Where can I find 10mm vs .45 and 40 ballistics?

[alfred10]

Where can I find the pros and cons of switching from a sub compact Glock 27 .40 cal to a compact Glock 29 10mm, and From a Glock 21 .45 Cal to a Glock 20 10mm. I want to see if im gaining alot of penatration.

[Brent10mm]

10mm will give you penetration... but that is more or less a factor of the bullet being used.
G27 is a great gun, there is a good dif in size between it and a 29.
G21 can be converted to 10mm with a barrel change, and 10mm mags...

10mm can be a lot more things than either caliber... 135gr - 230gr bullet range selection... can be downloaded, or full bore. with energy levels nearing 900ft./lbs. Ted N. took a cape buffalo with a 10mm.
you can also get .40S&W & 357sig & 9x25Dillon barrels for the 10mm if you like variety....

[SCC]

Caliber Corner

[agtman]

Where can I find the pros and cons of switching from a sub compact Glock 27 .40 cal to a compact Glock 29 10mm, and From a Glock 21 .45 Cal to a Glock 20 10mm. I want to see if im gaining alot of penatration.

Google is your little friend.

Get the G20 and then man-up with real-deal 10mm ammo (DT or BB), and you won't have any problems with "penetration."

G20 & DT 165gn Golden Saber ammo.
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/G201.jpg

In fact, you'll find you have a choice in high performance 10mm loads between SD-type ammo and "hunting" ammo using projectile configurations that actually enhance penetrative capability. Depends on what your specific needs are.

The 10mm AUTO - high & hard.
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/610-1.jpg

Also, avoid the temptation to shoot watered-down, .40-duplicating 10mm loads ... because ...

(a) it's a waste of your money (just get a .40 instead) ... :whistling:

(b) they still .40 loads, even though your pistol says "10mm," so you're not foolin' anyone ... :upeyes:

(c), well, in Brokeback Moutaineer land, nothing says Way2Ghey like 180gns @ 1000fps. :faint:

C'mon, let's get serious ...

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/motivator46fdd30941de0051d087f76546.jpg

[sirisaac]

This may provide some interesting info. http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/terminal.html With everything, there are trade-offs. I think the Taylor Knockout formula goes a long way in describing terminal effectiveness. I know shot placement matters, as does what you're shooting through (barriers,etc), but I think taking bullet weight, diameter and velocity into account will provide a useful comparison. YMMV.

[Indiana Camper]

I know this is not exactly on topic but does anybody know where can I find that funny drawing of ammo comparisons? It has I believe 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm.

Now back on topic.

[JW1178]

Velocity has been proven to be a man-stopper with a long street record to back it up such as the 125gr .357mag and 115gr 9mm +P+.

Penetration of hard materials (barrier) is very important when having to shoot through objects to get to the target. This is why the .357sig is popular.

Penetration of soft material is quite important to reach vital organs which that failure to penetrate has been a serious problem with failures to stop. This is why heavy for caliber is popular.

Expansion/caliber is important and proven to be effective to stop the threat. This is why so many swear by the .45's as it has been more than proven to be very effective at getting the job done with fewer shots.

Capacity is important because running out of ammo in a critical moment really sucks to put it lightly. This is a big plus going for the 9mm's.

Here is the problem:

Too many trade offs. When trying to achieve high velocity you have to give up mass and bore and go with a rather light bullet for that caliber and you give up your soft penetration. If you want the soft penetration you go with a heavier bullet and give up that velocity and hard barrier penetration. When trying to get more bore you need a bigger gun with less capasity and usually give up velocity as well. There is always as much if not more negatives than positives.

If you were to try to combine all these positive characteristics with minimal negative characteristics and drawbacks you would have the 10mm. With a 10mm, the weapon is loaded with rounds in 10+1 in subcompact and 15+1 in full size. It's going to fire a decently weighted .40cal bullet out of it's barrel at a .357esqe velocity and with that speed it's probally going to expand and hit very hard, and with the weight behind it to carry though whatever it has to get through to get the job done and the BG trying to use your couch of coffee table as cover isn't going to do him much good. The only thing I do not like about the 10mm is the fact that you have to go with a heavier, larger gun, which is why I usually carry my G27. Heavier recoil, yes, but it is far overexagerated on the internet, it is actually quite controllable.

Let me add this though, the tool is no better than it's operator. The most important factor in the effectiveness of your weapon is YOU. What works perfectly for one person might just be a disaster for another. I am only discussing the round itself, so don't let some 9mm fanatic, .45 die-hard, or even us 10mm enthusiast make the decision for you. So find out which weapon fits you the best and learn how to use it.

[ronin.45]

So are you looking for; a pocket pistol, an ankle gun, a fullsize woods carry gun, a long range offensive handgun, a 10mm, a 45ACP, or all of the above?

[Streetking]

I shoot and load 9mm 10mm 40 and 45. Nothing can come close to the 10mm. If you don't hand load try some Double Tap. Loaded to original Norma Standards. A true 10mm. You can load a 185 gr .45 way up as well @1000fps+. I've owned many 1911s. If you load the .45 up to those velocities most don't like it.

[jp3975]

10mm is king period as far as damage caused per shot. [in a practical automatic]

Ive got a Glock 20. Dont have any trouble carrying it.

But these days Ive come to rely more on my Steyr M9A1 [9mm]

Why? Because I can empty a 15 round mag in about 2 seconds and stay on target.

Why Steyr? Feels great in the hand. Reliable. And it has the fastest factory sites on the market. Only thing I can imagine that would make a better combat sight is maybe Goshen's hex site.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1524/steyrsight2cm5.jpg

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=506&pictureid=2890

[remat]

Firearmstactical.com has some good results. It is a little hard to find/navigate. Recommend googling like firearmstactical glock 29, etc.

There is also an 10mm Advocacy Page around. It has some good #'s for 29 vs 30. Lots of info around on ballistics from a 27.

regards

[cowboywannabe]

there are two pictures/graphs that come to my mind....

one is the chart of the ballistic jello impact of the various major loads. (10mm makes a nuke cloud inside jello)

the other is the chart showing the inpet 9mm, .40cal, .45acp and the blow the head off the target 10mm.

with those two nothing else need be said for the 10mm.

[CDR_Glock]

Where can I find the pros and cons of switching from a sub compact Glock 27 .40 cal to a compact Glock 29 10mm, and From a Glock 21 .45 Cal to a Glock 20 10mm. I want to see if im gaining alot of penatration.
I would recommend posting this question to Mas Ayood under the Self Defense section of Glock Talk.

Penetration will depend upon specifically what load and weight you use. A higher rated velocity will give more penetration. There are numerous books and articles about the ballistics of ammunition. In practical terms, availability of that tested ammunition is limited in certain parts of this country.

What you should do is research the data on loads available specific to you. The cost benefit analysis of a particular brand/spec of ammunition will be only limited by your wallet, the specific pistol/magazine combination and your willingness to develop the skills to shoot another caliber.

I like to depend on 1 main caliber for the purposes of practice and carry, the 40 SW. If I had to resort to my alternate/BUG of the 357, the short range of SD less than 7 feet, is another supplemental "modality" I concentrate upon. Shot placement, recoil charactersitics and ambidextrous situations are what I feel is more "High Yield" for my situations.

[grizman]

Sorry guys but I keep seeing these post about the penetration power of the 357 sig. BS! its a 125 gr 9mm bullet, yes it is a 9mm .355" dia bullet not a .357" dia true 357 mag bullet, at an average 1350 fps. And thats at its best! Heck 9mm 124gr +p+ equals that!
No way that comares to a 180 gr 10mm round at the same 1350 fps!
Guys I don't hate the 357sig round but it isn't even equal to a 357 mag in the light bullets! It is nothing more than a +p+ 9mm! for folks who don't like 9mm's!
It is not a magnum level powerhouse! it does nothing a +p+ 9mm can't do!
Yes it fits in a smaller frame than a 10mm. same size as a 9mm though and you can get more rounds of +p+ in the same space! So the sig looses to the 9 again! I am not a 9mm fan either, just tired of the 357sig'ers spouting it's supposed ballistic magic mojo that it can't back up!
Check the ballistics! its a hot 9mm and that is all!

[Stubudd]

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[Slug71]

Why do people compare +P or +P+ rounds with regular rounds. More so +P+ though. I assume +P+ rounds are harder to find and more expensive than finding a standard caliber of equal performance.
ie. 9mm +P+ = more $ than a .357sig.

Its like the ACP guys that knock on the GAP with their +P.

[grizman]

Why do people compare +P or +P+ rounds with regular rounds. More so +P+ though. I assume +P+ rounds are harder to find and more expensive than finding a standard caliber of equal performance.
ie. 9mm +P+ = more $ than a .357sig.

Its like the ACP guys that knock on the GAP with their +P.

No its not! The 357 sig is a hi pressure round as well, rated by saami at 40k psi. The 9mm is rated at 35k standard, +p is at 38.5k if logic follows that would put +p+ or std nato 9mm ammo at around 40k as well. so tell me again how the sig round is a standard round? and how it is unfair to compair +p+ 9mm to "std" sig rounds? you want apples to apples for comparison to play fair right! Well that proves it right there, the 357 sig is fancy bottle necked 9 mm +p+! and nothing else! The answer to problem that didn't exist! It was a simple marketing ploy by Sig Sauer to sell a bunch of new pistols to police officers/deptments that missed their 357 mag revolvers performance! So please enlighten me as to how it is unfair to compare two cartridges of nearly identical psi ratings, firing nearly indentical bullets? :whistling:
Just like all the banter about 10mm and 40s&w. A hot 40 is not a 10mm but a weak, easy on the ladies wrists, loaded 10mm is a 40 short and weak!
Sure if your paw is too small for a full size pistol like a G20 then by all means step down to baby brother power wise and size wise and pick up a 22,23 or a 27. But don't be fooled it is not a 10mm short!
But if any one caliber was perfect we would only have one right! variety is the spice of life and what fuels some good discussions on this board.

As to the 45acp+p to 45gap comparison, no its not fair! But Glock/speer never claimed it anything more than a ballistic twin to std 45acp loadings in a shortend case that allows it fit within the 9mm/40s&w OAL to fit in the smaller mags and frame. Nothing false or misleading there!
Do a little research and you will find I am dead on about the 357sig round! So lets look at the 19/32 comparison, we can have ballistic twins if the correct load is selected for the 19, lets say a 124grn GD at 1300 fps, to the only 357sig round a 125gr at 1350. Wow thats close and I get 2 extra ronds with the 19! plus I can stuff a 33 rounder up the grip stocked full of the puppies and chase the BGS around the house till cops arrive if I need too! See why i say the 357 sig is the answer to no problem!

[grizman]

never mind if its not clear yet it never will be

[07 LMB Z06]

I know this is not exactly on topic but does anybody know where can I find that funny drawing of ammo comparisons? It has I believe 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm.

Now back on topic.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg264/crahockey11/CaliberComparison.jpg

[remat]

The 357 sig is a hi pressure round as well, rated by saami at 40k psi. The 9mm is rated at 35k standard, +p is at 38.5k if logic follows that would put +p+ or std nato 9mm ammo at around 40k as well.

I have no opinion on this debate, but having recently talked to WinLE and asked them specifically this I can say with some authority that you ARE correct. 357Sig is SAAMI rated at 40K PSI which is the same as the 127gr +P+. Hot for big box? Yes. Keep in mind 9mm proof loads are 50K PSI. All three are hotter than 10mm which is about 38K PSI.

Grizman-You will also like this--folks go to the WinLE site and compare the 9mm 127gr +P+ and the 357 Sig 125gr. According to Win's tests the 127gr outperforms the faster 357 Sig round.

But, I do not round discriminate, I like them all (with 10mm being my favorite). :)

[10mm Universe]

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[Chonny]

A lot of ammo websites will have their energy and fps.

[grizman]

I have no opinion on this debate, but having recently talked to WinLE and asked them specifically this I can say with some authority that you ARE correct. 357Sig is SAAMI rated at 40K PSI which is the same as the 127gr +P+. Hot for big box? Yes. Keep in mind 9mm proof loads are 50K PSI. All three are hotter than 10mm which is about 38K PSI.

Grizman-You will also like this--folks go to the WinLE site and compare the 9mm 127gr +P+ and the 357 Sig 125gr. According to Win's tests the 127gr outperforms the faster 357 Sig round.

But, I do not round discriminate, I like them all (with 10mm being my favorite). :)

Thank you! It's the same way the gun shop guy's tried to kill the 10mm with the " the fbi tried it and dumped it so it must not be any good, stay away from it it's a dead caliber." BS! Truth time! the fbi down loaded the 10mm to what became 40S&W specs because the less manly male agents and most of the female agents couldn't control the guns the agency had chosen for them to carry. short barrelled S&W pistols that were not properly sprung for the full power stuff! End of story! No other service caliber cartridge offers the power or flexability of the 10mm period!

[tag]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg264/crahockey11/CaliberComparison.jpg

It's amazing to me that this type of silliness ever enters this debate. What's worse.....some people believe this type of hype.

[cowboy1964]

It's amazing to me that this type of silliness ever enters this debate. What's worse.....some people believe this type of hype.

It IS silliness, nothing more. No one takes that cartoon seriously.

[SDGlock23]

grizman, let me get this straight. The 357 Sig is no better than the 9mm and the .40 is a piece of crap compared to the 10mm. Both of which are wrong btw. I'm guessing you've bought into the 10mm hysteria? Too much of what you say sounds like you're one of those die hard 10mm or nothing kind of guys. It's nice yes, I have one and have had several. But it's not the end all be all, and there are other choices besides the 10mm.

[grizman]

grizman, let me get this straight. The 357 Sig is no better than the 9mm and the .40 is a piece of crap compared to the 10mm. Both of which are wrong btw. I'm guessing you've bought into the 10mm hysteria? Too much of what you say sounds like you're one of those die hard 10mm or nothing kind of guys. It's nice yes, I have one and have had several. But it's not the end all be all, and there are other choices besides the 10mm.

The 357 sig is no better than a top end +p+ 9mm never said a reg 9mm! The full power 10 is better than a 40! I am correct you are wrong! Never said the 40 was crap. The discussion was on ballistics my man! The ballistics prove what I stated! Show me another auto loading service caliber round that even equals the 10 by the way! Service caliber does not mean rounds like a 460 rowland, 45 super or any of the wildcat stuff around. Many PD's allow the 10mm if one can qualify with it. None that I know of allow anything but 9mm,40,45, and 10mm in auto loaders. So you think the 40 is better than a 10? LMAO! I don't own or shoot a 9,40 or a 357 sig this is true. I run 45's 10's and above! So for me yeah a 45 is the min acceptable SD caliber the 10 is slightly better. You want a ballistic monster for an autoloader to comare to how about one that fires a 230 grn 45 caliber gold dot at 1800+ fps? I can put 8 rnds into a 9" paper plate at 100yards rapid fire. When loaded with a fmj ball round at the same level it will punch through a level 3a vest! No its not a 460 rowland, the rowland is done below 1500fps! The fact is everyone chooses their own pet caliber! truth is that the proper caliber for each shooter is the most powerful one they can fire accuratley and quickly. If for you thats a whatever thats fine.

[gatorboy]

Do a little research and you will find I am dead on about the 357sig round! So lets look at the 19/32 comparison, we can have ballistic twins if the correct load is selected for the 19, lets say a 124grn GD at 1300 fps, to the only 357sig round a 125gr at 1350. Wow thats close and I get 2 extra ronds with the 19! plus I can stuff a 33 rounder up the grip stocked full of the puppies and chase the BGS around the house till cops arrive if I need too! See why i say the 357 sig is the answer to no problem!

You might want to take your own advice grizman.

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23617

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23918

Ah, nevermind. You have it all figured out already.

[grizman]

You might want to take your own advice grizman.

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23617

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23918

Ah, nevermind. You have it all figured out already.

My 9mm +p+ Gold dot load would be from buffalo bore not a speer loading. Thats why the statement about with the proper load. I do my research before I respond thank you! Check out buffalo bores sku#24b/20 on their site and compare that to the 23918 speer round you listed! and then start over! LOL

[gatorboy]

My 9mm +p+ Gold dot load would be from buffalo bore not a speer loading. Thats why the statement about with the proper load. I do my research before I respond thank you! Check out buffalo bores sku#24b/20 on their site and compare that to the 23918 speer round you listed! and then start over! LOL

Laugh out loud all you want kid! So you pay over twice as much for your BB ammo and train with what - WWB or Blazer? Probably 115's too huh? With 357sig you can train with ammo that matches your carry load both in weight and velocity. There are some pretty good deals on 124 NATO out there now, I'll give you that. It's not a source that is constantly there though, I see it come and go. Also, you're discounting the benefit that bullets for 357sig tend to have huge meplat to bullet diameter ratio's. More damage going in, less deflection at angles and shorter OAL for equal weight which leaves more room for powder. Most if not all Big 3 357sig is lower pressure than 9mm +P+ and probably most + P considering it was designed to launch 125's @ 1450 under 40K SAAMI.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/SFS5150/Speer125.jpghttp://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/SFS5150/Speer124.jpg

:tongueout:My .355 bullets are better than your's!!!:tongueout:

[gatorboy]

Apples to apples my friend. If you are going to use BB as an example, you should use it for both calibers. It gives your position credit (though wrong :tongueout:) where picking and choosing examples to meet your needs is easily transparent to seasoned internet caliber war vets.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=123

[Bapple]

I like 9mm, 10mm and .357 sigs. However, I CCW a G33 or a G29 for the best possible ballistics and stopping power I can attain and shoot well. I'll pass on shooting +p or even worse +p+ 9mm. My Glock 9mm's shoot standard ammo and that is it. If I want to shoot higher pressure rounds, I buy/use the gun according to that (.357 sig G33/10mm G29).

Check the chamber support of the 9mm barrel and then compare it to the .357 sig chamber support. Big big difference. 9mm leaves something to be desired for support, especially if you want to shoot +p+ rounds whereas the .357sig barrel is basically 100% supported. Just take a look at the two, it is apparent which gun was built to shoot higher pressure rounds.

On the other hand, if it doesn't bother you to shoot the +p+ rounds in the 9mm, then you have nothing to worry about.

FWIW, I use an aftermarket barrel in my Glock 10mm's also, which offer much better support than the stock barrel. The stock Glock .357 sig barrels offer some of the best chamber support you can find anywhere, in any pistol. These are just my opinions and experiences. YMMV

[grizman]

Man you 357 sig guys are worse than the die hard 10 guys! The whole thing was a balistics argument with one example comparing glocks of the same style in each caliber. Piont is there are 9mm rounds out there that can/will do what the 357 sig can! Face it! Mighty 357 sig is only a hot 9mm and that is all it will ever be. Pratice with? every member of service from a NATO country has been practicing with it for years sig guys mil surp nato 9mm ball, 124grns at 1350 fps, yep it hot! The whole point was/is that there is no reason other just wanting another pistol to run out and buy a 357sig if you have a quality 9mm already!

Besides its all just burning up spare time anyway! The 357 sig is niche round just like the 10mm! Only diff is the 10 is making a come back in the market and the sig is just stagnent! no new loads,guns nothing. just the same old stuff been around since it came out!
Its all up to each person to pick what they like! Just don't go preachin' bout how "bad" the 357 sig is when it isn't!

You can continue on stomping your feet and declaring the mighty 357 sig has been besmirched all you want! Facts Are Facts, ballisticly its no end all power house, it won't out penetrate a 10mm! and its results in actual street shootings place it even or slightly behind the hot 9mm stuff! I am sorry if you are all offended, but I didn't talk you into that caliber promising you a 357 mag autoloader! I have said from the start its a hot 9mm! Enough is enough the end. Done here!

[Glolt20-91]

Man you 357 sig guys are worse than the die hard 10 guys! The whole thing was a balistics argument with one example comparing glocks of the same style in each caliber. Piont is there are 9mm rounds out there that can/will do what the 357 sig can! Face it! Mighty 357 sig is only a hot 9mm and that is all it will ever be. Pratice with? every member of service from a NATO country has been practicing with it for years sig guys mil surp nato 9mm ball, 124grns at 1350 fps, yep it hot! The whole point was/is that there is no reason other just wanting another pistol to run out and buy a 357sig if you have a quality 9mm already!

Besides its all just burning up spare time anyway! The 357 sig is niche round just like the 10mm! Only diff is the 10 is making a come back in the market and the sig is just stagnent! no new loads,guns nothing. just the same old stuff been around since it came out!
Its all up to each person to pick what they like! Just don't go preachin' bout how "bad" the 357 sig is when it isn't!

You can continue on stomping your feet and declaring the mighty 357 sig has been besmirched all you want! Facts Are Facts, ballisticly its no end all power house, it won't out penetrate a 10mm! and its results in actual street shootings place it even or slightly behind the hot 9mm stuff! I am sorry if you are all offended, but I didn't talk you into that caliber promising you a 357 mag autoloader! I have said from the start its a hot 9mm! Enough is enough the end. Done here!

The real kicker here is if one handloads the .355cal (.357SIG) 125gr Gold Dot in a 9mm case. It's not that difficult to break 1300fps in a G17, not that much velocity difference than Speer's .357SIG/125gr ammo.

One of my favorite carries out here on the property is the 1911/.38Super, 125gr XTP (.357mag design) running in the upper 1400s. Not very many ammo companies load their .357mag/125gr JHPs >1450fps. I can load the .357mag to much faster velocities, but I can't match the ~.15sec split times.

Rather than change over to a sub-compact 10mm or .45auto, why not carry the .40 with 200gr XTPs or even hardcast from DT?

Here are official gelatin results for all of the DoubleTap loads!
All of these tests were done using 10% ballistic gelatin provided by Vyse gelatin using all FBI protocols and 4 layers of denim and two layers of light cotton T-shirt in front of the gelatin.

DoubleTap 9mm+P
115gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1415fps - 12.00" / .70"
124gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1310fps - 13.25" / .70"
147gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.00" / .66"

DoubleTap .40 S&W Penetration / expansion
135gr. Nosler JHP @ 1375fps - 12.10" / .72"
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1275fps - 13.00" / .76"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1200fps - 14.0" / .70"
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"
200gr XTP @ 1050fps - 17.75" / .59"


DoubleTap .357 Sig
115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 12.25" / .71"
125gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1450fps - 14.5" / .66"
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1250fps - 14.75" / .73"

DoubleTap .357 Magnum
125gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1600fps - 12.75" / .69"
158gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 19.0" .56"

DoubleTap 10mm
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"

DoubleTap .45ACP
185gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1225fps - 12.75" / .82"
200gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.25" / .88"
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"

DoubleTap 9X25
115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1800fps - 10.0" / .64" frag nasty
125gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1725fps - 15.0" / .74"
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68"

For those who are asking, here it is!
-Mike
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www.doubletapammo.com
For the 10mm enthusiast!
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The 10mm seems to be making a comeback, in addition to S&W's M610/6"/4" 10mm revolvers, the 10mm is now also offered in their scandium frame Night Guard snub line for CCW.

Bob :cowboy:

[britmullet]

Perhaps I'm a little late for this party, but It's been awhile since we took a look at the absolute most definitive reason that 10mm was hand crafted by the hands of god himself.

ahem...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xOwMB-G2DNY/Ssqcsz63gNI/AAAAAAAAADg/lmcOeW8ggeQ/s400/10mm.jpg

[Chonny]

No the drawing is legendary internet gun humor and should be invoked as often as possible.

10mm is the auto cartridge just for you alf, the 40 as you know is just a watered down 10mm.

Use some good ammo like Buffalo Bore, Cor Bon, or Double Tap. I know you can at least get Blazer practice ammo.

[gsparesa]

Maybe if the 10mm was renamed the "40 magnum maybe it would gain more respect.

[OctoberRust]

So are you looking for; a pocket pistol, an ankle gun, a fullsize woods carry gun, a long range offensive handgun, a 10mm, a 45ACP, or all of the above?


Alfred is looking for a pocket gun for defense against bears. :rofl:

Just ask him, he'll tell you.

[cowboy1964]

No other service caliber cartridge offers the power or flexability of the 10mm period!

What defines a "service caliber"? To me it means a caliber that is in wide-spread use in LE or military. Which the 10mm ain't.

[greenlion]

The 10mm seems to be making a comeback, in addition to S&W's M610/6"/4" 10mm revolvers, the 10mm is now also offered in their scandium frame Night Guard snub line for CCW.

Bob :cowboy:

I just looked S&W's website over from head to toe, and I don't see any 10mm revolvers listed, either the m610 or in the nightguard series. Where are you seeing this info???

[blastfact]

The 310 is there. 610's are not current production.