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BRabbit
05-14-2010, 15:24
I have a mid-90s CQC-7 collaboration between Mr. Emerson and Benchmade (It's a good knife, no problems, and I'm very impressed with it.), however I was thinking of picking up a newer model after so many years.

I like the knife quite a bit and the specs (IIRC from the mid-90s when I bought it) are ATS-34 or 154CM steel, tanto style non-combo blade, chisel ground on one side, 50,000lbs tensile tested blade strength, zytel (or G-10?) handles/grips, hex-screws with allen wrench needed on blade and clip to adjust either one, and a titanium liner lock).

As I said, I am thinking of purchasing a newer Emerson version of the knife (EMERSON CQC-7 TANTO 3.3" B-T COMBO) and know that some changes have been done to the knife and that Mr. Emerson produces it himself with "a wave" feature now versus the model I have which was a collaboration with Benchmade in the 1990s.

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with the old model versus the newer one and more specifically:
(1) What specific changes have been made to the new knife from the one I now own in addition to "the wave" feature?
(2) What were the reasons for these changes, i.e.: What improvements were gained by the changes or were they primarily proprietary changes to possibly remove it as a Benchmade product and establish it as Mr. Emerson's unique design so it could be sold by his company?...and/or is the knife essentially the same as the mid-1990s model which also goes by the CQC-7 name, and one that I like so well?

Thanks - and any info you have will be appreciated.

BTW: I have already submitted this question in the "GATE Knives and Knife Fighting" forum and am waiting to see if Mr. Emerson approves it and has any input for me, but I also wanted to ask here to see if any "end-users" have experience with both versions.

DBZ220
05-16-2010, 14:48
The CQC-7 is basically a production version of his handmade only CQC-6. Demand for the 6 was high, so Ernie did the collab with Benchmade to provide a production and cost effective piece, hence the CQC-7 in the BM970 and BM975SBT configurations. This was back in the days before Ernie had his own production knife company. He parted ways with Benchmade and started his own production company to offer his own lineup of knives.
Materials are very similar, 154CM steel, Ti liners, G-10 scales. The Wave is a big difference, as is the tip-up carry on EKI knives compared to the older Benchmade being tip-down only.
I have several of each one, and the newest production EKI CQC7 has a little thicker liner lock than the previous generations, and the BM97xxx series. Other minor differences are the screws, going from torx on the BM to philips and straight on the EKI model. I you love the Benchmade one, you'll likely be very happy with the EKI model too. Only downside, some EKI models tend to have a bit rougher opening action than the BM's did. This goes away after a couple weeks of opening/closing though. Not a big deal in my opinion.

BRabbit
05-16-2010, 15:01
Thanks DBZ220 - That's the kind of info I was looking for...so in a nutshell, it's basically the same knife with improvements.

I'll definitely think hard about picking one up. I am currently working on getting a 2nd original BM AFCK so I can give one to each of my sons one day, providing I don't lose or break one, and I have a EMERSON CQC-7 TANTO 3.3" B-T COMBO on an email notification list with a distibutor where I found it for a very good price when they get back in stock.

ETA: Can you help better explain "the wave" feature to me? If I understand correctly, it helps deploy the blade when the knife is drawn from the pocket? I've never used it and ask - is this truly helpful?

irontexan27
05-17-2010, 08:45
the wave feature catches your pocket when you draw it out causing the blade to open when you pull it out of your pocket. Its kind of addictive. Its kind of hard to explain but for an example you can check you tube and find some demos.

As far as the current cqc-7 vs the benchmade 970s, dbz220 pretty much summed it up. The big things that put the Emerson ahead in my book are the thicker liner lock bar, the wave, and the Emerson warranty.

definatly worth looking into, but then again if you already have a good working 970, I would take a good look at the rest of the Emerson lineup. The in hand Ergonomics have come along way IMO.

BRabbit
05-17-2010, 11:20
Thanks - I'll look on youtube for some demos...the reason for another similar style knife is - 2 boys & a desire to be roughly equal in what I give them. For instance - I picked up a 2nd AFCK on ebay last night, to leave one to each of them.

irontexan27
05-17-2010, 17:40
That makes sense, and congrats on picking up a 2nd AFCK, they are great knives.

BRabbit
05-17-2010, 19:50
Thanks - I notice Benchmade is making them again in a limited run I believe, at a higher than original price, so I don't mind buying a slightly used one to accompany the one I already have.

DBZ220
05-18-2010, 11:48
Check out the 806-901 limited AFCK run. M4 blade steel is good stuff! They made 250 plain edge and 250 part serrated ones. Can be pricey NIB, but a used one shouldn't be too bad. They have the original round hole instead of the interim oval style version.
Back to the 970 series, if you like a little larger one, check out the old BM975 model, it's one of my favorites, and to me, has a better feel than the EKI Super CQC-7.

sns3guppy
05-22-2010, 16:15
Mr. Emerson has recently addressed this very question in the GATE forums on this site...the differences between the Benchmade CQC-7 and the current edition.

BRabbit
05-23-2010, 19:41
Mr. Emerson has recently addressed this very question in the GATE forums on this site...the differences between the Benchmade CQC-7 and the current edition.


I saw his answer to my question the other day. It sounded like nice improvements to an already good knife. - Thanks.

Snowman92D
05-28-2010, 15:56
At the risk of sounding ignorant about the knife culture, do the older Benchmade versions of the Emerson CQC have any collector value, or is it just as well to use them as a dedicated defender blade for EDC?

DBZ220
05-28-2010, 16:06
They tend to run $150ish for the 970SBT a little more for the 975SBT. Plain edge versions go a little higher at times. The auto version is usually $250ish these days. I say use them, they likely won't top out any higher.

BRabbit
05-28-2010, 16:51
I used mine for years until I found a different knife that I preferred. It is a tool to me, and I use it as such.

PostalGlock'n
06-03-2010, 19:07
Materials are very similar, 154CM steel, Ti liners, G-10 scales.

EKI uses 154CM, the Benchmade models used ATS-34. EKI has dual detents that makes for a firmer opening action (won't fling open by inersha).

BRabbit
06-04-2010, 08:01
EKI uses 154CM, the Benchmade models used ATS-34. EKI has dual detents that makes for a firmer opening action (won't fling open by inersha).

Thanks for the info. I am going to get an Emerson model eventually, but I just used my .mil/LE discount and ordered a 710SBKD2 with the Axis lock from Benchmade, so I'll wait a little bit.

From Benchmade.com: http://www.benchmade.com/products/710

710SBKD2
AXIS® locking mechanism
Modified clip-point blade with ambidextrous dual thumb-stud opener
D2 tool steel blade (60-62HRC)
Black G10 handle scales with 410 stainless steel liners and a reversible steel carry-clip

Blade Length: 3.90"
Blade Thickness: 0.115"
Handle Thickness: 0.480"
Blade Material: D2 Tool Steel
Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
Blade Style: Modified Clip-Point; Ambidextrous Dual Thumb Studs
Weight: 4.50oz

BRabbit
06-04-2010, 08:02
dbl tap

PostalGlock'n
06-04-2010, 16:34
I just used my .mil/LE discount and ordered a 710SBKD2 with the Axis lock from Benchmade, so I'll wait a little bit.

You wont be disappointed with the 710, it is one of my all time favorite Benchmades. I have 2 in ATS-34, 1 - 154CM (Kreined), and 1 D2.

Just my opinion, but if your looking at the Emerson line please look into the CQC-10. The handle is out of this world in your hand and the blade is a much more usable design.

BRabbit
06-05-2010, 08:42
I'll do that before I buy - thanks.

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ETA: I just picked up the straight edge version (the 710D2 McHenry & Williams Axis Lock) on ebay for a cheaper price for the knife and shipping than what was offered by BM with the .mil/LEO discount, so I would have a second one. This one I'll probably use during deer season as a woods knife and to skin deer instead of my Buck 110.

DBZ220
06-05-2010, 13:33
Sorry for the oversight. 154CM and ATS34 are nearly identical in performance, 154CM being basically the U.S. made version of ATS34 which is produced by Hitachi in Japan. Should have mentioned that. I've noted no noticeable difference in use.
As for the double detents, I have EKI pieces with single detents, and some with double. My early CQC7's don't while my 09/10 vintage does. Same with my other EKI's, etc.


EKI uses 154CM, the Benchmade models used ATS-34. EKI has dual detents that makes for a firmer opening action (won't fling open by inersha).

markglockman
06-12-2010, 11:19
I love mine with stonewashed plain edge shown here with my 17.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0d831b3127ccefa0189f1af5b00000030O08QctGbJs3bA9vPhY/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

BRabbit
06-12-2010, 17:50
That's a good looking knife Mark.

BRabbit
06-29-2010, 16:13
I managed to pick up the only one in stock at knifecenter.com today for $126.95 - thanks for the info. As soon as I made my purchase they went back to back-order status.


EM7BSFSW Emerson CQC7 Wave Tanto Blade Satin/Stone Washed Finished Combo 3.4"" Blade $126.95


I think the next one may be the "Super CQC-7 model" with the larger blade running $168.95.

jgreg65
05-29-2013, 14:42
Hey Guys I have a question on the handles, are they all the rough "flat file" like texture? Kinda like a file that you would use to deburr something? I'm looking for more smooth style handle as I wear dress & dress casual pants mainly. They look really sweet I've been looking for a replacement blade. Thanks in advance

BRabbit
05-29-2013, 15:23
Hey Guys I have a question on the handles, are they all the rough "flat file" like texture? Kinda like a file that you would use to deburr something? I'm looking for more smooth style handle as I wear dress & dress casual pants mainly. They look really sweet I've been looking for a replacement blade. Thanks in advance

The texture of the handles seems to be very similar on the BM 970 and the EKI CQC-7s...they are a rough texture, but not so much as to ruin quality pants IMO.

BRabbit
05-29-2013, 15:27
You wont be disappointed with the 710, it is one of my all time favorite Benchmades. I have 2 in ATS-34, 1 - 154CM (Kreined), and 1 D2.

Just my opinion, but if your looking at the Emerson line please look into the CQC-10. The handle is out of this world in your hand and the blade is a much more usable design.

I have several 710s now and gave one in D2 to each of my sons for Christmas. I also have picked up some more EKI products, such as a couple more CQC-7s, Commander, CQC-8, and CQC-11 models.

BRabbit
05-29-2013, 15:30
Check out the 806-901 limited AFCK run. M4 blade steel is good stuff! They made 250 plain edge and 250 part serrated ones...

I have since picked up three 806-901 SBK models. They are indeed very nice sturdy knives and M4 makes them even better.

Batesmotel
05-29-2013, 15:59
Buy from Emerson. After dealing with benchmade on a problem I will never buy from them again. Disgusting customer service.

My Emerson CQC-7 was a serrated edge. It is now a straight edge from all the years of use, abuse and resharpening. Great knife.

BRabbit
05-29-2013, 16:04
Sorry to hear that - I have never had anything but great customer service from Benchmade on old and newer knives.

Batesmotel
05-29-2013, 16:13
Sorry to hear that - I have never had anything but great customer service from Benchmade on old and newer knives.

There was a design flaw with one of their knives in the early 90s. They did nothing to fix the problem. I let a friend who is a master machinist and part time knife make look at it. He found a great and simple solution to the problem. Everyone who handled the knife loved his fix. I thought I would be nice and contacted Benchmade with the solution he found.

Benchmade demanded the knife be surrendered to them immediately along with the data on the modification or risk prosecution for patent violations.

Lost the knife in Mexico, replaced it with a real Emerson.

bdcochran
05-30-2013, 13:09
In the 1990s, the CQC6, the Benchmade model and/or Emerson's own production CQC7 were the knives that were state of the art. Yes, I have them - and purchased them at dealer pricing.

In response to the question, I looked on Ernie's website. Thanks a lot guys! I had not bought his CQC7 tanto points with the wave feature because I don't like a tanto blade on a folder. There it appeared! A stone washed, plain blade CQC7 with the wave feature. Ohhhhhhhh. It is going to hurt to spend $200 when the original knives cost me $60 a piece!!:faint:

kirgi08
05-30-2013, 13:40
I've got a 99 cqc-7 at $79 in 1999,it's in my pocket right now.I've used the heck out this knife and no failures.'08.

Victoriagotagun
05-31-2013, 08:27
There was a design flaw with one of their knives in the early 90s. They did nothing to fix the problem. I let a friend who is a master machinist and part time knife make look at it. He found a great and simple solution to the problem. Everyone who handled the knife loved his fix. I thought I would be nice and contacted Benchmade with the solution he found.

Benchmade demanded the knife be surrendered to them immediately along with the data on the modification or risk prosecution for patent violations.

Lost the knife in Mexico, replaced it with a real Emerson.

What design flaw and what was the solution? :dunno: