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Quigley
03-18-2010, 20:45
I have seen these around the internet for a while but then it just hit me one day. How does this not make it classify as a SBR?http://www.endotactical.com/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Picture-17-11.png

Butch
03-18-2010, 20:48
It does make it a SBR.....and one must abide by the law accordingly.

Gotta look for the small print:

"In the Unites States all NFA rules apply
You must register your handgun with the ATF if you plan on adding a stock to it.
Reference: ATF Form 1 (http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53201.pdf)"

flynshoot
03-18-2010, 20:48
See question 12 of the FAQ:

http://www.endotactical.com/faq.html

Is there any way I can get avoid the ATF Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) law?
Yes. If you have a 16" (or longer) barrel for your Glock.

fNs

skanless
03-18-2010, 20:48
I dont know. :dunno: Too tacticool for me tho.

Gallium
03-18-2010, 20:56
If you are not in the USA, for example?


'Drew

gh0st614
03-18-2010, 20:57
Nothing stopping you from ordering it and just leaving it on a shelf tho right?

I dont really see a advantage to it unless you had a 18 or something.

Markasaurus
03-18-2010, 21:44
that's a neat little rig. It costs $150 for the adaptor part then you have to buy an M4 folding stock, cheapest one i saw from google is $164. It is legal to buy it in most states, and it's not legal to mount a Glock on it, they tell you so on their site. So you can in theory buy this device and stare at it all day if you like. But the second you try to use it, you're a criminal, unless you want to hassle with The Man for months over making your SBR legal.

I can't imagine why the gov't felt they had to make such a device illegal in the first place. The idea of pistol-with-stock-added has been tried many times both in peace and for war (mauser "broomhandle" pistol, etc.) and has basically been proven to be totally impractical for any purpose at all, except perhaps as a novelty.

A high point 9mm carbine costs $250, a ruger PG9 9mm carbine costs $650 at gunbroker, why not look into one of those?

Angry Fist
03-18-2010, 21:57
Nothing stopping you from ordering it and just leaving it on a shelf tho right?

I dont really see a advantage to it unless you had a 18 or something.

Knowingly violating NFA regs by owning a compatible firearm for that piece of equipment would stop me from ordering it... :shocked: unless I already had my tax-stamp. :supergrin:

Quigley
03-18-2010, 21:59
I have no desire to buy one but was just curious and thanks to everyone for the fast responses. I may eventually purchase a Sub 2000 in 40s&w that accepts Glock mags but it is way down my wish list.

DaveCharlie09
03-18-2010, 22:01
It's legal if you SBR your Glock. But that leaves the engraving question. Do you engrave the polymer "Receiver/Frame"?, or the Slide???????????:dunno:

Blitzer
03-18-2010, 22:02
Nothing stopping you from ordering it and just leaving it on a shelf tho right?

I dont really see a advantage to it unless you had a 18 or something.


Having that stock and a Glock pistol in your possession is enough for an all expense paid visit to club Fed! :wow:

Don't do it. :shocked::shocked:

Angry Fist
03-18-2010, 22:04
Once a rifle, always a rifle... I guess you might as well JB weld that thing on once you buy it. I hear you cannot legally convert it back to "pistol" once you modify it... even with the SBR stamp. :dunno:SBR's might not be legal in all states!

Angry Fist
03-18-2010, 22:07
It's legal if you SBR your Glock. But that leaves the engraving question. Do you engrave the polymer "Receiver/Frame"?, or the Slide???????????:dunno:

Frame, since a slide is not a "firearm". :supergrin: But engrave all the slides for that Glock, anyways!

gh0st614
03-18-2010, 22:22
Having that stock and a Glock pistol in your possession is enough for an all expense paid visit to club Fed! :wow:

Don't do it. :shocked::shocked:

It was never a plan of mine. Its 1000% useless in my eyes. Id rather have one of those folding keltecs for a couple hundred bucks.

timbob
03-19-2010, 00:21
It was never a plan of mine. Its 1000% useless in my eyes. Id rather have one of those folding keltecs for a couple hundred bucks.

Sub 2k .40 was going to be my next piece until I realized I should just get a SA58 or STG58 Para (folding stock) 16"-18".

I'm having dreams nightly about a new FAL...

commando57
03-19-2010, 03:51
You should bring it up on your list. They are way cool guns! It caused me to get my first Glock and now I have 3! (27, 23, 22)

I have no desire to buy one but was just curious and thanks to everyone for the fast responses. I may eventually purchase a Sub 2000 in 40s&w that accepts Glock mags but it is way down my wish list.

nedfolks
03-19-2010, 05:01
I'm not impressed with that thing

The Cavalry
03-19-2010, 05:43
If you are not in the USA, for example?


'Drew

In most countries, you could probably have it...but not the gun.
:crying:

EJP
03-19-2010, 06:53
Well, here in Austria those stocks are perfectly legal without any additional costs.
AFAIK the same applies to germany and switzerland.

I bought an IGB stock some time ago and it really is fun. Way faster follow up shots, better accuracy at longer ranges... Ok, its a toy but a very enjoyable one...

TuxthePenguin
03-19-2010, 07:10
See question 12 of the FAQ:

http://www.endotactical.com/faq.html

Is there any way I can get avoid the ATF Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) law?
Yes. If you have a 16" (or longer) barrel for your Glock.

fNs

So where do you get a 16" barrel for a Glock?

irish_ironsight
03-19-2010, 07:50
So where do you get a 16" barrel for a Glock? ANSWER: IGB Austria, they have a line of Pistol to Carbine conversion barrels (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-08-karabinersystem.htm)

They also make a pretty neat and tacticool stock (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-12-anschlagschaefte.htm)

They have an interesting line of front grips (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-14-vordergriff.htm) too

LoadedTech
03-19-2010, 08:26
Sub 2k .40 was going to be my next piece until I realized I should just get a SA58 or STG58 Para (folding stock) 16"-18".


While they are nice, you can get 4 Kel-tecs for the price of either. I just got mine for under $400, shipped and transferred. I like the fact that you can get it with glock mags that fit in my G27. I reload for .40 so it was a win-win choice for me.
For the op, I would go with the Kel-tec/ Hi-point for the price, their a decent rifle, that shoot pistol cartridges, legally.

feelinlucky?
03-19-2010, 08:36
So where do you get a 16" barrel for a Glock? ANSWER: IGB Austria, they have a line of Pistol to Carbine conversion barrels (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-08-karabinersystem.htm)

They also make a pretty neat and tacticool stock (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-12-anschlagschaefte.htm)

They have an interesting line of front grips (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-14-vordergriff.htm) too

Looking at that front grip picture...better make sure you keep that thumb tucked in or your hitchhiking days are over.

Berrie
03-19-2010, 08:49
In most countries, you could probably have it...but not the gun. :crying:

There's two assumptions that annoy me to no end: "all Americans are dangerous gun nuts" and "private gun ownership is impossible everywhere else". I'm in Europe, and I can think of only ONE European country where you can't legally own a working and shooting G17 without too much hassle. And while I'm at it, that stock usually doesn't require any additional fees or paperwork either.

EJP
03-19-2010, 10:26
There's two assumptions that annoy me to no end: "all Americans are dangerous gun nuts" and "private gun ownership is impossible everywhere else". I'm in Europe, and I can think of only ONE European country where you can't legally own a working and shooting G17 without too much hassle. And while I'm at it, that stock usually doesn't require any additional fees or paperwork either.


BTW: we never had troubles with full or high cap magazines here...

Fiery Red XIII
03-19-2010, 10:34
So where do you get a 16" barrel for a Glock? ANSWER: IGB Austria, they have a line of Pistol to Carbine conversion barrels (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-08-karabinersystem.htm)

They also make a pretty neat and tacticool stock (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-12-anschlagschaefte.htm)

They have an interesting line of front grips (http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/eng-14-vordergriff.htm) too

I want one of those to take my 10mm G20 for hunting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :supergrin:


Red

Butch
03-19-2010, 11:31
BTW: we never had troubles with full or high cap magazines here...
Can we send you some Democrats?



;)

MSgt Dotson
03-20-2010, 08:33
Their advisory to add the long bbl first, then the stock, makes little sense, as pistols with bbls longer than fourteen inches are also 'SBRs'...

nnickatnight
03-20-2010, 09:27
If your gonna go with an SBR, then get a good compact one like this!

RWBlue
03-20-2010, 10:56
I always find it interesting listening to people talk about how something they don't have is not good and why they will never get it.:upeyes:


Proud owner of a G21 SBR.

RWBlue
03-20-2010, 10:58
Their advisory to add the long bbl first, then the stock, makes little sense, as pistols with bbls longer than fourteen inches are also 'SBRs'...

No they are not.

RWBlue
03-20-2010, 11:03
Once a rifle, always a rifle... I guess you might as well JB weld that thing on once you buy it. I hear you cannot legally convert it back to "pistol" once you modify it... even with the SBR stamp. :dunno:SBR's might not be legal in all states!

First, SBRs are not legal in ALL states.

Second, you are scrambling the laws.
Get a SBR stamp, add a stock, then remove the stock. Totally legal. The Glock is still a SBR, but the stock is removed.

Get a long barrel or a magtech upper for a glock, add it (like magic it is a rifle), remove it, not a problem. The glock is still a pistol. The ATF did make a common sense ruling on this.

isma
03-22-2010, 23:24
Hi,this is Roni G1,a GLOCK Tactical Conversion,made in USA. www.ematactical.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9fX0W1ELWE

UZIFORME
03-24-2010, 00:31
I always find it interesting listening to people talk about how something they don't have is not good and why they will never get it.:upeyes:


Proud owner of a G21 SBR.

I often talk about the downside of those men with a 12" wang
A silly useless thing that serves no usefull purpose.

Lior
04-07-2010, 09:27
Well, here in Austria those stocks are perfectly legal without any additional costs.
AFAIK the same applies to germany and switzerland.

I bought an IGB stock some time ago and it really is fun. Way faster follow up shots, better accuracy at longer ranges... Ok, its a toy but a very enjoyable one...

Funny that - I am having exactly the same experiences with the Roni G1 carbine conversion kit in Israel. With a Mep-21 Reflex sight you can hit the same point constantly at near-maximum trigger pulling speed. Great range fun.

r2kba
04-08-2010, 11:03
I'd love to try one of these. But, I'm afraid if I did I would have to buy one!!


The only other question is, where to engrave name/city/state....

deadday
04-08-2010, 11:30
Nothing stopping you from ordering it and just leaving it on a shelf tho right?

I dont really see a advantage to it unless you had a 18 or something.

I believe the BATFEces refers to that as constructive intent..