View Full Version : Advice Please Bushy or Colt AR-15?
obiestreasures
03-15-2010, 06:06
I want to add a AR15 to the Glock family here is my question , thinking of either a Bushmaster BMBC WA3S or a Colt LE 6920 now the cost between the Bushy and the Colt is about $200. more and Iam willing to pay that if its worth it. Now a few of my friends have the Bushy, one has the A2 and the other fellow has the A3 and they like them very much. I would like to see what you folks think of the two makes and any ideas of a better model than those two?
Thanks I value the opinions on here, this forum has helped me a bunch with my glocks.
Thanks
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 06:11
I've owned both and never had any issues with either.
I would chose the Colt over the Bushmaster.
I don't know that a Colt is $200 better than a Bushmaster.
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 07:00
I don't know that a Colt is $200 better than a Bushmaster.
Is a Cadillac worth $200+ more than a Buick?:whistling:
I don't know that a Colt is $200 better than a Bushmaster.
The Bushmaster is a fine AR, but yes, the Colt is $200 better than a Bushmaster.
Goldendog Redux
03-15-2010, 08:20
Whatever AR you own-you will always want a colt. Unless of course you buy a Colt now.
MF
GlockWheeler
03-15-2010, 09:42
I would get the Colt over any Bushmaster without thinking twice (if you have the extra cash). I have had a number of Bushmaster carbines with improperly indexed barrels and while that probably isn't that big of a deal with some people I will say that I have never had a single issue with any of the Colt rifles I have owned.
RyanNREMTP
03-15-2010, 11:43
Are they the same in everything except the name?
Is the barrels the same length?
Is the twist rate the same?
Is one a flat top or fixed handle?
And so on.
If they are the same then personally I'd go with the Colt. I own a Colt and have shot a Bushmaster and enjoyed both.
In the end, it's all up to you.
DaveCharlie09
03-15-2010, 11:45
Go see "The Chart" you will go with a Colt.
Get the Bushy. Colts are slop. Pick up 500rds with the difference.
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 12:26
Get the Bushy. Colts are slop. Pick up 500rds with the difference.
Did YOU ever figure out exactly what it was YOU bought?!:whistling:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Did YOU ever figure out exactly what it was YOU bought?!:whistling:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Yeah, pretty sure since I ordered it from the source. :tongueout: Edit...oh wait...arent you the guy that didnt know Noveske isnt able to stamp the VLTOR uppers with his cross? I think Caesar had to educate you, didnt he? LOL. 10,500 posts and you would think you would have known that. Maybe if you spent more time shooting rather than posting? ROFL.
Go see "The Chart" you will go with a Colt. +1 on "The Chart"
Pretty big difference between the 2.
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 12:56
Yeah, pretty sure since I ordered it from the source. :tongueout: Edit...oh wait...arent you the guy that didnt know Noveske isnt able to stamp the VLTOR uppers with his cross? I think Caesar had to educate you, didnt he? LOL. 10,500 posts and you would think you would have known that. Maybe if you spent more time shooting rather than posting? ROFL.
I do believe you got that a bit backwards there slick!:whistling:
Get he colt and don't look back. All else aside if you get a good enough price on the colt you'll probably never loose much if any money on it if you ever choose to sell it. The colt will hold its value.
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 13:13
Yeah, pretty sure since I ordered it from the source. :tongueout: Edit...oh wait...arent you the guy that didnt know Noveske isnt able to stamp the VLTOR uppers with his cross? I think Caesar had to educate you, didnt he? LOL. 10,500 posts and you would think you would have known that. Maybe if you spent more time shooting rather than posting? ROFL.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1190352
Originally Posted by Kegel
Noveske. End of discussion. Just received my Recce today. Really f'n nice.
One thing though....you know how Noveske laser engraves 1/2 the Noveske logo on the upper and 1/2 on the lower? Well, mine doesnt have that. WTF?
You wish to continue............Kegel?
Didn't think so!:whistling:
thisaway
03-15-2010, 13:34
I suggest the Colt.
Colt 6920 for only $200 over Bushmaster isnt a decision.. its a joke.
Obie,
Since you did refer to opinions of other brands in you original post,
I would like to recommend BCM's.
There are plenty of post on the forum here about Bravo Co's AR's,
so I won't get long winded here, but say that I own a Colt and a
BCM.
The BCM mid-length is a fine shooter and I like the mid-length
better than the carbine system. The quality is every bit as good
as my Colt and the service and warranty from Bravo is excellent.
Can't argue that Colt, Noveske, LMT are all top of the line weapons,
but research the forum about BCM's and go to their website and
check them out. Good luck.
stopatrain
03-15-2010, 14:07
A few years ago I was looking at the the Colt vs Bushmaster and bought the Bushmaster.
It has been flawless but it wasn't a Colt and last month I bought a 6920. I wish I had done that in the first place. There are other good AR's on the market now but 10-20 yrs from now they will be gone and Colt will still be around.
I guess I'm sitting here wondering why you have 2 threads here within 2 days asking pretty much the exact same question.
RUSH2112
03-15-2010, 15:08
I'm not trying to be offensive and I hope this doesn't come across that way, but if you don't know the difference in quality between a colt and bushy then you owe it to yourself to take your time and consider a few additional options, such as BCM and Spike's Tactical.
I've said this before, there's nothing wrong with Bushmaster other than the price. For the same money you can get a higher quality AR.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1190352
You wish to continue............Kegel?
Didn't think so!:whistling:
YES.....I would like to continue. What a newb. ROFL.
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DaYUmn Yuppies,.......bet my Colt will outshoot his "so called" Noveske!
Guess he wasn't smart enough to realize he did not but a Noveske ASSEMBLED rifle! :rofl:
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In zippies defense he did get a complete assembled factory Noveske. He got a Vltor upper and Noveske is not allowed to mark them with the cross.
We had to explain that to him too.:whistling: (THIS WAS CAESAR)
Now stop posting for a few minutes and go shoot your colt. Just watch for exploding BCG's. LOL.
SIGShooter
03-15-2010, 16:35
Colt is the way to go.
My LE6920 is a workhorse. Absolutely no problems with it at all.
All this talk from some of you guys…Back it up with some proof instead of just injecting crap into this thread.
faawrenchbndr
03-15-2010, 16:43
....Now stop posting for a few minutes and go shoot your colt. Just watch for exploding BCG's......
Thanks for the tip. :upeyes:
RyanNREMTP
03-15-2010, 18:59
I'm sure this part of the thread is answering every question the OP has.
Whatever AR you own-you will always want a colt. Unless of course you buy a Colt now.
MF
A bunch of ARs here, no Colt. Don't want one. No desire to get one.:supergrin:
pennlineman
03-15-2010, 19:24
For the extra $200 I'm another that would go with the Colt. But you may also want to check out Bravo Company, good stuff there too. Good luck.
A bunch of ARs here, no Colt. Don't want one. No desire to get one.:supergrin:
No doubt. Why take 2 steps back? Overrated junk.
Navitimer
03-15-2010, 20:36
Bushies are nice, but go with the Colt.
No doubt. Why take 2 steps back? Overrated junk.
I don't buy Colt ARs for personal reason, and it has nothing to do with their quality, which is excellent.
pennlineman
03-15-2010, 22:26
No doubt. Why take 2 steps back? Overrated junk.
A lot of strong talk about your disapproval of Colt products. I'm just wondering if you have anything to back it up. You know, real life experience, stuff based on your own observations. Not just something you've read or heard someone else say. Do you have any thoughts on the subject that you have formulated on your own? I have my doubts.
About 3 months ago you you made a post thanking all the folks on here for helping you select your AR. That you knew very little about them until joining this forum. http://glocktalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=5366421&pp=50&page=2 Interesting, so in three months you've become an expert? Not hardly. You choose a Noveske, nice choice, fine carbine. But remember the weapon is only as good as the man behind it. There are a lot of folks on here I'd rather side with even if they were armed with nothing but Highpoint carbines than an armchair commando with a Noveske.
I have several AR's from the Colt down to the lowly DPMS. I even have a Century Arms A2 build which I am not ashamed to admit is the most accurate AR I own. I like them all, but some are better than others. I have a lot of faith in my S&W MP-15. So the issue of me being a gun snob should be put to rest. However, out of all of them I'd grab the Colt in times of trouble. And for the record there are several high quality AR's out there made by folks other than Colt.
In the AF I worked in weapons training and maintenance for nearly nine years, I was the unit armorer in my Army National Guard unit until I retired. Over a 20 year career I inspected thousands of M-16's and witnessed the firing of 100's of thousands rounds through these M-16's. Fired a few hundred of the rifles personally, putting tens of thousands of rounds down range myself. I've seen them run very hard, ran some of them hard myself. Most all of them were Colts, we had a few of the old Armalites still in the inventory. I can tell anyone who is interested that Colt makes a damn fine weapon. Overall the breakdowns with these weapons were few and far in between. I lived this, The opinions expressed here are my own. I didn't read it on the internet like some of the "experts" out there. Sound like anyone you know? Got a mirror handy?
But what do I know, you seem to be the authority on the quality of Colt AR's. :rofl: I find you to be a very amusing individual.
Goldendog Redux
03-15-2010, 22:36
About 3 months ago you you made a post thanking all the folks on here for helping you select your AR. That you knew very little about them until joining this forum. http://glocktalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=5366421&pp=50&page=2 Interesting, so in three months you've become an expert? Not hardly. You choose a Noveske, nice choice, fine carbine. But remember the weapon is only as good as the man behind it. There are a lot of folks on here I'd rather side with even if they were armed with nothing but Highpoint carbines than an armchair commando with a Noveske.
Quality post.
As with all puchases I make, I did my research and yes, I did handle and fire a Colt. I was left unimpressed with its quality of construction and overall finish. Did it fire? Yes. I consider the quality of constuction on every piece of equiptment i purchase, whether its a rifle, stereo equiptment, car...you name it. I dont have a problem with COlt. I do have a problem with people that will put a Colt in the same class as other top tier manufacturers. A Noveske, Larue etc are all custom shops and as expected produce a finer firearm than a mass produced colt. Theyt should be. They are more expensive. They have better parts and without question, are constructed to finer tolerances. Anyone can verify this by simply holding and inspecting one. If you want to make an argument on a cost/benefit basis, that is valid but for someone to say blindly that a Colt is the best is doing other first time buyers an injustice.
I cant remember who it was but someone pointed out that Noveskes and others come with a mid length gas tube. This is what sold me in the end. A colt does not have this option and are all carbine length. Nobody points this out to others looking for advice and I think its more important than any other factor.
I liken this colt vs XXXXD debate to the old Corvette vs 911 debate. Sure a Vette can keep up with a 911 but honestly...which would you rather drive. Money no object, of course.
Oh...I would be willing to bet 99% of the posters on this board are "armchair commandos". I never claimed to be anything but. I admire finely made machined tools and those that have the skill to put them together. I also enjoy shooting. Perfect match.
pennlineman
03-15-2010, 22:56
Fair enough.
Officer's Match
03-15-2010, 23:00
As with all puchases I make, I did my research and yes, I did handle and fire a Colt. I was left unimpressed with its quality of construction and overall finish. Did it fire? Yes. I consider the quality of constuction on every piece of equiptment i purchase, whether its a rifle, stereo equiptment, car...you name it. I dont have a problem with COlt. I do have a problem with people that will put a Colt in the same class as other top tier manufacturers. A Noveske, Larue etc are all custom shops and as expected produce a finer firearm than a mass produced colt. Theyt should be. They are more expensive. They have better parts and without question, are constructed to finer tolerances. Anyone can verify this by simply holding and inspecting one. If you want to make an argument on a cost/benefit basis, that is valid but for someone to say blindly that a Colt is the best is doing other first time buyers an injustice.
I cant remember who it was but someone pointed out that Noveskes and others come with a mid length gas tube. This is what sold me in the end. A colt does not have this option and are all carbine length. Nobody points this out to others looking for advice and I think its more important than any other factor.
I liken this colt vs XXXXD debate to the old Corvette vs 911 debate. Sure a Vette can keep up with a 911 but honestly...which would you rather drive. Money no object, of course.
Oh...I would be willing to bet 99% of the posters on this board are "armchair commandos". I never claimed to be anything but. I admire finely made machined tools and those that have the skill to put them together. I also enjoy shooting. Perfect match.
Corvette for absolute certain.
Mongosafari
03-15-2010, 23:39
Would you prefer to have the Bushmaster Snake or the Little Colt Horse?
I have 2 newer Bushmasters, a 1979 Colt SP-1 and a half Colt (upper) AR15A1 so the comparisons may not be fair.
Colt usually has a higher resale value if that matters.
ArmoryDoc
03-16-2010, 00:16
I own Colt and BCM. You owe it to yourself to check out BCM in addition to the Colt, as BCM makes some fine stuff indeed.
faawrenchbndr
03-16-2010, 05:02
Friends don't let friends feed trolls!
I have the Colt LE6920 and 6940, I prefer Colt over Bushmaster JMO
i have owned a bushmaster. good gun. i now own a rock river & love it. i would look at rock river as an option. if you are stuck on either a bushmaster or colt & the only diff is $200 i would probably try the colt.
nmleo431
03-21-2010, 11:24
I have 2 Bushmaster's one A2 and one A3, both have 14.5 barrels with the fixed flash hider..I have 1 Colt 6920...I have never had any trouble with the Bushmasters and of course no trouble with the Colt...In all fairness the Colt is a nicer rifle.... Its the little things like the numbered upper rail, metal trigger gaurd double heat shield hand guards .. But I also have a Stag Arms...very simular to the Colt in everyway and It cost is about the same as a Bushmaster. Have not shot the Stag yet..suggest you Give Stag a look...
Good luck.
RyanNREMTP
03-21-2010, 11:27
I would love to own a Stag, only because I want a left hand model.
plainsman
03-21-2010, 12:51
Why go with less then the best you can afford?
demusn79
03-21-2010, 13:04
Friends don't let friends feed trolls!
Colt.
nastytrigger
03-21-2010, 13:30
I like my Bushy. No complaints other than I can't find the time to shoot it more often. Not certain of my round count (couple grand - maybe 2-4k) I did stake my gas key better. I didn't think it needed it, but better to be safe. Plus, my local rifle range closed due to the economy (renevating the range for $1,000,000 is hard to do in this economy) so I have to go further to shoot (and pay more to shoot).
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