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Wp.22
04-06-2010, 04:48
a hi-cap pistol with lots of magazine. and 15 others which he did not show. The marines taught him how to shoot.
http://www.gmanews.tv/video/57932/qtv-votebook-noynoy-aquino

collegedude
04-06-2010, 05:11
he also owned a glock and an xd40 I saw his present in all glock competition at camp crame.

ALLAN PENEYRA
04-06-2010, 08:21
tapos ang declaration nya sa SALN nya e P400,000 lang lahat ng 16 FA's nya?tsk..tsk...naglolokohan na lang yata tayo nyan e.

jlkwison
04-06-2010, 10:08
Baka nag kamali lang ng computation hehe ;)

jlkwison
04-06-2010, 10:50
Here's my conservative computation on how much they are all worth

<table style="border-style:solid;border-width:thin" cellpadding="5px"><th></th><th>Estimate</th><th>Remarks</th><tr><td>Revolver 38 Smith and Wesson</td><td style="text-align:right">10,000</td><td>The cheapest S&amp;W I saw</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 9mm H&amp;K</td><td style="text-align:right">35,000</td><td>1994 Price</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 9mm Walther</td><td style="text-align:right">45,000</td><td>Conservative price</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 9mm Glock</td><td style="text-align:right">30,000</td><td>1997 Price</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 45 Springfield</td><td style="text-align:right">45,000</td><td>Cheapest I saw brandnew and GI model</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 40 Paraord</td><td style="text-align:right">75,000</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 9mm Sig</td><td style="text-align:right">45,000</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Hpr 556 Carbn</td><td style="text-align:right">100,000</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Hpr 7.62 Ak47</td><td style="text-align:right">40,000</td><td>Twinpines price first time it came out less 5k ;)</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 40 Hs2000</td><td style="text-align:right">30,000</td><td>discounted :)</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 45 Colt</td><td style="text-align:right">35,000</td><td>Price of a Colt ww2 replica that came out around 1997 - I should not have listened to my ex and bought it tsk tsk</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol 40 Glock</td><td style="text-align:right">30,000</td><td>90's price Gen 1 I think…</td></tr><tr><td>Hpr 556 Colt</td><td style="text-align:right">100,000</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Shotgun 12g</td><td style="text-align:right">10,000</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Hpr Norinco</td><td style="text-align:right">10,000</td><td>just a conservative guess</td></tr><tr><td>Pistol Sig GSR</td><td style="text-align:right">75,000</td><td>Discounted again yehey</td></tr><tr><td><b>TOTAL</b></td><td style="text-align:right"><b>715,000</b></td><td></td></tr></table>

So round it off to the nearest 400,000, then you get....<input type="button" value="PLEASE PRESS TO COMPUTE" onclick="alert('400,000 Tada!')" />

akula
04-06-2010, 18:09
Pistol 9mm Walther 45,000 Conservative price
Pistol 9mm Glock 30,000 1997 Price
Pistol 45 Springfield 45,000 Cheapest I saw brandnew and GI model
Pistol 40 Paraord 75,000
Pistol 9mm Sig 45,000
Most of these F/As were selling at half the above listed price about 10 years ago.

I got my Walther for P25T. ParaOrd at that time was I believe 50-55T. Springfield (in form of Imbel) sold by twin pines was less than P30T before 2000.

Also -- I think for book accounting purposes, you do have to depreciate this things. CPAs, pls correct me if I'm wrong.

At least he has the transparency to declare that he owns that many firearms.

jimbullet
04-06-2010, 19:36
I dont believe that the purpose of it all is to undervalue the worth of his firearms.

It would be prudent for any accountant to depreciate these similar to a vehicle or any other chattel/ equipment and at the same time record them at acquisition cost and not at fair market value at the time that an audit has taken place.

itch
04-06-2010, 19:39
Most of these F/As were selling at half the above listed price about 10 years ago.

I got my Walther for P25T. ParaOrd at that time was I believe 50-55T. Springfield (in form of Imbel) sold by twin pines was less than P30T before 2000.

Also -- I think for book accounting purposes, you do have to depreciate this things. CPAs, pls correct me if I'm wrong.

At least he has the transparency to declare that he owns that many firearms.

i agree with akula, In 2001 Paraords Limited are sold at 50k only. Glocks in PB were on Sale at 24k during the Gun Ban.

The HPR COLT listed who knows? Maybe just M16A1's which cost only 20-30k before. Baka iba dyan bigay lang e.

What I see good about him is he didn't hide his passion for Guns and the shooting sports. Like other candidates who has cache of firearms but because of the negative conotation of Gun ownership, tinatago at nagsisinungaling na lang.

He could have opt not to touch on this topic but he opt to tell us that.

Wp.22
04-06-2010, 20:06
he even showed his glock trophy

CatsMeow
04-06-2010, 20:09
My first Glock cost me P29k in 1999. And right after I made the downpayment during the gunshow, I discovered to my dismay Twin Pines selling Browning Hi-Powers for only P24k... And CZ75s for only P19k...

I just submitted my Statement of Assets and Liabilities, wonder why "acquisition cost" is required to be placed even for properties obtained 15years ago with no provision for depreciation... gee, am I that rich?:supergrin:

Wp.22
04-06-2010, 20:13
Baka yung iba regalo ni bernadette sa kanya

jlkwison
04-06-2010, 21:37
Ok so here's the new price list

10000
35000
25000
24000
45000
50000
30000
50000
40000
30000
35000
24000
30000
10000
10000
75000

523000

So...factor in the devaluation you get 400,000

jlkwison
04-06-2010, 21:57
At least he has the transparency to declare that he owns that many firearms.

Yes it is good that he is transparent. But I think the list should not have been posted on the TV without the proper explanation since it will be subjected to speculations. I made an estimated price list so anyone here can share their inputs so as to provide a detailed account on how it became 400,000. As such, the list has been revised. So malapit na siya sa 400,000.

Anyways, I have a question with regards to guns as assets. Does anyone here know how to compute a worth of a gun that was bought let say 5 years ago ? How does devaluation and appreciation come into play ?

glock26ph
04-06-2010, 22:01
I got my second Glock in 1997 for 26k and at the gunshow I found out (much to my dismay) that the HK USP was being sold for 24-26k. Around this time, HK MP5's were also going for around 100k, you can get a used M16 for 20k and a new one for about twice that much. I think his declaration of 400k is realistic enough.

jlkwison
04-06-2010, 22:10
So generally speaking the computation of guns here in the Philippines as asset is based purely on acquisition cost plus devaluation ? More importantly, are guns here really considered assets ? Because to my knowledge, owning a gun here is a privilege.

glock26ph
04-06-2010, 22:19
Yes, owning guns here is a privilege, if you are extended that privilege and you acquire one - it becomes an asset to you.

i figure that the 400k would still be realistic based on the acquisition cost.

bugoyski
04-06-2010, 22:32
Kung 400K lang lahat yun, sana ibenta na lang niya sa akin. Papakyawin ko yun. :supergrin:

Allegra
04-06-2010, 23:33
haha since gusto nyo lang din tuusin talaga
Sinama ba presyo ng magazine?
sabihin natin 4k isang mag , kung apat eh di bente mil na yun


edit - ok sa math a

CatsMeow
04-07-2010, 01:23
Hehe Noynoy should have a lot of mags, plus a boatload of ammo to fill them with. Perhaps his own reloading machine too... I wonder what brand of shotgun he has, probably top of the line like Benelli.

jimbullet
04-07-2010, 01:35
Agree that in the Phils, owning a gun is a priveledge according to the current law but it is still an "asset" by accounting definition, which is depreciable if so desired.

I commend Noynoy for being upfront and transparent.

From a progun perspective, I would prefer someone in Malacanang who is a responsible gun owner himself not by virtue of authority given to him but as a matter of choice.

zorkd
04-07-2010, 02:49
his passion for the shooting sports really shows, he was even explaining to the reporter how you have to tune this and tweak that to get better performance from your gear. not that the reporter seemed particularly receptive of such information.

PMMA97
04-07-2010, 04:30
Those records are open for public scrutiny.

I don't see any extra ordinary transparency on those declarations.

He said that after EDSA that "nagkaroon KAMI ng pagkakataon".

Sinong "kami"? Kasama ba tayo doon?

Putok-Glock
04-07-2010, 05:28
ssooo....

pllssss...

VOTE!!!!

edtf
04-07-2010, 07:16
Heck I also undervalue my toys with COA - the missus :rofl:

jlkwison
04-07-2010, 07:26
Heck I also undervalue my toys with COA - the missus :rofl:

:rofl:

edtf
04-07-2010, 07:26
Those records are open for public scrutiny.

I don't see any extra ordinary transparency on those declarations.

He said that after EDSA that "nagkaroon KAMI ng pagkakataon".

Sinong "kami"? Kasama ba tayo doon?

yung mga nasa oposisyon (well that was what he said)

akula
04-07-2010, 08:16
Just like in any asset -- there is a book value (relevant to an accountant) and a fair market value.

I'm not an accountant, but most capital acquisitions are depreciated depending on the amount of value -- usually based on the useful economic life of an asset.

Some would depreciate a car in a straight 5-year or 10-year method. Bale, in 5/10 years -- your car would already just cost around P1.00; though you can still sell it at much higher cost.

orimar3
04-07-2010, 08:18
Those records are open for public scrutiny.
I don't see any extra ordinary transparency on those declarations.
He said that after EDSA that "nagkaroon KAMI ng pagkakataon".
Sinong "kami"? Kasama ba tayo doon?

If you own any firearm over .38 caliber or if you own more than one firearm, the answer is "yes, kasama ka doon". Remember that it was only after 1986 that the firearm industry was "liberalized" and certain exemptions were given for sport shooters. In fact a lot of the privileges we enjoy today started during the time of President Cory Aquino.

jimbullet
04-08-2010, 01:55
If you own any firearm over .38 caliber or if you own more than one firearm, the answer is "yes, kasama ka doon". Remember that it was only after 1986 that the firearm industry was "liberalized" and certain exemptions were given for sport shooters. In fact a lot of the privileges we enjoy today started during the time of President Cory Aquino.

:perfect10::perfect10:

mtho
04-08-2010, 12:09
I think its good to have a president that knows what reponsible gun ownership is all about, and not put the blame of crime rate on responsible gun owners. he should also put a chief pnp that also understands this.