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Case de Callier
05-29-2010, 18:40
I am confused...

I have read that it is not recommended to shoot reloads using a GLOCK.

I have also read threads, or postings from individuals that lead me to believe they are indeed reloading and shooting them from their GLOCKs.:dunno:

Is there more risk reloading and shooting a certain caliber vs. another through the GLOCK?

What would you do? What do you do?

DustyJacket
05-29-2010, 18:42
The book says don't, but that is just a CYA thing because they cannot regulate what some guy stuffs in a cartridge.

The big controversy is shooting lead bullets (not jacketed) through a factory Glock barrel.

Case de Callier
05-29-2010, 18:53
The book says don't, but that is just a CYA thing because they cannot regulate what some guy stuffs in a cartridge.

The big controversy is shooting lead bullets (not jacketed) through a factory Glock barrel.


So, go by the book and do not use lead bullets and I should be safe?

DWARREN123
05-29-2010, 19:18
Well yes and no. Bad ammo will give problems and good ammo will work great.
Lead is not bad for my Glocks, if fact they seem to like it.
I reload and shoot lead, plated and jacketed bullets thru my Glocks (G22/G23) and have not had a problem with my reloads but have with factory ammo.
My G22 Gen4 has had only reloads shot thru it and not one problem after 1,350 rounds and 350 of those being lead.

Case de Callier
05-29-2010, 20:42
Well yes and no. Bad ammo will give problems and good ammo will work great.
Lead is not bad for my Glocks, if fact they seem to like it.
I reload and shoot lead, plated and jacketed bullets thru my Glocks (G22/G23) and have not had a problem with my reloads but have with factory ammo.
My G22 Gen4 has had only reloads shot thru it and not one problem after 1,350 rounds and 350 of those being lead.

Thank you for sharing your experiences.:wavey:

_The_Shadow
05-29-2010, 22:38
I only shoot Handloads Period! (only recently I bought some 9x25Dillon from DT wanted the brass) Jacket and my own cast alloy from any and all of mine. Nothing like rolling your own...got to love it! 30+ years and it hasn't saved me money but I do get to shoot more!

The10mmKid
05-29-2010, 23:38
Reloads, I do.

Keep in mind that GLOCKS have generous factory chambers. When you are working your loads up to the data max, you will see some case stress . . . maybe even the famous GLOCK smile.

Lead boolits, I do.

Still working on the proper load. I'm casting my own and haven't quite nailed THE trouble-free round yet.

'da Kid

Case de Callier
05-30-2010, 03:55
Reloads, I do.

Keep in mind that GLOCKS have generous factory chambers. When you are working your loads up to the data max, you will see some case stress . . . maybe even the famous GLOCK smile.

Lead boolits, I do.

Still working on the proper load. I'm casting my own and haven't quite nailed THE trouble-free round yet.

'da Kid


If I do not push the limits or get too close to the data max, how long will a casing last?

GLOCK smile? Do tell.

_The_Shadow
05-30-2010, 08:59
Depending on the manufacture of the brass casings you could see 10 or even more loadings. Although I have see cases split from the original factory loading...Federal comes to mind here as I have seen many of these split from stem to stern.

You have to realize that the cases start to get nicked, dinged along the extractor rims, this can cause some feeding issues. Brass cases get work hardened each time you shoot/resize them, this makes them brittle and prone to split of failure. Generous chambers of some barrels cause this to happen faster because more work is required to resize. Sizing near the extractor cut(like that of push thru dies) help rounds fit the tighter chambers and pass a case gauge test, for 100% feed and function.

So great care needs to be taken with case inspection, to maintain reliable 100% function.

I try to keep my cast alloy (156grain/175grain)down to 1100-1150fps, but I have shot the 156grains in the 1400fps range without much leading.

Good luck with yours!

Maine1
05-30-2010, 19:50
my glocks see little else.

The10mmKid
05-31-2010, 05:38
GLOCK smile? Do tell.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194355&d=1269927105

Search for "GLOCK smile" if the above thumbnail link doesn't work.

'da Kid

_The_Shadow
05-31-2010, 10:20
If you have any cases like the one in the picture (10mmKid posted the link to above)...DO NOT ATEMPT TO RELOAD IT!, it has been compromised. Not even the "pushthru dies" will help to correct this...reloading and shooting this case can cause it to have a case head seperation.

Why? Because the brass has started to shear as it stretched due to the unsupported area. Pushing it back into place will not help the molecular structure.

aggiekcc
05-31-2010, 10:34
I just set up my reloading bench this past couple of months and finally made it to the range with my first batch of 9mm and 10mm home made ammo. Worked great and was more accurate than the PMC factory I was comparing to. Reloads are fine as long as you use some common sense.

Taterhead
05-31-2010, 15:15
Reloads/handloads will, obviously, void your Glock warranty, but I rarely shoot anything but handloads. Instead of cast lead, you may consider shooting plated bullets. They are not too much more expensive than lead, and function well in the Glock barrel.

The looser chamber of the Glock will leave a bit of "Glock Belly" in your brass. That will be a bulge just ahead of the extractor groove on one side. In my opinion, a bit of Glock belly is ok. If it grows into a "Glock smile" (with an indented half-moon above the bulge) then the case has been compromised. I've only induced Glock smiles in one load combination, so that hasn't really been an issue. My RCBS carbide re-sizing die irons out the Glock belly. I've been getting good life from my brass.

gator378
06-03-2010, 17:45
If I do not push the limits or get too close to the data max, how long will a casing last?

GLOCK smile? Do tell.

The range brass gremlins will steal your brass before it gets to end of its useful life. I had some I probably got 5 to 10 reloads but they seem to disappear eventually. I only go about 90% of max.

Case de Callier
06-04-2010, 03:06
If you have any cases like the one in the picture (10mmKid posted the link to above)...DO NOT ATEMPT TO RELOAD IT!, it has been compromised. Not even the "pushthru dies" will help to correct this...reloading and shooting this case can cause it to have a case head seperation.

Why? Because the brass has started to shear as it stretched due to the unsupported area. Pushing it back into place will not help the molecular structure.


Big 10-4 on that. I would hope nobody would look at that and say, "Well maybe one more load." Thanks for the pic 10mmKid.

Taterhead
06-04-2010, 17:56
The range brass gremlins will steal your brass before it gets to end of its useful life. I had some I probably got 5 to 10 reloads but they seem to disappear eventually. I only go about 90% of max.

+1 the nickle stuff is really hard to find on the gravel that is prevelant at my club.

Other than that, the extent of the useful life for my brass has been a function of cases eventually shrinking below specs. Winchesters have been the worst, followed by Federal. I've only ever had one 10mm case split. Oh, and I did have a few smilies once from a load workup with 800-X/180XTPs. Those were tossed.

TACC GLOCK
06-04-2010, 18:08
I shoot only reloaded, both lead and jacketed through 9mm, 40, and 45 glocks. I have not had any problems as of yet.

The10mmKid
06-04-2010, 22:23
Just to toss in a few more tidbits.

I've shot and reloaded 9mm for my G17 until either the primers seats way too easy or you can't read the headstamp anymore. I leave these at the public outdoor range.

I've shot and smiled quite a few high energy 10mm rounds. The chamber on my second gen G20 is just way too loose. I work up the loads in my LW barrel, but check some in the 'ole girl barrel, just in case I may need her.

I've split several Federal 10mm cases. Only Federal !!! Usually from quick powders. I no longer load 10mm with anything faster than a medium speed now. Favorite is LoudShot and that crappy dropping 800-X.

For my 40S&W G22, I've only loaded middle-of-the-road rounds. There are so many scary .40 cato's, I don't push it. Never bought any new .40 brass. The fotay' doesn't excite me much, so I just shoot it casually.

'da 10mm Kid

Case de Callier
06-07-2010, 21:14
Thanks everyone! :wavey:

ejs54
05-08-2011, 19:14
I've shot and smiled quite a few high energy 10mm rounds. The chamber on my second gen G20 is just way too loose. I work up the loads in my LW barrel, but check some in the 'ole girl barrel, just in case I may need her.

With your LW barrel what would be the reason for using your factory barrel? I understand the fitting differences between the two barrels so could I guess that the LW barrel is your 'test fixture' and factory barrel is for carry? All my LW barrels are conversions and not practical for me other than range use. That being said I can see a feeding issue in the back of my mind.

Thanks!

As of right now I don't have any 10mm experience but hope to change that soon. Found a G20 used at a good price and have yet to make my first batch of 10mm ammo. Not even going to bother buying factory ammo.

21Carrier
05-09-2011, 08:13
I shoot reloads all day long in my stock G29. From everything I've heard, shooting lead is the only danger in Glocks. Apparently, leading in the polygonal barrel rifling can cause pressure spikes and a potential over-pressure situation. I don't shoot lead in my Glock barrel, as it seems to be a pretty definite cause of kabooms. I know many do it, but I would say just buy an aftermarket barrel to shoot lead.

Like someone said, Glock advises against shooting reloads in general just to cover their butt. Since they can't regulate reloads, they advise against them. As long as you use jacketed bullets, or keep plated ones away from insane velocities, you should have no problems.

EAA10
05-09-2011, 08:29
Glock says no lead because of the rifiling in their barrels is more prone to getting plugged by lead and causing the possible ka-boom.

I don't shoot lead, but if I did, I would probably use an aftermarket barrel.
I do however know of many people who shoot lead out of the stock Glock barrels without any problems.....

BenKeith
05-13-2011, 20:36
I shoot nothing but reloads in my G20, I've never even bought a box of factory bullets. I shoot a 6" Lone Wolf barrel for 10mm practice, and a standard length 40 S&W barrel for 90% of my practice. I only shoot extremely heavy loads with new brass and I only use new brass in my carry loads. I also use a slight more crimp on carry rounds, to help ensure they don't hang in the chamber.

I've seen one case that looked like the "Smile" in the above link, and I'm sure mine was caused by having too weak of a return spring when shooting very lite loads, not letting the slide fully close. After getting one of those, I increased my practice charge another 0.4 grains and went back to the factory spring.

glascowangus
05-22-2011, 08:27
I have never fired a round of factory ammo in either of my Glocks(19,20). Not a hiccup in 5k- never owned a gun that didnt enjoy a steady diet of quality reloaded ammunition.