P30 vs USPC vs G23 [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : P30 vs USPC vs G23


weare138
05-12-2010, 18:05
Im looking to get a new off duty sidearm. We're allowed to carry anything just as long as we qualify with it on our own. Originally I was looking to get a G23, but after holding a USPc yesterday i dream of the day of when I buy my first HK. 40S&W will be the caliber.

Two questions: Anyone have a side by side comparison between the HKs and the Glock in question?

And can some one school me on the HK's recoil reduction/management. How do the two HKs in question shoot compared to the G23. I've shot the G23 before and feel Im more accurate with it than my issued G22. The USPc fit nice in my hand and I can just imagine how the P30 would be.

Thanks

Swamprattler
05-12-2010, 18:29
I have both the G23 and the HK P30s. I have years of experience with the G23, and have always liked and often carried this gun. Having now owned and fired the HK P30s, I can only sing high praises for this gun. It, for me, is more accurate and easier to stay on target than the G23. I thought there might be slightly less recoil because of the recoil buffer, but cannot really tell that much difference. Having always liked the glock midsize models (g23, g19, g36), I am convinced no other handgun on the market that I am aware of fits my hand like the HK P 30s. Good luck with your decision.

weare138
05-12-2010, 18:39
What is the difference between the P30 and the P30s?

majette
05-12-2010, 19:19
p30s has a frame mounted safety in addition to the rear decocker.

Hokie1911
05-13-2010, 08:46
p30s has a frame mounted safety in addition to the rear decocker.

Hello cocked & locked.

H&K 4 LIFE
05-13-2010, 10:51
I own/shoot all three (although P30 is in 9mm). They are all nice firearms.

The major deciding factor will be the different triggers on each. Of course the HK's will offer more options in terms of condition of carry. Also, in my experience the USPc has a shorter SA reset then the P30.

I used to really hate the recoil of the G23 compared to my USPc. The USPc's felt recoil is softer, but after firing the G23 a bit more it has grow on me alot and recoil is not so much of a big deal any longer. I feel this is due in no small part to me just becoming a more experienced and better shooter.

If I had to choose just one it would be the USPc .40. :)

weare138
05-13-2010, 14:53
thanks everyone.

Anyone have and side by side pics of a G23/19 and a USPc?

Hokie1911
05-13-2010, 14:56
Had a 3rd gen G23. Sold it for a USP9c. Had to sell that a while back unfortunately because I needed some quick cash. My next purchase will be 9mm P30S when they come out this summer. The feel in hand is fantastic. Plus I will be able to carry cocked & locked, which is why I prefer the P30 > P2000.

If you go with the USPc, you won't be sorry. It's a great shooter and is built like a tank. I considered getting another one until I held the P30. If it's good enough for Jack Bauer, it will be just fine for you. :thumbsup:

Hokie1911
05-13-2010, 15:03
thanks everyone.

Anyone have and side by side pics of a G23/19 and a USPc?

Found this out there on the interweb...

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs095.snc3/16243_224138017532_554172532_4105292_5082510_n.jpg

weare138
05-13-2010, 15:42
I own/shoot all three (although P30 is in 9mm). They are all nice firearms.

The major deciding factor will be the different triggers on each. Of course the HK's will offer more options in terms of condition of carry. Also, in my experience the USPc has a shorter SA reset then the P30.

I used to really hate the recoil of the G23 compared to my USPc. The USPc's felt recoil is softer, but after firing the G23 a bit more it has grow on me alot and recoil is not so much of a big deal any longer. I feel this is due in no small part to me just becoming a more experienced and better shooter.

If I had to choose just one it would be the USPc .40. :)

thanks for the input of the different trigger characteristics.
the recoil on the G23 doesnt bother me at all. But if the USPc has a lower felt recoil that helps me get on target faster then Im all for it.

weare138
05-13-2010, 15:44
Found this out there on the interweb...

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs095.snc3/16243_224138017532_554172532_4105292_5082510_n.jpg

can you get a different floorplate for the USPc mag that doesnt have the finger shelf?

obxemt
05-13-2010, 19:15
I've owned and carried off-duty the USP-C .40, P2000 .40, P2000sk .357, and Glock 19.

For all around utility and cost, the Glocks really are hard to beat, especially since you can get a new one with 3 magazines and night sights delivered to your agency for $500.

But I'm tired of Glock. Everyone has one and they're great tools, but most average cops don't carry HKs off-duty. I like the "different" factor a great deal. I just got my second P2000 as a replacement for my off-duty Glock 19. With flat base plates, if you're an HK fan, the USP-C or P2000 is impossible to beat.

Hokie1911
05-13-2010, 19:35
can you get a different floorplate for the USPc mag that doesnt have the finger shelf?

Sure can. I was able to get flat baseplates for my USPc. Can't remember where, but I was able to find them online pretty easily and they were pretty cheap. HK logo on the bottom.

Gotta love Google...
http://www.robertrtg.com/uspcflatplates.html

schiffer99
05-13-2010, 22:47
Since you mentioned this is an "off duty" sidearm, I'm assuming that while on duty you have a required sidearm?

If you do have a required duty weapon, get the same gun type for off duty. I tried to do the 1911 on duty and baby glock off, but I soon realized I was cheating myself as far as training went. As I couldn't afford two nice 1911's, I went all glock. Its better to get full training on one platform type, than 1/2 training on two different systems.

That being said... get the P2000 with the LEM trigger... that gun rules.

weare138
05-14-2010, 07:01
Since you mentioned this is an "off duty" sidearm, I'm assuming that while on duty you have a required sidearm?

If you do have a required duty weapon, get the same gun type for off duty. I tried to do the 1911 on duty and baby glock off, but I soon realized I was cheating myself as far as training went. As I couldn't afford two nice 1911's, I went all glock. Its better to get full training on one platform type, than 1/2 training on two different systems.

That being said... get the P2000 with the LEM trigger... that gun rules.


Thats what ToddG said on the HKPRO forums and I do understand the reasoning behind the same manual of arms. A G22 is my issued firearm with a NY1 trigger. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I find I dont have a hard time changing from a DOA to a DA/SA (used to own a Sig 220st DA/SA). I havent seen a HK with a an LEM in my local store. A G19 or 23 is on my must own list.

obxemt
05-15-2010, 07:39
can you get a different floorplate for the USPc mag that doesnt have the finger shelf?

See the last sentence of post #12.

Regarding the seller recommended in post #13: I made my first purchase from them 10 years ago and my most recent last week. Couldn't be happier.

...I find I dont have a hard time changing from a DOA to a DA/SA (used to own a Sig 220st DA/SA). I havent seen a HK with a an LEM in my local store. A G19 or 23 is on my must own list.

I never did either. The gun is just a tool, and for law enforcement/combat shooting, if you can pull the trigger under stress, you can use the weapon effectively.

Most P2000s come in the LEM variant, so look for those locally. It has a Glock-like feel to it with longer reset. I hated it on my first P2000 but I'm slowly getting used to it.

Chowser
05-15-2010, 08:21
You can get the flat baseplate at hkparts.net. I just bought one for my new USP compact. :)
I am issued a Glock 31 at work and carry a Glock 33 on my vest as a back-up. But off-duty, I vary between my HKs. (USP Compact in .357, P2000 in .357, or my newly bought USP Compact in .45)

WayaX
05-15-2010, 15:07
Thats what ToddG said on the HKPRO forums and I do understand the reasoning behind the same manual of arms. A G22 is my issued firearm with a NY1 trigger. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I find I dont have a hard time changing from a DOA to a DA/SA (used to own a Sig 220st DA/SA). I havent seen a HK with a an LEM in my local store. A G19 or 23 is on my must own list.

While I'm all about supporting local business, Guns seem to be best bought online. There are plenty of LEM HK's on gunsamerica, gunbroker, budsgunshop, hkpro.com etc. Or, you can buy one and do the conversion yourself. The kit costs between 75-100 dollars depending on the model and where you buy it from. You can install it in about 45 minutes if you're new at it. I can change out the trigger system in about 15 now that I've done it several times.

Troy106
05-22-2010, 03:31
I think the P30 has the best grip for any HK

bac1023
05-22-2010, 23:34
I think the P30 has the best grip for any HK

:agree:

Retseh
05-23-2010, 00:07
I have shot all 3 and am the very happy owner of a new P30S in .40S&W

The trigger is silk smooth, the grip is amazing and fits my hand perfectly, and best of all the recoil on the 40 is less than some of my 9mms, it really is that easy to shoot and keep on target.

Best handgun I own, period.

Larry V
05-23-2010, 17:18
I have a Glock 23RTF2 and a HK p30 40. The HK is an amazing gun!! The Glock is great for summer carry but the P30 is the most perfect grip of any gun i own. It shoots as well a my Sig P229 if not better.

GunFighter45ACP
05-25-2010, 14:51
But which is more comfortable to carry? The HK ergonomics seem to get better w/each newer HK model, yet according to HK's website, the USPC seems to be the lighter, shorter, & thinner choice in their stable.

H&K 4 LIFE
05-26-2010, 09:29
But which is more comfortable to carry?...

For me, the most comfortable to carry would be the Glock. :supergrin: