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BuckeyeBlast
03-21-2010, 19:59
Hey guys, from those of you who have been around Kahr's longer than I, which Kahr is the best IN TERMS OF RELIABILITY ONLY?

I'm considering purchasing both a .380 and a 9mm Kahr, but want to make sure I like one before purchasing the other.

Don't worry about any other factors than reliability. I've got plenty of other peices to cover my other bases. I want 2 Kahrs, but want to know which one to start with in order for me to avoid potentially getting turned off from the brand and not buying another.

Thanks guys. :cool:

1911master
03-21-2010, 20:51
I own a second hand PM9 that has seen well over 10,000 rounds, been sent back to factory for a new frame. The metal inserts in the dust cover broke about a year ago. This pistol always works no matter what. I TRUST my life with it every day. The other reason I would go with the 9s is the cost of ammo and being able to find it. Jim

docbrazen
03-22-2010, 00:32
The steel versions tend to have a better track record of reliability.
Something like a: MK9, K9, T9, MK40, K40, or T40.

I have a Kahr K9 that has been extremely reliable, as good as my Glock.

Blkbrd
03-22-2010, 02:42
From a purely mechanical standpoint, the P9 as the longer recoil impulse and standard guide rod will be slightly smoother.

The P9 will also be less susceptible to operator induced malfunctions as the larger grip provides a more consistent hold.

That said the new PM's run great, and carry nice.

PlayboyPenguin
03-22-2010, 02:45
I am going to have to throw my lot in with those that say the P9. I have owned a PM9 and it was flawless, but the larger P9 would have some advantages. I did have the similar sized CW9 and it was awesome. Now all my kahrs are of the .40S&W variety.

ripley16
03-22-2010, 06:37
IN TERMS OF RELIABILITY ONLY?

I've yet to have a malfunction with an all metal Kahr, these being two K9s and a T9.

Of my polymer Kahrs, I did have malfunctions with a CW9 and a P45. The only polymer Kahr that has been flawless is my TP9.

If reliability is what you're after, my advise is; get a K9 or at least a larger polymer model, P or TP.

morgantheship
03-23-2010, 19:17
My favorite is my PM9 with night sights. I carry it in a Highnoon Split Decision IWB Tuckable holster. It took about 200 rounds to break in, which is recommended for any Kahr, but it now eats anything without a hesitation. Very reliable.

I also have a P380 which I purchased used. I carry it in a Galco Ultimate Second Admendment. It has been reliable but it really only likes Cor-Bon. Always reliable with that. I tried some off brand ammo that I purchased at Cabela's one time, and it tended to give light primer strikes. I attribute the problem to the ammo, not the gun.

My wife has a P9 which is just as reliable as the PM9.

I love the Kahr's as their quality is excellent.

Lew-G17
03-27-2010, 17:39
I have a P380, a P9 Covert, and two K9's. I have never had any malfunctions with any ammo in these guns. These make up my daily carry assortment and I am completely satisfied that all of them will do the job if needed.

shooting4pizza
03-27-2010, 18:33
My vote is the PM9. My PM9 is with me during warm weather. I have a bit of range time (couple of thousand rounds 100 at a time) with no issues. I carry and practice with Federal LE 9BPLE +P+ 115gr. I use a GALCO SkyOps IWB holster. I am confident this combination will do what it's intended purpose is if required.

swannick
03-27-2010, 18:46
I just purchased my PM9 and today put another 50 rounds through it (that makes 250 rounds) all flawless. The more I shoot this little gun the more impressed I am with it's accuracy. Great fit, finish and overall quality. Seems to eat every kind of ammo I feed it. I highly recommend it.

BuckeyeBlast
03-27-2010, 19:05
I decided I'll be picking up a PM9. I handled a bunch at today's gun show. The PM9 just seems so much more versitile than the P9. I like the idea of having a 9mm that can actually give you the true option of a pocket carry. If I find out that pocket carry w/ the PM9 is practical enough, the P380 might not even be necessary.

Who am I kidding, I'll want the P380 too. :)

ltxi
03-28-2010, 18:49
PM9...good choice...past the first 50 rounds mine hasn't ever had a hint of malfunction. Mine replaced a 442 and .380 Pocketlight Mustang for concealed EDC two years ago and I've never felt inclined to back to the lesser calibers.

Liquid
03-29-2010, 18:24
i never heard of a problem with a steal framed one. that being said i have 2 pm9s. one i bought used and fired a few hundred ones. the other i bought new and fired around 250 or so rounds. i have heard of issues with them, but both have been flawless.

user
03-30-2010, 16:29
If you can't have but one, make it a MK9, preferably the 2003 Elite NS version.

BuckeyeBlast
03-30-2010, 17:04
I'll report back w/ the reliability of the PM9 after I get some lead down range.

Tough Guy Levi
04-01-2010, 17:13
Hi:

My Kahr purchased June 05 (VA #59XX) has over 20,000 reliable rounds during training and teaching. Kahr Factory tune-up in 14,000+ range and only FTFs (failure to feed) were caused by weak mag springs hence replaced with Wolff.

CA P380s (mag disconnect/loaded indicator) aren't avail yet but expect to be shipped to CA dealers during this summer. When contacted, most dealers didn't know the Kahr P380 was on the CA DOJ "Blessed" list since early February 2010.

Tough Guy Levi
NRA Cert. Pistol Instructor
Orange CA

rargos
04-01-2010, 17:25
Removed

BuckeyeBlast
04-01-2010, 17:31
As I type this the G26 is IWB and the PM9 is in the mail. I won't be getting rid of the G26 until the PM9 proves itself, ideally I'll be in a position to keep both. I'm looking forward to getting back w/ you guys on a range report. Thanks for the responses.

ltxi
04-01-2010, 19:29
i never heard of a problem with a steal framed one. that being said i have 2 pm9s. one i bought used and fired a few hundred ones. the other i bought new and fired around 250 or so rounds. i have heard of issues with them, but both have been flawless.

My most problematic Kahr has been my MK9. PM9 pretty much flawless out of the box....K9 ok after running it in....MK9 took a trip back to the factory, some custom polishing work, and close to 1500 rounds before I would bet my life on it.

JimBianchi
04-01-2010, 20:55
My MK9 has been completely reliable : reliability is very important to me and I have as much faith in my MK9 as I have in my G26 (also 100%).

Can't comment on the polymer ones.

HEY! You beat me to my EXACT post!

I have used my MK9 in a point shooting course and it was flawless. (And more accurate than the full size guns being used by the other participants)

Everyday for four years I have to make a tough choice, which to carry, MK9 or G26!

Animalmother
04-02-2010, 13:54
I carried a Kahr K9 Elite 98 from 1999-2005. Love Kahrs. I will be getting the P380. I already have a S&W 637 and a Glock 39, so I want something real small that can actually be hidden in a pocket.

PlayboyPenguin
04-02-2010, 14:00
HEY! You beat me to my EXACT post!

I have used my MK9 in a point shooting course and it was flawless. (And more accurate than the full size guns being used by the other participants)

Everyday for four years I have to make a tough choice, which to carry, MK9 or G26!
I make a similar decision. PM40 or G33? One is smaller, easier to conceal, and more accurate (due to inherent accuracy and a preferable trigger) and the other has more capacity. Both are completely reliable.

Like the poster you are responding to, I stuck with all steel Kahrs at first. I was reluctant to venture into the Kahr polymer world due to some early horror stories I read. After owning several Kahr polymers I am not completely confident in any Kahr polymer in the 9mm or .40S&W caliber options. I am still not sold on the .45acp versions of the polymer guns.