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Glockin26
05-29-2010, 03:08
Ive been setting up my Lee Classic Turret since 11 pm yesterday and finally just got 1 bullet made. Im using 6.0 gr of WSF with 165 MTG's (Montana golds) with an overall case length of 1.25. This is my first time reloading ammunition ever, and I'm hoping to learn as well as contribute in the future.

Im going to be shooting a glock 27 .40 cal with these reloads and excited and tired at the same time.

First Whats OCL (i think thats overall case length)

What do i do with a bullet that is overall 1.08? (first mistake)

Whats the minimum and maximum overall lengths? ( second mistake 1.15)

Can you reuse tumbling walnut? When do you know to change it out?

Are you suppose to lube the casings before resizing?


I have a Lyman manual coming in the mail but was wondering if anyone could answer these questions. And if you have any other tips i sure would like to hear them.

Thanks

IndyGunFreak
05-29-2010, 03:32
Till the media stops working... It's going to vary by how much brass your putting in how much media, how gunked up the brass is, etc. In most cases, it's going to last you a pretty good while. You don't *technically* have to lube brass if you're using carbide dies, but it does make the process a bit smoother.

All the other info is in the reloading data of a manual. Where did you come up w/ the numbers you have? Did you just pull them out of the air?

I'd slow down till you got a manual and had a chance to read it.

IGF

ICHI
05-29-2010, 03:49
get a reloading manual. I'm using Speer "Reloading Manual #14"
And get a bullet puller. i'm using RCBS Pow'r Pull Impact Bullet Puller
Sounds like you have everything else

srd
05-29-2010, 06:51
I would also pick up the ABC's of reloading while you are at it.

glockerbob
05-29-2010, 07:04
you dont have to lube cases if you have carbide dies if not then yes.

Homechicken
05-29-2010, 07:18
First off, STOP until you get and read a manual or two. My Speer #13 says maximum OCL (overall cartridge length) for .40 cal. is 1.135 inches, not 1.25. 1.25" is OCL for 10mm.

DWARREN123
05-29-2010, 08:02
Hodgdon's load data web site shows 1.125" Over All Length (OAL) for loads using bullets from 135gr to 200gr.
I like 1.125 and it fits my chambers and mags when I use 165gr to 180gr bullets.
Use the chamber and mags as gauges.
The cleaning media can be used until it does not work any more.
Get a bullet puller!
I use carbide insert dies for 40 S&W and do not lube the brass/cases. I use Lee brand dies and use the 3 die set.
Always and I mean always, when reloading and especially the 40 S&W cartridge, double or triple check each step and discard any loaded rounds you have doubts about.
The 40 S&W cartridge is not a round to make mistakes with.
Use 1 or 2 or even 3 manuals to check your load data and do not start out hot, stay in the medium range until you have a lot of exprience with the 40.
Use common sense and caution anytime you reload.

HAVE FUN BUT BE SAFE!

IndyGunFreak
05-29-2010, 08:40
the 40 s&w cartridge is not a round to make mistakes with.


qft...

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 09:26
The data i got was from Hodgdon's website. There minimum was 6.3 grains and max was 6.7, I am at 6 grains. I have a Lyman 49th manual coming in the mail. Thanks for all the answers!

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 09:28
First off, STOP until you get and read a manual or two. My Speer #13 says maximum OCL (overall cartridge length) for .40 cal. is 1.135 inches, not 1.25. 1.25" is OCL for 10mm.

Oops i ment 1.125

shotgunred
05-29-2010, 09:42
I use 1.122 OAL. the book max is 1.125 OAL.
My powder is dependent on what I am doing with that round. Are you making powder puff loads, IDPA loads, ISPC major loads, Self defense loads or wwb equivalents.

What do i do with a bullet that is overall 1.08? (first mistake)

Pull it with a kinetic bullet puller.

second mistake 1.15
Adjust you seating die and reseat it.
When you are adjusting your dies you should make dummy rounds without powder or primers.

Can you reuse tumbling walnut? When do you know to change it out?
Yep sure can. When it gets dirty.

Are you suppose to lube the casings before resizing?
It is not necessary on pistols if you are using carbide dies.

Im using 6.0 gr of WSF with 165 MTG's

that sounds ok for a starting point.

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 09:54
I use 1.122 OAL. the book max is 1.125 OAL.
My powder is dependent on what I am doing with that round. Are you making powder puff loads, IDPA loads, ISPC major loads, Self defense loads or wwb equivalents.



Right now i'm just making wwb's to shoot. Ill adjust the dies down a hair (literally). Im going to get a bullet puller as well.

Wash-ar15
05-29-2010, 09:57
The data i got was from Hodgdon's website. There minimum was 6.3 grains and max was 6.7, I am at 6 grains. I have a Lyman 49th manual coming in the mail. Thanks for all the answers!

Before you make a whole bunch at below min,make sure they will cycle in your gun.

Or you might be pulling a lot of bullets.

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 10:01
Before you make a whole bunch at below min,make sure they will cycle in your gun.

Or you might be pulling a lot of bullets.

Should i start at the minimum load of 6.3?

Wash-ar15
05-29-2010, 10:07
Should i start at the minimum load of 6.3?

lot depends on the gun and ammo. make 10 of anything you want to as test ammo. then some of the min load and some midrange if possible. then head out to the range to try them.

some loads that will cycle in my MP,won't cycle in my Glock.

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 10:16
lot depends on the gun and ammo. make 10 of anything you want to as test ammo. then some of the min load and some midrange if possible. then head out to the range to try them.

some loads that will cycle in my MP,won't cycle in my Glock.

Good idea, Thanks.

Wash-ar15
05-29-2010, 10:21
and test them for accuracy also. some loads are more accurate than others. Once you find that sweet spot/load,make more to your hearts desire.

unsigned
05-29-2010, 12:10
I use 5.4gr of WSF under a Rainier 165gr truncated cone loaded to 1.125. Its soft shooting and very accurate. Cycles in everything from my G27, SW99, USP to my converted G20.

I've had issues with set back reusing lead or plated bullets after pulling them. I no longer trust them, if I pull it, I don't reuse the bullet. ;)

Glockin26
05-29-2010, 12:26
The load data that the lee reloading dies came with stated that start load with a 170gr with WSF is 5.5gr and max load is 6.5gr. Where Hodgdons says 6.3 min and 6.7 max. What should i follow?

robin303
05-29-2010, 12:51
The Lee data seems to be hot compared to all the other data out there. This is my bullet puller and it works great. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=851547 You might want to get this too. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=414298

unsigned
05-29-2010, 15:05
The load data that the lee reloading dies came with stated that start load with a 170gr with WSF is 5.5gr and max load is 6.5gr. Where Hodgdons says 6.3 min and 6.7 max. What should i follow?

When I did my initial load workup I thought I had 5.2 as the min. I didn't keep those notes though.

This is where reloading technique is handy. You load a few at comfortable starting load and test them for function and accuracy. You inspect the spent brass for bulges and primer issues and you gauge the way they feel. If you have a chrono, you see how fast they are going.

Then, if you want more, you load a bit higher. Increase a .1 or .2 depending on what you see. Rinse, repeat.

Other than best practices, IMO, 6.7 sounds hot. My Lyman manual has 6.9 as the starting load for a 10MM under a 165FMJ and 6.2 as a starting load for 10MM under a 175 leadTC. Obviously they are starting loads, but pressure is already high. I compare 10MM to .40 here because the bullets are the same, the cases just longer and thicker.