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MinervaDoe
04-20-2010, 09:10
I would appreciate it you guys could post your most accurate 9mm loads. I can find a few loads listed as accurate in my reloading manuals, but I was wondering what you guys have found to work.

BBJones
04-20-2010, 09:33
I don't want to sound like a smart*****, but this is going to be highly gun dependent. A Hi-Power is going to be very different from a G26 etc. Even the same model gun can have varying preferences between 2 examples.

Wil Terry
04-20-2010, 09:34
I have 40+- 9MM PARABELLUM pistols. ALL of 'em have a different favorite load that pokes 'em into tiny little groups. Unless you are willing to do the load developement FOR YOUR PISTOL you will never know what the best load is for your pistol. NO ONE can tell you otherwise, but if you do find some one who can take him to the racetrack as he can also tell the future.

D. Manley
04-20-2010, 12:23
I don't want to sound like a smart*****, but this is going to be highly gun dependent. A Hi-Power is going to be very different from a G26 etc. Even the same model gun can have varying preferences between 2 examples.


I have 40+- 9MM PARABELLUM pistols. ALL of 'em have a different favorite load that pokes 'em into tiny little groups. Unless you are willing to do the load developement FOR YOUR PISTOL you will never know what the best load is for your pistol. NO ONE can tell you otherwise, but if you do find some one who can take him to the racetrack as he can also tell the future.

While it is true that individual guns make a difference in accuracy of a given load, this is less true in handguns than in long guns. There are several loads for different calibers that provide extraordinary accuracy in most guns as evidenced by the number of Bullseye shooters using the same or very similar combination of bullets, powder & charge. Some of the factory "Match" ammunition is also very accurate in a broad spectrum of guns. Handgunner Magazine published an article detailing load development of the US Marine Corps Marksmanship Unit out of Quantico, VA after Federal ceased group testing each lot of their (previously used) .45 Match ammo. Shooting Sports USA published an article that went so far as to say this load was so good that if it didn't shoot to standards, the gun was scratched & rebuilt. If you look back in history a bit you'll find there are "standby" loads that have stood the test of time i.e., the .38 Special WC/BE loads. There is quite a lot of information available on loads providing exceptional accuracy in that can be found with a little creative research.

MinervaDoe
04-20-2010, 14:41
I'm just looking for a starting point here fellas. I've got a hot blue dot load (115 grain bullet from Speer #11) which makes ragged little groups when fired from any of my guns.

I've been reloading for twenty five years, so I understand that there is variance from gun to gun.

If you don't have a pet load to post, that's okay by me.

For 115 grain, my Lyman manual lists a Power Pistol load going 1212 fps as the most accurate.
In Ken Waters Pet Loads (9mm update), he lists a load for a 115 grain bullet going 1207 fps with Bullseye as very accurate. Peters gets a little too far on the hairy edge for me, his 2nd most accurate load for a 115 grain bullet is a Blue Dot load going 1,370 fps.

In a later article (9mm, re-update) Peters states, "SR-7625 is, to my mind, the one best powder for the 9mm. Not only is it superbly accurate with all bullet makes and weights, turning in the best average accuracy grouping of all, it isn't bulky and leaves very little bore fouling." ..... "SR-7625 gave best accuracy with four of the nine bullets, and wasn't especially particular as to which gun it was used in!"
Has anybody used SR-7625 in 9mm?

I have four pounds of Unique to burn through, so I'm willing to go with Peters comments about his "second choice":

Unique, as an old friend well known to most 9mm shooters lived up to its sterling record, capturing second place average accuracy.

Unique would be my alternative choice of powder for the 9mm.

D. Manley
04-20-2010, 15:42
I've been reloading for twenty five years, so I understand that there is variance from gun to gun.

If you don't have a pet load to post, that's okay by me.

I don't mind giving you some of mine. Each of the loads below is more accurate in my guns than I am. Some of these I worked up from scratch and some, were picked up from others. I did not include bullet brands and I'm sure you know that no load is better than the bullet you shoot. That said, they should do well with a variety of good bullets. None are maximum loads any of them should put a smile on your face when benched.


9MM (9X19)

115 Grain FMJ RN OAL: 1.14 (+/- .005)
115 Grain JHP - OAL: 1.10 (+/- .005)

4.8 Grains Vihta Vuori N-330
6.2 Grains Power Pistol
5.3 Grains Winchester WSF
5.9 Grains Ramshot Silhouette
6.1 Grains VihtaVuori 3-N-37

The below load is specifically for the 147 grain Remington FMC "Match" bullet. I obtained the load from a member here who is a dedicated GSF shooter and tried it on his recommendation. I only include it because it has proven extraordinarily accurate in a number of Glock pistols.

147 Grain Remington FMC-FP Match - OAL 1.130

5.0 Grains AA #5

ede
04-20-2010, 17:31
147 montana gold, 3.0 gr. titegroup, and a federal SPP. works great in my glocks, not tried it in my smith.

MinervaDoe
04-20-2010, 20:08
Thanks. I've got some WSF. I'll try that one early on.

I keep hearing about VihtaVuori and Power Pistol. I'll have to try them at some point soon.

Jayman
04-22-2010, 17:38
Hornady XTP or HAP bullets are stupid accurate in most pistols. I've had good luck with the XTP 147gr and 3.4gr of Titegroup with Fed SPP. I've also had good luck with that same combo and 5.7gr of Power Pistol. I believe that if you have a decent powder for that caliber and you choose a quality bullet, you'll probably do better than most people can accurately shoot.

dudel
04-22-2010, 17:41
Big + 1. That why we work up loads from a starting point. What works well in my G17 won't necessarily work well in yours. Barrels, rifling, etc have different wear. You're just going to have to work up a load to find YOUR best load.

It's not like baking a cake.

I don't want to sound like a smart*****, but this is going to be highly gun dependent. A Hi-Power is going to be very different from a G26 etc. Even the same model gun can have varying preferences between 2 examples.

MinervaDoe
04-22-2010, 18:43
Big + 1. That why we work up loads from a starting point. What works well in my G17 won't necessarily work well in yours. Barrels, rifling, etc have different wear. You're just going to have to work up a load to find YOUR best load.

It's not like baking a cake.

:supergrin: That's why I want more load data and I came here and asked you guys.

Keep those loads coming guys. I really appreciate it.

Here's what my Blue Dot load can do. I hope to tighten it up a little.
http://www.madmumblings.com/gallery/albums/archive/500/normal_Glock34a.jpg

HAMMERHEAD
04-22-2010, 18:47
SR 7625 is a great powder. Clean and cool burning (single base). It meters very well. I use it in 9mm and .38 Super with 124 XTP's/HAP's and 130 grain plated RN's with excellent results. I tried it in .38 special, but it is so position sensitive that I got some very wild velocity swings.
Never tried Unique
Besides the XTP's and HAP's, Remington 147 match FMJ's have been accurate in every gun I've shot them in. I use no crimp.

sig2009
04-23-2010, 11:49
5.3 gns WSF with 115gn FMJ.

dbarry
04-23-2010, 21:21
115gr fmj over 4.7 grains bullseye is one of my favorites

MinervaDoe
04-23-2010, 22:54
115gr fmj over 4.7 grains bullseye is one of my favorites
Maybe 1160 fps (just a SWAG) ... extrapolating from data points in a manual.
Again, my old Speer manual strikes again. I found a box of spent brass in my garage marked as using more Bullseye than you are using. I checked and it was the max load in my Speer #11 manual at 1222 fps. Both loads are off the scale on a Midway load maps manual I have which won't push the 115 grain over 1133 with Bullseye. Kind of conservative.

5.3 gns WSF with 115gn FMJ.
5.3 Grains Winchester WSF
It's encouraging when the data shows a pattern. :supergrin:
Two votes for the same load might be a good thing.
Maybe 1165 fps (yes, another SWAG)

In addition, to WSF (which I have),
I might try 5.1 grains of Unique. Midway loadmaps puts that at 1159 fps and that is well below the max loads in my Lyman and Speer manuals.

This will mostly be for my Glock 34, but 1160 fps will be hot enough to run the slide on my old Browning High Power GP Competition (which based on Chronograph testing needs at least 1140 fps to cycle reliably).

Thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

MinervaDoe
04-23-2010, 23:19
SR 7625 is a great powder. Clean and cool burning (single base). It meters very well. I use it in 9mm and .38 Super with 124 XTP's/HAP's and 130 grain plated RN's with excellent results.
In Pet Loads, Ken Waters runs a 115 grain bullet at 1247 fps with SR 7625 and says it is the most accurate load in that bullet. Again, too fast for me. Midway Loadmaps lists it's hottest load with SR 7625 as 5.2 grains at 1160 fps.
The Winchester Manual online lists its hottest SR 7625 for a 115 grain Gold Dot Hollow Point at 4.9 grains 1113 fps. The pressure looks really high.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
How many grains of powder do you use for the 9mm 124 grain bullet?

RH45
04-24-2010, 04:21
The two most accurate 9mm, minor, loads I've found for my pistols are both fueled by 4 grains of Titegroup. One is with a Zero, 125 grain, .356(.38 super) jhp, and the other is with the Hornady XTP ( I don't remember if it's 124, or, 125 grain)

just for fun
04-27-2010, 16:14
4.4 grains of Winchester Super Lite and 122 gain TC lead bullet. same bullet and 7.2 grains of AA-7. either one will shoot right along with your Blue Dot load.(I think Blue Dot and AA-7 are kissing cousins)

HAMMERHEAD
04-27-2010, 16:42
In Pet Loads, Ken Waters runs a 115 grain bullet at 1247 fps with SR 7625 and says it is the most accurate load in that bullet. Again, too fast for me. Midway Loadmaps lists it's hottest load with SR 7625 as 5.2 grains at 1160 fps.
The Winchester Manual online lists its hottest SR 7625 for a 115 grain Gold Dot Hollow Point at 4.9 grains 1113 fps. The pressure looks really high.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
How many grains of powder do you use for the 9mm 124 grain bullet?
I'm using 5.0 grains SR 7625 with a 124 XTP/HAP COL 1.080" and 130 .356" Rainier plated RN COL 1.125". Should be right at 1,000 fps.
My Sierra manual lists 5.4 as max with 124/125 FMJ/JHP or 130 FMJ. The Sierra manual's loads are always a little hotter than most. Hodgdon data is down right wimpy in comparison.
HS-6 seems like a better candidate for pushing for max velocities in 9mm, but SR 7625 is more accurate for me in 9mm and especially .38 Super where I can really notice a difference with my nice 1911.
SR 7625 might also be a good choice for lead bullets being single based.

HAMMERHEAD
04-27-2010, 16:45
The two most accurate 9mm, minor, loads I've found for my pistols are both fueled by 4 grains of Titegroup. One is with a Zero, 125 grain, .356(.38 super) jhp, and the other is with the Hornady XTP ( I don't remember if it's 124, or, 125 grain)
Titegroup is another winner in my book.

garander
04-28-2010, 17:30
115gr fmj and 6.1 grains of unique work great in my glock 19 and 26

wsf is another good 9mm powder

BBJones
04-28-2010, 18:16
115gr fmj and 6.1 grains of unique work great in my glock 19 and 26

wsf is another good 9mm powder

That is a pretty hot load for target shooting. Do you know what velocities you are getting out of the G19?

MinervaDoe
04-28-2010, 18:35
115gr fmj and 6.1 grains of unique work great in my glock 19 and 26
That is a pretty hot load for target shooting. Do you know what velocities you are getting out of the G19?
In Ken Waters Pet Loads, he has a 9mm 115 Grain load with 6.2 grains of Unique which goes 1220 fps out of a Beretta 92S (4.9 inch barrel - I assume, since the article doesn't say). My Midway USA Load Map book won't go over 5.4 grains of Unique. My Hornady manual (4th edition) won't go over 5.1 grains of Unique. The Hornady manual lists 5.1 grains of Unique as going 1150 fps out of a four inch barrel.

So, here you have one of those situations where there is a difference of nearly a grain of powder between the faster and slower load and nearly an inch more barrel length too. All to get just another 70 fps.

MinervaDoe
05-12-2010, 21:10
Thanks for all the data points guys. Here's a quick summary of the thread:
For 115 grain, my Lyman manual lists a Power Pistol load going 1212 fps as the most accurate.
In Ken Waters Pet Loads (9mm update), he lists a load for a 115 grain bullet going 1207 fps with Bullseye as very accurate.
9MM (9X19)

115 Grain FMJ RN OAL: 1.14 (+/- .005)
115 Grain JHP - OAL: 1.10 (+/- .005)

4.8 Grains Vihta Vuori N-330
6.2 Grains Power Pistol
5.3 Grains Winchester WSF
5.9 Grains Ramshot Silhouette
6.1 Grains VihtaVuori 3-N-37
147 montana gold, 3.0 gr. titegroup, and a federal SPP. works great in my glocks, not tried it in my smith.
Hornady XTP or HAP bullets are stupid accurate in most pistols. I've had good luck with the XTP 147gr and 3.4gr of Titegroup with Fed SPP. I've also had good luck with that same combo and 5.7gr of Power Pistol.
5.3 gns WSF with 115gn FMJ.
115gr fmj over 4.7 grains bullseye is one of my favorites
In addition, to WSF (which I have),
I might try 5.1 grains of Unique. Midway loadmaps puts that at 1159 fps and that is well below the max loads in my Lyman and Speer manuals.
Midway Loadmaps lists it's hottest load with SR 7625 as 5.2 grains at 1160 fps.
The Winchester Manual online lists its hottest SR 7625 for a 115 grain Gold Dot Hollow Point at 4.9 grains 1113 fps.
The two most accurate 9mm, minor, loads I've found for my pistols are both fueled by 4 grains of Titegroup. One is with a Zero, 125 grain, .356(.38 super) jhp, and the other is with the Hornady XTP ( I don't remember if it's 124, or, 125 grain)
I'm using 5.0 grains SR 7625 with a 124 XTP/HAP COL 1.080" and 130 .356" Rainier plated RN COL 1.125". Should be right at 1,000 fps.
115gr fmj and 6.1 grains of unique work great in my glock 19 and 26
In Ken Waters Pet Loads, he has a 9mm 115 Grain load with 6.2 grains of Unique which goes 1220 fps out of a Beretta 92S (4.9 inch barrel - I assume, since the article doesn't say). My Midway USA Load Map book won't go over 5.4 grains of Unique. My Hornady manual (4th edition) won't go over 5.1 grains of Unique. The Hornady manual lists 5.1 grains of Unique as going 1150 fps out of a four inch barrel.

freakshow10mm
05-12-2010, 23:17
5.3gr WSF or 6.2gr PP with a 115gr FMJ.

4.7gr WSF or 5.5gr PP with a 124gr FMJ. For lead, add .1gr to each.

5.0gr HS6 or 6.8gr 3N38 with 147gr XTP.

Be extremely careful with this load. It's .1gr under published max but GFL if your brass lets go, you will have quite the pucker factor to contend with. Do not substitute any bullet when using that data and work up in .1gr increments. I've seen some hinky stuff with this combination. That said, it's an honest 1200fps from a 4 inch if I've ever seen one.

VN350X10
05-12-2010, 23:37
I've been running 4.9 of N320 with a 115 gr Rem JHP for about 9 years. It's .2+ from a listed max NOW, but was a listed max load when I started using it.
Clocks about 1260 out of my G34, pf is almost 145, wish I could shoot as well as that load does !
But it was a shotgun from my son's Para 9mm LDA; groups were double the Glock's size.

uncle albert

HAMMERHEAD
05-13-2010, 03:42
5.3gr WSF or 6.2gr PP with a 115gr FMJ.

4.7gr WSF or 5.5gr PP with a 124gr FMJ. For lead, add .1gr to each.

5.0gr HS6 or 6.8gr 3N38 with 147gr XTP.

Be extremely careful with this load. It's .1gr under published max but GFL if your brass lets go, you will have quite the pucker factor to contend with. Do not substitute any bullet when using that data and work up in .1gr increments. I've seen some hinky stuff with this combination. That said, it's an honest 1200fps from a 4 inch if I've ever seen one.

Welcome back freak.

Hoser
05-14-2010, 10:29
.... it's an honest 1200fps from a 4 inch if I've ever seen one.

I thought you got all mad and quit this forum.

freakshow10mm
05-14-2010, 11:03
I thought you got all mad and quit this forum.
Read post #26 here.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1219968

MinervaDoe
05-14-2010, 17:45
Hangs his head.

Okay, so I loaded up 50 rounds today. I used my old Hornady #4 manual and was just a hair under their maximum load of 5.1 for Unique (115 grain JHP). It was relatively accurate (my groups made one tight ragged hole), but wouldn't even cycle my Glock 34.

So, then I looked at all my other manuals and their maximum loads for Unique use much more powder. Alliant lists just one recipe, of 6.1 grains of Unique for the 115 grain bullet. So, I think I'm going to try a load of 5.8 grains of Unique. Anybody ever try a load similar to this? Waters claimed 6.2 grains of Unique was a "good load" for a 115 grain 9mm.

Interestingly, my Hornady #5 manual no longer lists Unique for a 115 grain 9mm. I guess the Hornady guys never really got this powder dialed in.
I'm starting with Unique since I have a lot of it.

BBJones
05-14-2010, 18:09
115gr in front of 5.8 Unique is a good medium load. I am guessing you will be around 1200 fps out of a G34. It should burn cleaner than the 5.1. I use 5.3-5.4 for a plinking load, but loaded up to 5.7 or 5.8 when testing.

Eventually, I will try to work up a hot load for 124 GD's. I think I can get 1200fps without any problem. Have to try it to find out.

cysoto
05-14-2010, 19:46
I thought you got all mad and quit this forum.
Let's see how long it takes before he "quits" again... :whistling:

MinervaDoe
05-14-2010, 21:55
I loaded up 6.0 grains of Unique with a 115 gain bullet and took them to the range. The group tightened up a little from the 5.0 grain load and the gun functioned flawlessly. :supergrin:
I'm going to load up a bunch of these and then move on to some WSF loads.

I'm pulling all of the bullets from my old Bullseye and Blue Dot loads. .... Long story ... old powder .... hot loads .... overpressure .....

Guntrainer
09-04-2011, 23:22
If you want a reasonable load that will shoot well, a good 147 gr bullet behind HS-6 or WSF is a good place to start.

Some of this is going to be on your loading procedure. Excessive crimp may hurt accuracy a little. Mixing brass is going to open up groups. My 17L, 24, and 35 get lovingly loaded ammo with matching headstamps. My training ammo for the 17, 21, and 22 gets mixed brass.

The more obsessive you are with your loading technique, the better results you are likely to get.

I tend to throttle down match ammo. I like heavier bullets at a moderate velocity in my Match Glocks. YMMV

meleors
09-05-2011, 00:21
4.7gr WSF or 5.5gr PP with a 124gr FMJ. For lead, add .1gr to each.



Why would you add powder for lead? Shouldn't your lead be loaded weaker?

gary newport
09-05-2011, 02:40
Fred's gonna kick my butt for this, however, I must say it like it is!

My best 9mm load is: Montana Gold 147 CMJ, 1.13 COL, with 3.5 grains of Bullseye--there, I said it! :embarassed:

I tried various other powders (Titegroup, Unique, Universal, N340, 3N37, WSF, True Blue), but the current BE load just works. I first tried this load only a few weeks ago, but it shows accuracy out of my G17 at 25 yards with my wrists on a sandbag and it showed accuracy at my last GSSF match. Recoil is very pleasant.

I haven't had a chance to chrongraph this load yet, so I don't know if it should be tweaked up (or down) for competitions requiring a 125 power factor. (I'd like to have a PF of around 130 out of a G17 and more out of a G34 for IDPA SSP or USPSA Production.)

In my opinion, Bullseye's reputation for being "dirty" is overstated--it produces a fair amount of soot--but that is easily wiped off and unlikely to clog up a gun.

Curiously, the 9mm Bullseye loads seem cleaner than my .45 GAP/ACP Bullseye loads. Perhaps BE burns cleaner at higher pressures.

gforester
09-06-2011, 17:17
Nevermind, this was off topic anyway.

RH45
09-06-2011, 18:02
Nevermind, this was off topic anyway.

No, I don't think you were off topic.

1.08-1.09" OAL sounds awful short. I generally load 125 jhps to at least 1.12"

The shorter the OAL, the higher the pressure.

gforester
09-06-2011, 19:01
No, I don't think you were off topic.

1.08-1.09" OAL sounds awful short. I generally load 125 jhps to at least 1.12"

The shorter the OAL, the higher the pressure.

I was using an OAL that is specified for Hornady XTP's. I believe the MG's are reasonably close to them in size and shape. They are rather cone shaped and I didn't want the full diameter portion to contact the barrel lands. I did get some more data points on these bullets when I posted a separate thread.

digbmx4130
09-06-2011, 19:19
My sr9c enjoys 125gr lrn @ 4.0 of hp38.

bigleaf
09-06-2011, 19:23
I've had great luck in Glock 26 and 34 and Kahr P9 Covert with the following, and this is a target load:

147 gr. Montana Gold CMJ
3.4 gr. TiteGroup
1.13 OAL
Federal 100 Small Pistol primer

Just the most accurate I've tried. And it knocks down the steel, too.

leeward419
09-07-2011, 04:35
My current 9MM accuracy load is 115 MG HP and 6.3 GRNS of Alliant Power Pistol
I am also working on a 124 HP with blue dot, which I have read can be insanely accurate. I suspect this may be true as my best load ever for 357SIG was 147 GRN HP XTP with blue dot.
My experience with unique was that it is a great powder and can be very accurate, the powder would spill when I rotated the progressive press because of Unique really fills the case due to its bulk

fredj338
09-07-2011, 08:52
Hornady XTP or HAP bullets are stupid accurate in most pistols. I've had good luck with the XTP 147gr and 3.4gr of Titegroup with Fed SPP. I've also had good luck with that same combo and 5.7gr of Power Pistol. I believe that if you have a decent powder for that caliber and you choose a quality bullet, you'll probably do better than most people can accurately shoot.

Agree, a terrifc bullet for pure accuracy, but pricey. My best loads will do right @ 1" @ 50ft, under 2" @ 25yds, & that is probably me. THe 124grXTP, 5.5gr of Unique @ 1.120".:whistling:

MinervaDoe
09-07-2011, 10:24
THe 124grXTP, 5.5gr of Unique @ 1.120".:whistling:
Perfect timing. I have 1,000 rounds of Precision Delta 124 Grain FMJ 9mm and five pounds of Unique.
Would you adjust the powder weight any for FMJ?

I also want to try Freakshow's WSF load.

4.7gr WSF or 5.5gr PP with a 124gr FMJ.

fredj338
09-07-2011, 17:58
I would certainly work upto it, as with any upper end load, but I have gone hotter. The FMJ will load to a longer OAL, reducing pressures & vel a bit, but depending on your OAL, 5.5gr should work w/ the 124gr FMJ.

MinervaDoe
09-07-2011, 19:03
I would certainly work upto it, as with any upper end load, but I have gone hotter. The FMJ will load to a longer OAL, reducing pressures & vel a bit, but depending on your OAL, 5.5gr should work w/ the 124gr FMJ.
When you said work up to it, I pulled out my good old conservative Hornady manual. I see that you are .5 of a grain higher than their maximum load. But, it's still on the charts with my radical old Speer Reloading Manual #11. I will dial it down a little bit.

fredj338
09-07-2011, 23:41
When you said work up to it, I pulled out my good old conservative Hornady manual. I see that you are .5 of a grain higher than their maximum load. But, it's still on the charts with my radical old Speer Reloading Manual #11. I will dial it down a little bit.
The new SPeer #14 hasn't changed; goes to 5.8gr w/ the GD. I find the 5.5gr load a good non +P load. Push it up to 5.8gr & depending on OAL & bullet type, you are tickling +P, but just. I have gone to 6gr under a 124gr RGS for 1220fps in my G17. It is warm, but fine w/ that bullet @ 1.135"OAL.