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FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 09:30
I have been wanting a 38 Super for some time now. I've never even shot one. But I've got 45 and 40 1911s already so I wanted the other classic 1911 cal.

So at this past weekend's gun show, I had a dealer set me back a couple of 38 Supers. They had one blued and one stainless gov. I looked them both over and the blued is nice, no cosmetic flaws I could find, but the rear lock-up had a little slop. The stainless was solid in all accounts. Finish and roll marks looked good, the trigger was good and the barrel lock up was solid. So I decided to get the stainless.

Why did I not get a 38 Super sooner and why is it not more popular. Accurate, hits hard, easy recoil. I know the new Colts headspace off the mouth and the older ones were hit and miss on accuracy. But why don't more people look to this round today.

I plan on getting some nicer stocks and I don't plan on changing anything else.

faawrenchbndr
03-02-2010, 10:50
We need a picture posted! :wavey:

drc767
03-02-2010, 12:12
.38 Super in a 5" 1911 is about as sweet a shooter as they get.....The round can be handloaded to some pretty impressive velocities, too.....approaching, but just shy of the hotter 357 Sig specs with 124g bullets.

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 12:14
I'm going to post some pics when I get home.

There was recent article about how "Colt is back". I have a long love affair with Colt but I will also add in the last couple of months Ive bought a new Delta and this 38 Super both being recent production and both are top notch.

The same dealer had a Colt Rail gun. I almost jumped on that but I really do not have a need for a rail 1911. But then I don't have a "NEED" for a Super

Pics to follow!

Substance-P
03-02-2010, 12:48
I am interested in hearing your feedback once you put some more rounds downrange. I have been thinking about a 38 super myself as it seems to be a nice edition to any 1911 collection.

Congrats on the new acquisition.

CMG
03-02-2010, 12:58
I have been wanting a 38 Super for some time now. I've never even shot one. But I've got 45 and 40 1911s already so I wanted the other classic 1911 cal.

So at this past weekend's gun show, I had a dealer set me back a couple of 38 Supers. They had one blued and one stainless gov. I looked them both over and the blued is nice, no cosmetic flaws I could find, but the rear lock-up had a little slop. The stainless was solid in all accounts. Finish and roll marks looked good, the trigger was good and the barrel lock up was solid. So I decided to get the stainless.

Why did I not get a 38 Super sooner and why is it not more popular. Accurate, hits hard, easy recoil. I know the new Colts headspace off the mouth and the older ones were hit and miss on accuracy. But why don't more people look to this round today.

I plan on getting some nicer stocks and I don't plan on changing anything else.

Congrats on the new pistol!

Outside USPSA and IPSC, the .38 Super never was very popular. I started shooting it back in the early 80s. I also carried a LW Commander in .38S for about a decade, and watched ammo variety dwindle the whole time. These days if you find ammo, it is almost always the 130 FMJ loads, and FMJ just ain't sexy. :cool:

Most 1911 shooters prefer the .45, or if they are looking for something with more oomph, opt for the 10mm, but the .38 Super is a fine round!

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 13:17
Yeah, I've only put a 100 rounds through so far. Both mags worked like a charm but I will still prob pick up a couple more. Any advice??? Stick with Colt, Wilson???

As for ammo, Corbon and Winchester are the only HP rounds I have seen so far.

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 13:35
Excellent!

The .38 Super +P is a "super" shooting round in a 1911. I got a Performance Center last summer and enjoy it immensely. The caliber is somewhat unique commpared to most everything else, and no one else scrounges your brass. :supergrin:

Now you need to post pics. :)

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 13:40
Congrats on the new pistol!

Outside USPSA and IPSC, the .38 Super never was very popular. I started shooting it back in the early 80s. I also carried a LW Commander in .38S for about a decade, and watched ammo variety dwindle the whole time. These days if you find ammo, it is almost always the 130 FMJ loads, and FMJ just ain't sexy. :cool:

Most 1911 shooters prefer the .45, or if they are looking for something with more oomph, opt for the 10mm, but the .38 Super is a fine round!

I agree. The caliber is, for the most part, a "reloader's round." I reload 125 gr. FMJs so the cost is about the same as 9mm at ~$7.00 per box.

paul45
03-02-2010, 13:47
Why did I not get a 38 Super sooner and why is it not more popular.

But why don't more people look to this round today.



You think it is not popular just because YOU didn't have one? :rofl:

I have had several of them most of my adult life......

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 14:20
You think it is not popular just because YOU didn't have one? :rofl:

I have had several of them most of my adult life......

Not really what I was saying. I had gone years without ever seeing a 38 Super in a gun shop.

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 19:54
Here are the pics, sorry for the quality. It came with what you see in the box. A lock, papers, and 2 mags. Seems getting two mags is not as common as it used to be.

Im prob going to spring for some nicer grips though.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC000923.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC000962.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC000982.JPG

silversport
03-02-2010, 19:56
thatsa SO nice!
Bill

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 20:11
Aaaah, .38 Super pr0n...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCRIGHT04.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCLEFT06.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCFRONT09.jpg




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Rinspeed
03-02-2010, 20:55
I very much like the concept I just certainly don't need or want another caliber to reload for.

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 21:01
I very much like the concept I just certainly don't need or want another caliber to reload for.

Rinny, I thought about that and the part of your signature line: "...the sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death…"

Since I'm retired, 60, and have time on my hands, I figured I can deal with loading another caliber. :)

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 21:32
Since most of the recent barrels are .355 now anyway and I alread reload 9mm, and the Super makes good use of Power Pistol, Unique, Bullseye.... it is really not that much of a jump.

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 21:54
Since most of the recent barrels are .355 now anyway and I alread reload 9mm, and the Super makes good use of Power Pistol, Unique, Bullseye.... it is really not that much of a jump.

Yup, not a big deal... :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Gun%20Room/RELOADING/P1030076.jpg

FreeAmerican
03-02-2010, 22:14
Yup, not a big deal... :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Gun%20Room/RELOADING/P1030076.jpg

I'll ask you if you don't mind. I ordered a bunch of 130 gr .356 bullets. But I was told the New Colt and some of the other barrels are cut .355. Even so most of the HP bullets I find are really 9mm .355 bullets.

Have you run into any problems running .355 in a .356 barrel or vice versa??

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 22:38
I'll ask you if you don't mind. I ordered a bunch of 130 gr .356 bullets. But I was told the New Colt and some of the other barrels are cut .355. Even so most of the HP bullets I find are really 9mm .355 bullets.

Have you run into any problems running .355 in a .356 barrel or vice versa??

Quite frankly, I've never tried swapping bullets in my reloads. Also, I'm not sure if 0.00005 (5/10,000ths) per side would make a difference.

drc767
03-02-2010, 22:55
Since most of the recent barrels are .355 now anyway and I alread reload 9mm, and the Super makes good use of Power Pistol, Unique, Bullseye.... it is really not that much of a jump.

Try some VV N105!! Great velocity with no pressure issues whatsoever. 10.4 g of powder pushes my 124g Speer Gold Dots (.355 diameter) to 1,450 fps out of a 5" barrel.

Cobra64
03-02-2010, 23:11
Try some VV N105!! Great velocity with no pressure issues whatsoever. 10.4 g of powder pushes my 124g Speer Gold Dots (.355 diameter) to 1,450 fps out of a 5" barrel.

I've loaded a few hundred .38 Super rounds with 231 (my .45 powder) and don't care for it. After hours of searching for VV powder best suited for .38 Super, I've been looking at VV 3N37. If you don't mind, what's your take on that option?

drc767
03-02-2010, 23:49
I've loaded a few hundred .38 Super rounds with 231 (my .45 powder) and don't care for it. After hours of searching for VV powder best suited for .38 Super, I've been looking at VV 3N37. If you don't mind, what's your take on that option?

I have some 3N37, but have not played around with it yet, because of the results I have had with the N105. The N105 is stable and has not shown the slightest bit of overpressure in the cases or primers, at least up the the 10.4g charge that I am currently shooting. It gives some real nice velocities and is fairly clean to shoot. The listed charges that Vihtavuori gives shows the max loading (124g) for the 3N37 is 7.7g that gives 1316 fps. The max loading listed for the N105 is listed at 11g and gives 1,594! 11g is a bunch of powder, but I can tell you I have worked up to 10.4 and am around the 1,450-1,460 mark, which is plenty for the Gold Dot bullet. I would go right for the N105 if I were you.....I promise you will not be sorry......that is, if you can find it. It is sometimes a little tough to come by.

Cobra64
03-03-2010, 00:10
I have some 3N37, but have not played around with it yet, because of the results I have had with the N105. The N105 is stable and has not shown the slightest bit of overpressure in the cases or primers, at least up the the 10.4g charge that I am currently shooting. It gives some real nice velocities and is fairly clean to shoot. The listed charges that Vihtavuori gives shows the max loading (124g) for the 3N37 is 7.7g that gives 1316 fps. The max loading listed for the N105 is listed at 11g and gives 1,594! 11g is a bunch of powder, but I can tell you I have worked up to 10.4 and am around the 1,450-1,460 mark, which is plenty for the Gold Dot bullet. I would go right for the N105 if I were you.....I promise you will not be sorry......that is, if you can find it. It is sometimes a little tough to come by.

Thanks a bunch. That info is very helpful and I'll check out the usual on-line powder dealers.

Morgo
03-03-2010, 00:23
Congrats!
I love the .38 Super and have several myself. Its a very popular round here with IPSC and Target shooters.

GVFlyer
03-03-2010, 00:48
Here's my .38 Super - I love this pistol.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/Picture118-2.jpg?t=1267598406

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/007-3.jpg?t=1267598812

Cobra64
03-03-2010, 01:03
Here's my .38 Super - I love this pistol.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/Picture118-2.jpg?t=1267598406

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/007-3.jpg?t=1267598812

That's a very handsome pistol.

Glolt20-91
03-03-2010, 01:18
The max loading listed for the N105 is listed at 11g and gives 1,594! 11g is a bunch of powder, but I can tell you I have worked up to 10.4 and am around the 1,450-1,460 mark, which is plenty for the Gold Dot bullet. I would go right for the N105 if I were you.....I promise you will not be sorry......that is, if you can find it. It is sometimes a little tough to come by.

Vihtavuori has scaled back their N105 loading to read 9.9grs to 10.4grs.

I've loaded .355, .356 and .357 cal bullets with good results using a number of different powders. AA #7 was specifically designed for the .38 Super, also, Double Tap is now offering .38Super ammo.

I like the rubber grips on my Colt, also have a Para and thinking about adding another.

The 124gr XTP is wicked, hammer of Thor performance on four legged predators when cruising in the low 1400s.

Bob :cowboy:

Beware Owner
03-19-2010, 13:03
Aaaah, .38 Super pr0n...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCRIGHT04.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCLEFT06.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCFRONT09.jpg




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How many rounds does that hold per mag?

Cobra64
03-19-2010, 14:21
How many rounds does that hold per mag?


Here ya go... http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=14811&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15714

Beware Owner
03-19-2010, 14:30
Here ya go... http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=14811&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15714

Looks sweet, but expensive!

HAMMERHEAD
03-19-2010, 15:25
Congrats on the Super!

I use Metalform magzines, the round follower style, they work great.

I use .355" and .356" jacketed or plated bullets and .356" and .357" lead bullets.
My favorite cheap bullet is a Meister .357" 130 grain LRN-FP 'cowboy' bullet. Rainier plated bullets are good, but for real accuracy try Remington's .355" 147 grain 'match' FMJ or Hornady's .356" 125 grain HAP or .355" XTP's.

Titegroup is hard to beat for light loads and HS-6 and SR-7625 for hot stuff.

Beware Owner
03-19-2010, 15:34
I bet that makes an excellent carry gun.