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GAFinch
04-25-2010, 21:45
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You can't see this gun!

I had been planning on buying a 18.5" scattergun for a bit now, wanting something simple so I could get in some serious range time. I decided to get one with a choke on it so I could use birdshot, target loads, and buckshot w/o flight control wads. For the buckshot, buying the $11 value packs at Walmart saves me $25-30 per 100 rounds over the Federal ammo I used to buy.

I figured I'd try to find an 870 police at a halfway decent price, until my friendly gun shop guy showed me the Mossberg 535 and 835, since he had them in stock for turkey season. Even though they're "hunting" models, the 535 had a 22" barrel and the 835 a 20", both with screw in chokes. Both had a sling, ventilated recoil pad, checkered buttstock, and a ported turkey choke, while the 835 also had an over-bored barrel. While it prevents you from using slugs, it reduces recoil and slightly tightens the shot spread.

I know the camo doesn't look tactical, but it would be useful for SHTF/survival scenarios, while being short enough to use in the home. I also love the fiber optic sights on them, both for range and lowlight HD use. At $370 for the 535 and $430 for the 835, you get a lot of upgrades from the standard 500/870 models, while being much cheaper than the 590A1 or 870 Police, if you don't want an extension tube anyway.



Here's a couple pics using value pack buckshot from Walmart:

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As you can see, it still produces a decent 5" spread at 7 yards, even with a full choke.


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I'm planning to try it again soon with an improved choke.


ETA: I picked up the 835 model. I can easily shoot twice as much buckshot than with the 500 I used to have, but never enjoyed shooting.

Quigley
04-25-2010, 21:55
Very nice. I am thinking on getting a decent tactical shotgun myself pretty soon.

NWanner
04-26-2010, 12:07
I turned my 835 into a 'tactical' gun as well. Swapped out the 20" choked & over-bored barrel for a factory 18.5" smoothbore, added an extension that fits flush with the 18.5" barrel, and swapped out the thumbhole stock for a Knoxx SpecOps. It's now a tactical gun that has the option of shooting 3.5" slugs and buckshot :)

Victoriagotagun
04-26-2010, 12:26
I turned my 835 into a 'tactical' gun as well. Swapped out the 20" choked & over-bored barrel for a factory 18.5" smoothbore, added an extension that fits flush with the 18.5" barrel, and swapped out the thumbhole stock for a Knoxx SpecOps. It's now a tactical gun that has the option of shooting 3.5" slugs and buckshot :)

I didn't know they made a factory 835 18.5" barrel? I know the 18.5" 590A1 barrels will fit but you can't shoot 3.5" shells through it.

NWanner
04-26-2010, 13:54
I didn't know they made a factory 835 18.5" barrel? I know the 18.5" 590A1 barrels will fit but you can't shoot 3.5" shells through it.

You have to special order it and it takes about 4 weeks to come in. I believe it was around $110 shipped.

Nutt51
05-01-2010, 11:37
Noticed on your targets that you were firing 00 buck with a
Turkey choke. The Turkey choke is not good for buckshot,
it is more to a full choke and constricts to much.
You will get better pattern with a Cyl. bore which is no choke,
or a Improved Cyl. which is next with little choke in an up close
situation with buckshot. Modified choke smoothbore is good for
rifled slugs.
Nothing wrong with your camo Mossy at all, it will do the job and
serve you well.

dc2integra
05-01-2010, 16:38
nice shotgun

jhooten
05-01-2010, 19:37
Noticed on your targets that you were firing 00 buck with a
Turkey choke. The Turkey choke is not good for buckshot,
it is more to a full choke and constricts to much.
You will get better pattern with a Cyl. bore which is no choke,
or a Improved Cyl. which is next with little choke in an up close
situation with buckshot. Modified choke smoothbore is good for
rifled slugs.
Nothing wrong with your camo Mossy at all, it will do the job and
serve you well.


Ever read a Remington Buckshot box?

On the top flap in bold letters it says "May be used with any choke, but best results with full choke."

JDinNC
05-01-2010, 21:06
:popcorn:

GAFinch
05-01-2010, 21:14
Ever read a Remington Buckshot box?

On the top flap in bold letters it says "May be used with any choke, but best results with full choke."

Yeah, I noticed that too.

GAFinch
05-01-2010, 21:42
Noticed on your targets that you were firing 00 buck with a
Turkey choke. The Turkey choke is not good for buckshot,
it is more to a full choke and constricts to much.
You will get better pattern with a Cyl. bore which is no choke,
or a Improved Cyl. which is next with little choke in an up close
situation with buckshot. Modified choke smoothbore is good for
rifled slugs.
Nothing wrong with your camo Mossy at all, it will do the job and
serve you well.

Wasn't trying to say a turkey choke is best for HD, just that chokes in general can give you more versatility than an open cylinder. I was surprised to see that even with the turkey choke, however, I still got a 5" spread at 7 yards, which I've heard other people say you need an open cylinder to achieve. The indoor range I was at was just getting too crowded before I could switch over to the improved choke.

Nutt51
05-03-2010, 10:29
I am no expert and sure did not mean to sound like I knew best, but
I was refering to a shorter barrel tactical shotgun for HD.
A hunting shotgun with a longer barrel and full choke would sure get
a tighter pattern when hunting deer in the 35-45 yard range.
I am pretty sure that's the reason for the recommendation on the
Remington box. Was not trying to be critical or judgmental, just
my opinion on bore and pattern for HD shotgun.
Here is some interesting information on shotguns for HD.

<style></style> The 12 gauge shotgun is the most devastating and lethal weapon yet devised for inflicting rack and ruin at close range. A safe bet for ammunition selection is to use the 2-3/4-inch 00 buckshot load. The impact of one of these shot shells is essentially equivalent to getting hit with a nine round burst from a submachine gun.
It is probably a good idea to avoid the 2-3/4- and 3-inch "Magnum" loads. Their brutal kick makes them a bad choice, and little is gained over the stopping power of standard rounds. Controllability is important, and standard 12 gauge shotgun shells have plenty of kick already.
Some misconceptions may exist regarding the spread of shotgun pellets or balls. It is not enough to merely point the shotgun in the general direction of an assailant and let fly. Birdshot or buckshot does not create a huge cone of death and destruction that devastates everything in its path. Rather, for a defense or "riot" shotgun with an 18- to 20-inch open choked "improved cylinder" barrel, the pellets will spread out about one inch for every yard of range traveled. Across a large room of 18 feet or so, the spread will only be about 6 inches, a circle as big as a coffee cup saucer. At 50 feet, the spread will only be about 16 inches, the size of a large pizza. It is obvious from this information that a shotgun blast will not incapacitate multiple assailants at close range.
The shotgun must be skillfully aimed and fired. Aiming is just not quite as precise as that required for a handgun or autoloader to score multiple hits on an aggressor. The massive firepower of the shotgun will likely produce a favorable outcome in any self defense encounter.