Best "fighting" 1911?

[Fire_Medic]

Ok so I want to stir the cobb webs here a little. What's everyone's opinion on the best "fighting" 1911. IE: A (full size)1911 you can CCW with 100% peace of mind reliability, that you can punish with use in high round count Handguns classes, and put on your night stand as well. Basically an all around gun. The 1911 that if the SHTF you would grab over any other gun. Let's say up to the $2500 mark. I'm interested to see what opinions are out there on this.

Let's be civil here guys looking for everyone's thoughts not to start an argument.

FM :wavey:

[drc767]

Ok so I want to stir the cobb webs here a little. What's everyone's opinion on the best "fighting" 1911. IE: A (full size)1911 you can CCW with 100% peace of mind reliability, that you can punish with use in high round count Handguns classes, and put on your night stand as well. Basically an all around gun. The 1911 that if the SHTF you would grab over any other gun. Let's say around the $2K-$2500 mark. I'm interested to see what opinions are out there on this.

Let's be civil here guys looking for everyone's thoughts not to start an argument.

FM :wavey:

This is certainly a loaded (pun intended) question, but I would not even need to reach the 2k mark to fill the need you describe. I own several 1911's, from entry level SA's to a Supergrade Wilson.....I would say my Les Baer TRS is the single pistol that fills the bill for your posed question. The thing is basic, no frills and drop dead reliable. That being said, I don't use it for a nightstand gun, as it does not have a light rail. The TRS was intended for everyday carry and reliability....Baer hit a home run with this pistol, as it does exactly what it was designed to do. I love my Wilson's, but the TRS is tough to beat at its price point, in my humble opinion.

[willis68]

I have a Nighthawk that started as a GRP2 customized to be the Ultimate defensive pistol and it is. But it cost me $2720.00. It is the most reliable pistol I have ever owned, having said that for $1800.00 I have a Les Baer TRS that would fit the bill as well and is the Best 1911 on the Planet for the money :cool:

[txgolfer45]

Plenty of choices from the usual candidates. Ed Brown Special Forces or Kobra, Wilson Combat CQB, Les Baer TRS, STI Sentinel Premier, Springfield Professional or TRP, etc.

[Fire_Medic]

This is certainly a loaded (pun intended) question, but I would not even need to reach the 2k mark to fill the need you describe. I own several 1911's, from entry level SA's to a Supergrade Wilson.....I would say my Les Baer TRS is the single pistol that fills the bill for your posed question. The thing is basic, no frills and drop dead reliable. That being said, I don't use it for a nightstand gun, as it does not have a light rail. The TRS was intended for everyday carry and reliability....Baer hit a home run with this pistol, as it does exactly what it was designed to do. I love my Wilson's, but the TRS is tough to beat at its price point, in my humble opinion.

Yeah I know there's a lot in there, but I didn't want to narrow it down on purpose to "pick" everyones brain if you will. This way we can all share much more info. :supergrin:

Thanks for your response. :wavey:

[bac1023]

How about a Baer SRP?

Its a no frills fighting 1911 for sure. Of course, prices are getting closer to $3K, especially with the 1.5" accuracy option.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1716.jpg



The Wilson CQB is also a great choice in that price range.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1735.jpg

[Fire_Medic]

How about a Baer SRP?

Its a no frills fighting 1911 for sure. Of course, prices are getting closer to $3K, especially with the 1.5" accuracy option.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1716.jpg



The Wilson CQB is also a great choice in that price range.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1735.jpg

Nice pistols, what's the difference between the SRP and the TRS?

[Fire_Medic]

I have a Nighthawk that started as a GRP2 customized to be the Ultimate defensive pistol and it is. But it cost me $2720.00. It is the most reliable pistol I have ever owned, having said that for $1800.00 I have a Les Baer TRS that would fit the bill as well and is the Best 1911 on the Planet for the money :cool:

You get it new or used for that price? (TRS)

[Jim Watson]

I have a Colt worked over by a competent and conscientious but non-centerfold gunsmith that would serve very well. Smooth and accurate, and very reliable after he reamed out the @#$%^&* "minimum match chamber" to SAAMI specifications.
Total cost of gun and gunsmithing was way under $2000, but that was then.
He might now do another for less than $2000 but a full time well advertised shop would not.

[Quack]

what, no one mentioned Kimber? lol

[willis68]

You get it new or used for that price? (TRS)

Brand new $1825 delivered with no FCS

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/rovmanwillis/IMG_1339.jpg

[bac1023]

what, no one mentioned Kimber? lol


Not in that price range. :supergrin:

[Fire_Medic]

Brand new $1825 delivered with no FCS

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/rovmanwillis/IMG_1339.jpg

Nice. You order from them direct?

[willis68]

Nice. You order from them direct?

No, I got it through George Talia

[bac1023]

Nice pistols, what's the difference between the SRP and the TRS?

Not too much.

The SRP comes standard with a better finish and an better accuracy guarantee, which can be even further upgraded. It also comes with a "Tactical action job"", whatever that means. ;)

[RonS]

When I read the thread title my first thought was a GI version from SA, RIA, etc. Buy it, shoot it with hardball, if it wears out, rebuild or replace it just like real "fighting guns" like issue Garands, 1911A1s and BARs.

[bac1023]

When I read the thread title my first thought was a GI version from SA, RIA, etc. Buy it, shoot it with hardball, if it wears out, rebuild or replace it just like real "fighting guns" like issue Garands, 1911A1s and BARs.

Yeah, but most like to carry JHP ammo.

[AZ Husker]

Colt Series 70 repro worked over by Slydlok and Chuck Rogers. All Brown parts, Yost sights, bobtailed. Built specifically for hard duty...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/Arizona1911/IMG_1996.jpg

[pistolwrench]

Tracy,
Give me a call.
Chuck

[drc767]

Colt Series 70 repro worked over by Slydlok and Chuck Rogers. All Brown parts, Yost sights, bobtailed. Built specifically for hard duty...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/Arizona1911/IMG_1996.jpg

Nice pistol, but I am guessing total cost of that "worked over" pistol is well above the 2k mark? Either way, that is sweet!

[bac1023]

Colt Series 70 repro worked over by Slydlok and Chuck Rogers. All Brown parts, Yost sights, bobtailed. Built specifically for hard duty...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/Arizona1911/IMG_1996.jpg

Very nice. :)

[faawrenchbndr]

My Ed Brown works for me,.......:supergrin:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/EdBrownwithVZpicIV.jpg

[cdunn]

Berryhill custom
http://www.berryhillguns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1

[faawrenchbndr]

Berryhill custom
http://www.berryhillguns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1

That sure isn't a $2000-2500 1911! :dunno:

[ArmoryDoc]

The "best fghting handun" in a 1911 don't cost that much. The "best" is a Colt. Having said that, I would also say it isn't a 5" but the 4.25" COMBAT COMMANDER.

Good price. Able to withstand high round count, reliable and can sustain neglect with the best. That's a fighting 1911 handgun, to me.

[GJ1981]

That sure isn't a $2000-2500 1911! :dunno:

Dave Berryhill is very reasonable on his prices. I'm having a "Retro" build on a Caspain slide and frame and it will be around $2000.

Even when I had him price an AFP build it was right around $2500 with all the options I wanted with a Caspain frame and slide supplied.

[cdunn]

That sure isn't a $2000-2500 1911! :dunno:

you better check the prices his seem to be one of the best full customs for not full custom price plus add reliability,don't tell anybody its kind of a secret
afp Price: $2195 plus shipping
meusoc replica-2150
I'm currently on the wait list for an afp bobbed commander 9mm

[cdunn]

Dave Berryhill is very reasonable on his prices. I'm having a "Retro" build on a Caspain slide and frame and it will be around $2000.

Even when I had him price an AFP build it was right around $2500 with all the options I wanted with a Caspain frame and slide supplied.

damn its not a secret:supergrin:

[cdunn]

what, no one mentioned Kimber? lol

I had a kimber and would not feel comfortable suggesting one to anybody,at any price

[glock2740]

what, no one mentioned Kimber? lol

Not in that price range. :supergrin:
The Gold Combat II is close. Also would say that a TRP, even though it's below the 2K mark, is probably a pretty good "fighting gun" 1911.

[GJ1981]

damn its not a secret:supergrin:

So how long have you been on his waiting list?

Maybe we should encrypt this so the secret stays safe :supergrin:

[faawrenchbndr]

damn its not a secret:supergrin:

Holy crap,.......I never knew his prices were that good! :wow:
Need to look into those a bit more!

A MEUSOC replica would be the shiznits!

[OJ]

When I was a teen-age guy - MANY years ago - we said about girls, "They're all good - some'er just a little better" - might apply to 1911 pistols.

That said - my choices are one of these Colt's Series 70 Government Model 45 ACPs -

Made in 1970 -

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/kmastf/PISTOLS/P6300003_edited-1.jpg

Probably made in 2002 - low serial number -

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/kmastf/PISTOLS/P6300001_edited-1.jpg

Mods minor and just for my tastes -

[glock2740]

Colt Series 70 repro worked over by Slydlok and Chuck Rogers. All Brown parts, Yost sights, bobtailed. Built specifically for hard duty...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/Arizona1911/IMG_1996.jpg

My Ed Brown works for me,.......:supergrin:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/EdBrownwithVZpicIV.jpg
You gotta love Chuck's work. And those grips really look good on that KC.

[bac1023]

That sure isn't a $2000-2500 1911! :dunno:

Actually, Berryhill is very reasonably priced, compared to some others, like Yost.

[cdunn]

So how long have you been on his waiting list?

Maybe we should encrypt this so the secret stays safe :supergrin:

too late everybody knows now, I'm glad I'm allready on the list,only8 or so months left.

[Officer's Match]

My choice for exactly what the OP describes would be and is the Les Baer Super Tac Premier II. Bear Coat, combat adjustable nightsights, and the prospect of a very long life span a tightly fitted Baer can offer. The BC makes for a very smooooooth cycler too.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/IMG_0267.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/Baer/IMG_0244.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/Baer/IMG_0258.jpg

[MacG22]

Baer TRS or Springer TRP. TRP is too hard to carry, though, with the magwell.

But for me, a fighting 1911 needs to have:

1. Great beavertail for a fast, high grip.
2. Durable finish so it can get marked up, dirty, dropped, etc and no one has to report it on their homeowners or feel like they "keyed their luxury car".
3. Aggressive front strap checkering, back strap texture, and slide serrations.
4. Tight enough bushing, frame fit to be accurate but not so much that fouling will lock it up. And I've seen lots of 1911s that were so tight a little spring play or fouling locked them up.

Baer TRS and the Springer TRP really fit that bill well. There are many others as well, and both can be had for under $1,800 and $1300, respectively.

[Fire_Medic]

Colt Series 70 repro worked over by Slydlok and Chuck Rogers. All Brown parts, Yost sights, bobtailed. Built specifically for hard duty...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/Arizona1911/IMG_1996.jpg

Yeah but I have a better chance at winning the lotto than having Chuck take any more work right now.... :rofl:

VERY nice gun BTW! :wavey:

[bac1023]

TRP is too hard to carry, though, with the magwell.



Yeah, that's why I mentioned the SRP. :)


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/009-2.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/011.jpg

[drc767]

you better check the prices his seem to be one of the best full customs for not full custom price plus add reliability,don't tell anybody its kind of a secret
afp Price: $2195 plus shipping
meusoc replica-2150
I'm currently on the wait list for an afp bobbed commander 9mm

I am on his waiting list, as well, for his Advanced Fighting Pistol. I should be up in a couple months, I think....

[Fire_Medic]

When I read the thread title my first thought was a GI version from SA, RIA, etc. Buy it, shoot it with hardball, if it wears out, rebuild or replace it just like real "fighting guns" like issue Garands, 1911A1s and BARs.

For CCW there would of course be JHP in it, the rest of the time hardball or LSWC reloads.

[MADBMW]

My choice would have to be any gun built by Steve Morrison of MARS Armament, but specifically the THUG or AXIOM. He has a reputation for building extremely hard use guns with features like bonded plunder tubes and front sights. I currently have a 1918 WW1 repro with him right now for an AXIOM build. Price when done will be just south of 2000 for the work, plus 800 for the base gun.

[Fire_Medic]

Baer TRS or Springer TRP. TRP is too hard to carry, though, with the magwell.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned the SRP. :)


Why would the magwell be an issue if the magazine would still be out there anyways? :dunno:

[bac1023]

Why would the magwell be an issue if the magazine would still be out there anyways? :dunno:


It just extends the width of the frame at the bottom is all. Plus, you could always get a flush fitting mag. I don't carry it, so there's no need for me.

I don't care much for carrying 1911s with a magwell.

I do love a magwell for both looks and range use.

[Fire_Medic]

It just extends the width of the frame at the bottom is all. Plus, you could always get a flush fitting mag. I don't carry it, so there's no need for me.

I don't care much for carrying 1911s with a magwell.

I do love a magwell for both looks and range use.

Gotcha wasn't thinking on the width aspect of it, just the length. :faint:

[stooxie]

what, no one mentioned Kimber? lol

Fine, I'll bite. My Kimber Warrior goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and I would consider it to meet the OP's description. Cost me about $1,100. Should I have paid another $1,000 for the art work factor? I dunno, you said "fighting" gun not Guggenheim sculpture gun.

Kimber Warrior (http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/custom/warrior/)

If I had money to burn I'd be buying those high priced 1911's all over the place (along with a stable of motorcycles), but I would never shake the feeling that it shouldn't take $4,000 to make a 1911 as reliable as a $500 Glock/Beretta/whatever.

-Stooxie

[bac1023]

Fine, I'll bite. My Kimber Warrior goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and I would consider it to meet the OP's description. Cost me about $1,100. Should I have paid another $1,000 for the art work factor? I dunno, you said "fighting" gun not Guggenheim sculpture gun.



Whoa!

I'm as big a Kimber fan as anybody on this forum.

However, the $1000-$1500 difference between a Kimber Warrior and Baer SRP or Wilson CQB isn't art at all. Its parts and build quality.

See any fancy art work on my Wilson here? Its as plain an enhanced 1911 gets.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1871.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1735-1.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1873.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1872.jpg


Sure, its twice the price of the warrior, but a much better quality pistol.

Again, its not art, its quality.

[Quack]

didn't say anything bad about Kimber, just waiting for someone to chime in.
also waiting for the Colt people to chime in. (nvm, i see that we have a Colt entry)

Not in that price range. :supergrin:

the OP was "up to $2500" so Kimber's fit in there.
Come on now, you carry a Kimber, so don't be shy. :tongueout:

[bac1023]

the OP was "up to $2500" so Kimber's fit in there.
Come on now, you carry a Kimber, so don't be shy. :tongueout:


Yeah, I carry the Pro CDP and love it.

After all, its a lightweight. ;)

That said, its far from the best fighting 1911 under $2500. :embarassed:

[Quack]

I'm gonna nominate the Springfield Professional.

[Quack]

That said, its far from the best fighting 1911 under $2500. :embarassed:

Kimber's work for the LAPD and SIS.

[bac1023]

Volkmann makes a great combat 1911 in the $2300-$2500 range in the Combat Custom. I love mine.

He's relatively new, but he used to work for Ed Brown and I would put his work up against any of the other semi custom builders.

http://www.volkmanncustom.com/combat-custom.php


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1877.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1880.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1878.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1881.jpg

[stooxie]

Whoa!

I'm as big a Kimber fan as anybody on this forum.

However, the $1000-$1500 difference between a Kimber Warrior and Baer SRP or Wilson CQB isn't art at all. Its parts and build quality.

See any fancy art work on my Wilson here? Its as plain an enhanced 1911 gets.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1871.jpg


Sure, its twice the price of the warrior, but a much better quality pistol.

Again, its not art, its quality.

Fair enough, it's a gorgeous pistol and I have no trouble believing that it is of higher quality. I'm just saying... from an engineering perspective, if the tolerances are so tight and everything requires so much fitting, polishing and finishing than I have a very hard time believing that being smashed around by firing .45ACP rounds will somehow never change any of that?

I'm not the leading expert around here, if you say it does then I'll respect that.

-Stooxie

[bac1023]

I'm gonna nominate the Springfield Professional.

Yeah, that would be a great choice.

But since I don't own one, I can't speak from extended experience. I'd like to pick one up at some point, but I'm more into the full custom scene now.

[Fire_Medic]

Volkmann makes a great combat 1911 in the $2300-$2500 range in the Combat Custom. I love mine.

He's relatively new, but he used to work for Ed Brown and I would put his work up against any of the other semi custom builders.

http://www.volkmanncustom.com/combat-custom.php


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1877.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1880.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1878.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1881.jpg

Looks a whole lot like the Wilson you pictured as well.
:supergrin:

[Fire_Medic]

I'm gonna nominate the Springfield Professional.

I'm VERY surprised no one had mentioned one before you did.

[Quack]

same here.

if it meets the FBI's spec's, then that should be a pretty good sign.
I don't own one yet, but would like to add one to the family.

[Quack]

Looks a whole lot like the Wilson you pictured as well.
:supergrin:

too bad they all have FCS :tongueout::rofl:

[Fire_Medic]

too bad they all have FCS :tongueout::rofl:

They're actually growing on me, and do have a use. :whistling:

[willis68]

They're actually growing on me, and do have a use. :whistling:

I hate the looks, but they do have 2 uses that I can think of
1. Press checks, I can do this without them
2. Tearing into Leather holsters

I just think they ruin the look of a 1911, that is my opinion

[bac1023]

Fair enough, it's a gorgeous pistol and I have no trouble believing that it is of higher quality. I'm just saying... from an engineering perspective, if the tolerances are so tight and everything requires so much fitting, polishing and finishing than I have a very hard time believing that being smashed around by firing .45ACP rounds will somehow never change any of that?

I'm not the leading expert around here, if you say it does then I'll respect that.

-Stooxie

Thanks.

Hey, I carry a Kimber, so that alone will tell you that I'm a firm believer in them. I also own a couple other Kimbers that I donb't carry and love both of them too.

However, as with almost every production 1911, they use a great deal of injection molded parts. I personally never had an issue with them, but others have.

As far as accuracy is concerned, I would need a bench rest to see much of a difference between my Kimber Custom II and Wilson CQB. My Kimber Super Match can shoot just as well as my Wilson, but wasn't much cheaper either.


Here are mine.



Custom II

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2542.jpg



Pro CDP II - My EDC

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2245.jpg



Super Match II

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1752.jpg

[Quack]

all these guns and bac1023 doesn't have a Ransom Rest? :tongueout:

[Fire_Medic]

all these guns and bac1023 doesn't have a Ransom Rest? :tongueout:

No I think he owns a range that uses one...... :devildance:

[bac1023]

Looks a whole lot like the Wilson you pictured as well.
:supergrin:

Yep.

I did a comparison range report on those too a while back in the same way I did one between the Valor and TRP.

Here you go. :)


http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=951937

[bac1023]

all these guns and bac1023 doesn't have a Ransom Rest? :tongueout:

:rofl:

No, I still need one of those. :)

[cdunn]

right now I have 2 100% 1911 a s&w pd and a colt 1991A1 that I've fit a couple [arts for me.
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/motorcycle/1911s%20and%20others/DSCN9516.jpg
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/motorcycle/1911s%20and%20others/Picture022.jpg
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/motorcycle/1911s%20and%20others/DSCN9518.jpg

[Officer's Match]

They're actually growing on me, and do have a use. :whistling:

Me too, but very selectively. I actually like the fine and sharp serrations Baer uses, but not so much wider ones.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/Baer/IMG_0258.jpg

[bac1023]

I prefer 1911s without FCS, but they certainly don't ruin it for me.

[Fire_Medic]

Me too, but very selectively. I actually like the fine and sharp serrations Baer uses, but not so much wider ones.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/Baer/IMG_0258.jpg

I agree here. :wavey:

[GJ1981]

Can't go wrong with a CQB or SA Professional :supergrin:

I bought new grips lately so I felt a picture from my crappy camera was in order :tongueout:



http://i41.tinypic.com/fjqh5c.jpg

[glock2740]

Whoa!

I'm as big a Kimber fan as anybody on this forum.

However, the $1000-$1500 difference between a Kimber Warrior and Baer SRP or Wilson CQB isn't art at all. Its parts and build quality.

See any fancy art work on my Wilson here? Its as plain an enhanced 1911 gets.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1871.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1735-1.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1873.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1872.jpg


Sure, its twice the price of the warrior, but a much better quality pistol.

Again, its not art, its quality.
Another good looking gun you got there :thumbsup:...as usual .

[DaBigBR]

I would also vote for the Springer Pro...might come in just a little over the $2,500 target, though...but man are they sweet.

After some trigger time:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l99/DaBigBR/1911ALSMod/100_3384.jpg

(I'm not much of a photographer)

[Officer's Match]

Another good looking gun you got there :thumbsup:...as usual .

Now that you mention it he does have a few. :whistling:

[HAIL CAESAR]

Buying a slightly used Colt Government so the original buyer takes the depreciation. Why Colt? Because at there price range they have the best parts that you won't have to replace, thus saving you money.

Then sent it to a good smith with a total understanding about what you want. A total reliable combat gun. No fancy horsecrap, no fancy slide serrations, goof ball cuts, recessed crowns and fluted barrels.

Just a total reliability job!

Good sights you can see. It is up to you if you want regular, gold bead front, or night sights.

I highly recommend John Harrison for this. He de-Baer'ed a Baer for me and it is totally a workhorse now.

You shouldn't have anywhere near $2,500 in the thing.

Heck, I have less than $2,500 in this...
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/_JBP1541.jpg

[Officer's Match]

Buying a slightly used Colt Government so the original buyer takes the depreciation. Why Colt? Because at there price range they have the best parts that you won't have to replace, thus saving you money.

Then sent it to a good smith with a total understanding about what you want. A total reliable combat gun. No fancy horsecrap, no fancy slide serrations, goof ball cuts, recessed crowns and fluted barrels.

Just a total reliability job!

Good sights you can see. It is up to you if you want regular, gold bead front, or night sights.

I highly recommend John Harrison for this. He de-Baer'ed a Baer for me and it is totally a workhorse now.

You shouldn't have anywhere near $2,500 in the thing.

Heck, I have less than $2,500 in this...
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/_JBP1541.jpg

Super Tac with fixed sights or PII Ion bonded?

[MD357]

My choices would be a Wilson CQB, Baer TRS, or Springfield PRO. :cool:

[HAIL CAESAR]

Super Tac with fixed sights or PII Ion bonded?

PII Ionbonded. I only spent the money on this finish as I can rust plastic.:supergrin:

[Officer's Match]

PII Ionbonded. I only spent the money on this finish as I can rust plastic.:supergrin:

I like the rear sight. What is it?

[HAIL CAESAR]

It's John Harrison's sight that fits the Bomar cut and replaces the adjustable sight with a fixed.

You can get them from Harrison or Brownells.

[ronin.45]

There are so many good guns in that price range. I would be happy with a Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, Brown, etc. Since I have to choose I'll go with the one I've shot the most. SA Pro.

[hatidua]

Springer PRO with ambi removed for me -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/prohand.jpg

[willis68]

Springer PRO with ambi removed for me -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/prohand.jpg

Very Nice :cool:

[Glockdude1]

http://i26.tinypic.com/fatnqb.jpg

:supergrin:

[bac1023]

Great pics :)

[Jim Watson]

I was very impressed by the one Springfield Custom Carry I ever saw.

[HAIL CAESAR]

After talking to Firemedic ( between fire calls sirens :ffighter:) for a hour tonight I have these impressions.

1. Very nice young man.

2. He has a lot of experience with 1911's and other guns. Just came back to the ole' slab sides as the "best" gun for him.

3. Has done a lot of homework.

4. Has taken the time and the expense to receive training. So now he has a vast leap over most with working knowledge and a basic understanding of what is needed for equipment (and what is fluff). Plus he is practicing to know what do do if he ever unfortunately has to do it.

5. Knows exactly what his needs are...plus a few "wants".

6. He knows that fancy Woolly Mammoth or Brontosaurus bone grips don't make a fighting gun. Neither do blood grooves and goofy bell slide cuts.:rofl:

7. Truly wants a "fighting" and training gun.

8. Knows exactly what the spec's of the 1911 he wants. He just has to decide the avenue to achieve the desired gun.

I can't wait to see the final results and the avenue he went with.

He has a couple of paths to take and they are all very good. And all are really his own ideas, so I have no idea if I helped him out a bit.:embarassed:

[triggerjerk]

Is there another 1911 as tested as much the SA PRO?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_144_24/ai_57886947/?tag=content;col1

[Officer's Match]

I was very impressed by the one Springfield Custom Carry I ever saw.

Mine's not a Custom Carry, but along with my new Super Tac, my SA Customshop Marksman is definitely one of my favorite 1911's.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/IMG_0272.jpg

[flynlead]

Thanks.

Hey, I carry a Kimber, so that alone will tell you that I'm a firm believer in them. I also own a couple other Kimbers that I donb't carry and love both of them too.

However, as with almost every production 1911, they use a great deal of injection molded parts. I personally never had an issue with them, but others have.

As far as accuracy is concerned, I would need a bench rest to see much of a difference between my Kimber Custom II and Wilson CQB. My Kimber Super Match can shoot just as well as my Wilson, but wasn't much cheaper either.


Here are mine.



Custom II

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2542.jpg



Pro CDP II - My EDC

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2245.jpg



Super Match II

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1752.jpg

I have the same custom II and it is what I carry. My wife has the kimber ultra II and we have just under 1,000 rounds each in them without one issue. I think the custom II is a very good gun for the money. You can make any 1911 a good reliable fighting gun. Buy a low end gun and let a gunsmith work it over or buy a mid range and pay a little to a smith to fine tune it. I don't think there are really any BAD 1911's to speak of, it just boils down to money because a good reliable gun will have some work done to it.

[Fire_Medic]

After talking to Firemedic ( between fire calls sirens :ffighter:) for a hour tonight I have these impressions.

1. Very nice young man.

2. He has a lot of experience with 1911's and other guns. Just came back to the ole' slab sides as the "best" gun for him.

3. Has done a lot of homework.

4. Has taken the time and the expense to receive training. So now he has a vast leap over most with working knowledge and a basic understanding of what is needed for equipment (and what is fluff). Plus he is practicing to know what do do if he ever unfortunately has to do it.

5. Knows exactly what his needs are...plus a few "wants".

6. He knows that fancy Woolly Mammoth or Brontosaurus bone grips don't make a fighting gun. Neither do blood grooves and goofy bell slide cuts.:rofl:

7. Truly wants a "fighting" and training gun.

8. Knows exactly what the spec's of the 1911 he wants. He just has to decide the avenue to achieve the desired gun.

I can't wait to see the final results and the avenue he went with.

He has a couple of paths to take and they are all very good. And all are really his own ideas, so I have no idea if I helped him out a bit.:embarassed:


Thanks for the kind words and your time on the phone today, was a very pleasant conversation. I have a few steps to take care of and a couple of phone calls to make but I will definitely keep you posted. I have no where near as much experience with 1911's as many others here but enough experiences to know what I want and don't want. The purpose of this thread for me was just to pick the brains of the usual suspects around here and get a take on my intended purpose for it, vs what's the prettiest 1911 and what not. You very rarely see people discussing these guns for "fighting" purposes so I thought a change of pace would be nice and also get me some feedback in the process. A few of the guns I suspected would be mentioned were, some where not, and one not as much as I thought it would be.

Sorry about the interruptions in our conversation ;)

[HAIL CAESAR]

Thanks for the kind words and your time on the phone today, was a very pleasant conversation. I have a few steps to take care of and a couple of phone calls to make but I will definitely keep you posted.

Sorry about the interruptions in our conversation ;)

Anytime, anytime. Can't wait till you find your way to "your gun".

The interruption was great! ""Blah, blah, blah, 1911, blah..(Woop-woop siren) gotta go!!!"":rofl:

[Fire_Medic]

Anytime, anytime. Can't wait till you find your way to "your gun".

The interruption was great! ""Blah, blah, blah, 1911, blah..(Woop-woop siren) gotta go!!!"":rofl:


:animlol:

[den888]

Colt Combat Commander - full magazine capacity, shorter than a full size and more reliable than an Officer's model...

[majette]

http://i26.tinypic.com/fatnqb.jpg

:supergrin:

a BIG +1 on the MC Operator. my quest for a .45 started and ended with one, even after shooting custom and special .45 that retailed for 2x the price.

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory10.php

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/images/SPhg_story10A_544.jpg

also, from a sof mag review in 2008:

News Flash Just before we went to print, Springfield notified me that it had received a contract from the USMC for an additional 150 Model 1911 pistols for MEU (SOC) through a sole–source purchase. Pursuant to Firearms Requisition (FAR)5.101 (A) (1) one hundred fifty Springfield 1911 Pistols are to be furnished to MEU (SOC). Based on the Springfield Pro (the model adopted by the FBI) the pistol will have the following features:
Integral Frame Rail made to M1913 specifications.
Hand–fitted slide/barrel/frame.
Nowlin Match barrel.
Novak LoMount Night Sights.
Standard recoil spring system.
Lowered and flared ejection port.
Ambidextrous, extended thumb safety.
Extended “beavertail” grip safety.
Checkered flat mainspring housing.
Lanyard loop.
Aluminum, adjustable trigger.
Carry/bevel exterior.
Pachmayr Wrap–Around Grips.
MilSpec, Parkerized finish.
Wilson 8–round magazine.


if it is a good enough fighting pistol for our current devil dogs, it is more than good enough for this former one!

[Mamaluke]

The "best fghting handun" in a 1911 don't cost that much. The "best" is a Colt. Having said that, I would also say it isn't a 5" but the 4.25" COMBAT COMMANDER.

Good price. Able to withstand high round count, reliable and can sustain neglect with the best. That's a fighting 1911 handgun, to me.

There's your winner!

[PhoneCop]

Ok so I want to stir the cobb webs here a little. What's everyone's opinion on the best "fighting" 1911. IE: A (full size)1911 you can CCW with 100% peace of mind reliability, that you can punish with use in high round count Handguns classes, and put on your night stand as well. Basically an all around gun. The 1911 that if the SHTF you would grab over any other gun. Let's say up to the $2500 mark. I'm interested to see what opinions are out there on this.

Let's be civil here guys looking for everyone's thoughts not to start an argument.

FM :wavey:

Mine. :supergrin: Kimber Supermatch II, with Dawson Precision fiber optic frotn sight and VZ Grip's Operators II. Mighty fine, mighty fine.

[coal]

Ok so I want to stir the cobb webs here a little. What's everyone's opinion on the best "fighting" 1911. IE: A (full size)1911 you can CCW with 100% peace of mind reliability, that you can punish with use in high round count Handguns classes, and put on your night stand as well. Basically an all around gun. The 1911 that if the SHTF you would grab over any other gun. Let's say up to the $2500 mark. I'm interested to see what opinions are out there on this.

Let's be civil here guys looking for everyone's thoughts not to start an argument.

FM :wavey:

I believe 5" is main the requirement. That said, past a certain point, IMO, you are really paying more to get "more gun", but not a gun that is more reliable.

$1k is my realistic budget on any one gun; and that's actually more than I've paid. My choices at the very upper end of my price range would be a (used) Dan Wesson, SA TRP or Les Bear. I've handled each of these and can easily tell the difference in craftsmanship. I can't speak above that price point.

Honestly, the SA Loaded I had ran absolutely anything, with any mag. It was a bit loose, accuracy was not steller in 1911 terms, but it ran and ran. It was <$525 OTD use. I did not care about marks or wear. Sold it when I got my 4" Kimber as I really wanted a tack-driver 1911 as any of my Glocks run as well as that SA.

Now, as with Bac, my CCW 1911 is a 4" Kimber. Mine's an all-steel Compact Stainless I; always wanted one. I just can't accept a FP block in a 1911. Currenly, my only 1911 as I've been down-sizing. So, it's my 1911 shooter and CCW. Crazy accurate for a 4". Great gun. Junked that plastic MSH. Replaced the FLGR with a Commander, slide stop with black non-MIM and thumb safety with black non-MIM Colt/GI style (not pictured). Plastic trigger is next on my list to replace, and, eventually, the grips. Can be finiky with LSWC though. Ball & HP 100%. It's a great, great 4" .45acp shooter.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=184696&d=1257925879
That said, the lighter CDP Compact would be my choice as a CCW-only 1911.

Others with greater funds and experience have shared better high end 1911 opinions. Nice pics, too. Good luck with your search. Looking forward to your purchase. :thumbsup:

[mike55]

The best fighting gun is the one in your hand.

[RetailNinja]

The "best" fighting 1911 is the one that the owner trusts. Bells, whistles, customization to the individual owners tastes all form that one 1911.

Personally I would not want to be a BG in house with any of the 1911s pictured/mentioned pointing at me.

[BlayGlock]

My EDC is a Springfield LtWt Champion Operator, has not missed a beat in over 2000 rounds, hardball, LSWC, HP. It is a cool looking gun to IMO.

I went through the same dilema, ended up ordering a Springfield Custom Carry. It should be here in 6 more months.

[John Brown]

The best fighting 1911?

Silly question, but one that goes bang when you pull the trigger, and hits what you point it at, would be my answer.

[willis68]

The best fighting 1911?

Silly question, but one that goes bang when you pull the trigger, and hits what you point it at, would be my answer.

:cool:

[willowofwisp]

IMO...either a Les Baer 1911 or a Hilton Yam 1911.

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/postimages/89349-Alpha_L-Full1_1024.jpg
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/postimages/90025-Bravo_L_1024.jpg

I have heard his 1911's can be ran from hell to back....heck he just did a review on a 1911 he built that went 1k rounds w/o any lube ro cleaning at all!

[stooxie]

I have heard his 1911's can be ran from hell to back....heck he just did a review on a 1911 he built that went 1k rounds w/o any lube ro cleaning at all!

With all due respect, 1k w/o any lube or cleaning? Yawn. Any service pistol should be able to go thousands of rounds without spa treatment. You sure it wasn't 10k? You see 10k round Sig/Glock/whatever torture tests all the time.

-Stooxie

[cdunn]

With all due respect, 1k w/o any lube or cleaning? Yawn. Any service pistol should be able to go thousands of rounds without spa treatment. You sure it wasn't 10k? You see 10k round Sig/Glock/whatever torture tests all the time.

-Stooxie
he's right 1k is nothing,I've got 400 through my just rebuilt,slightly moded colt,and I'm not going to clean it until a malfunction, which will hopefully be WAY OVER 1K rounds.so I guess for me mine is the best fighting 1911:cool:
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/motorcycle/1911s%20and%20others/DSCN9516.jpg

[Rinspeed]

I can see running 1000 rounds through a pistol without cleaning but not adding a little lube after several hundred rounds is just silly and proves nothing.

[faawrenchbndr]

I can see running 1000 rounds through a pistol without cleaning but not adding a little lube after several hundred rounds is just silly and proves nothing.

Oh come on,.......you don't see a shoot out every day that lasts 1k rounds?
They got no time to clean,....or lube!



:rofl:

[drc767]

I can see running 1000 rounds through a pistol without cleaning but not adding a little lube after several hundred rounds is just silly and proves nothing.

Agreed.....it proves nothing. It is like saying, I am going to run my new car for 50,000 miles before I change the oil. It makes no sense and proves nothing.

[MD357]

I can see running 1000 rounds through a pistol without cleaning but not adding a little lube after several hundred rounds is just silly and proves nothing.

Obivously, Glock and Sig "Operators" routinely engage in 10K round gunfights.


Geez, shows how much you know.

[Brian Brazier]

In my collection it would have to be my Smith

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/bbrazierkendo/MySmith1.jpg

But if I had the money I would get a Wilson CQB with no FCS (I think you can order it that way)

[Brian Brazier]

Obivously, Glock and Sig "Operators" routinely engage in 10K round gunfights.


Geez, shows how much you know.

:rofl:

[Screaming .357G]

My Les Baer TRS. No contest.

[bac1023]

In my collection it would have to be my Smith

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/bbrazierkendo/MySmith1.jpg

But if I had the money I would get a Wilson CQB with no FCS (I think you can order it that way)


Brian, it looks great with those new grips. :thumbsup:

[willowofwisp]

With all due respect, 1k w/o any lube or cleaning? Yawn. Any service pistol should be able to go thousands of rounds without spa treatment. You sure it wasn't 10k? You see 10k round Sig/Glock/whatever torture tests all the time.

-Stooxie

The gun had no lube on it at all...it was completely degreased before reassembly...so i think that's pretty good for a 1911...running without any lube or oil at all just bare metal and we all know a 1911 isn't a sig or a glock.

here is his thread

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=90373&an=0&page=0#90373

[bac1023]

The gun had no lube on it at all...it was completely degreased before reassembly...so i think that's pretty good for a 1911...running without any lube or oil at all just bare metal and we all know a 1911 isn't a sig or a glock.

here is his thread

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=90373&an=0&page=0#90373

That's almost akin to a car running without oil for 1000 miles. ;)






...well maybe not quite. :embarassed:

[willowofwisp]

That's almost akin to a car running without oil for 1000 miles. ;)






...well maybe not quite. :embarassed:

yea...except a car would go maybe make it 1-5 miles

[bac1023]

yea...except a car would go maybe make it 1-5 miles

:rofl:

Very true. :)

[stooxie]

and we all know a 1911 isn't a sig or a glock

Glad you said it first! $2500 to do what $500 will do...

I think we should start anoher thread-- who's $800 1911 runs just fine without being a Wilson CQB?

-Stooxie

[Tactical black]

Anyone ever test a dollar comparison 1911 to a glock or sig in some kind of torture test?

[agtman]

*** What's everyone's opinion on the best "fighting" 1911. IE: A (full size)1911 you can CCW with 100% peace of mind reliability, ***


Obviously, the one that's proven itself in a real fight ... :whistling:

From WWII: Old School is still cool - and effective.
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/WelcometoRemingtonRandduringWWII-19.jpg

A Colt Model 1911 used in WWI (1918).
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/Colt-14.jpg

Can still get it done: two mags, 14-rds, 45-feet.
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/Colt-T1.jpg

:cool:

[stooxie]

Wow... Game. Set. Match.

And weren't those things pretty loose to aid reliability?

-Stooxie

[bac1023]

Wow... Game. Set. Match.

And weren't those things pretty loose to aid reliability?

-Stooxie

They were fairly loose, yes.

[John Brown]

These threads always end up as "my dad can beat up your dad" gibberish.

Ho hum.

[Brian Brazier]

Brian, it looks great with those new grips. :thumbsup:

Thanks Bac, I picked them up here for $15, it is amazing how much the grips can change a 1911. I would still like to try the Smith Ivory with S&W medallions, Davidson Horned Lizards, and Radial both in black and gray

[glock2740]

:rofl:

No, I still need one of those. :)
Yeah you do.

[84S]

I have been putting a lot of rounds through my 1974 Colt series 70 Gov't model lately. I picked it up at my local shop off consignment. It has been nothing but a solid performer and accurate shooter. I shoot it well and it works, so I would trust my life with it...

[Thorazine]

The 1911 that if the SHTF you would grab over any other gun. Let's say up to the $2500 mark.

Any nineteen eleven that can fight my way to my rifle. :supergrin:

[agtman]

They were fairly loose, yes.

Yep.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/Colt-24.jpg

A vintage 1911 like this one is nowhere near as tight as, say, a Wilson or Nighthawk, or even a stock Springfield GI, ... but it's certainly "combat accurate." ;)

:cool:

[deadite]

Obviously, the one that's proven itself in a real fight ... :whistling:

A Colt Model 1911 used in WWI (1918).
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/Colt-14.jpg

Nice! Here's my USGI Colt from 1918:

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0443.jpg

deadite

[ki4dmh]

The best one is of course the one that goes bang every time just like the op stated. I have enjoyed and have complete faith in my 700 buck Para SSP. It hasn't failed me yet.

[Arby238]

I have a stainless Springfield loaded that has not given me any trouble, but if the SHTF I will grab my Glock.

[agtman]

Nice! Here's my USGI Colt from 1918:
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0443.jpg
deadite

Very nice, Deadite! :cool:

[deadite]

Very nice, Deadite! :cool:

Thanks, agtman! :)

deadite

[Tactical black]

Nice! Here's my USGI Colt from 1918:

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0443.jpg

deadite

That is pretty cool:cool:

[deadite]

That is pretty cool:cool:

Thanks!:supergrin:

deadite

[Brian Brazier]

I have a stainless Springfield loaded that has not given me any trouble, but if the SHTF I will grab my Glock.

Why not your Springer? :dunno: