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wrx04
05-26-2010, 19:49
I just got a brand new 870 this year for Christmas, and when i took it out to go shooting today there was rust all over the receiver and outside of the barrel. What the heck did i do wrong?

The gun has only had about 200 rounds through it. Last time i used it was May 1st and it was [B][U]perfect[U][B] at that time. I got home, ran a bore snake and a couple patches through it and put a light coat of remoil on the receiver and barrel. The gun was placed in a field&stream carry case and stored under my bed until today. I take it out to go trap shooting and it looks like garbage:shocked:. What the heck? Is this fixable?

I tried posting pics on here but it says the file size is too big and i'm a total tard when it comes to computers, so these links will let you see what i'm talking about. Thanks in advance for the help.

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DrunkenParrot
05-26-2010, 19:55
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Well Remington has bad finishes on the 870, I have one rust just like that a few years ago. But look on the bright side, now u can get it refinished in duracoat, or what ever else you want.
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wrx04
05-26-2010, 20:09
Thanks for fixing that, parrot....appreciate it man. Didn't really expect it to rust that quick after hearing everyone say how rugged/reliable the 870 was.

Oh well, might have to send it to AIP to get parkerized....the 870 i bought from them is still looking brand new.

wrenrj1
05-26-2010, 20:15
Humidity is not your friend. I purchased a revolver on layaway that came back with surface rust. A good scrubbing with an oil rag took it off. I'd suggest a humidity controlled environment as opposed to a case, i.e. gun safe.

dc2integra
05-26-2010, 20:25
humidity is a shotguns worst enemy .spray some rem oil on the outside and inside should prevent it from rusting

wrx04
05-26-2010, 20:25
Humidity is not your friend. I purchased a revolver on layaway that came back with surface rust. A good scrubbing with an oil rag took it off. I'd suggest a humidity controlled environment as opposed to a case, i.e. gun safe.

Yeah, need to invest in a safe for sure. I did scrub it and it came off, but there was still some very fine pitting. If its parkerized it shouldn't rust....right?

dc2integra
05-26-2010, 20:25
also rem oil should take it off try some asap

GlocksterPaulie
05-26-2010, 20:30
Stop pissing on it.:supergrin: Wipe it down good and get a safe, don't leave them in a case or bag for too long.

Paulie:wavey:

jeager
05-26-2010, 20:49
Is that case airtight?
I'm guessing condensation.

wrx04
05-26-2010, 20:59
Stop pissing on it.:supergrin: Wipe it down good and get a safe, don't leave them in a case or bag for too long.

Paulie:wavey:

Haha. Alright, i won't piss on it anymore.:whistling:

aippi
05-26-2010, 21:00
The lining of your gun case is the culprit. I only use gun cases to transport, never store a weapon. The lining pulled the oil right from the metal and thus the rust. If you are going to store it in a case, put it in a treated gun sock first or find cases with the right type of lining. The guys on this site can help with that as I really know very little about gun case for storage.

You mentioned you have one of my AI&P Tactical's so that makes you a client. So if you want this one parked, you get a good rate.

wrx04
05-26-2010, 21:02
Is that case airtight?
I'm guessing condensation.

I think thats where i made the mistake....the case isn't airtight, its a soft fabric case. I bet moisture got trapped in there and just ate away at it. It won't be in that case anymore.

wrx04
05-26-2010, 21:13
The lining of your gun case is the culprit. I only use gun cases to transport, never store a weapon. The lining pulled the oil right from the metal and thus the rust. If you are going to store it in a case, put it in a treated gun sock first or find cases with the right type of lining. The guys on this site can help with that as I really know very little about gun case for storage.

You mentioned you have one of my AI&P Tactical's so that makes you a client. So if you want this one parked, you get a good rate.

That makes sense. The humidity here in Louisville hit 100% a few days already, so that probably doesn't help too much.

Yeah, i bought one of your basic I guns a few months ago. The thing is great and i'm very happy with it. Let me know the price and you can parkerize this one too. Probably gonna have you upgrade the internals and put on a recoil pad while you're at it. Let me know how/what i need to do to ship it and we'll get it set up.

Stupid question....but it won't rust once its parkerized, right?

Thanks again.

aippi
05-26-2010, 23:12
You have my e-mail or can get it from the web site.

No it will not rust. You still have to keep oil on the weapon as the parkerizing is just a pourous finish that holds the oil.

Megastar 10
05-27-2010, 06:59
One thing that I have found that will really do a nice job off cleaning off light rust is Blue Wonder Gun Cleaner. It is a clear gel and when used on a cotton rag and gentle rubbing I have used it to successfully remove light rust. I would apply it to the areas with rust and let it sit for a few minutes and then gently rub the rusted areas with a clean cotton rag. If you have areas like on the rib that a rag can't easily get into use a nylon brush (like a soft toothbrush) with gentle motion.

Blue Wonder also makes a gun blue that is supposed to blend in with factory bluing. I have some but have never used it. I have heard positive results from people that have though.

vafish
05-27-2010, 13:01
Next time store you gun in a silicone treated gun sock like one of these:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=884345

Most gun shops have them.

wrx04
05-27-2010, 13:05
Next time store you gun in a silicone treated gun sock like one of these:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=884345

Most gun shops have them.

I will check that out. Thanks.:wavey:

vafish
05-27-2010, 14:52
Walmart has them as well with the Winchester name on them.

Mofeen
05-27-2010, 20:22
I like the RemOil wipes. You can get them at Wal Mart or Meijer for $4 for about 12. I use 1 after every use, and I get a nice oil coated firearm with no mess and no rust.

That should be the commercial. Hah.

msoprano
05-27-2010, 20:48
I like the RemOil wipes. You can get them at Wal Mart or Meijer for $4 for about 12. I use 1 after every use, and I get a nice oil coated firearm with no mess and no rust.

That should be the commercial. Hah.


Those wipes are very handy. I keep some in my truck, range bag and house.

MrMurphy
05-27-2010, 21:08
That looks like an 870 Express. Their finish isn't nearly as tough as parkerizing (had it happen to me).

I got the light rust off, and wiped the gun down with a Tuf-Cloth from Sentry Solutions every time i fired it, and a silicone cloth any time I handled it.

Never had a problem after that. Used Tuf-Cloths on my M4, M9 and M240 as well for similar problems with humidity while deployed.

ScrappyDoo
05-27-2010, 23:09
I use the RemOil wipes a lot AND the Hoppes Oil wipes too, I like to be over cautious , but after reading this I sprayed my SPX down with RemOil spray. Jersey's hella humid brahs.

Then I read the part about the case sucking the oil right off the gun and sheeeeeit... I guess I need to get me a bunch of dem der socks. But at least I learned something and I would much rather spend money on some wipes, some oils /cleaners/ protectors/supplies/etc. and some gunsocks than have my pieces rustin.

JohnJak
05-30-2010, 04:28
Preventative maintenance is the answer.

bsg1
05-31-2010, 02:22
i use a goldenrod dehumidifier in my safe.

WiskyT
05-31-2010, 19:25
Parkerised guns WILL rust. Take a look at any old military arms that have been parked and have rust spots.

Guns in soft cases will rust quickly.

A light coat of any oil, put on with your finger or a fancy wipe, will pretty much eliminate any rusting.

FA5Si
05-31-2010, 20:03
Park rusts, but not like bluing does.

jhooten
06-01-2010, 20:50
The express is not parkerized. It is bead blasted and blued. It will rust.

Storing in the carry case has been addressed. Next never store guns under the bed. It is one of the most humid places in the house outside the kitchen and bath.

wrx04
06-01-2010, 23:33
Alright, so the gun has been sent to AI&P to get parkerized....hopefully this will help combat the problem. I'm not storing it in the case or under the bed anymore.

Next question is: how often should i oil the thing? Is there such thing as putting too much oil on a parkerized gun? I put a good amount of remoil on my other gun last night and only rubbed it in with my finger....tonight i looked at it and the thing looked bone dry. Did the parkerized finish absorb it all? Is this a good thing, or can you put too much oil on a park'd gun?

TxGun
06-03-2010, 13:38
The express is not parkerized. It is bead blasted and blued. It will rust.

[QUOTE]= WiskyT;] Parkerised guns WILL rust.[QUOTE]

Absolutely. Both are correct. Your Express is bead blast blued. And you must keep oil on a parkerized gun. It holds it better, but it must be there or it will rust.

drdirtnap
06-03-2010, 16:15
Alot of great info here. I have never been to Louisiana, but screwed up a blued 870 years ago in Wisconsin's humidity using a gun case for storage. I want to add that one can use the little dessicant bags also, for added protection whereever one stores their guns. Seriously think about a climate controlled safe.

aippi
06-03-2010, 18:45
Your 870 drank up the oil because I put a very heavy coat of parkerizing on it. I build guns for heavy duty and this is why they are popular with people that use their weapons like LEO's, hunting guides, fishermen in the AK and North west and others who are out there doing it all the time. A detective with an AI&P Tactical who lives in Florida keeps his in a case in his trunk and has for over a year. He oils it up every couple of months. He tells me the finish is as new as day one.

See the parkerizing is a very porous finish and that is why it works better then other finish. The pores drink up the oil and hold it and thus prevents rust. A blued weapon can be oiled and wiped down and most of the oil comes off when you wipe it so it is not as effective as parkering for rust prevention. Blued sure looks better but it just does not work as well. This is why the 870 Police is parkerized as it is built to be a heavy duty heavy use weapon. this is also why I use Zinc parkerizing as it is more porous then manganese

Yes, it will rust if left without oil for long periods of time but it is one of the best rust preventative finishes out there.

I just boke the 870 down that is topic of this posting to get it ready for parkerizing and yes, the damage on the matte finish was caused by the lining of the gun case. Cases are for transporting weapons and should not be used for storing them, however, a customer turned me on to those silicon socks a few years back and if the weapon was in one of them, then in a case, I think it would be protected. Also, the lining of the case is the issue not that it is in a case.

WiskyT
06-03-2010, 19:33
No question that parkerized is better than blued. If you do everything right, all the time, forever, blue won't rust. But who here among us is perfect? Park allows for the oops that we all do with guns that see actuall use. It also allows for less than perfect storage like the Det you mentioned who stores his SG under less than ideal conditions out of necessity.

A bad fingerprint or a gun left overnight after being in the field or even the range will mess up a blued gun, a parked gun will come out okay. A week on Iwo Jima will rust even a parked gun though if the shooter is busy doing other things like shooting it or digging fox holes.

I left a Marlin 39 over night in my trunk in a soft case and found it the next morning with very light rust. 25 years later I still have a reminder of my screw up when I take that gun out.

ScrappyDoo
06-05-2010, 14:55
Few more questions if I could?

I just got a $8.99 Field and Stream gun sock, on the back in said it was "100% knit" and also silicon-treated. Many on this thread spoke of "treated" gun socks, but what is it treated with, is it silicon? Have I bought the correct thing?

Also I've been doing some serious thinking about the whole gun lining thing..wouldn't there be point when the spongy material absorbs enough oil to stop stripping it off the guns? There has to be a saturation point for the oil in the material. And/or, why not just take a can of something like Hoppe's (which IMO is a much "wetter" , "oily" oil than RemOil, I do not claim this is better or worse, just a different trait factually, and I use both liberally, equally, and same satisfaction/etc, Different applications for both..) aerosol spray oil...and just spray down whole inside lining, hell just spray it everywhere, and it should saturate the lining and keep it in there and then seal the LINING off, seal it from stealing oil from the weapons, no?

and also one last thing, when putting my boomstick and or rifle in the sock, do I need to get it all the way in there and then seal it up? The picture/illustration on the box just has it up to the stock, and the rest of the bag just dangling off. Thaks!

aippi
06-05-2010, 15:54
Scrappy, to the best of my knowledge that is the right sock. I just pull them up to the stock as all my stocks are polymer or aluminum. My safe gets crowed and they even help protect against dings when you are pulling the weapon or another out of the safe. It is the silcon treatment that makes them effective. I even keep my handguns in them as they lay on shelve in the safe.

elLOCOmutha
06-06-2010, 15:10
Silica Gel, Gun Safe and oil I have no problems in my damp basement.

JASV.17
06-08-2010, 09:12
Confession...

I don't own a safe. One day.

I've stored rifles in gun cases for years (as has my dad, for even more than I) with zero issues.

The key is taking them out every-so-often and giving them a wipe down. Before I converted to CLP, I used regular Hoppes.

Yes, I know, I need a safe.

ScrappyDoo
06-08-2010, 16:31
Would you believe that I took out my Benelli Supernova blacktiakl boomstick that I store at my BOL Today , and there is a nice pinkytip sized circle of light rust randomly on the barrel. It wipes right off wtb a lil oil but sheesh, I am pratcially hosing them down with oil and still rust ! RUST AHHHHHJJJJJJ!!!!!!!!!

wrx04
06-10-2010, 18:12
Just got the rusty shotgun back from AIP yesterday. Its been parkerized and looks great. Thanks to everyone for the advice, i learned a lot from this thread:wavey: I'll make sure i take care of it a little better from now on.

J.D., you did a fine job. Thank you, sir.

Here are a couple pics of the new finish, and a few of my AIP HD gun. (If anyone knows what parrot did to get the pics to show up in the thread without the links, hook it up:supergrin:) Later.

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aippi
06-10-2010, 19:16
Just a note: The ring you see is from the rivet holding the ejector housing in. This happend about 50% of time. This only happens with the front rivet. Have no idea why it does on some weapons and not others. The Zap is not taking around the rivet so I believe it has something to do with the way it is pressed in at the factory.