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M4J0R T0M
04-19-2010, 21:00
Well guys, after taking some of Indy's advice I loaded several hundred rounds of .40 and .45 and built of the courage to load some .223.

Now I see why you guys advised in that direction. Bottleneck rifle is MUCH more involved. I finally got my first 200 rounds loaded but only after some very aggravating experiences. I broke off two decapping pins before learning that it was my brass that was causing the issue. I am using Lee dies if that matters.

I discovered that the flash hole in this stuff is smaller diameter when I tried to trim it to length and the pin wouldn't go in. I've got some pics of the brass and I hope one of you guys can tell what I can do to reload this stuff. Seeing as how I have about five hundred pieces of it.

The first two are a comparison of the unfired and spent casing and the last is a close up of the bottom and headstamp.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/MrPiggy89/DSCN2920.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/MrPiggy89/DSCN2921.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/MrPiggy89/DSCN2919.jpg

PCJim
04-19-2010, 21:49
Tom, I would agree that the flash hole appears smaller than normal flash holes. One thing to take a closer look at - pull the stuck pin out of that casing and look at both ends. I think you'll find that on Lee dies, the pin is designed to pull out of the mandrel if it gets wedged in the flash hole. I discovered this to the be case when I, too, thought I had broken a pin. Simply reinsert the pin back in its place and keep going.

As to solving the problem? Maybe find out what size a normal flash hole is, obtain a drill bit of the same size and begin drilling out the holes to correct that manufacturer's short comings!

Good luck. And, let us know what you finally do.

M4J0R T0M
04-19-2010, 22:12
Tom, I would agree that the flash hole appears smaller than normal flash holes. One thing to take a closer look at - pull the stuck pin out of that casing and look at both ends. I think you'll find that on Lee dies, the pin is designed to pull out of the mandrel if it gets wedged in the flash hole. I discovered this to the be case when I, too, thought I had broken a pin. Simply reinsert the pin back in its place and keep going.

As to solving the problem? Maybe find out what size a normal flash hole is, obtain a drill bit of the same size and begin drilling out the holes to correct that manufacturer's short comings!

Good luck. And, let us know what you finally do.

Thanks, those seem like pretty good ideas. Wouldn't it be a safety issue though, drilling the cases out?

Bultx1215
04-19-2010, 23:08
Yup, IK brass is good stuff if you can get it decapped and enlarge the hole. I had better results with the Lee Universal Decapping die, but only marginally. Still had to ram the pin back in a few times. The good thing is...you will only have this trouble once as long as you enlarge the holes. To do it, you will want something like this...http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/5559/Flash-Hole-Deburring-Tools

PCJim
04-20-2010, 06:34
Tom, when I mentioned enlarging the primer hole with a drill, I had envisioned an already deprimed case. And in that regard, no, it would not be a safety issue if you were only enlarging the hole to what is considered a standard diameter flash hole.

To get to that deprimed state, you might have to look into some specialized dies with vary narrow pins. Or, punches that are narrow enough to be inserted into the case mouth and long enough to manually knock out the primer. If the latter route, use with your shellholder and carefully punch out the primers. S-L-O-W work, but it could be done.

M4J0R T0M
04-20-2010, 07:07
Thanks for the heads up on the tool. But my problem still remains, how to decap these without pulling my pin every other case? You mentioned a specialized die, do you have a link?

Bultx1215
04-20-2010, 09:15
Ya know..I just compared pin size between my Lee dies, .223 resize/decap and Universal Decapper..and they are the same pin.:whistling: I guess maybe the lack of resizing made it easier. I still had to pull the pin out of the brass every so often. Its a PITA to be sure.

Post #10 may help you on this link. I may do this when and if I process the rest of my IK brass. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=422109


Lee Universal Decapper....http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=136543


Edit...You will actually want a hole in the .080-.081 range. The other reamer is too small for a std hole. http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/13604/Flash-Hole-Deburring-Tools

M4J0R T0M
04-20-2010, 09:37
Yup, IK brass is good stuff if you can get it decapped and enlarge the hole. I had better results with the Lee Universal Decapping die, but only marginally. Still had to ram the pin back in a few times. The good thing is...you will only have this trouble once as long as you enlarge the holes. To do it, you will want something like this...http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/5559/Flash-Hole-Deburring-Tools

Tom, when I mentioned enlarging the primer hole with a drill, I had envisioned an already deprimed case. And in that regard, no, it would not be a safety issue if you were only enlarging the hole to what is considered a standard diameter flash hole.

To get to that deprimed state, you might have to look into some specialized dies with vary narrow pins. Or, punches that are narrow enough to be inserted into the case mouth and long enough to manually knock out the primer. If the latter route, use with your shellholder and carefully punch out the primers. S-L-O-W work, but it could be done.

Ya know..I just compared pin size between my Lee dies, .223 resize/decap and Universal Decapper..and they are the same pin.:whistling: I guess maybe the lack of resizing made it easier. I still had to pull the pin out of the brass every so often. Its a PITA to be sure.

Post #10 may help you on this link. I may do this when and if I process the rest of my IK brass. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=422109


Lee Universal Decapper....http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=136543


Edit...You will actually want a hole in the .080-.081 range. The other reamer is too small for a std hole. http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/13604/Flash-Hole-Deburring-Tools

Thanks again for the suggestions. It may be more trouble than its worth.

Firecop203
04-20-2010, 17:23
I use a Lee universal decapper to decap all my military brass. If I run across some with small primer holes, I use a Lyman flash hole uniforming tool to make it the correct size.

You could probably measure one of the larger flash holes and find a drill bit in the size you need and just drill it out.

n2extrm
04-20-2010, 20:44
I would e-mail Redding. They make a small decaping pin for the 6mmbr cases, it measures about .055" to fit the smaller flash hole in the 6br cases. You MAY be able to adapt it to your die or buy a decaping die from Redding to accommodate your needs with the smaller flash hole. In the 6br the smaller hole is desirable and seems to work well, with the .223 not so much as far as I know. :dunno:

mboylan
04-20-2010, 20:50
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M4J0R T0M
04-20-2010, 23:07
I would e-mail Redding. They make a small decaping pin for the 6mmbr cases, it measures about .055" to fit the smaller flash hole in the 6br cases. You MAY be able to adapt it to your die or buy a decaping die from Redding to accommodate your needs with the smaller flash hole. In the 6br the smaller hole is desirable and seems to work well, with the .223 not so much as far as I know. :dunno:

Excellent info, best yet actually. I'll have to give them a call. Thanks a bunch!

dudel
04-21-2010, 01:54
Quite right. Riffle rounda are a different beast! A not uncommon problem. Two solutions:

To deprime the smaller flash holes, try a Lee Universal decapping die. IIRC, it's a one piece decapper. Some dies have a decapping pin with a head that keeps them from pulling out. Dillon and RCBS fall into this category IIRC. Hornady has a good system as well. I'd stick with the Lee for now, just get a univeral decapper. Think of it as part of case prep.

Once you have them decapped, use a flash hole uniformer. I have one from Lyman, but several folks make them. It's basically a long stem that opens and deburs the flash hole from the case neck. When flash holes are punched out, you don't always get clean holes. The uniformer cleans them up nicely. Once it's done, it's done forever.

chineseboxer
04-21-2010, 02:52
buy a spare pin, grind it down slightly and use that for this brand of brass.

M4J0R T0M
04-21-2010, 09:15
buy a spare pin, grind it down slightly and use that for this brand of brass.

I was able to extract the stuck pins from the cases and reinsert them in the rods. I think I will try to sand one down very carefully and see if that will work.

DWARREN123
04-21-2010, 12:32
Extra decapper and turn/sand/file it down in diameter. Should work for what you need.