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snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 08:09
Although I was in the market for a Bulgy 7.62 AK, when I saw this Bulgarian AK-74 with synthetic furniture for $349 this morning I ordered right away.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/akagun74.aspx

Free shipping, side rail, and the girl on the phone (Anne) told me these weapons have hammer-forged, chromed-lined barrels (we'll see). Ordered three extra mags at $9.99 each because I ordered with the gun (is that a good price?).

Assembled/manufactured by Century Arms (spotty QC record), so I'll have to check this out carefully...

I jumped on this as soon as I saw it, because they are going to sell out of these very quick. Anne said they have alot, but expect to sell them out rapidly at this price. They are only $50 more than the Saiga 7.62x39 sporters...http://www.centerfiresystems.com/SAI-762.aspx

I've read that 5.45x39 ammo is not as plentiful as 7.62x39. Is it more expensive too? Is 5.45x39 a good round? (I don't know anything about it...) On the upside, with the reduced recoil my wife probably will enjoy shooting this weapon with me at the range more...

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 08:37
The QC at Century as it relates to 5.45 rifles worries me. I have read on other boards that the keyholing problem has found its way into the Bulgarian AK-74s from Century.

snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 08:42
I read that too, but I figured I would roll the dice.

After checking for cant and other common AK issues, I'll check out keyholing at the range. If it does keyhole, I'll send it back for fix or an exchange until I get a good one. I figured (or hope that) in that scenario the $350 price is still good. We'll see...

I'll update the board on my findings. The rifle ships on Monday. Wish me luck, LOL.

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 08:48
Let us know how it works out. The price is outstanding and I may jump on one of those myself depending on your report.

toshbar
03-05-2010, 08:53
The general consensus on teh innarwebz is that the keyholing was caused in some of the the Century Tantals (5.45) because they used 5.56 barrels instead of 5.45. Do the bullet check at the muzzle and that should be a start.

PS: I just converted a Saiga 5.45 and I love it. The ammo is far cheaper than any other center fire rifle I know of (1/3 cost of .223 and almost same ballistics, 1/6 cost to feed my Garand). all the 5.45 russian surplus ammo is corrosive. There is some debate and chance that ammo made after '89 may not be corrosive. I have some with '82 headstamp and know for a fact that it is corrosive. It is kind of a pain to know I have to clean it when I get back from shooting instead of just putting it up like I do the WASR which I've been shooting Wolf out of, but will start using some Yugo corrosive ammo. Looks like I'll be cleaning quite a bit. I don't detail the whole gun, just field strip, run some water down the barrel, in the gas block and tube and over the piston. Wipe everything clean and dry, then douse it with some NAPA Premium 30 weight.

snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 09:05
Thanks for the 5.45 info. I'll check the inner barrel diameter.

I don't know much about the 5.45 round, even though I ordered the gun (LOL). Glad to hear shooting it won't break the bank. Now I have to read up on the 5.45 in terms of performance and what not. Not a biggie about the round though. I plan on this being a "fun" gun.

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 09:06
Yes toshbar, I realize the issue originally was with the Century Tantals, but it appears the problem may also be with the Century Bulgarians. Here, read this...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=126609

It makes me wonder if the $350 Bulgarians are going that cheap because Century has figured out they screwed up....again. If so, it makes it really difficult to like them.

snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 09:15
Carlos, thanks for that thread from AR15.com.

I'll be taking mine to the range ASAP after receiving it.

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 09:18
The 5.45 is similar to the 5.56. I think it shoots even softer than the 5.56. I've done some informal testing comparing the 5.56 and 5.45 and they're close in penetration. If you have some time, there are some interesting medical articles here...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/is_200112/ai_n9010648/?tag=content;col1

It is also interesting to follow the link comparing the 5.56 out of an M-16A2 and an M-4.

toshbar
03-05-2010, 09:23
Yes toshbar, I realize the issue originally was with the Century Tantals, but it appears the problem may also be with the Century Bulgarians. Here, read this...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=126609

It makes me wonder if the $350 Bulgarians are going that cheap because Century has figured out they screwed up....again. If so, it makes it really difficult to like them.
Hmm. That thread is only a few days old. I did all my research 2 months ago and seriously considered buying the rifle he speaks of in that thread.

Izhmash FTW!!!!

snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 10:06
Thanks again Carlos. The 5.56 and 5.45 appear similar in performance. Makes sense, the Russians probably designed it with similar performance in mind.

Now all is left is to research pricing and availability.

snubbyluvr
03-05-2010, 13:14
Is this about as inexpensive as 5.45x39mm ammo gets?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A54539R

entropy1049
03-05-2010, 13:26
Depending on shipping that's a good price currently for 5.45.


BTW: Awesome deal on a fun Bulgy shooter!

Jmzzl
03-05-2010, 14:02
It's a good deal if the quality of the firearm is good.

Also, I'm glad you found that website. They have awesome deals on some guns that are even lower than some dealer pricing, I know for sure. Theres Romanian AK stock sets for $8. $8!!?!!?! I'm buying a couple to refinish and fix up.

toshbar
03-05-2010, 16:19
Is this about as inexpensive as 5.45x39mm ammo gets?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A54539R
Depending on how many mags the gun came with, get some of these http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MAK74C30&groupid=68 I got some for my saiga and they're awesome. 4 for $40 and comes with a mag pouch.

photoguy
03-05-2010, 18:14
Looks like Classic Arms has the $350 AK-74s too

smineb
03-05-2010, 18:51
Looks like Classic Arms has the $350 AK-74s too


where? i dont see them on their site

LEAD
03-05-2010, 18:58
Century will be good to you if you get a model that keyholes.

scotte10x
03-05-2010, 19:42
Just FYI

Buyer Beware,
We have rebuilt 2 of these guns, the cost for the first one was 525.00 the cost of the second one was 575.00.
There's a reason these guns are cheep. You may luck out and get one that actually works like Mike NV did but my experience is these guns at best are just not complete. To properly build and COMPLETE an AK requires more than what goes into these TGI guns.
You don't have to buy one of our guns but at the same time don't count your life on an incomplete budget gun designed for shooters who don't know any better.
__________________
Jim Fuller
Rifle Dynamics 07FFL/SOT www.rifledynamics.com
Suarez International staff Instructor/AK Armorer

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 21:07
Yes toshbar, I realize the issue originally was with the Century Tantals, but it appears the problem may also be with the Century Bulgarians. Here, read this...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=126609

It makes me wonder if the $350 Bulgarians are going that cheap because Century has figured out they screwed up....again. If so, it makes it really difficult to like them.


Just FYI

Buyer Beware,
We have rebuilt 2 of these guns, the cost for the first one was 525.00 the cost of the second one was 575.00.
There's a reason these guns are cheep. You may luck out and get one that actually works like Mike NV did but my experience is these guns at best are just not complete. To properly build and COMPLETE an AK requires more than what goes into these TGI guns.
You don't have to buy one of our guns but at the same time don't count your life on an incomplete budget gun designed for shooters who don't know any better.
__________________
Jim Fuller
Rifle Dynamics 07FFL/SOT www.rifledynamics.com
Suarez International staff Instructor/AK Armorer

I rest my case.

CarlosC
03-05-2010, 21:11
Just FYI

Buyer Beware,
We have rebuilt 2 of these guns, the cost for the first one was 525.00 the cost of the second one was 575.00.
There's a reason these guns are cheep. You may luck out and get one that actually works like Mike NV did but my experience is these guns at best are just not complete. To properly build and COMPLETE an AK requires more than what goes into these TGI guns.
You don't have to buy one of our guns but at the same time don't count your life on an incomplete budget gun designed for shooters who don't know any better.
__________________
Jim Fuller
Rifle Dynamics 07FFL/SOT www.rifledynamics.com
Suarez International staff Instructor/AK Armorer

and welcome to Glock Talk. :wavey:

photoguy
03-06-2010, 00:59
Looks like Classic Arms has the $350 AK-74s too

My bad, Classic has a $350 Romanian AK-47s
http://www.classicarms.us/
First item on the page.

I'm sure that for $350 these various AKs aren't as good as the higher priced models but it's good to see AK prices coming down just the same.

Line Rider
03-06-2010, 09:41
Just FYI

Buyer Beware,
We have rebuilt 2 of these guns, the cost for the first one was 525.00 the cost of the second one was 575.00.
There's a reason these guns are cheep. You may luck out and get one that actually works like Mike NV did but my experience is these guns at best are just not complete. To properly build and COMPLETE an AK requires more than what goes into these TGI guns.
You don't have to buy one of our guns but at the same time don't count your life on an incomplete budget gun designed for shooters who don't know any better.
__________________
Jim Fuller
Rifle Dynamics 07FFL/SOT www.rifledynamics.com
Suarez International staff Instructor/AK Armorer

:goodpost:

I checked ar15.com and The AK forums and decide not to buy a TGI.

Welcome to the forum Mr. Fuller

Sam Spade
03-06-2010, 11:15
Just FYI

:wavey:

OTOH, $350 for a parts kit isn't that bad....and you get the 922 parts already included.

muncie21
03-06-2010, 17:16
We have rebuilt 2 of these guns, the cost for the first one was 525.00 the cost of the second one was 575.00.


If a 'rebuilt' AK runs $500, then I'll either find a new smith or move over to ARs. :wow:

Unless of course, you are milling a new receiver from billet and sprinkling a touch of gold over everything.:whistling:

rtl
03-07-2010, 18:54
bulgy's are sweet. hope you get a good one. century made some high quality yugo m70's so i know they are capable..........sometimes.

toshbar
03-07-2010, 19:23
century made some high quality yugo m70's so i know they are capable..........sometimes.
AFAIK they farmed out those to some other company to do, and whoever did it did it well.

durian00
03-13-2010, 21:31
I understand they start shipping on 3/15. (Saying the obvious) Please post pictures and provide feedback.

Stinkyrat
03-15-2010, 23:52
Mine should be here on friday, and from the sounds of things these will make great shooters. This is the 5th Century built AK type rifle I am buying (WASR-10, PSL, SAR-2, Yugo M70AB2 and now this) and have never had an issue with any of them.

People who buy AK's arnt usually going for the absolute perfection that one would expect out of an AR-15, they are going for something that is reasonably priced, will go boom and have a high rate of reliability. You can drop a grand on an arsenal AK and still run into quality control issues just like with the century rifles. The stories are out there and no matter what there are going to be positive and negative stories about any of the manufacturers of these rifles, or that can be applied to any rifle for that matter.

Its all in the eyes of the beholder. Anyways I'll post some pictures when it shows up. First gun I've bought in over a year, kinda stoked!

Stinkyrat

toshbar
03-16-2010, 07:57
People who buy AK's arnt usually going for the absolute perfection that one would expect out of an AR-15, they are going for something that is reasonably priced, will go boom and have a high rate of reliability. You can drop a grand on an arsenal AK and still run into quality control issues just like with the century rifles. The stories are out there and no matter what there are going to be positive and negative stories about any of the manufacturers of these rifles, or that can be applied to any rifle for that matter.

Its all in the eyes of the beholder. Anyways I'll post some pictures when it shows up. First gun I've bought in over a year, kinda stoked!

Stinkyrat

You could replace "AK" with "Glock". Same idea. I love mine(glocks and aks)!

ssrunner
03-17-2010, 20:28
I got an Bulgarian AK-74 from Centerfire last Thursday (I ordered early and got in on the first shipment). Took it to the range saturday, fired one, two, three rounds through it aaaaand.... the front sight flew off.

They shipped it without roller pins holding the sight on.

I am currently awaiting delivery of a new front sight assembly with pins (for free) from Century, so at least they are standing behind their product.

As far as keyholing, didn't get a chance to check for that, but the barrel appears to be the correct size as a 5.56 bullet doesn't come close to fitting in the muzzle as a crude check.

I'll update you when I get my pins.

Moral of the story: INSPECT YOUR GUNS BEFORE YOU SHOOT!!!!

Stinkyrat
03-19-2010, 23:04
As promised,

Picked up my CFS AK-74 today at the shop, out of the box it was a great looking rifle. My local dealer couldnt figure out how I found one for as cheap as I did, she said the closest her distributor could get was $599. Anyways, had a blonde stockset at home and threw it onto the rifle. It came with the NDS reciever and scope rail, ordered the rifle pre-march 15th.

Before:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/stinkyrat/0319001527.jpg?t=1269053595

After:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/stinkyrat/0319001932.jpg?t=1269053965

Threw a 60's soviet AK sling on there; the bayonet is russian as well:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/stinkyrat/0319001941.jpg?t=1269054003

With 6+ cans between two rifles, Im thinking now I'll be set.....for a while :)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/stinkyrat/0319001944.jpg?t=1269054098

Anyways thought I'd show her off,

Stinkyrat

snubbyluvr
03-20-2010, 02:58
Originally I was tempted by the recent $350 AK-74 deal from CFS. I actually ordered one early on (the first morning it was available, when they had 300 or so on hand), and then when I finally found out it didn't have a chrome-lined barrel, I refused delivery so the rifle was sent back.

But I really had the bug to get an AK-74, so when I spotted the below deal for $395, I jumped on it.
http://www.southernohiogun.com/featured-products-1/bulgarian-ak-74-545x39-cal.html

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae214/JoeLiPetri/Bulgy%20AK-74/Bulgy1.jpg

No side rail though...

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae214/JoeLiPetri/Bulgy%20AK-74/Bulgy7.jpg

I actually like both pistol grips. I think I'll keep the salmon-colored one on the second rifle.

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae214/JoeLiPetri/Bulgy%20AK-74/Bulgy5.jpg

Stinkyrat
03-22-2010, 21:17
Looks good snubby, after I put the wood set on I think Im going to save up and buy a black 74 stockset from k-var.....or just buy another 74 and put the stockset on that :)

Stinkyrat

WhySoSeriousG19
03-30-2010, 19:12
So are these worth the 370 bucks or not? I'm thinking about getting one,it would be my first rifle.

Mr.Pliskin
03-30-2010, 20:24
So are these worth the 370 bucks or not? I'm thinking about getting one,it would be my first rifle.

Spend an extra 30 and get one of TCI's truck guns, original Bulgarian AK 74, receiver and all.