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JTLIII
06-01-2010, 13:15
I want to buy a compact 1911 for concealed carry. 3in barrel, either 9mm 40 or 45. I've seen the Kimber and sPringfield armory.

Any other options around that prices range ~$1k?

MoBill
06-01-2010, 13:19
I carry an STI Escort in .45. It was just over $1k OTD. I've been very pleased with it.

bill

Cerebrus
06-01-2010, 13:28
I hear that Rock Island makes some decent compacts..
http://www.gundealeronline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=54183
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?PID=41707&w=PQ%2BJDyOLrQE%3D

Tactical black
06-01-2010, 14:12
The only micro 1911 I'm interested in is the Springfield EMP

Hokie1911
06-01-2010, 14:25
The only micro 1911 I'm interested in is the Springfield EMP

What he said. :thumbsup:

Cerebrus
06-01-2010, 15:04
I love my Kimber UC II that wears a set of CT grips.. it has been my edc for the better part of 5 yrs now.. granted it was about $1,200.. but the CT's are worth it
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm320/cerebrus2099/IMG_0709-1.jpg
it aint the prettiest but it goes everywhere I do
http://http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm320/cerebrus2099/IMG_0709-1.jpg

BubbaShoots
06-01-2010, 15:27
My Colt New Agent has been flawless. The alloy frame makes it easy to carry. No sights to snag.

1time
06-01-2010, 17:53
I have the RIA cs and I love it. It is accurate dead reliable and it won't bother me too much if the finish wears off or it ends up I'm an evidence room for a year or so.

SIG-SOG
06-01-2010, 20:05
I would recommend the Colt Defender because I own one and it has been flawless. But, don't take my word for it. Check out forums.1911forum.com in Colt Mfgr's section. Lots of good things said about the Defender and New Agent. Some will say that Colt has got the 3" design nailed; plus, its a Colt.....

Johnspark
06-01-2010, 20:37
Just over $800 and 75 rounds down range. Perfect so far. Kimber Ultra Carry 2.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Johnspark/IMG_1357.jpg

Substance-P
06-02-2010, 18:42
I would recommend the Colt Defender because I own one and it has been flawless. But, don't take my word for it. Check out forums.1911forum.com in Colt Mfgr's section. Lots of good things said about the Defender and New Agent. Some will say that Colt has got the 3" design nailed; plus, its a Colt.....

+1 both my good friend and I used to have Colt Defenders and neither one of us had ANY problems with them. Good solid carry 1911.

ar15
06-02-2010, 19:15
I have the Kimber Eclipse UCII.
Love it very comfortable

glock2740
06-02-2010, 19:37
Rock Island makes a nice compact. I have one and like it alot. But it's a steel framed gun and I like the weight of the alloy framed Kimber Ultra models better. SA makes a nice little compact too.

BlayGlock
06-03-2010, 07:28
STI Shadow

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/STIShadow001.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/STIShadow002.jpg

Quack
06-03-2010, 07:55
my EDC EMP
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_2356.jpg


or for the cheap:
Citadel
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2068.jpg

Cobra64
06-04-2010, 02:02
The only micro 1911 I'm interested in is the Springfield EMP

:agree:

1911s aren't conducive to downsizing. The EMP got it right.

JTLIII
06-04-2010, 10:35
The EMP is a 40 right?

farscott
06-04-2010, 10:41
EMP is available in 9x19 or .40 S&W.

Hokie1911
06-04-2010, 10:48
I'd go with the EMP or this in 9mm.

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Escort/images/Escort_Main_320x240.jpg

jdodd
06-04-2010, 12:54
I just went through this exact same thing. The main contender was the springfield EMP but I have read WAY to many reports of reliability that required several trips to SA. NOW...those people who did send them in after 1 or 2 trips always seemed happy if they didnt sell it. I just couldnt stand spending 1k+ on a gun that has repeated reports of out of the box failures. Heck, on page 1 in this forum you can see a guy who has a brand new EMP that has to go in for work.

Take a look at the Colt Defender in 9mm thats where my search ended.

Goodluck,

-J

Quack
06-04-2010, 13:04
One has to remember that most of the things we hear on the net are problems. The only issue I had was the extractor was a lil too tight. Quick adjustment and its been 100%. I started carrying my EMP after the first 250 rounds and have around 1500 rounds through it now.

MD357
06-04-2010, 13:18
I just went through this exact same thing. The main contender was the springfield EMP but I have read WAY to many reports of reliability that required several trips to SA. NOW...those people who did send them in after 1 or 2 trips always seemed happy if they didnt sell it. I just couldnt stand spending 1k+ on a gun that has repeated reports of out of the box failures. Heck, on page 1 in this forum you can see a guy who has a brand new EMP that has to go in for work.

Take a look at the Colt Defender in 9mm thats where my search ended.

Goodluck,

-J

Just curious if you actually read what that individual said about his EMP.. "The good news is that it eats everything that I fed it." He's sending it back because the front sight is off center and he thinks the safety isn't smooth?

FWIW, I have two EMPs. One in .40 for me and one in 9mm for my better half. The .40 is the softest shooting micro I've ever felt. I've had no significant problems with either of them.

Hokie1911
06-04-2010, 13:19
I just went through this exact same thing. The main contender was the springfield EMP but I have read WAY to many reports of reliability that required several trips to SA. NOW...those people who did send them in after 1 or 2 trips always seemed happy if they didnt sell it. I just couldnt stand spending 1k+ on a gun that has repeated reports of out of the box failures. Heck, on page 1 in this forum you can see a guy who has a brand new EMP that has to go in for work.

Take a look at the Colt Defender in 9mm thats where my search ended.

Goodluck,

-J

You can say that about ANY gun. I've been researching 1911s for the better part of a year for my first 1911 purchase. Multiple forums and TONS of differing opinions. I was pretty deadset on a Kimber ProCarry for a while then read a CRAPLOAD of Kimber horror stories. Granted, Kimber sells more 1911s so the higher gun count, the higher probability of guns with issues. I decided to pass, spend a little more and not take my chances with a Kimber. Like Quack said, how many people take the time to write about their guns online unless there is an issue. For every problem Kimber, there's probably hundreds or thousands of happy Kimber owners. I've heard horror stories about Baer, Wilson, Fusion, Brown....etc etc etc. Exeter Sigs apparently suck, but I had no problems with mine. So who's to say what you will get or not get. High price should, but does not guarantee a zero problem firearm. Just my $.02.

NYS Ret.5763
06-04-2010, 13:42
Have a Colt OM(25+ yrs.old). Colt makes a Defender and an Agent(I bekieve)that are compact 45ACP platforms.:supergrin:

jdodd
06-04-2010, 14:43
One has to remember that most of the things we hear on the net are problems. The only issue I had was the extractor was a lil too tight. Quick adjustment and its been 100%. I started carrying my EMP after the first 250 rounds and have around 1500 rounds through it now.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Very true, but when I read up on a gun I look at what type of issues and the volume I see them in. I also try to get a feel for technical knowledge of the operator; an idiot can make anything fail. <o:p></o:p>
Just curious if you actually read what that individual said about his EMP.. "The good news is that it eats everything that I fed it." He's sending it back because the front sight is off center and he thinks the safety isn't smooth? <o:p></o:p>
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FWIW, I have two EMPs. One in .40 for me and one in 9mm for my better half. The .40 is the softest shooting micro I've ever felt. I've had no significant problems with either of them.<o:p></o:p>
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I did read his post…but what worries me is what kind of quality control lets a sight like that go? How many people looked at the sight or flipped that safety and said “bah, good enough” and let it go. Those are two things that could have been noticed AND corrected during the test fire, but no. So what else was “good enough?” A design is only as good as the people who make it.<o:p></o:p>
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I love the design of the EMP and it has a lot of great features. I just expect if I drop 1k+ on a gun the sights at least ought to be put on straight.:upeyes:<o:p></o:p>
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You can say that about ANY gun. I've been researching 1911s for the better part of a year for my first 1911 purchase. Multiple forums and TONS of differing opinions. I was pretty deadset on a Kimber ProCarry for a while then read a CRAPLOAD of Kimber horror stories. Granted, Kimber sells more 1911s so the higher gun count, the higher probability of guns with issues. I decided to pass, spend a little more and not take my chances with a Kimber. Like Quack said, how many people take the time to write about their guns online unless there is an issue. For every problem Kimber, there's probably hundreds or thousands of happy Kimber owners. I've heard horror stories about Baer, Wilson, Fusion, Brown....etc etc etc. Exeter Sigs apparently suck, but I had no problems with mine. So who's to say what you will get or not get. High price should, but does not guarantee a zero problem firearm. Just my $.02.<o:p></o:p>
I just offered my $.02 and will not lose any sleep over the OP taking it or not. I just wanted to toss in a contender not previously listed. As we all know though…the internet is serious business. :tongueout:

-J

Aiden
06-04-2010, 15:02
FWIW, I have two EMPs. One in .40 for me and one in 9mm for my better half. The .40 is the softest shooting micro I've ever felt. I've had no significant problems with either of them.

How do you like the EMP in .40? That ammo is abundant in my area, but the .45acp just can't stay on the shelves for longer than an hour after being restocked.

JTLIII
06-04-2010, 16:00
ammo isn't a problem for me either way, I just want a nice gun. I think I've held a Kimber UC and liked it. I'm considering the rock island, but its weight is not something I like. would prefer 40 or 45....

Hokie1911
06-04-2010, 17:01
How do you like the EMP in .40? That ammo is abundant in my area, but the .45acp just can't stay on the shelves for longer than an hour after being restocked.

Man, I hear ya. My local WM has STACKS of WWB and Federal .40 but I have NEVER seen .45 on the shelf there. I check at least once a week.

Aiden
06-04-2010, 17:29
ammo isn't a problem for me either way, I just want a nice gun. I think I've held a Kimber UC and liked it. I'm considering the rock island, but its weight is not something I like. would prefer 40 or 45....

My question would be how well could you shoot .45 out of a 3 inch barrel, and how well could you shoot .40?

When I think of a carry gun, I'd consider a gun that I can shoot accurately and quickly. I'd try and get a range session with a short .45, regardless of manufacturer, just to see how well I could shoot it. Same goes for the .40.

SIG-SOG
06-04-2010, 19:10
Anyone and most everyone has a Glock

Anyone and many can get and have Springers

But how many Defenders / New Agents do you come across.

Try something a little different.

And if you are bothered by accuracy of a 3" gun, then why not get a long(er) gun. For a CCW weapon, what distances do you think you might need to use it. I rarely shoot any of my pistols beyond 7 to maybe 10 yards.

Aiden
06-04-2010, 23:42
Point of clarification for my post regarding shooting accurately.

I meant the shooter, not the gun. If I have trouble managing the recoil of my .45, I might consider something that kicks a little less.

I hear the .40 makes for snappy recoil and results in more barrel flip, though I personally didn't experience that with the XDm I'm shooting, but it's a full length gun with tungsten guide rod, so it's not necessarily relevant.

Point is, if I can't shoot it quickly and accurately, why would I carry it?

Just my thoughts.

MD357
06-05-2010, 01:27
How do you like the EMP in .40? That ammo is abundant in my area, but the .45acp just can't stay on the shelves for longer than an hour after being restocked.

I was skeptical but it's one of the better purchases I've made for a carry platform. My particular gun has eaten all the junk ammo I could throw at it. I bought it for the same reason, I needed a 1911 carry alternative in .40 because I couldn't readily find .45. The dual recoil spring really works in these things. Recovery is VERY fast for a micro 1911.

I honestly wouldn't listen to those that just read stories on the internet and are cherry picking information. I think it's a big step over a Colt Defender because it's honestly designed from the ground up and Springfield provides really good mags for it.

MD357
06-05-2010, 01:41
I did read his post…but what worries me is what kind of quality control lets a sight like that go? How many people looked at the sight or flipped that safety and said “bah, good enough” and let it go. Those are two things that could have been noticed AND corrected during the test fire, but no. So what else was “good enough?” A design is only as good as the people who make it.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I love the design of the EMP and it has a lot of great features. I just expect if I drop 1k+ on a gun the sights at least ought to be put on straight.:upeyes:<o:p></o:p>

Ok, just to point out some reality, I've seen some horrendous Colt QC misses over the years. This coming from a Colt fan. Sorry, but that's a throwing stones in a glass house scenario. Hint: every manufacturer has them, it's their initial specs and their CS is what is important. I'll agree that Colt's are very good BUT they are retro fitting a .45 platform here. This can and will equal problems down the road.

Some guy wanting a perfectly fitted safety from a $1k gun is new to 1911s IMO, hate to say it but you don't see that level of perfection until you get to a custom maker of some sort. The safeties fitted on my EMPs are no worse or better than any other $1000 ish guns I've owned or shot.

rangersniper308
06-05-2010, 09:19
I love my Springfields...
My EDC is a Micro Compact Lightweight Operator in .45 it is my best all time running 3 in I have ever had. 100%

but my Champion Lightweight Operator is hands down a super shooter!

do your research. try to shoot some and make a qualified decision... Springfield has ultimate customer service if you would ever need it...
just what I have found over the years.

P.s. never tried the EMP 9 or 40 as I carry 45 off duty

lawdog734
06-05-2010, 09:29
I was looking at the emp in 40, I carry a sig 229 in 40 on duty so I can get ammo from them. I carry a sig rcs 1911 off duty now. It's a great smaller gun but it has the longer (4.25) barrel.

Quack
06-05-2010, 09:34
Man, I hear ya. My local WM has STACKS of WWB and Federal .40 but I have NEVER seen .45 on the shelf there. I check at least once a week.

you will never see .45ACP at my Walmart because they have no limit on ammo purchases and i buy them out when they do have it in stock :tongueout:

Aiden
06-05-2010, 10:05
you will never see .45ACP at my Walmart because they have no limit on ammo purchases and i buy them out when they do have it in stock :tongueout:
And then you sell it to poor unfortunate souls like myself and hokieshooter right? Because you're that great a guy.

Quack
06-05-2010, 10:27
no, but i'll tell you where to get cheaper ammo from (if you were in the NE Ohio are).

Stocker's (where Hokie is buying his Cbob) has .45 ammo for a little less than what walmart sells it for and they have pallet's of it. I think i paid ~$320OTD for 1000rds for American Eagle

Navitimer
06-05-2010, 11:10
I am very biased toward Kimbers and Colts. I'm currently considering either a Colt New Agent or Combat Commander. The new Night Commanders are pretty sweet too.

Hokie1911
06-05-2010, 16:25
And then you sell it to poor unfortunate souls like myself and hokieshooter right? Because you're that great a guy.

Nah, he's such a great guy he's gonna let me shoot a crapload of it out of his KobraCarry next week. :supergrin:

Aiden
06-05-2010, 16:45
Nah, he's such a great guy he's gonna let me shoot a crapload of it out of his KobraCarry next week. :supergrin:

Sounds like a fun time, get some pictures.

All my friends only have sigs and old russian rifles...:crying:

I need new friends

BAB 78
06-05-2010, 17:03
Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry...My everyday carry. It eats everything I feed it. No problems, flawless. Cost me about $980 from Bud's.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/babstar/gun001.jpg
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/babstar/gun001.jpg)

HAIL CAESAR
06-05-2010, 17:08
The only thing about the little guns is you have to really keep up on the recoil and mag springs.

rk246
06-06-2010, 12:27
How are you gonna carry? I have several CCO type 1911's they are excellent for carry, I know you asked about a 3" gun, and these are 4 1/4" but I carry IWB and length of the slide makes no difference in my carry as the slide is down your hip, its grip length and thickness of the pistol that make a big deal to me. The longer the slide the better luck you will have towards reliability. Of course this is just my opionion.