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Retired Squid
04-30-2010, 18:37
The reason I ask is this is a gun so simple to take apart to bare frame and reassemble in 10 or 15 minutes with no special tools or training. I'm not trying to make fun of you guys that are Glock Armorer's and have sight tools and training on other guns and can do minor repairs. I have done everything to my Glocks except replace the sights, all my Glocks have the sights from fractory I like so never had the need to remove and replace with another sight.

But I have heard one or two here that seemed to think it was something really special, but am I wondering if I am jaded because of very strong background in small instrument repair, machine shop, electronics, optics and being around guns all my life.

So light your flame throwers and have at it fellows, but do give some actual info please.

G33
04-30-2010, 20:16
For LE departments they need certification in everything these days.
Lawyer up.
:supergrin::supergrin:

Retired Squid
04-30-2010, 20:34
For LE departments they need certification in everything these days.
Lawyer up.
:supergrin::supergrin:Tort Lawyers is the reason then? Sounds like a possibility. I guess all dept's now days frown on officers messing with their issue gear.

leadslinger13
04-30-2010, 21:20
I have wandered the same thing for years. Still there are many people who feel that the internal working of their weapons are either a mystery or don't want to take the time to learn. they would rather have someone else do the work. I think they would be surprised at how super simple the Glock is and marvel at its engineering. It only enhanced my appreciation for the weapon even further.

samurairabbi
04-30-2010, 22:40
A high level Glock armorer can successfully diagnose problems when they happen to a Glock. This requires more than just assembly/disassembly knowledge. Diagnosis and cure of failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to eject, etc., is not a trivial task.

Retired Squid
05-01-2010, 06:22
A high level Glock armorer can successfully diagnose problems when they happen to a Glock. This requires more than just assembly/disassembly knowledge. Diagnosis and cure of failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to eject, etc., is not a trivial task.Some what true I guess, but it's not rocket science to figure FF'S and FE's because there is not exactly too many things that cause the problem. But LS13 I think has pretty much hit the nail on the head as for why so many people will not do but the least amount necessary to maintain anything mechanical. When I showed a few people the Cominolli manual safety for a Glock I installed they were really impressed and asked who did install. They were just amazed that I did the job and one guy asked if I was a trained gunsmith. They just could not understand that the install is that simple and takes 15 minutes or less.

So there is a need I guess for a person with some basic gunsmith skills to help the person that does not have those very basic skills that are required for whatever reason and the Armorer then fills that niche between common minor repair or tunning that a skilled gunsmith would rather not waste time on when he can be doing major gun work such as de-horning to complete building of a custom rifle or handgun.

Before I asked this question my thoughts were why brag about being a person that can take a Glock apart and put it back together when a monkey could be trained to do that easy enough. I guess I had not really thought about how so many people are mystified or scared of anything mechanical.

SAWMAN
05-01-2010, 09:04
If someone wants to pay Glock to become a "certified,genuine,official,authorized,know it all,Glock armorer",that's fine with me(really it is)but.....I can do what is needed to my Glocks,including find the problem and fix the problem,same as a Glock "GURU" can.

Some feel they need to become a holder of a piece of paper,I happen NOT to be one of them. The day that I need to contact a Glock Armorer to get something fixed on my Glocks is the day I put them all up for sale.

CRAP.....I own 1911's and I am not a "Colt Armorer". I don't feel inadequate about that either.

A good dose of common sense is really all you need. Heck...Glocks are so easy even a cave man could do it.

Retired Squid
05-01-2010, 09:22
Heck...Glocks are so easy even a cave man could do it. :rofl:

Man you're too much even if you can't space you sentence's worth a crap. :whistling:

lethal tupperwa
05-01-2010, 09:24
amazing how simple Glocks are to work on-------

Amazing how screwed up they can get when some shoemaker works on them.

Fire_Medic
05-01-2010, 09:35
I took my class for the experience and to be able to buy parts at cost directly from Glock. But as luck would have it later on down the road from when I took my class someone offered me a job making decent money because I have that piece of paper.

Also sometimes there are certain parts Glock would send someone for free but only to a local armorer not to the individual, so my piece of paper helps me and my buddy's there in that aspect.

But yes I agree these guns are VERY easy to work on when needed which is not often. Most of the problematic Glocks I have seen that have issues, do so only because of something the owner did.
:wavey:

Retired Squid
05-01-2010, 09:35
amazing how simple Glocks are to work on-------

Amazing how screwed up they can get when some shoemaker works on them.We had a saying back in my USN days, "Nothing is sailor proof'". I have seen so many "certified" people in all kinds of fields that were a joke and made me wonder who the idiot was that certified the individual.

lethal tupperwa
05-01-2010, 11:31
Like an old Chief saying, "watch this s***".

Retired Squid
05-01-2010, 14:12
Like an old Chief saying, "watch this s***".You betcha. :yawn:

MakeMineA10mm
05-01-2010, 15:04
Here's some thoughts on being an armorer:

1. Yes, there is a huge truth that LE depts. must have certified people to do stuff. CYA.

2. Having gone through the class I became MUCH more confident and comfortable doing stuff. In addition, there are many "tricks of the trade" that you get taught in Armorer's class, such as what to do when someone accidentally reassembles their Glock after field-stripping, and the last 1/4" of the guide rod is sticking out...

3. There are technical issues that you are taught to diagnose at the lowest (and at this time, the only) level of armorer's course, such as how to "adjust" fixed sights, and other issues.

4. There has been a lot of joking about Armorer's titles really being "part's switchers" and I gotta give the jokster's a lot of credit on that one, because that is pretty much the answer to most every problem you're taught about in the basic armorer's course. (That, and "send it back to Smyrna, and we'll fix it...")

5. The biggest service I provide to my department as the armorer is the annual detail-strip, cleaning, inspection, and function-check. With carrying a gun daily and shooting it 3-5 times a year with only a field-strip cleaning in the aggitene tank at the range, that yearly detail strip and clean really keeps the weapons at their peak of service-ability. Almost never find anything wrong that a good detail-strip cleaning won't take care of. In the five or six years I've been doing this, I've had to replace three recoil springs and one plastic part that cracked. Not bad out of a dozen guns carried daily for about 10 years.

Kegs
05-01-2010, 15:21
For the low price of $79.95 they can change your glock to make it a true piece of CDI kit. :supergrin:

Roneye
05-13-2010, 20:32
Food for thought, an individual works on their personal glock when needed so you may assemble and disasemble your Glock once or twice a week. Let's say you have three glocks so you are familiar whith three different glock models Whereas a lot of armorers work on many different glock models some have experience with every model maybe even the 18 and they do it day in and day out five or six days a week sometimes more than 5 or 6 guns a day. Which would the average shooter rather have work on their Glock?

freakshow10mm
05-14-2010, 10:04
I do a lot of armorer stuff for the local LE agencies because none of them maintain an armorer. I work on their Glocks, ARs, and M16s as well as load and supply all their training ammunition. I had to go through the hoops to get the cool paperwork to satisfy the agency protocol. They paid for the courses and I paid travel and other expenses.

HOV
05-14-2010, 11:48
What is a Certified Glock Armorer 'do?

One of many possibilities:

http://gosmiley.com/eyecatcher/images/funny_hair_style_hand.jpg

ultra45
05-14-2010, 12:00
Everything everybody else said, plus, you get to purchase 2 guns a yr at LE prices.

DVLDGS
04-30-2013, 15:06
Im a Marine Combat Vet thats interested in becoming a GA... If Im not working for anyone in the Firearms industry, Is it still possible for me to obtain a GA from Glock? If so, what are the pre-reques? There are a few coming to my town that I was looking at but not sure if I would be allowed to attend...

Thanks..:patriot:

lethal tupperwa
04-30-2013, 15:25
If you are a GSSF member it is one of the perks.

and If the class is not LE only you can attend for the fee.

DVLDGS
04-30-2013, 15:29
If you are a GSSF member it is one of the perks.

and If the class is not LE only you can attend for the fee.
So if I become a GSSF Member for a year I can go to the class for free?

wolf19r
04-30-2013, 15:31
I did it out of intrest and to ads to my resume.

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samurairabbi
04-30-2013, 15:32
The SEASONED Glock armorer will be able to routinely diagnose when things go WRONG in a particular pistol. This is a big cut above disassembly, assembly, and knowing which part to order when something OBVIOUS breaks or is installed incorrectly.

AZson
04-30-2013, 17:24
The only bad thing I can think about becoming a Glock armorer, is you have to be re-certified every year. But parts are cheap. A buddy of mine became one, talked his way into a LE class. We sat down a ordered just about every part we thought would ware out in our guns such as springs, mag springs, safety plungers and firing pin cups and I think it cost us about $25 each.

DVLDGS
04-30-2013, 17:26
I thought it was every 3 years.. I saw some certs online with a start date and end date which was 3 years apart...

samurairabbi
04-30-2013, 17:28
The only bad thing I can think about becoming a Glock armorer, is you have to be re-certified every year.
It's every three years.

lethal tupperwa
05-01-2013, 06:04
your information is, like many u tube videos, incorrect.

you do not have to recertify each year.

lethal tupperwa
05-01-2013, 06:06
if you are a GSSF member there is a fee.

it is Not Free.

happie2shoot
05-05-2013, 17:21
:rofl:

Man you're too much even if you can't space you sentence's worth a crap. :whistling:

I'm a bad speller but that doesen't look right to this old
ignorant son of a bee hive.

you can't space you sentence's

countrygun
05-05-2013, 17:30
I'm a bad speller but that doesen't look right to this old
ignorant son of a bee hive.

you can't space you sentence's

No apostrophe needed since "sentences" is a plural rather than a possessive.

happie2shoot
05-05-2013, 18:31
No apostrophe needed since "sentences" is a plural rather than a possessive.

you sentences or your sentences

redbaron007
05-06-2013, 07:43
The majority of Glock owners know how to field strip a Glock; few know how or feel confident in doing a complete disassemble. Those that think they can, usually struggle putting it back together and sometimes loose parts. Are there folks out there that can take apart and put back together any Glock...Yep!

Just like I know several who can tear down an engine and put back together with their eyes closed, including myself....I'm not sure I would use them in analyzing/trouble shooting my engine, I'd probably take it someone who has more knowledge. Although Glocks are simple, many still struggle with the details.

I've see several where they have lost the firing-pin spring/caps and lubricate the firing pin channel too much.

YMMV

:wavey:

red

vaquero aleman
05-06-2013, 20:41
Yes Sir! I still remember the day that my spring loaded bearing went sailing across the horizon, never to be found. I learned to appreciate glockparts.com very quickly.

glock_collector
05-07-2013, 14:21
If you are chuck norris and an armorer.....whatever you want.

redbaron007
05-07-2013, 15:53
Yes Sir! I still remember the day that my spring loaded bearing went sailing across the horizon, never to be found. I learned to appreciate glockparts.com very quickly.

Myself included! :thumbsup:

:wavey:

red

Brian Lee
05-08-2013, 10:55
..............But I have heard one or two here that seemed to think it was something really special, but am I wondering if I am jaded because of very strong background in small instrument repair, machine shop, electronics, optics and being around guns all my life.


You are already several times more skilled than a Glock certified armorer. An armorer is not - NOT - even close to being comparable to a skilled gunsmith or anyone else with the experience you already have.

That's one of the reasons Glocks are such a reasonably priced gun compared to many. They were specifically designed for slap-together-assembly by monkeys, so that they would not require the skills of a gunsmith during assembly or for most (hardly any actually) repairs. I could teach a bright 12 year old in only about an hour, to completely assemble new Glocks in only a few minutes each. It's that easy.

An armorer gets more training than that of course, because they are expected to understand enough about how the mechanism works so that they can do trouble shooting, but it's still very minimal training & VERY quick to get through it, and does not involve anything you could really call gunsmithing (metal cutting & fitting) at all.

Brian Lee
05-08-2013, 11:01
:rofl:

Man you're too much even if you can't space you sentence's worth a crap. :whistling:

He's right - it IS so easy a cave man could do it.

Too many people in this world have an inordinate fear of screwing up anything mechanical, so they never try to learn, and never realize how easily they could become an expert in such things if they would only ditch the fear and try.

blastfact
05-10-2013, 21:45
My hats off to a glock cert. person or anybody else that has paid the money and got there certs for a engineering idea based on service. And lived to not kill anybody.

I have enough factory cert's to make me a brain child in the boiler, chiller, control, pump world. You would think I was priceless. If I make a mistake the whole world comes down on me.

A glock fails a few folks may die. I screw up with a boiler, chiller or one of it's controls. I can level a city block!

And I will teach anybody at the drop of a hat. Ask and I will teach!

A Glock? Yesterdays new's. All they take is a 3rd grade education too understand.