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blaster_54738
03-03-2010, 02:54
I have $500 and I want a new tactical shotgun. I'm leaning towards the Benelli Supernova Tactical at the momment. Will be going to look/buy in about 9 hours so any suggestions will be appreciated.

frankr
03-03-2010, 04:30
The Benelli Supernova Tactical is a great gun but so is the Remington. I went with the 12 gauge Remington 870 Express, model 25077, 18 1/2 inch Barrel, 2 shell magazine extension, 6+1 magazine capacity, speed feed slide fore-end for $370. I needed to save some money because I had my eyes on a Mossberg 930 SPX, great tactical auto for $657 out the door. But that is another story.

B Coyote
03-03-2010, 04:42
An 18.5" Remington 870 and use the extra money for ammo.

bc

blaster_54738
03-03-2010, 07:58
already have tons of ammo so that's not needed.

marshallblaine02
03-03-2010, 08:04
IMO nothing is better than and 870 for an inexpensive HD shotgun, personally I use a 11-87 as my duck/bedroom shotty, some people say pump is more reliable but I really don't think so maybe w/ bird shot you could get some weak rounds that would make in not function 100% but I'm pretty sure the 3" 00 buck have the recoil to make it work. I KNOW THEY DO! I've got several thousand round thru this gun and know it is a workhorse.

ScrappyDoo
03-03-2010, 08:30
spend a little more for the Mossberg 930 SPX ... it's the bomb.

Michael Palombi
03-03-2010, 10:01
Saiga 12 with a 20rnd drum.

Michael Palombi

blaster_54738
03-03-2010, 10:16
spend a little more for the Mossberg 930 SPX ... it's the bomb.

won't own a mossberg. i use to have one when i was younger for deer and turkey and didn't like it, seemed for lack of a better term, cheap and every one i've picked up since has felt the same way. i've had an 870 express too and really didn't care for it either. was probably just the gun but it had failure to feed issues, shells wouldn't come out of the magazine tube so thats why i was leaning towards the benelli. i guess we'll just see what i can find today. i'll post pictures if i can find one that suits my needs.

blaster_54738
03-03-2010, 10:17
Saiga 12 with a 20rnd drum.

Michael Palombi

thought about it if somebody sold them around here

mixflip
03-03-2010, 10:39
I have $500 and I want a new tactical shotgun. I'm leaning towards the Benelli Supernova Tactical at the momment. Will be going to look/buy in about 9 hours so any suggestions will be appreciated.

The SuperNova is probably the best value for $500 in a pump shotgun you can buy today. I love the 870's but I could not deny the facts and features of the new SuperNova. It won shotgun of the year a few years back for a reason. I try not to buy stuff solely on blind faith to a brand or hype. The 870 is an amazing shotgun and I will own one someday when I need another pump but it is based on 1950's technology. Caburators work but so does fuel injection. The SuperNova is just a product of advancement that comes with time, new technology and Italian engineering. There is nothing wrong with that.

If Remington or Mossberg made a gun with all the features the Benelli has guess what? I'd be buying their gun.
Chrome lined barrels to fight corrosion,
rotating dual lug bolt head like an M14
mag stop button,
safety button forward of the trigger guard, thats oversized from the factory
polymer armor coating like a Glock mag,
built in sling studs,
ghost ring sights,
recoil reducing stock with no springs,
non-spring loaded load gate that doesnt pinch your fingers, locks out of the way like Mossbergs
Remington style slide release button
hi viz follower from the factory,
spring loaded pinned extractor vs riveted,
shoots everything up to 3.5" shells
60 seconds to field strip and reassemble...

C'mon thats alot of bang for the buck.

Of course non of this stuff is NEEDED to do the job of sending 00-buck down range but for an extra $150 you get alot over the traditional 870's and 500s.

Here is a good short review on it from shotgunworld.com if you are interested
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=211800

frankr
03-03-2010, 11:07
The SuperNova is probably the best value for $500 in a pump shotgun you can buy today. I love the 870's but I could not deny the facts and features of the new SuperNova. It won shotgun of the year a few years back for a reason. I try not to buy stuff solely on blind faith to a brand or hype. The 870 is an amazing shotgun and I will own one someday when I need another pump but it is based on 1950's technology. Caburators work but so does fuel injection. The SuperNova is just a product of advancement that comes with time, new technology and Italian engineering. There is nothing wrong with that.

If Remington or Mossberg made a gun with all the features the Benelli has guess what? I'd be buying their gun.
Chrome lined barrels to fight corrosion,
rotating dual lug bolt head like an M14
mag stop button,
safety button forward of the trigger guard, thats oversized from the factory
polymer armor coating like a Glock mag,
built in sling studs,
ghost ring sights,
recoil reducing stock with no springs,
non-spring loaded load gate that doesnt pinch your fingers, locks out of the way like Mossbergs
Remington style slide release button
hi viz follower from the factory,
spring loaded pinned extractor vs riveted,
shoots everything up to 3.5" shells
60 seconds to field strip and reassemble...

C'mon thats alot of bang for the buck.

Of course non of this stuff is NEEDED to do the job of sending 00-buck down range but for an extra $150 you get alot over the traditional 870's and 500s.

Here is a good short review on it from shotgunworld.com if you are interested
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=211800

mixflip, you got me scratching my head.

Mad Trapper
03-03-2010, 11:44
Actually went and bought a Mossberg 500 persuader yesterday for $379, 18.5 barrel, parkerized, black stocks. I was going to buy the Supernova Tactical for $469, but it just seemed so big and heavy. Maybe it was just me, but the Mossberg seemed so much lighter, or it just fit me better. Benelli's a nice gun but the 500 design was and has been used by the US military for years.

ScrappyDoo
03-03-2010, 12:19
Geez I got my 930 SPX on Super Bowl Sunday and it's not even been a month and now I'm jonesing for a damn Benelli. Thanks a lot mixflip!

mixflip
03-03-2010, 14:01
Lol...sorry Frank and Scrappy. Hey life aint bad if you end up owning a Mossberg 930 SPX and a Benelli SuperNova Tactical.

Btw way guys I have a new Benelli SuperNova review just posted on youtube if you really want to learn more about my new pump shotgun in detail. Hopefully I dont piss off too many Remington & Mossberg pump lovers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKIUaiLc0yU part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTrx8c-eOs part 2

Jay S.
03-03-2010, 17:36
Lol...sorry Frank and Scrappy. Hey life aint bad if you end up owning a Mossberg 930 SPX and a Benelli SuperNova Tactical.

Btw way guys I have a new Benelli SuperNova review just posted on youtube if you really want to learn more about my new pump shotgun in detail. Hopefully I dont piss off too many Remington & Mossberg pump lovers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKIUaiLc0yU part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTrx8c-eOs part 2

I have a Nova that I use for Duck/Goose hunting. It is built like a tank. A couple of friends have them as well. They have been used as paddles, poles for pushing off river banks ( unloaded of course ) bounced around canoes and trucks and generally beat all to hell. One of my Friends refuses to clean his. Every once in a while he will aim some wd40 at it and hope some lands on it.:rofl:

blaster_54738
03-03-2010, 18:17
went with the Benelli. It was a toss up between that and the 870, they were both set up almost identical and the prices were the same. the supernova has ghost rings and felt better so thats what i went with. pics to come soon

SiNNiK
03-03-2010, 18:39
I bought my Benelli SNT because it was beefier than the "other guys".

It was heavier feeling, but the balance was great. Then I put a mag extension on and once it had a snoot full of shot it was pretty heavy and of course changed the balance making it not so easy to swing around, but for 7+1 I'll deal with the weight.

You won't be sorry with the SNT.

mixflip
03-03-2010, 19:04
Maybe its just me but since I owned a Mossberg 590 (9 shot obviously) a tank of a shotgun...I dont feel like my Benelli is heavy at all?

I'd like to think its my massive muscles but that aint even close to the truth, lol.

dc2integra
03-03-2010, 22:36
mossberg 500 tactical for about 350$ the rest of the cash for ammo

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 00:03
Maybe its just me but since I owned a Mossberg 590 (9 shot obviously) a tank of a shotgun...I dont feel like my Benelli is heavy at all?

I'd like to think its my massive muscles but that aint even close to the truth, lol.
Just watched your review, pretty much covered everything, good job.

I'd like to add a couple of things, if I may.

Pro: Hammer forged barrels.

Con: Barrels cost $300.

As for the weight, mine feels much heavier than my M70AB2 does, loaded. Probably just because the ammo is loaded horizontally out towards the front and not vertical under the receiver like the AK.

Maybe I just need to do some pushups. :)

mixflip
03-04-2010, 02:53
Hammer forged barrels.:)

Hammer forged barrels? Dang it I thought I covered everything. That is good to know, thanks. Now I have to add that bit if info on the video as a pop up annotation.

frankr
03-04-2010, 04:56
mixflip, great looking gun and as always great video's. But my number one shotgun for home protection is my 930 SPX. Went to the range yesterday for fun shooting and of the four boxes in the low brass Federal 100 shell value pack we get at Wal-Mart I shot three boxes from my shoulder and the last box from my hip. Guess what. Your correct, not one malfunction. Good luck with your new shotgun and keep posting your videos. Count to date, 350 shells shot, malfuntions 0

ScrappyDoo
03-04-2010, 10:24
frank and mix, quick question. Do either of you have an , dare I say, Upgraded? barrel for the 930 SPX? I don't mean upgraded as in better... I mean, maybe, bigger/longer for different applications? I want to use my 930 as my tactical shotgun / HD weapon but also my "primary" shotgun ... and seeing as it's my only shotgun and it seems the next I purchase will also be a tactical model (The Benelli) and I'm not buying a new barrel for THAT mofo, I'd like to consider and maybe get some ideas/options for buying a new barrel for the Mossberg so I can increase its versatility...

Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks gents.

frankr
03-04-2010, 10:43
frank and mix, quick question. Do either of you have an , dare I say, Upgraded? barrel for the 930 SPX? I don't mean upgraded as in better... I mean, maybe, bigger/longer for different applications? I want to use my 930 as my tactical shotgun / HD weapon but also my "primary" shotgun ... and seeing as it's my only shotgun and it seems the next I purchase will also be a tactical model (The Benelli) and I'm not buying a new barrel for THAT mofo, I'd like to consider and maybe get some ideas/options for buying a new barrel for the Mossberg so I can increase its versatility...

Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks gents.

ScrappyDoo I have the factory installed 18.5 barrel only but I see no reason why you would not be able to put any Mossberg 930 barrel on your SPX. The only difference between the 930 SPX and a field grade 930 is the finish, sights, magazine 2 shot extension and Picatinny rail. You should be able to remove your SPX barrel and slip on your hunting barrel, the finish will be different and you may have to go with a shorter magazine spring and end cap depending if your limited to the number of shells your gun can be loaded with when hunting in your state. You would also have to remove the rear ghost ring sight, but there should be room to look down the picatinny rail to the front bead of your hunting barrel. Hope this helps. mix may have more information.

mixflip
03-04-2010, 10:43
I am not 100% sure but I just looked at Mossbergs catalog magazine and there are tons of 930 hunting gun variations for duck, dove, turkey, ect. Since th eSPX is essentially based off a semi-auto hunting gun I dont see why any of those barrels wouldnt fit the SPX. Call or email Mossberg before you actually buy one just to be sure.

The only issue I can see is that your SPX has ghost ring sights. If you swap in a hunting barrel with a vent rib and bead sight. You will have to remove your rear ghost ring sight (which is easy) and either go with a holosight mounted on the picatinny rail or remove the picatinny rail all together and go 100% hunter style.

Also as Frank mentioned, you will probably need to buy a standard mag cap and a shell limiter dowel (or make your own if you are cheap like me) just to keep the Game Warden happy.

blaster_54738
03-04-2010, 10:45
well here it is.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/blaster_54738/IMG_0919.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/blaster_54738/IMG_0915.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/blaster_54738/IMG_0916.jpg

now just to order the Nordic +2 extension and top rail for maybe an eotech and it'll be done

frankr
03-04-2010, 10:55
blaster-54738 Great looking gun thank you for posting your pictures and I wish you the best of luck. Stay safe.

Blitzer
03-04-2010, 11:10
After owning Mossberg 500s and Remington 870s I would choose the Benelli Supernova as my next shotgun purchase.

I.M.O./E. Tactical stocks are for combat only and I would choose the conventional stock for fexibility.

Apocalypse_Now
03-04-2010, 11:39
thought about it if somebody sold them around here

My bedside gun is a Mossberg 500 18 inch that I have been shooting and beating the h#ell out of for 25 years. No disappointments

mixflip
03-04-2010, 13:37
Nice choice! Mine was a little tight at first but it smooths out after breaking it in.

I love the comfort tech feature in my stock and I dont think I can justify swapping it out.

I am on the hunt for a mag extension myself. I think I may go with a TacStar so I can beat it up a little and not cry if I scratch it. Nordics are works of art.

As far as a top rail? I am probably going with a Mesa Tactical rail & side saddle combo. Expensive but wont get stripped threads after years of use so its worth the extra bucks I think.

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 17:03
now just to order the Nordic +2 extension and top rail for maybe an eotech and it'll be done
Nordic is who I went with, except I got the +3 due to a brain fart.

Glad I did though, once I send my barrel to King Armory for their Breach/Brake job, it'll even things up nice and pretty and I'll have 7+1 capacity.

I also got Nordic's teflon coated follower, nice although I wish it came in different colors.

Don't forget the barrel clamp, even though you probably won't need it for +2, they have a little rail that attaches to it for a spiffy place to mount a light, or a cup holder, or something.

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 17:10
I am on the hunt for a mag extension myself. I think I may go with a TacStar so I can beat it up a little and not cry if I scratch it. Nordics are works of art.

As far as a top rail? I am probably going with a Mesa Tactical rail & side saddle combo. Expensive but wont get stripped threads after years of use so its worth the extra bucks I think.

Just curious, why would you "go for it" on the side saddle and cheap out on the mag extension?

Also, some guys were having problems with side saddles on the SNT's where it was stripping out the threads in the receiver, I forget what the problem was, but it seems like it was a specific brand of side saddle and the screws were wrong.

I'll try to find it, anyway what they did to "fix" it was to drill out the holes on the top of the receiver and install steel inserts.

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 17:15
One more thing, the action in the SNT is long but butter smooth.

It's probably, for me at least, the most exciting thing about shooting the SNT is working the action and loading another round.

I just picked up some 3.5" Remington Mag Express 00 Buckshot for the next range trip, just because I can.

:)

blaster_54738
03-04-2010, 17:31
I was looking at the Mesa rail/saddle combo and thats what worried me was the weight applied to those small holes. i dont know how tight the shells fit in the holder but could yanking one out cause any problems?

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 19:47
This was the problem.

Yeah these side saddles are great. I didn't strip the screws when installing them. They began to walk themselves out with blue loctite on them at my last 3 gun match. So i got home and tightened them back up. Only about 2-3 threads actually make it into the receiver and wouldn't tighten any further it would then just spin in the hole. Therefore meaning my receiver is now stripped out. I guess from recoil somehow worked the screws loose. The gun has over 2,000 rounds thru it since the Mesa saddle was installed. So basically now I have only 3 screws holding this thing in. I went out shooting today and got about 75 rounds down the pipe, no problem. On my last box of ammo, middle of shooting about 3 rounds into it, the whole side saddle comes right off. I get home and look at this thing and try putting the screws in without the rail on there and they turn in fine but u can pull them out with your hand. I get my factory rail and screws w/ washers out and hand thread them in without the rail and they go in no problem. Then I install them on the gun with the rail and its rock solid. U can't even pull it off. Sao basically only the first few threads in my receiver are stripped out, since the factory screws go in further past the stripped part. The Mesa rail is taller and uses longer screws but they dont make enough contact with the M4 receiver. Mesa recommended installing Helicoils and having the receiver retapped, but does anyone know someone that can accomplish this, or should I just leave the facory one on there?I hope I can link the source without getting in trouble.

Link (http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15509&highlight=stripped+receiver).

mixflip
03-04-2010, 22:01
Maybe I dont fully understand the Mesa setup, but I thought the mesa side saddles mount in the reciever pin holes with non-walking pins. Essentially a bolt with flared nuts on both ends.

How is anything getting stripped in the reciever?

IBreakStuff
03-04-2010, 22:20
Rem 870P, or Moss 590A1. Built to last and huge after market support.

SiNNiK
03-04-2010, 23:49
Maybe I dont fully understand the Mesa setup, but I thought the mesa side saddles mount in the reciever pin holes with non-walking pins. Essentially a bolt with flared nuts on both ends.

How is anything getting stripped in the reciever?
The holes tapped into the top of the receiver. There are little plastic pieces that you pop out (from the inside) in case you wanted to mount a rail (or a side saddle that utilizes them), those are the ones that were getting stripped.

mixflip
03-05-2010, 00:03
Oh ok so the whole system works by bolting down the tiny top screws and no trigger housing pins? That sucks! Looks like I wont be getting the Mesa combo.

SiNNiK
03-05-2010, 00:03
Another instance of stripped receiver.

Link (http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15121&highlight=supernova+sidesaddle).

CTfam
03-09-2010, 19:24
Question for you Benneli owners if I may...

What is the LOP on those stocks? From what I understand there are only two options for stocks. PG stock and comfort-tech. I'm 6'4" but I like a nice short LOP.

The LOP on that PG model looks almost as long as the barrel! I love everything about the SNT but WHEN will someone put out an M4 style stock? My Spec Ops has me spoiled adjusted to about 12.5".

That's the only thing holding me back at this point.

DaveFJ80
03-15-2010, 23:09
Nice choice. See my other post about the Nordic Components mag extension vs. the TacStar mag extension (bad threads and it coming off while shooting).

Invest in a Limbsaver recoil pad. Seriously, after putting 100 round of 00 buckshot through my SuperNova tactical (w/pistol grip), I don't feel a thing on my shoulder as there is no pain at all. Best $30 spent IMO. BTW, the "pre-fit" recoil pads don't fit the pistol-grip stalk. I know because I ordered both styles for Benelli and ended up selling both. You need to use the size Small slip-on pad as that fits perfectly.


http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/mugenef8/Benelli/SuperNova/398.jpg

Block Slide
03-16-2010, 14:36
Question for you Benneli owners if I may...

What is the LOP on those stocks? From what I understand there are only two options for stocks. PG stock and comfort-tech. I'm 6'4" but I like a nice short LOP.

The LOP on that PG model looks almost as long as the barrel! I love everything about the SNT but WHEN will someone put out an M4 style stock? My Spec Ops has me spoiled adjusted to about 12.5".

That's the only thing holding me back at this point.

I don't know exactly maybe 14.5? It's too long i know that. But i saw that Mesa tactical is making a aftermarket pistol grip stock for the m1 and m2 called the "Urbino Tactical stock". Anyone know if that will fit the PG supernova? It's on their main page as a PDF file. I was under the impression the SNT and M1/M2 share the same stock but Mesa isn't advertising it for the Supernova so i could be wrong.

Victoriagotagun
03-16-2010, 19:34
But i saw that Mesa tactical is making a aftermarket pistol grip stock for the m1 and m2 called the "Urbino Tactical stock". Anyone know if that will fit the PG supernova? It's on their main page as a PDF file. I was under the impression the SNT and M1/M2 share the same stock but Mesa isn't advertising it for the Supernova so i could be wrong.

I have emailed Mesa Tactical to see if the Urbino stock will fit a SNT right after they announced the stock and have yet to receive a reply. You could try calling them to find out or asking the question on their forum.

blaster_54738
03-16-2010, 20:47
I have emailed Mesa Tactical to see if the Urbino stock will fit a SNT right after they announced the stock and have yet to receive a reply. You could try calling them to find out or asking the question on their forum.

i have yet to hear back from them on a question after a week too. something tells me they aren't good about answering emails

stopatrain
03-18-2010, 18:29
Benelli SuperNova Tactical is A+