) of an AK. Hence, one is often 'playing' with flaps over AK mags to get them "just right." At least the pouches on my rig have completely removable covers with velcro inside, so one can re-attach them to get the optimum angle over an AK mag.

I like it. :)

goodale
02-25-2010, 15:49
if i didnt just buy an eagle rig i would have went with this one http://www.originalsoegear.com/microrig.html

WIG19
02-26-2010, 06:05
if i didnt just buy an eagle rig i would have went with this one http://www.originalsoegear.com/microrig.htmlNice looking rig as well. Eagle's are good & workmanlike too.

This is mine (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/templartactical-theinsurgentchestrig.aspx); similar price range too. Absent these I'd have gotten an Eagle as well. I like the looks of the one you listed; went with a single mag/pouch approach primarily because when I get Michelin-man clothes on at -15 in the woods I'm already "protruding" and catching branches more than I'd care to. Lots of good kit out there; seems to be more & more folks are addressing the need for a variety of missions.

CTfam
02-28-2010, 12:40
^^^ The Insurgent and the Micro chest rigs look very nice. I'm looking at this eagle one...

http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_AK47_Chest_Rig_6_Mag_p/eag.572.htm

I'm thinking of ditching the cross draw vest for a lighter rig.

Question about these rigs... Are they real tight with AK mags? I'm going to end up running a VZ.58 with these and the mags are a bit wider from what I can tell.

JGguns
02-28-2010, 13:29
CT that eagle rig looks very nice. Does anyone have a pic of it from the back?

CTfam
02-28-2010, 16:02
There are some other pics on the site. Not a good shot of the back though. I was thinking of getting that rig, and sticking a double pistol mag pouch on one side and a roll up dump pouch on the other. VZ.58 mags better fit!

WIG19
03-01-2010, 06:08
Question about these rigs... Are they real tight with AK mags? I'm going to end up running a VZ.58 with these and the mags are a bit wider from what I can tell.The Insurgent's pouches are sufficient for actual AK mags, Bulgarians to COMBLOC ridgebacks. The velcro covers can be positioned at a different angle if you like, and they are shock-corded at the bottom. I always loosen the cords anyway to loadup, then draw each one as tight as needed and the excess actually goes under the flap of the pouch to its right. Looked at some pics of a VZ that Gabe Suarez was using last year while he was conducting some training in CZ. I can see no reason your VZ mags shouldn't fit; don't think they're actually any wider overall than a steel ridgeback.

Quiet
03-01-2010, 08:37
I'm also looking into the Eagle Industries AK chest rigs.
Can't decide which one to get. Currently leaning towards the CR-AK47/6-MS.


CR-AK47/6-MS (khaki or ranger green) $85.80
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/766_Large.jpg

CR-AK47-MS (black, khaki, ranger green, olive drab or ACU) $79.27
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/655_Large-02.jpg

CP-SF-30-AK (black, olive drab or woodland camo) $207.94
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/394_Large.jpg

CTfam
03-01-2010, 11:58
I'm also looking into the Eagle Industries AK chest rigs.
Can't decide which one to get. Currently leaning towards the CR-AK47/6-MS.


CR-AK47/6-MS (khaki or ranger green) $85.80
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/766_Large.jpg

CR-AK47-MS (black, khaki, ranger green, olive drab or ACU) $79.27
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/655_Large-02.jpg

CP-SF-30-AK (black, olive drab or woodland camo) $207.94
http://www.eagleindustries.com/images/P/394_Large.jpg

I agree. That model looks perfect. The second only holds three mags, The last one looks way too bulky for my needs.

The Micro chest rig looks great but I have no idea what I'd use that extra storage pouch for. I'd rather just have the third mag pouch.

triggerjerk
03-01-2010, 12:38
I have the eagle rig that holds 6 mags.
Seems fine for range use or shtf.
However, removal can be cumbersome as each pouch is kinda
tight and the mag flange can snag on parts of the rig when removing it so I'd think for competition you'd want something more like the boar setup . . .

MrMurphy
03-01-2010, 12:56
Chest rig.

I've worn a tac vest on duty and they trap heat badly, and are not exactly modular (some of the newer ones are).

A chest rig i can set up how i like it is my personal choice after having worn both all day, every day for about 3 years.

CTfam
03-16-2010, 20:36
I'm bumping this thread to say no one has the Eagle 6 mag in stock! :steamed:

The Templar Insurgent chest rig looks like a good choice but I'm having trouble finding other reviews on it.

Also, I came across this rig made by 762 tactical. These look very nice for the price and it does everything the eagle can do. Has anyone ever seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9hpXfK2SY&feature=related

WIG19
03-17-2010, 05:32
The Templar Insurgent chest rig looks like a good choice but I'm having trouble finding other reviews on it.
PM sent.
:)

CTfam
03-18-2010, 12:32
Hey WIG19,

I see "sadly missing" (the instructor) is running the Insurgent chest rig in this series of nutnfancy videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2QUcKjP8KI

Also, on the Templar website you linked to... Call me crazy but that IS a VZ.58 in the first couple of pictures. I've been doing my homework. I need to get this purchase right the first time.

space_weazel
03-18-2010, 13:18
Pic 2 yes VZ pic 4 no AK

The thing is made for an AK
But I am waiting for these to be released, but If you need the top covers then go with the TT

http://sgcusa.com/Field-Gear/c108/p4031/US-PALM-AKAR-AK-Attack-Rack/product_info.html

WIG19
03-19-2010, 05:38
Hey WIG19,

I see "sadly missing" (the instructor) is running the Insurgent chest rig in this series of nutnfancy videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2QUcKjP8KI

Also, on the Templar website you linked to... Call me crazy but that IS a VZ.58 in the first couple of pictures. I've been doing my homework. I need to get this purchase right the first time.Believe space_weazel got it right; Gabe was probably playing with the VZ 'cause he was shortly headed to Slovakia to do some training. Other gun pic is one of his goto AKs. VZ58, think overall dimensions of a COMBLOC ridgeback mag; they fit.

The to-be released rig from US Palm, probably the first US company to actually make a worth-having AK mag, looks pretty good. But on the subject of flaps, to each his own. My personal experience is that flaps are good when one is really out in the weeds, snow, mud, blood & the beer so to speak. In a training or completely urban situation maybe it doesn't matter but I was looking for an all-around rig for most of my uses. YMMV.

Similarly I've found through trying various things that I prefer the off-rig pistol in some type of holster with enough flap to protect the gun as well. It may not be as 'fast' doing weapon transition exercises from a training DVD but it's better in the 'defense-in-depth' role and protects the gun much better. Once decided upon & integrated to the rig, the particular method - whatever works for you - can be drilled and becomes part of you. I use an under-arm sorta rig cobbled together that rides kinda like my Dad's 1911 did posing in front of his B-29, GP straps substituted for leather. In my neck of the woods things like tacticool kydex drop-thigh rigs are simply in the way & tangle up. All that is a whole 'nuther rabbit hole to go down. Some folks I know whose judgement works well for them still have the pistol on the rig and simply stuff it in the belt when shedding the load to be sociable. Again, whatever works that you have proven.

:)

Edited: I'm not connected with these folks, just use some of their stuff and their customer service is top-drawer. If one is still concerned about VZ58 mag dimensions, by all means CALL the office at OST and ask them. You will probably get some very nice lady who's knowledgeable or she'll snag one of the gents who actually uses the stuff and they'll answer your question about that issue once & for all.
Telephone: 928-776-4492 (they're on AZ time)

2nd edit: Regardless of your choice, you're not likely to be happy with any rig you get until you've messed with it, loaded it up the way you want, and made it your own. (See MrMurphy's sage comment above.)
;)

762Tactical
03-19-2010, 11:49
I'm bumping this thread to say no one has the Eagle 6 mag in stock! :steamed:

The Templar Insurgent chest rig looks like a good choice but I'm having trouble finding other reviews on it.

Also, I came across this rig made by 762 tactical. These look very nice for the price and it does everything the eagle can do. Has anyone ever seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9hpXfK2SY&feature=related

Hey, just thought I'd jump in here. I'm the guy who makes the ChiCom in the youtube video. I also make a couple other rigs for the AK. Check out the Kalashnikov Gun Fighter Rig on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110500889868&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

And my Operator chest rig will hold up to 8 AK mags http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110509160456

CTfam
03-19-2010, 17:56
Thanks for all the info WIG. I've made up my mind. I'll let you know when I have my hands on it. :cheers:

andyffer
03-19-2010, 22:32
http://sgcusa.com/p4031/US-PALM-AKAR-AK-Attack-Rack/product_info.html

CTfam
03-22-2010, 08:27
Hey, just thought I'd jump in here. I'm the guy who makes the ChiCom in the youtube video. I also make a couple other rigs for the AK. Check out the Kalashnikov Gun Fighter Rig on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110500889868&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

And my Operator chest rig will hold up to 8 AK mags http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110509160456

Hey sorry I missed your post last time I checked... Must have been half asleep. :yawn:

Thanks for the response. Your rigs look very nice and I may pick up one of the chicom style rigs. :wavey:

Jack Greenwell
03-31-2010, 17:47
I'm bumping this thread to say no one has the Eagle 6 mag in stock! :steamed:

The Templar Insurgent chest rig looks like a good choice but I'm having trouble finding other reviews on it.

Also, I came across this rig made by 762 tactical. These look very nice for the price and it does everything the eagle can do. Has anyone ever seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9hpXfK2SY&feature=related

I just got my 762tactical custom gunfighter rig in today and it rocks:rock:. Worth the money and the wait was less that what a eagle rig would be. I got mine in around a week. Colin if you read this, great work, I will look to you in the future for other custom rigs thanks.

Quiet
04-04-2010, 08:56
Since, Eagle is backordered on their AK vests, I've started to check out the Tactical Tailor stuff.

Currently considering...

Tactical Tailor AK Chest Rig (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/akchestrig.aspx)
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/images/products/display/AK_chestrig_350.jpg

Tactical Tailor MAV-2 (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/mavvestbody2piece.aspx) with Tactical Tailor X-Harness (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/xharness.aspx), then added pouches as I go.

Ideally, what I really want is...
the BCM-03 (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-03-Modular-Split-Front-Chest-Harness-03-MSF-p/03%20msf1%20mulitcam.htm) set up for AK magazines.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/dpp_0013copy.jpg
But, since they don't make it for AK mags, I leaning more towards the TT MAV-2 with X-Harness and AK mag pouches.

Current, big decision is to figure out what color.
I was raised on the ALICE system (OD gear) and woodland BDUs, 6-pattern desert BDUs & 3-pattern desert BDUs. MOLLE was just starting to be introduced, went I got out.
I like the current MOLLE system, it's lighter and easier to mod than the old ALICE stuff.
Not sure about ACU and noticed that the US Army is now going towards Multi-Cam, as a replacement for ACU.
So, not sure if I should stick with OD green or go with ACU or Multi-Cam.

CTfam
04-04-2010, 13:15
^ What type of AK pouches would you run on a TT MAV-2? I'm not liking the looks of the TT AK mag pouches.

Quiet
04-05-2010, 18:18
^ What type of AK pouches would you run on a TT MAV-2? I'm not liking the looks of the TT AK mag pouches.

I'm thinking about using the High Speed Gear Inc UMMP pouches. (http://www.hsgi.us/search.asp)

HSGI single UMMP
http://www.hsgi.us/vsadmin/imageupload/uploads/UMMPS4w.jpg

HSGI double UMMP
http://www.hsgi.us/prodimages/UMMPD1-Lw.jpg

CTfam
04-07-2010, 16:47
The TT MAV w/ X harness looks like a great combo but I'm not into mag pouches with buckles...I'd have to keep searching. That BCM looks like the perfect rig if it was set up for AK mags. I'm currently thinking about how I can add hydration to my rig.

Loving my Templar Insurgents chest rig so far. Everytime I buy a rig I see a better one I want! I'm on my third so far.