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ExxoticOne
02-25-2010, 18:39
for the times I can't have my G36 along. I wanted something "feminine" but still lethal (meaning I can get to the femoral artery of any potential attacker).

Have a made a good choice or are there "better" options? :headscratch:

sdsnet
02-25-2010, 18:46
Very nice, and effective.

Also see the Byrd line of Spyderco knives. I have the Cara Cara which is another quality built knife for not much dough. I think I paid right around $35.

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=168

ExxoticOne
02-25-2010, 18:54
Very nice, and effective.

Also see the Byrd line of Spyderco knives.

Thanks, just bought the Byrd "Robin" because I figured I should have a "combo edged" knife in my collection. $20 well spent!

GreyEclipse
02-25-2010, 20:11
Keep the knife on you even if you have the gun.

Just in case the gun doesn't stop the threat. =)

LilWolfess
02-25-2010, 20:22
for the times I can't have my G36 along. I wanted something "feminine" but still lethal (meaning I can get to the femoral artery of any potential attacker).

Have a made a good choice or are there "better" options? :headscratch:

That is a classy little piece right there! Although, I am not stoked about the woodtick engraved on the pocket clip. I am not one for pink and girly, but occasionally I do appreciate the prettier things in life

Bilbo Bagins
02-26-2010, 21:23
I'm assuming that is a spyderco dragonfly. Don't get me wrong its a quality knife and great for carrying around but its not a real good knife for fighting.

The blade on the dragonfly is TINY at only 1 7/8" and the MSRP on that model is $99 :shocked:

I would go with a slightly larger blade (3") in the spyderco line like the Delica, or check out the Kershaw Leek. Here are two "girly" options

http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Kershaw-1660PINK-rw-8823-5407.jpg

http://premiumknives.com/knifefiles/Kershaw_Shun_Knife/Kershaw_Knives_K1660VIB.jpg

ExxoticOne
02-26-2010, 22:18
Keep the knife on you even if you have the gun.

Just in case the gun doesn't stop the threat. =)

Good point - I got the knife because there are some places that I can't take my G36.

ExxoticOne
02-26-2010, 22:21
I'm assuming that is a spyderco dragonfly. Don't get me wrong its a quality knife and great for carrying around but its not a real good knife for fighting.

The blade on the dragonfly is TINY at only 1 7/8" and the MSRP on that model is $99 :shocked:

I would go with a slightly larger blade (3") in the spyderco line like the Delica, or check out the Kershaw Leek. Here are two "girly" options

It's a Spyderco Dragonfly...paid $50 new-in-box. I see your point (no pun intended) about getting a longer blade and now...

I have to buy...

one more knife.

ExxoticOne
02-26-2010, 22:23
That is a classy little piece right there! Although, I am not stoked about the woodtick engraved on the pocket clip. I am not one for pink and girly, but occasionally I do appreciate the prettier things in life

I wanted a girly knife....something that didn't scream B-U-T-C-H. :rofl:

PATRICE
02-27-2010, 06:38
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mitchshrader
02-27-2010, 06:44
CRKT Bear Claw, Spyderco Civilian, Emerson La Griffe, HAK, Kershaw TDI, most anybody's push dagger (even cheapies if sharp) .....

when SD is the issue, get a dedicated design. It's only your life that's at stake.

and then get professional training. non-optional.

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 07:59
Interesting thread, enough so that I'm breaking my resolution not to post in this sub-forum.

I didn't want to have to deploy a folding knife.--Patrice:shoe:

I'm glad you posted here because I get to learn something.

The little dragonfly knife I got is for me to carry/wear in the waistband of my scrubs. I like the idea of having something sheathed and that doesn't fold...to keep in the car.

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 08:03
and then get professional training. non-optional.

Agreed. Right now, I'm looking at self-defense with a knife from a purely anatomical standpoint. (For example, I know what to do with a scalpel.)
I need to get some training.

mitchshrader
02-27-2010, 09:20
those 'claw with a hole in it' knives are bluidy hard to get loose from quick enough. if you reach for somebody, they're hurtin.

Brain Virus
02-27-2010, 15:29
or check out the Kershaw Leek. Here are two "girly" options

http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Kershaw-1660PINK-rw-8823-5407.jpg

http://premiumknives.com/knifefiles/Kershaw_Shun_Knife/Kershaw_Knives_K1660VIB.jpg


I would NOT recommend the kershaw leek in a defensive employment. Its a great knife and one of my 2 current EDC blades, but the modified wharncliffe style blade on this while having a very sharp tip, it is very, very weak. It is not reinforced at all. If you like the general look of the leek, check out a shallot(my other edc) its a bit bigger, and has more weight (not much) but it has a very slim profile perfect for carrying in the wastband. Also, being a frame lock, the chances of lock failure are much lower that a liner lock because your hand helps reinforce the lock.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/50796.jpg
If you are looking for a fixed blade, i would look at cold steels spike series (http://www.coldsteel.com/spikeseries.html)or a rat izula ( can even get it in pink :D) The deep belly on the izula makes it good for EDC tasks, and with a black paracord wrap for the handle, it would look pretty awesome, or vice versa, black blade and pink or a eggplant purple paracord. I am a guy and i am thinking about doing a black izula with the purple wrap :D

http://www.knifeworks.com/images/products/display/izulapkit.jpg

LadyDoc
02-27-2010, 15:43
Agreed. Right now, I'm looking at self-defense with a knife from a purely anatomical standpoint. (For example, I know what to do with a scalpel.)
I need to get some training.

I don't know anything about knives, but I do suggest you get some training. Aiming for the femoral will put a hurtin' on sombody, but it takes entire minutes to bleed out, during which they can still put a hurtin' on YOU. If the goal should be to neutralize the threat, then the femoral isn't going to do it very quickly.

PS. That knife sure is Purty though. :)

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 15:56
Aiming for the femoral will put a hurtin' on sombody, but it takes entire minutes to bleed out, during which they can still put a hurtin' on YOU. If the goal should be to neutralize the threat, then the femoral isn't going to do it very quickly.

PS. That knife sure is Purty though. :)

My thought was that my attacker would be so freaked out by the blood loss they'd settle down. Realizing I can't foresee how an attacker will act I need to decide up front exactly how much damage I can/should inflict. (Again, I need training).

On a lighter (less serious note) I prefer the femoral artery route as I just don't want to hear all that "gurgling" :rofl:

LadyDoc
02-27-2010, 16:00
On a lighter (less serious note) I prefer the femoral artery route as I just don't want to hear all that "gurgling" :rofl:

HA!! :perfect10:

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 16:03
The deep belly on the izula makes it good for EDC tasks, and with a black paracord wrap for the handle, it would look pretty awesome, or vice versa, black blade and pink or a eggplant purple paracord. I am a guy and i am thinking about doing a black izula with the purple wrap :D

http://www.knifeworks.com/images/products/display/izulapkit.jpg

Thanks for the link and info! This is getting to be a pricey little endeavor. I just ordered a black izula and for some reason, I'm feeling like Bear Grylls.

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 16:04
if you reach for somebody, they're hurtin.

If somebody reaches for me, they're hurtin.

glockman23
02-27-2010, 16:07
I'd say definetly get some training. I'm not a big fan of pulling a knife for self defense, unless you're trained to retain it. Most likely you will be stabbed with your own knife if the attacker is bigger or stronger than you. I'd invest in some good pepper spray and carry that when you can't carry your gun.

LilWolfess
02-27-2010, 16:08
I wanted a girly knife....something that didn't scream B-U-T-C-H. :rofl:

I have a pink streetbike jacket for that very reason :tongueout:

I'm taking suggestions for prettier knives from this thread as well. My current carry piece is a CRKT.

http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/b/u/238/CRM16-01KZ_xlarge_8694_full_238.jpg

Brain Virus
02-27-2010, 16:08
t I need to decide up front exactly how much damage I can/should inflict. (Again, I need training)." :rofl:

a "cheap" and yummy way to find out, is get a hunk of meat, hang it from somewhere, clean your knife, and then go at it. Its an eye opener on how much damage even a small knife can inflict. You can even add jean material or tshirts to it to test the cutting through clothing.(prolly not as sanitary) but after you are done, throw it on the grill or in the oven.

FYI, ham is a good analogue to human flesh

Brain Virus
02-27-2010, 16:11
I have a pink streetbike jacket for that very reason :tongueout:

I'm taking suggestions for prettier knives from this thread as well. My current carry piece is a CRKT.

http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/b/u/238/CRM16-01KZ_xlarge_8694_full_238.jpg

That m16 was an EDC blade that i used. I have it in the british racing green handle. The problem I had with it is the texturing on the pivot screw would eat my hand everytime i put it in my pocket. Also, it seemed to have centering problems. Its a great knife, but i moved onto a leek, then a shallot.

Brain Virus
02-27-2010, 16:15
Thanks for the link and info! This is getting to be a pricey little endeavor. I just ordered a black izula and for some reason, I'm feeling like Bear Grylls.

Did you buy it just now? Congrats!

Yeah, blades can be expensive, but they are beautiful to me :D especialy when you get into custom blades like this one

http://spartanbladesusa.com/cart/nyx-black-w-green-handle-p-41.html

but, i ended up getting a g17 and all my money is going towards ammo :D

ExxoticOne
02-27-2010, 16:16
I'd say definetly get some training. I'm not a big fan of pulling a knife for self defense, unless you're trained to retain it. Most likely you will be stabbed with your own knife if the attacker is bigger or stronger than you. I'd invest in some good pepper spray and carry that when you can't carry your gun.

I had a run in with a meth-head. OC spray did NOTHING (but give me a false sense of security). I'm by no means discounting your advise and appreciate your emphasis on getting training. AFTER I get trained I'll post about it for sure.

23skidoo
02-28-2010, 00:21
If you carry a knife and a gun the knife needs to be accessible by your weak or non gun hand. Same as a flashlight.

ElectricZombie
02-28-2010, 08:36
Great choice. Spyderco makes some of the finest knives on the planet.

Brain Virus
03-01-2010, 15:32
Great choice. Spyderco makes some of the finest knives on the planet.

Spyderco makes amazing knives, but the blades are UGLY. Well thats my opinion. I dont care for the deployment method, the hole in the blade. However, if you dont mind that, spydercos will serve you very well.

mitchshrader
03-01-2010, 16:33
I have 3 copies of the M16-13Z, and carry at least one daily, sometimes two. It's my disposeable 'fast opener', and if I stumble over another one 5$ too cheap, I'll have 4.

Very good blade for its price and job description, I think I've got about 25$ each in 'em. I use them primarily for general utility knives, and the SD aspect is secondary but relevant. The 'disposable' feature is quite important to me, as I don't intend to own it 5 minutes past ever using it for SD.

It's an easy argument to make that a fixed blade is a better weapon than a folder. The Kershaw TDI has decent ergonomics for a SD fixed blade, but if you MUST have a folder, and you're willing to accept NON disposable, the Spyderco Civilian is best of show.

Extremely purpose built. Not cheap, and worth the money.

fnfalman
03-02-2010, 15:36
Get the pink gripped one to support breast cancer...

Brain Virus
03-02-2010, 16:55
Get the pink gripped one to support breast cancer...
she already picked up a black rat izula

... but you can never have too many glocks or too many knives :D

Bilbo Bagins
03-03-2010, 07:08
It's a Spyderco Dragonfly...paid $50 new-in-box. I see your point (no pun intended) about getting a longer blade and now...

I have to buy...

one more knife.

Really you only paid $50 for the engraved dragonfly? Where did you get it?

My daughters are not even teenagers yet and I am already setting aside some "girly" knives and guns so they have something nice to protect themselves when they get older. This thread is awesome.

I like that pink Izula

Brain Virus
03-03-2010, 19:43
ExxoticOne,

I got my OD Rat, pics later tonight....

Have you got yours yet?

Brain Virus
03-04-2010, 00:00
The new OD RAT Izula with the para cord handle I did. The camera makes the OD seem light than it is. I made a lanyard for it with paracord and wire. Since I am going to wear this out in nature, i don't want a solid loop, I don't want to hang if it gets caught on something. I want it to break free

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs467.ash1/25655_10150117277240440_888790439_11374199_427937_n.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs467.ash1/25655_10150117277320440_888790439_11374200_1486324_n.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs467.snc3/25655_10150117277370440_888790439_11374201_8187341_n.jpg
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs467.snc3/25655_10150117277405440_888790439_11374202_4375995_n.jpg
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs467.ash1/25655_10150117277480440_888790439_11374203_6938191_n.jpg

DragonLibra
03-08-2010, 16:23
I don't know anything about knives, but I do suggest you get some training. Aiming for the femoral will put a hurtin' on sombody, but it takes entire minutes to bleed out, during which they can still put a hurtin' on YOU. If the goal should be to neutralize the threat, then the femoral isn't going to do it very quickly.

PS. That knife sure is Purty though. :)

From what I've watched of Mike Janich on Best Defense he advises swiping into the side/front of the thigh and that it will take down an attacker quickly. Idea is not to stand and fight but cut & get the hell out.

isis07734
03-08-2010, 16:50
I'd not use a stainless slick handle. G10 or some kind of rough grip would be better.

Copis
03-08-2010, 19:35
spyderco merlin, harpy, matriarch, civilian are all good tools to access femoral arteries via slashing....

Green_Manelishi
03-09-2010, 10:07
Agreed. Right now, I'm looking at self-defense with a knife from a purely anatomical standpoint. (For example, I know what to do with a scalpel.)
I need to get some training.

Exactly. You also need to be willing to be within contact distance, cut someone, and be bled on.

Brain Virus
03-09-2010, 23:37
Exactly. You also need to be willing to be within contact distance, cut someone, and be bled on.

thats the scary part, the proximity needed to employ a blade.

Green_Manelishi
03-10-2010, 08:04
thats the scary part, the proximity needed to employ a blade.

Righto.

Norske
03-11-2010, 06:27
Exactly. You also need to be willing to be within contact distance, cut someone, and be bled on.

And make sure your hepatitis shots are up to date! :supergrin:

Blitzer
03-11-2010, 07:44
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/Collection1-1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/IMG_0234.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/IMG_0487.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/tigerclaw440c.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/IMG_0012a.jpg

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:52
If you carry a knife and a gun the knife needs to be accessible by your weak or non gun hand. Same as a flashlight.

I think I need more hands :juggle:

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:53
Great choice. Spyderco makes some of the finest knives on the planet.

I am really starting to like knives!

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:55
Spyderco makes amazing knives, but the blades are UGLY. Well thats my opinion. I dont care for the deployment method, the hole in the blade. However, if you dont mind that, spydercos will serve you very well.

I'm going to have to purchase a variety of knives then I can opine on my likes/dislikes.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:57
The 'disposable' feature is quite important to me, as I don't intend to own it 5 minutes past ever using it for SD.


Good point! (pun intended)

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:58
Get the pink gripped one to support breast cancer...

or just because it matches my clutch! :rofl:

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 11:59
Really you only paid $50 for the engraved dragonfly? Where did you get it?



ebay, new-in-box, priority mail shipping included.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:00
ExxoticOne,

I got my OD Rat, pics later tonight....

Have you got yours yet?




I've been out of town. Items where shipped to Florida and I am out West skiiing.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:04
Since I am going to wear this out in nature, i don't want a solid loop, I don't want to hang if it gets caught on something. I want it to break free


Great pics. Nice idea about the break-free thing but with my luck it would detach for some non-emergent reason...
then I'd be mad that I couldn't retrieve my knife!

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:06
spyderco merlin, harpy, matriarch, civilian are all good tools to access femoral arteries via slashing....

And my Swiss Army knife/all purpose tool is good for eye gouging, earlobe removal and nostril pulling :rofl:

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:07
Idea is not to stand and fight but cut & get the hell out.

Yeah, I don't really plan on sticking around and playing commando.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:09
I'd not use a stainless slick handle. G10 or some kind of rough grip would be better.

Good suggestion:wavey:

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:13
Exactly. You also need to be willing to be within contact distance, cut someone, and be bled on.

What I was thinking about was my UNWILLINGNESS to be within contact distance...meaning I don't want to be raped or assaulted. If I've got some thug on top of me or cornering me I can defend myself. Without being too graphic, it's not the attackers blood I'm afraid of...it's the "other" DNA.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:15
thats the scary part, the proximity needed to employ a blade.

It is a scary thought. But not as scary as being raped/attacked though.

To me, scary is NOT being able to defend yourself.

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:16
And make sure your hepatitis shots are up to date! :supergrin:

For real! $45 per shot for a series of 3 shots. Done! :tongueout:

ExxoticOne
03-18-2010, 12:18
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/IMG_0234.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/IMG_0487.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Knives/tigerclaw440c.jpg


Can you tell me about this knife?

Copis
03-19-2010, 13:08
Can you tell me about this knife?

HAK (Hide Away Knife)

Company was started by a lady who went by the name "front sight". She has since sold the company..... interesting design....

Brain Virus
03-22-2010, 12:04
Great pics. Nice idea about the break-free thing but with my luck it would detach for some non-emergent reason...
then I'd be mad that I couldn't retrieve my knife!


i crimped mine pretty tight, it will hang on for day to day stuff, but it will let go if really tugged on...

The other option, is to go to the fan/ceiling light dept in walmart or home depot etc. and you can buy some lenghts of beaded chain, like these: http://www.lanyardfactory.com/lanyard-m7.htm and use that. Its the same idea (will break if pulled on hard enough) but better retention. I just dont like the metal feel personally but it may be just the ticket for you!

ExxoticOne
03-22-2010, 16:02
HAK (Hide Away Knife)

interesting design....

Sure is although I'm not sure how I'd use it to my advantage.

ExxoticOne
03-22-2010, 16:04
i crimped mine pretty tight, it will hang on for day to day stuff, but it will let go if really tugged on...

I just dont like the metal feel personally but it may be just the ticket for you!

It's always good to have options :cool:

Glock.23
03-26-2010, 22:40
I have a pink streetbike jacket for that very reason :tongueout:

I'm taking suggestions for prettier knives from this thread as well. My current carry piece is a CRKT.

http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/b/u/238/CRM16-01KZ_xlarge_8694_full_238.jpg


I personally carry this brand, but it is ideally for me to deploy if i got forced to the ground the design limits you to having to carry it on your left but pulling the blade with your right hand (odd design) which for me is ok. It takes a bit of practice pulling a knife from weak side and transferring to strong side. I'd suggested getting a knife with serrations though since you're a female you wanna do as much damage as possible:supergrin:

ExxoticOne
03-27-2010, 12:34
I'd suggested getting a knife with serrations though since you're a female you wanna do as much damage as possible:supergrin:

I suspect that if you cut something off with a serrated edged knife the likelihood of "sewing it back on" decreases. :cool:

larry1096
03-27-2010, 13:39
I suspect that if you cut something off with a serrated edged knife the likelihood of "sewing it back on" decreases. :cool:

Practice cutting flesh with serrations (no, I mean like a steak, don't go all tribal) and you'll find a plain edge typically slices deeper and longer for the same power in that medium.

Less chance of snagging on clothing, too.


Larry

ExxoticOne
03-27-2010, 13:40
Practice cutting flesh with serrations (no, I mean like a steak, don't go all tribal) and you'll find a plain edge typically slices deeper and longer for the same power in that medium.

Less chance of snagging on clothing, too.


Larry

I didn't even think of the clothing issue. Thanks. :wavey: (And OK, I won't go all tribal :rofl:)

larry1096
03-27-2010, 17:56
I didn't even think of the clothing issue. Thanks. :wavey: (And OK, I won't go all tribal :rofl:)

Well, it depends on your anticipated deployment environment. :)

Larry

firedawg60
03-28-2010, 17:43
My thought was that my attacker would be so freaked out by the blood loss they'd settle down. Realizing I can't foresee how an attacker will act I need to decide up front exactly how much damage I can/should inflict. (Again, I need training).

On a lighter (less serious note) I prefer the femoral artery route as I just don't want to hear all that "gurgling" :rofl:
And they might think something got cut off too!!!!!!! :rofl::rofl:

Mr. Blandings
04-05-2010, 07:35
The topic of training has been mentioned. I'll say that good training is at least as important as the selection of good gear.

To that end let me introduce George Matheis, aka "MERCOP", founder of Modern Combative Systems (http://www.moderncombativesystems.com/index.htm). George's Inverted Edge Tactics (IET) (http://www.moderncombativesystems.com/docs/shop_dvd3.htm) is a very good framework for using a knife at self defense distance.

I had the opportunity to learn the technique first hand from George at one of his seminars and will say that I saw several advantages to IET (list is not meant to be exhaustive):

IET minimizes the disadvantage of shorter length blades
IET minimizes the possibility of self injury due to failure of a folding knife
IET maximizes the cutting potential of your blade at realistic defensive distance
The cuts (wounds) produced by IET will appear very defensive in nature and will be easier to justify to authorities

George is a member here on GlockTalk and posts under the screen name MERCOP. >HERE< (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1026563&highlight=IET) is a thread discussing IET started by George.

Good stuff!

ExxoticOne
04-05-2010, 18:12
The cuts (wounds) produced by IET will appear very defensive in nature and will be easier to justify to authorities

This alone, to me, would be worth it. Thanks for ALL the info!

mercop
04-06-2010, 09:01
Some people has misconstrued this as me trying to say that use of a knife can ever be considered anything less that deadly force. This is not the case. The idea is that IET uses the Law of Extension which only means that for you to attack those targets using the system the bad guy has needs to be reaching for you. If he keeps his hands to himself IET will not be very effective. Thank you for the kind words Mr. Blandings.- George