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pitmanr2003
03-17-2010, 02:00
this load needs to be more versitle than accurate. will be for idpa and steel challenge. dont have to worry about power factor being our club doesnt check it in idpa. want a light load in the 40 to use say a 180 gn lead bullet and 9mm can be hotter with cheapest weight which is usually 115gn. I want a powder i can use with both of them so i dont have to have 2 kinds of powder. I was going to go with hogdons clay or tight group. locally all i can find is the clays so i may have to go with it or if you all can name a few other good ones i can try to find them locally. these loads will be alot for practice as well.
MSgt Dotson
03-17-2010, 05:46
Titegroup works very well in both calibers, IMO....
9mm - 115grn. bullet w/5.0grns. WST
.40S&W - 180grn. bullet w/3.8grns. WST
Two great target/practice/gamer loads. Both are accurate, clean burning, and low recoil.
fredj338
03-17-2010, 10:57
9mm - 115grn. bullet w/5.0grns. WST
.40S&W - 180grn. bullet w/3.8grns. WST
Two great target/practice/gamer loads. Both are accurate, clean burning, and low recoil.
+1 Much better choice than either Clays or TG IMO.
Motown Fire
03-17-2010, 11:37
I load 4.7 grains of Unique behind a 180 grain lead bullet from http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=11 with an OAL of 1.125. I have never chronographed it but it was hitting my steel targets this past Sunday one after another :)
dsmw5142
03-17-2010, 12:14
I load 4.7 grains of Unique behind a 180 grain lead bullet from http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=11 with an OAL of 1.125. I have never chronographed it but it was hitting my steel targets this past Sunday one after another :)
I chrono'd 5.0gr of Unique with 180gr Missouri bullet at 1.130" a while back. It was a relatively mild recoil and hit 172-173PF. I THINK, 4.5gr was about 164-165PF.
To the OP:
Personally... I load 180gr Black Bullets International with 5.0gr Unique at 1.135" for 171PF out of my Glock 35 factory barrel. Shoots like a lazer beam.
For 9mm, I load 147gr BBI with 3.5gr Solo 1000 or 130gr BBI with 3.7gr Solo 1000, both at or around 1.130-1.140. Both easily make minor in the 129-134PF range and group very well.
Solo works pretty decent in .40 as well, but it is a pretty fast powder as is Clays.
On the other hand, Unique, or a very similar burn rate powder like WSF, will work well in 9mm also, and doesn't have the high pressure curve of some of the faster powders mentioned. If all you intend on loading is mouse-fart target loads, you'll probably be fine with Clays, N310, Titegroup, Solo 1000 etc...
As far as loading the 115gr. bullets for 9mm, I would say from experience, go to a 124-130 or even 147gr weight bullet to take down steel better.
With the .40, you can load even 165gr bullets fairly light and they will still take down steel, no problem, if you do your part.
If cost is a concern, check out some of the less expensive options. Lead, moly, etc... or buy some jacketed in bulk to save from places like Precision Delta, powder valley (I buy zero's from them) or Montana Gold.
I like BBI's Poly-m coating because I fire them through my factory barrels with zero leading and they are a bargain IMO. And no, I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
pitmanr2003
03-18-2010, 18:01
I don't have to worry about knocking steal down where I shoot all I have to do is make a ting noise. Lol
I chrono'd 5.0gr of Unique with 180gr Missouri bullet at 1.130" a while back. It was a relatively mild recoil and hit 172-173PF. I THINK, 4.5gr was about 164-165PF.
To the OP:
Personally... I load 180gr Black Bullets International with 5.0gr Unique at 1.135" for 171PF out of my Glock 35 factory barrel. Shoots like a lazer beam.
For 9mm, I load 147gr BBI with 3.5gr Solo 1000 or 130gr BBI with 3.7gr Solo 1000, both at or around 1.130-1.140. Both easily make minor in the 129-134PF range and group very well.
Solo works pretty decent in .40 as well, but it is a pretty fast powder as is Clays.
On the other hand, Unique, or a very similar burn rate powder like WSF, will work well in 9mm also, and doesn't have the high pressure curve of some of the faster powders mentioned. If all you intend on loading is mouse-fart target loads, you'll probably be fine with Clays, N310, Titegroup, Solo 1000 etc...
As far as loading the 115gr. bullets for 9mm, I would say from experience, go to a 124-130 or even 147gr weight bullet to take down steel better.
With the .40, you can load even 165gr bullets fairly light and they will still take down steel, no problem, if you do your part.
If cost is a concern, check out some of the less expensive options. Lead, moly, etc... or buy some jacketed in bulk to save from places like Precision Delta, powder valley (I buy zero's from them) or Montana Gold.
I like BBI's Poly-m coating because I fire them through my factory barrels with zero leading and they are a bargain IMO. And no, I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
tlafrance
03-19-2010, 08:20
.40 = 200 gr moly coated 3.5gr W231. Takes steel down like the fist of an angry god, soft shooting, low recoil.
9mm = 124gr OR 115gr 5.0 WST. Accurate, soft shooting, CLEAN load.
Tom
pitmanr2003
03-19-2010, 11:36
may have to get me a pound of w231 been reading nice things about it. but need to use up the 100 180grn cast i bought.
.40 = 200 gr moly coated 3.5gr W231. Takes steel down like the fist of an angry god, soft shooting, low recoil.
9mm = 124gr OR 115gr 5.0 WST. Accurate, soft shooting, CLEAN load.
Tom
The OP requested IDPA and ring the steel loads so 130pf is about all he should aim for (pun intended) in both calibers.
Unfortunately I have no lead loads worked up for minor pf in 40. In 9mm I push a lead 147gr bullet with 3.0gr WST and it makes pf easily out of my G34 LWB, and works fine with factory recoil spring.
My IDPA 40 load is 3.6gr Titegroup behind a 180 jacketed bullet -plenty of cushion on the pf and in my G35 with stock barrel is still reliable with factory recoil spring.
fredj338
03-19-2010, 12:51
may have to get me a pound of w231 been reading nice things about it. but need to use up the 100 180grn cast i bought.
Only issue I have w/ W231/HP38 w/ lead bullets is it seems more smokey than say WST. WSF is another powder I like but more for full power loads. For gamer loads, WST is tough to beat.
Agreed, for light loads, I'm a fan of Solo1000, WST, and (meh) Titegroup.
WST and Solo have the advantage of being very clean under lead or moly slugs. Since I've got their name on the shirt I wear to major IPDA matches, I run 130gr BlackBulletsInternational moly's almost exclusively. Solo or WST under a moly is clean enough to shoot *INDOORS*
WRXcelration
03-22-2010, 21:58
I am running 9mm 124g FML with 4.2gr of W231 at 1.15 (+/- .005)
I do notice it makes my Kimber quite dirty but it is the lightest I could go that would make it cycle.
VV N320 works great with both calibers.
dtibbals
03-26-2010, 21:02
I use VV N310 and N320, not cheap but meters very well and is very clean...produces very accurate loads, I reload 9mm and 45acp
Colorado4Wheel
03-26-2010, 21:17
Skip 115 gr bullets. They suck. Get 124 gr bullets. If my cheap arse can buy 124gr bullets over the 115 then you got to know the 124 sure feel better. Also, I know you said you don't need to make PF but your still encouraged to do things right and loading a real round at PF is a good thing. It helps the gun opperator better in all conditions (weak hand for instance) and it's just better for practice. 130PF is not a hot load if you use SOLO 1000. I speak from personal experiance. Lots of people use Solo 1000 in .40 as well. I have never used WST. 4.2 grs of Solois a very full case in 9mm. I like that a lot. It's so full it nearly a compressed load @ 1.130"
Agreed, for light loads, I'm a fan of Solo1000, WST, and (meh) Titegroup.
WST and Solo have the advantage of being very clean under lead or moly slugs. Since I've got their name on the shirt I wear to major IPDA matches, I run 130gr BlackBulletsInternational moly's almost exclusively. Solo or WST under a moly is clean enough to shoot *INDOORS*
If you load those 130gr BBI's with WST, I'd love to know what the recipe is. I tried some last weekend with 3.8-3.9gr Universal, and it was more smoke than I could bear...and it was outdoors. Even worse, I was shooting against the breeze, so it blew all that nasty smoke right back at me. I have WST, and was thinking of trying 4.5gr at around 1.140 OAL (primarily for a G17 with factory barrel).
vv n320 works great with both calibers.
..+10
Skip 115 gr bullets. They suck. Get 124 gr bullets. If my cheap arse can buy 124gr bullets over the 115 then you got to know the 124 sure feel better. Also, I know you said you don't need to make PF but your still encouraged to do things right and loading a real round at PF is a good thing. It helps the gun opperator better in all conditions (weak hand for instance) and it's just better for practice. 130PF is not a hot load if you use SOLO 1000. I speak from personal experiance. Lots of people use Solo 1000 in .40 as well. I have never used WST. 4.2 grs of Solois a very full case in 9mm. I like that a lot. It's so full it nearly a compressed load @ 1.130"
Solo has a weird reaction to heat. It's reverse temperature sensitive. Velocities can get pretty low if it's over 100 degrees out. I tried it and my PF went down between 5 and 7 between Winter and Summer.
freakshow10mm
10-11-2010, 22:39
Gamer powder: N320
Shooter powder: WSF
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