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HOV
05-17-2010, 09:53
10mm brothers, I have come to the conclusion that the 10mm cartridge has made my .45ACP obselete.

Never again can I see myself choosing a carry gun chambered for a slower round with less magazine capacity than the 10mm.

Here's the rub: I have a rule against selling guns because I have regretted previous sales in the past. But if I sell my XD45 (right now I am not crazy about either XD's or .45ACP's) and all my .45ACP ammo, I could get a G29 and have two nice 10mm pistols, maybe get another 1000 pieces of 10mm brass.

Opinions? Sell the XD45 + ammo and get a G29? Or just keep the XD45 and be diverse?

freakshow10mm
05-17-2010, 10:30
Why keep stuff you don't like?

hill billy
05-17-2010, 10:45
I'm with Adam. I am on the verge of selling my Glock 36 for the same reason. I like it, I just don't shoot it much and don't see myself carrying it much anymore. I shoot my 30sf a lot so it gets to stay but I don't see myself carrying it over my G29

Aloxite
05-17-2010, 11:01
Sell it and get the G29. It's not like it is Grandpas 1911 from the war or something.

Starlines site says the 10mm brass should be done in mid June. I've got 1000 more coming.

oldgraygeek
05-17-2010, 16:57
I gave up .45 ACP for 10mm years ago. I'm glad I did.

bac1023
05-17-2010, 20:25
I'd never give up 45ACP for anything.

leadslinger13
05-18-2010, 06:18
this is such an individual choice. I knew it the minute i started shooting the 20 that there would be no turning back. I sold all mine. I like the idea that the 20 can load from 40 to nuke 10mm. i probalby won't push the upper limits to hard...fast but within my comfort zone. There was no reason to have a 45 in my mind. Still its a difficult choice. Start shooting and loading some 200 grn. which would more than compensate for you 45 acp need and then see what you think.

besides....rules are made to be broken

G33
05-18-2010, 06:26
I'd never give up 45ACP for anything.

Keep one .45 for historical...
:supergrin::supergrin:

dreis454
05-18-2010, 06:28
I'd never give up 45ACP for anything.

this^:whistling:

HOV
05-18-2010, 08:50
What's the reason you guys have for not giving .45ACP up for anything?

zeke66
05-18-2010, 12:38
I've got 10MM and 9MM covered. Don't need any "in-between" semi-auto calibers. That's just me though.

Bullman
05-18-2010, 13:31
I have been thinking the same thing lately, just getting a G29 for most of the time carry and unloading my smaller .45s that I carry. The G29 is a bit thick to carry IWB sometimes it feels like but I guess I will manage.

MAGICMANIA
05-18-2010, 14:48
I am in the same boat, but in different calibers. The G17 I own is to small for my hands,, I have large hands and the G21 fits perfect. My buddies tell me keep it you will regret selling it later but I am not sure. Good luck on the decision.

agtman
05-18-2010, 15:17
The 10mm AUTO is my primary, do-everything (handgun) cartridge, and it's what I "upgraded" to from the .45acp.

That said, I still regard the BigSlow as a venerable old warhorse. If the 10mm vanished tomorrow, I'd go back to the .45 without thinking twice about it.

So, ... I'd say keep the .45 - and whatever envelopes you have for it.

In terms of serious "stopping power," the .45 represents the Old School (Heavy & Slow), whereas the 10mm AUTO represents the New School (relatively Heavy & Fast). In an unintended but neat way, they compliment each other.

Plus, the .45 is easy to reload for and you can still find some pretty cool "platforms" for it:

Police "trade-in" S&W 4566:
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/SW-1.jpg

U.S. Army Colt 1911, a WWI battlefield specimen (all correct).
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/Colt-T1.jpg

:cool:

MinervaDoe
05-18-2010, 21:08
Well put agtman. I am thoroughly enjoying the versatility and accuracy of my Glock 20. I am really looking forward to coming up with a number of different loads for it. That said. There is no way that I am getting rid of my .45s. If for no other reason than availability of ammuniton, I will always have 45s, 9mms and .357 Magnums.

Besides, I always feel like you lose money when you sell off a gun.

Bullman
05-18-2010, 21:14
I don't so much want to get rid of my .45s as change formats. I have 3 currently and they are all traditional DA/SA pistols. I have become accustomed to the same all the time trigger on a Glock, and I would like to get things similar across the board, while not going entirely plastic. I have been thinking of converting the fleet to DAO, or selling off the fleet and getting into the 1911 game. Hard to know what to do.

bac1023
05-18-2010, 21:16
What's the reason you guys have for not giving .45ACP up for anything?

I love all the awesome firearms chambered for it and I like the way the caliber shoots.

The 10mm is a great round, but it will never achieve even 10% of the 45ACP's popularity, probably a lot less.













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TKM
05-18-2010, 21:25
http://www.realguns.com/archives/106.htm

This'll perk up a .45acp.

I've turbocharged a Kimber and a Smith 625.:supergrin:

_The_Shadow
05-18-2010, 21:36
45's this and 45's that...every damn gun magazine has an article about the 45's, quite frankly I am tired of 45's, tired of hear, tired of reading, tired of looking at 45's period. I have recently started even handloading for 45's for the heck of it.

I have two muzzle loading 45 rifles and I shoot 10mm bullets from the 45 sabots.

10mm is digital...ones and zeros
For me, mine will be 10mm...heavy and fast, to bust some *****!

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agtman
05-19-2010, 04:36
Well put agtman.
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Besides, I always feel like you lose money when you sell off a gun.

That's what I've seen too, except in the case of a rare collector item. But with most firearms, yeah, you'll lose $$$ on the deal 99.9% of the time.

HOV
05-19-2010, 06:58
45's this and 45's that...every damn gun magazine has an article about the 45's, quite frankly I am tired of 45's, tired of hear, tired of reading, tired of looking at 45's period. I have recently started even handloading for 45's for the heck of it.

I have two muzzle loading 45 rifles and I shoot 10mm bullets from the 45 sabots.

10mm is digital...ones and zeros
For me, mine will be 10mm...heavy and fast, to bust some *****!

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YEAH!

:supergrin:







But anyway I've decided to keep the .45ACP launcher and ammo. nothing says I have to use them, and I always regret selling a gun.

Plus, the moment I put night sights on that gun was the moment I went upside down on it. It's a money losing proposition from this point forward, so I may as well stay with the material resource.

Kegs
05-19-2010, 07:15
Why keep stuff you don't like?

Hey - I thought you were done on this forum? :rofl: Nice Jean
Claude VanDamme pic. :supergrin:

You do realize you forgot about my order of 10mm hardball right? :shocked:

Kegs
05-19-2010, 07:21
I have no reason to own a whole slew of guns. The G29 (+ .22LR kit) is all I am interested in for the time being. About the only other gun I would want in the future is an Alexander arms target AR in 6.5 grendel, and a 5.56 + 22LR uppers + mags and maybe 3 super grade optics for that gun. That's going to cost some big $$ though - so like most I must wait.

Do what you want, but I see no point in having more guns around to keep track of. .45ACP = obsolete.

Trader_bob01
05-19-2010, 08:54
I have been in love with 10mm ever since I bought my Dan Wesson PMA 10. I bought a Glock 20 so I wouldn't have to change magazines as often, and I dream of a gas piston side charger carbine in 10mm. But I still have all my weapons chambered in .45 For me the reasoning is simple. For all the love I have for the 10mm, .45 is more economical. While it is difficult to buy .45 at our Wal-mart, it is impossible to buy 10mm. In fact if I can find any 10mm ammo in town, it is pricey. I have been gathering all the components for reloading so 10mm will be cheaper and more accessible at home but if traveling to another town or state, I think .45 will be more available and at cheaper prices there too.

There is another reason as well. Tommy Guns don't come in 10mm

MinervaDoe
05-19-2010, 09:14
I don't so much want to get rid of my .45s as change formats. I have 3 currently and they are all traditional DA/SA pistols. I have become accustomed to the same all the time trigger on a Glock, and I would like to get things similar across the board, while not going entirely plastic. I have been thinking of converting the fleet to DAO, or selling off the fleet and getting into the 1911 game. Hard to know what to do.
Tough decision. I have a couple of guns with those superb 1911 triggers laying around. But, the last time there were a cop cars and dog teams roaming up and down my street, I noticed I slid a loaded magazine into my Glock 21 before I went back to sleep.

_The_Shadow
05-19-2010, 10:19
Trader_Bob said, There is another reason as well. Tommy Guns don't come in 10mm

Auto Ordinance did produce some Tommy's chamber in 10mm a while back! I missed getting one those...

gator378
05-19-2010, 17:45
10mm brothers, I have come to the conclusion that the 10mm cartridge has made my .45ACP obselete.

Never again can I see myself choosing a carry gun chambered for a slower round with less magazine capacity than the 10mm.

Here's the rub: I have a rule against selling guns because I have regretted previous sales in the past. But if I sell my XD45 (right now I am not crazy about either XD's or .45ACP's) and all my .45ACP ammo, I could get a G29 and have two nice 10mm pistols, maybe get another 1000 pieces of 10mm brass.

Opinions? Sell the XD45 + ammo and get a G29? Or just keep the XD45 and be diverse?


Remember 45 ACP ammo is almost always available to buy. 10mm is almost a handloaders deal. I have the 10mm, 45 ACP, and 44Mag. Of course the 10 always goes to the range.

gator378
05-19-2010, 17:51
Why keep stuff you don't like?

A little off topice but almost retired the 45, but bought a 308 FAL. Down to three handguns and 3 rifles. Always something to take to the range. All are working guns, they don't get to stay clean for too long

cowboywannabe
05-20-2010, 00:53
ive thought about that too, but my RIA .45acp is such a good old fashioned gun that i bought new at a very good price.....i just cant seem to dump it. now if i had a low end 1911 10mm i would.

Trader_bob01
05-20-2010, 21:19
Trader_Bob said,

Auto Ordinance did produce some Tommy's chamber in 10mm a while back! I missed getting one those...

NNnnnooooooooo!! I never knew that! Boy that would change my whole premise!

Actually, probably not. I don't see a real advantage of a blow-back 10mm system. I do know that someone makes a gas carbine chambered in 10mm. That, I would need. You could get full performance from 10mm in a gas carbine. I have contemplated selling my first born and my AR chambered in .45 in order to get one too; which is another thing, .45 is very versatile.

http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae246/trader_bob01/023.jpg
Bob's AR45

Bullman
05-20-2010, 23:41
I thought that the FBI had some real Tommy guns chambered in 10mm before they got the whole MP5/10 thing going on. I don't know who made them for them but I would figure it was Auto Ordinance.

freakshow10mm
05-21-2010, 00:28
You do realize you forgot about my order of 10mm hardball right? :shocked:
I didn't forget about the 10mm backorders. There's still 3 that haven't canceled their order (594, 636, 661). I've got 1,100 rds of 10mm FMJ on back order still. If Starline would ever ship my ****ing brass I paid for back in September 2009, I could fill backorders and have ammo in stock.:steamed:

Looks like I won't be using Starline anymore after they fill my order, if they ever do. I'm working with Top Brass to check them out for 10mm brass. They seem to have their supply in order more than Starline. Starline has been good to me the last 3 years but they just don't have their ducks in a row any more. Shame.

Currently I'm trying to source fired brass if I can and alert the customers to the change if it happens and if it's acceptable to use once fired brass rather than new. Trust me. I'm just as pissed at my lack of ability to fill orders as you are not getting yours. I've been waiting on 10mm brass since September 2009 and have backorders with Starline and about a half dozen distributors. Not a single order has shipped to me. All are prepaid.

Sorry it's taking so long. Currently I'm trying to clear out the inventory and then focus on just 10mm ammo only so I can focus my capital, buy in bigger lots, and have more ammo in stock. Trouble is brass supply. :steamed:

Whatever your order number is, I'm doubling it for free as a 'thanks' for sticking it out with the backorder. I'm doing this with all 10mm orders that haven't canceled yet. I have two for 500rds each and one for 100rds. Those orders, when filled will be the 500rds and 100rds for the original order, respectively, and they will receive the same quantity for free. The two that paid for 500rds are getting 1,000 each shipped, and the one that paid for 100rds is getting 200rds shipped.

Kegs
05-21-2010, 06:38
I didn't forget about the 10mm backorders. There's still 3 that haven't canceled their order (594, 636, 661). I've got 1,100 rds of 10mm FMJ on back order still. If Starline would ever ship my ****ing brass I paid for back in September 2009, I could fill backorders and have ammo in stock.:steamed:

Looks like I won't be using Starline anymore after they fill my order, if they ever do. I'm working with Top Brass to check them out for 10mm brass. They seem to have their supply in order more than Starline. Starline has been good to me the last 3 years but they just don't have their ducks in a row any more. Shame.

Currently I'm trying to source fired brass if I can and alert the customers to the change if it happens and if it's acceptable to use once fired brass rather than new. Trust me. I'm just as pissed at my lack of ability to fill orders as you are not getting yours. I've been waiting on 10mm brass since September 2009 and have backorders with Starline and about a half dozen distributors. Not a single order has shipped to me. All are prepaid.

Sorry it's taking so long. Currently I'm trying to clear out the inventory and then focus on just 10mm ammo only so I can focus my capital, buy in bigger lots, and have more ammo in stock. Trouble is brass supply. :steamed:

Whatever your order number is, I'm doubling it for free as a 'thanks' for sticking it out with the backorder. I'm doing this with all 10mm orders that haven't canceled yet. I have two for 500rds each and one for 100rds. Those orders, when filled will be the 500rds and 100rds for the original order, respectively, and they will receive the same quantity for free. The two that paid for 500rds are getting 1,000 each shipped, and the one that paid for 100rds is getting 200rds shipped.

Wow - man thanks for the post. I am the one that was downstate (MI) and was traveling over the winter - you told me to place the order and say I was paying for the ammo with a check - so I'm not out any cash and it's not a big deal.

Since then I have procured reloading equipment and 500 pcs. brass from Top brass, which I am satisfied with - but I don't have any hard testing equipment to see what the brass will take relative to other manufacturers. Since I talked to you, your website had changed too.

I have come to the conclusion that I need an aftermarket barrel to reload these rounds anyway, because of the bulging problem - but if you send me a notice that they are in - I'll gladly pay for them...I'll just keep them on hand until I finally get my barrel.

B.Reid
05-21-2010, 08:39
Nothing wrong with the .45 as long as it is a 1911.

agtman
05-21-2010, 18:34
Nothing wrong with the .45 as long as it is a 1911.

More functionally reliable than most out-of-the-box 1911s ...

... Glock 21?

... Glock 30?

... or, for sure, this model 4566 from S&W's 45XX-series:
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/SW-5.jpg

Nothing wrong with the .45acp, as long as the platform chosen is 100% reliable. Same idea, regardless of caliber.

:cool:

chemboy
05-22-2010, 19:05
I like both the 45 and 10mm, though I believe the 10mm has more potential, when you reload for it, at least.

azatrox
05-22-2010, 22:59
Sell the XD, get the G29.
If and when you miss the .45, get a nice 1911.

DRGNSLR
05-24-2010, 13:53
Keep one .45 for historical...
:supergrin::supergrin:

Yes!! When we're all using phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range, the 1911's will be like like antiques.

Grrrr
05-24-2010, 15:28
I sold an xd to pay for a 29....I don't regret it for a single second. I hold the 10mm way over the 45 when it comes to what I like but I will never rid myself of the 45. I like to shoot an assorment of calibers. In semi I keep 9, 40, 45 and 10. Plan on adding a 357 sig bbl for one of my glocks soon.

ArmoryDoc
05-27-2010, 00:18
More functionally reliable than most out-of-the-box 1911s ...

... Glock 21?

... Glock 30?

... or, for sure, this model 4566 from S&W's 45XX-series:
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/SW-5.jpg

Nothing wrong with the .45acp, as long as the platform chosen is 100% reliable. Same idea, regardless of caliber.

:cool:

That is one nice looking Smith ! Very similar to mine.

http://www.kscch.com/457S1.jpg
http://www.kscch.com/457S3.jpg

ArmoryDoc
05-27-2010, 00:23
However, if you're gonna go 10mm, go...

http://www.kscch.com/Colt_Delta.jpg

Dave T
05-27-2010, 13:27
Recognizing the greater versatility and higher potential performance of the 10mm I too thought about replacing my 45 ACPs with the newer cartridge/guns. Trouble is I have about 30 years of experience with the JM Browning's 45, in Colt's during my badge carrying days and a couple Kimbers and a Wilson since then. Add to that a couple 45 ACP revolvers and I just can't see getting rid of the 45s.

Dave

agtman
05-27-2010, 16:28
That is one nice looking Smith ! Very similar to mine.
http://www.kscch.com/457S1.jpg
http://www.kscch.com/457S3.jpg

That is a nice one! :cool:

The all-steel 3rd Generation S&W autos - including those models that were factory "upgraded" in recent years - are definitely among the most underrated pistols on the market (regardless of caliber).

DustyJacket
05-27-2010, 17:05
10mm brothers, I have come to the conclusion that the 10mm cartridge has made my .45ACP obselete.

.... I have a rule against selling guns...

Send it all to me. You won't be selling it, and I'll make sure it never appears, so as to offend you.






:supergrin:

DustyJacket
05-27-2010, 17:06
Yes!! When we're all using phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range, the 1911's will be like like antiques.
Aren't they already? :whistling:

preventec47
06-09-2010, 18:41
45-SUPER
According to what I read on the big 1911 forum sites,
If you have a pretty well built full size pistol, you can shoot
the 45 super ammo pretty easily ( just changing out the
recoil spring )
Now friends the 45 super aint no slouch and gets a lot of respect
from me. Whatever else anyones argument may be about
45ACP, it does in fact make a bigger hole going in and if
you boost the performance way up it begins to look a lot
better. Starline sells the specially reinforced and beefed
up 45ACP shell casings to handle the extra pressure
and in fact stamp the heads of the cases 45 Super.
If I am not mistaken I think it can push 200gr bullets
at the same 1200fps as our 10mm.