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bac1023
06-02-2010, 14:23
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A rare breed for sure. The Valtro 1998 A1 is an outstanding quality 1911. They were produced in Italy under the watchful eye of master 1911 smith John Jardine.

Its a great addition to my 1911 collection and certainly not one I ever thought I'd actually own. Many thanks to fellow GT member Mr. Thundermaker for letting me convince him to sell it to me.

Anyway, the gun has never been fired. Overall build quality reminds me of a Wilson, but with an enormous amount of exotic flair. In fact, this is the only Valtro I've ever seen in person.

Here's some info on Valtro 1911s.

http://www.valtrousa.com/aboutvaltro.html

The website has been frozen in time for a while now and I believe what little production of them there was, has now ceased. The gun really impresses me and I love the unique rounded edges on every part of it. Its like a subtle melt job. Even the rear sights are dehorned. Attention to detail is amazing throughout and the trigger is fabulous. From an appearance standpoint, I think its beautiful. The bluing is shiny and smooth, the rollmarking isn't overly obnoxious, and the checkering is very fine. While I tend to prefer 1911s without front serrations, these serrations are done very tastefully. It has a nicely beveled magwell, an ambi safety, and a full length guide rod.

Despite being a slightly older design, it has some modern touches, such as a countersunk slide stop, a serrated slide top, and a very nice French border around the slide. This are all eye candy I love to look at on a high end enhanced 1911A1. The walnut grips with the Valtro medallion go well with the rest of the gun.

Below is the photos from the website. If you notice, mine has smaller rollmarks then the gun in the link., which is good.

http://www.valtrousa.com/photogallery/ticevaltro1.html




I do believe John Jardine still does custom work on his Valtros, as shown in the link below. Its some awesome work.

http://www.jardinescustom.com/photographs.html



As I mentioned in other threads, I have several real nice 1911s coming this June and July, but the Valtro was the one I was looking forward to the most. As many know, I love rare collectable guns. However, they're not always synonymous with high quality. In the Valtro's case, its outstanding build quality matches its extreme rarity.

Thanks for looking at my latest addition.

Your comments and thoughts are always appreciated!

Does anybody own one or have any first hand experience with a Valtro?

Tactical black
06-02-2010, 14:55
Congrats looks nice.

Trey83
06-02-2010, 14:56
That looks very nice with the melt job. How many 1911's do you have that are unfired?

CMG
06-02-2010, 14:57
I remember when they were being made, they had a number of avid fans.

Congrats.

Jim Watson
06-02-2010, 15:00
As I understand it, Mr Jardine tuned up all the Valtros imported into the USA. And did a darned nice job of it, everybody who managed to get one liked it.
I read some less complimentary accounts of Valtros direct from Italy to shooters in Canada. Those factory stock guns were pretty ordinary.

glock2740
06-02-2010, 15:07
Congrats! That's a very good looking gun. Nice melt, sharp checkering and just plain good looking. :thumbsup:

Jim S.
06-02-2010, 15:08
It looks like a very well made 1911. Is it a series 70 or 80 type of firing system.

jrs93accord
06-02-2010, 15:13
Brian, that is one gorgeous hunk of metal. Congrats in a huge way. :yourock:

bac1023
06-02-2010, 16:08
That looks very nice with the melt job. How many 1911's do you have that are unfired?

Not sure. I'm guessing maybe five or six. :dunno:

Cobra64
06-02-2010, 16:28
:faint:


Well done Brian.

I know you've been biting fingernails since last Fall waiting for this sweetheart to arrive. The dehorning makes it more svelt like a Ferrari, and I like French border "art" on a high end 1911 to give it distinction from production guns. The front serrations are not so bad in that they are very fine, unlike those on many newer 1911 models.

Aesthetically, your Valtro ranks up there with the Yost, Hi Power and RRA. :supergrin:

Now the big question is: "Are you going to keep it virgin?" :dunno:

samuse
06-02-2010, 16:55
Where would you rate the quality of it? Springfield Mil-Spec, TRP, Baer, Wilson Supergrade? It looks nice, like a Baer with an Ed Brown thumb safety and Wilson sights.

bac1023
06-02-2010, 17:06
:faint:


Well done Brian.

I know you've been biting fingernails since last Fall waiting for this sweetheart to arrive. The dehorning makes it more svelt like a Ferrari, and I like French border "art" on a high end 1911 to give it distinction from production guns. The front serrations are not so bad in that they are very fine, unlike those on many newer 1911 models.

Aesthetically, your Valtro ranks up there with the Yost, Hi Power and RRA. :supergrin:

Now the big question is: "Are you going to keep it virgin?" :dunno:

Thanks for the compliments Mark. I'm glad you really like it.

You'll see it next time you're up my way. :wavey:

I really like the dehorning as well. I could see that in the pics on the website, but you can't really tell until you handle the gun.

I will shoot this at some point. :)

Hokie1911
06-02-2010, 17:08
[IMG]Its a great addition to my 1911 collection and certainly not one I ever thought I'd actually own. Many thanks to fellow GT member Mr. Thundermaker for letting me convince him to sell it to me.



Mr Thundermaker...you WILL sell me the Valtro.

http://pancakedominion.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obi-wan.jpg

Hokie1911
06-02-2010, 17:11
I'm pretty much a 1911 noob and don't know the ins and outs of the nuances (yet) that make a difference between good and great, but that thing looks sexy. Congrats on another beautiful pistola.

BlayGlock
06-02-2010, 17:27
Very Cool. :thumbsup:

I may have a chance to pick up a Dawson Tactical Advantage single stack. I belive less than 200 were made.

bac1023
06-02-2010, 17:29
Mr Thundermaker...you WILL sell me the Valtro.

http://pancakedominion.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obi-wan.jpg



:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
06-02-2010, 17:32
Where would you rate the quality of it? Springfield Mil-Spec, TRP, Baer, Wilson Supergrade? It looks nice, like a Baer with an Ed Brown thumb safety and Wilson sights.

Its definitely a unique 1911 in many ways and different things about it remind me of various models in my collection.

The checkering and other metalwork are up there with nearly any 1911 I own.

Honestly, the 1911s in my collection it reminds me the most of from an overall feel standpoint are my Performance Center Smith and my STI Legacy. That would land it right on the lower edge of the semi custom range and the very top edge of the production range. Now it has nicer, more detailed metalwork than either of those guns and many of my other high end models.

The only disappointing part is the area around the thumb safety. It could have been cleaned up a little nicer, in my opinion. Its not bad, but it doesn't quite match the refinement of the rest of the pistol.

HAIL CAESAR
06-02-2010, 18:33
Heck I've been looking for one for YEARS!!

Nice arm twisting you did.

John Hatcher
06-02-2010, 18:35
Nice firearm Sir! Congrats!

Jim S.
06-02-2010, 18:44
Alright Brian, that's twice you ignored my question.
Same question as a matter of fact.
Asked the same thing in regards to the Remington you are waiting for.
I'm gonna get a complex or something!!!

drc767
06-02-2010, 19:03
Damn, Brian......that is a keeper, for sure! The melt job is very nice...not overly done. Nice find!!

BOGE
06-02-2010, 19:26
ATTENTION: torture test soon to follow.
















:rofl: Sweet gun, Bac. I remember when he was taking orders for these & he got in over his head I believe and orders were really backed up.

Nestor
06-02-2010, 20:24
Wow :wow:

ctfireman
06-02-2010, 20:43
What a beauty.

ronin.45
06-02-2010, 20:54
Great addition to your collection Bac!

bac1023
06-02-2010, 21:19
It looks like a very well made 1911. Is it a series 70 or 80 type of firing system.

Alright Brian, that's twice you ignored my question.
Same question as a matter of fact.
Asked the same thing in regards to the Remington you are waiting for.
I'm gonna get a complex or something!!!


Sorry LOL.

Honestly Jim, I'm not sure. I'll look into it.

Does anybody know the answer to Jim's question, because I don't. :dunno:


I do believe the new Remington is a series 80.




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bac1023
06-02-2010, 21:23
Heck I've been looking for one for YEARS!!

Nice arm twisting you did.

Thanks Al :)

There was an unfired model on Gunbroker late last year.

I think it sold for about $5K. :wow:

CTM_357
06-02-2010, 21:29
Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The_Drizzle
06-02-2010, 21:36
Very nice. Your pistols and pics are outstanding.

den888
06-02-2010, 22:36
Very nice !!!

gruntmedik
06-03-2010, 00:54
You've outdone yourself. Again. :rofl:


Very nice! :thumbsup:

bac1023
06-03-2010, 06:30
ATTENTION: torture test soon to follow.




:rofl:


Sweet gun, Bac. I remember when he was taking orders for these & he got in over his head I believe and orders were really backed up.

Thanks.


Yeah, I believe that was pretty much the story, BOGE.

Rinspeed
06-03-2010, 06:34
I want to say congrats and that is a very sweet blaster Brian but....

















http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv203/snowcandy9x/i-hate-you.jpg

bac1023
06-03-2010, 06:52
I want to say congrats and that is a very sweet blaster Brian but....








http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv203/snowcandy9x/i-hate-you.jpg


:rofl:

That's funny, Jeff. :)

I do recall you saying you liked Valtros in the past.

This is actually the first experience I've ever had with one.

Nicko
06-03-2010, 13:27
Beautiful. Congrats :cool:

bac1023
06-03-2010, 13:28
Another thing I wanted to mention that I like is the fact that there is no radius whatsoever between the front strap and trigger guard.

I really like the way that looks and the high grip it allows you to get. The only other 1911 I have like that is my Rock River. :)


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/012-3.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/014-4.jpg

Alcoy
06-03-2010, 13:32
Congrats!!

In my new vocabulary, 1911 = bac, bac = 1911.

bac, are you sure you are not related to JMB?

bac1023
06-03-2010, 17:33
Congrats!!

In my new vocabulary, 1911 = bac, bac = 1911.

bac, are you sure you are not related to JMB?

I wish! :supergrin:

Rinspeed
06-03-2010, 20:00
:rofl:

That's funny, Jeff. :)

I do recall you saying you liked Valtros in the past.

This is actually the first experience I've ever had with one.




I'm just pissed I procrastinated getting on the list when they were $1200 and again when they went to $1400. Funny you should post a pic of it next to your RRA because I always thought they looked very similar and both very sexy. I think you should contact John and see if he will add the mag well to it. :whistling:

marlinfan
06-03-2010, 20:11
Congrats bac.

bac1023
06-03-2010, 20:23
I'm just pissed I procrastinated getting on the list when they were $1200 and again when they went to $1400. Funny you should post a pic of it next to your RRA because I always thought they looked very similar and both very sexy. I think you should contact John and see if he will add the mag well to it. :whistling:

Yeah, they really went nuts on value in the last few years.

I was thinking of calling John to see if he could do some work on it for me.

You can see some of his work here on Valtros.

http://www.jardinescustom.com/photographs.html

Glockdude1
06-04-2010, 09:20
Nice pistol.

:cool:

grecco
06-04-2010, 09:28
WOW!
Cograts and good luck with another addition to your art collection.

bac1023
06-04-2010, 17:07
Thanks guys. :)

PlasticGuy
06-04-2010, 17:09
I remember seeing a magazine article on the Valtro when it first came out. I liked the styling then, and still do. I've never actually seen one in person though. I'm jealous yet again.

Magus
06-04-2010, 17:22
Bac, you mean you actually managed to find a rare 1911 that most of us don't have? Nooooo waaay! LOL! :tongueout:

Seriously though, congrats, looks great just like all of yours do.

CMG
06-04-2010, 17:27
[QUOTE=bac1023;15406742]Another thing I wanted to mention that I like is the fact that there is no radius whatsoever between the front strap and trigger guard.

I really like the way that looks and the high grip it allows you to get. The only other 1911 I have like that is my Rock River. :)


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/012-3.jpg

Kimber's Aegis II is machined that way. I like it quite well myself.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KProAII.jpg

bac1023
06-04-2010, 19:37
Kimber's Aegis II is machined that way. I like it quite well myself.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KProAII.jpg


I have some others that are close, like my Les Baers.

Jeepnik
06-04-2010, 21:17
Hey guys, knock it off. I've run out of drool, and my keyboard is squishing when I type.:supergrin:

Nalapombu
06-04-2010, 21:34
ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!! I was thinking the other day about why you didn't have a Valtro and I check in and see that you've got one. A sweet prize for sure.

I remember when they were all the rage. They were selling for $1100 when Jardine first started selling them and they went quick. From what I understand he was working with Valtro in Italy to bring their 1911's to the USA and was telling them what kind of specs he expected. When they would arrive he was finding that they were not living up to what he was specifying to the factory so he was having to do more and more work to them before they left his hands. He is also a perfectionist and insisted on first rate stuff and would not let one go until he personally made sure it was up to his standards. The orders and waiting list soon grew too large and he couldn't keep up. He also couldn't find quality help in his shop to prep things for him and that slowed him down quite a bit. It just grew to be too much and he stopped with the VALTRO project.

I think they are made out of a harder steel, at least that's what I was told more than a few times. I also remember talking to a gun shop worker in San Fran that had a "DEMO" Valtro in their case for people to try and it had over 250,000 rounds through it and was still going strong. They would only rarely get a VALTRO to sell, but they kept the demo there anyway. I talked to John Jardine one night. He asked if I wanted on his list for a VALTRO and I told him I couldn't afford it at the time and even if I would've had him add me to the list I seriously doubt he would've gotten to me. One thing, Mr. Jardine is a talker. He is a VERY knowledgeable man when it comes to 1911's as you would expect. I learned a lot just listening to him. I guess we talked for about an hour or so. Very nice guy to talk to. It's a shame that the VALTRO project stopped.

Another owner is none other than Ken Lunde, the famed picture taker who takes and posts incredible images of his gun collection and SHOT Shows. He's got a couple of them, one like yours BAC and another in Hard Chrome. Talk about a beauty!!!

Congrats on such a great find.

Nalajr

Rinspeed
06-04-2010, 21:49
For those that don't know John Jardine is the nephew of the late Armand Swenson, one of the all time great 1911 smiths.

bac1023
06-05-2010, 04:56
For those that don't know John Jardine is the nephew of the late Armand Swenson, one of the all time great 1911 smiths.

I heard that before once, but didn't know if it was true.

Cool :cool:

DustyJacket
06-05-2010, 07:20
Nice.

Now take it out and shoot it.





An angel dies every time and unfired pistol is put into a safe.......

handyman
06-05-2010, 08:12
Very nice!

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
06-06-2010, 13:15
Very, very nice. You have such an outstanding 1911 collection, Bac.

bac1023
06-06-2010, 16:59
Very, very nice. You have such an outstanding 1911 collection, Bac.

Thank you, my friend. :)

Don Glock
06-06-2010, 17:17
looks pretty nice :)

airflyer
06-07-2010, 07:41
Awesome gun for a awesome collection good find

bac1023
06-08-2010, 15:41
Congrats looks nice.

That looks very nice with the melt job.



Congrats.

Congrats! That's a very good looking gun. Nice melt, sharp checkering and just plain good looking.

It looks like a very well made 1911.

Brian, that is one gorgeous hunk of metal. Congrats in a huge way. :yourock:



Well done Brian.


Aesthetically, your Valtro ranks up there with the Yost, Hi Power and RRA. :supergrin:



that thing looks sexy. Congrats on another beautiful pistola.

Very Cool. :thumbsup:



Heck I've been looking for one for YEARS!!

Nice arm twisting you did.

Nice firearm Sir! Congrats!

Damn, Brian......that is a keeper, for sure! The melt job is very nice...not overly done. Nice find!!



Sweet gun, Bac..

Wow :wow:

What a beauty.

Great addition to your collection Bac!

Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very nice. Your pistols and pics are outstanding.

Very nice !!!

You've outdone yourself. Again.


Very nice!

I want to say congrats and that is a very sweet blaster Brian

Beautiful. Congrats

Congrats!!

In my new vocabulary, 1911 = bac, bac = 1911.



Congrats bac.

Nice pistol.



WOW!
Cograts and good luck with another addition to your art collection.

I remember seeing a magazine article on the Valtro when it first came out. I liked the styling then, and still do. I've never actually seen one in person though. I'm jealous yet again.

Bac, you mean you actually managed to find a rare 1911 that most of us don't have? Nooooo waaay! LOL!

Seriously though, congrats, looks great just like all of yours do.

ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!! I was thinking the other day about why you didn't have a Valtro and I check in and see that you've got one. A sweet prize for sure.

Congrats on such a great find.

Nalajr

Nice.

Now take it out and shoot it.


Very nice!

Very, very nice. You have such an outstanding 1911 collection, Bac.

looks pretty nice :)

Awesome gun for a awesome collection good find




Wow guys!

I really appreciate the overwhelmingly positive response. Thank you. :wavey:

bac1023
06-10-2010, 05:17
ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!! I was thinking the other day about why you didn't have a Valtro and I check in and see that you've got one. A sweet prize for sure.

I remember when they were all the rage. They were selling for $1100 when Jardine first started selling them and they went quick. From what I understand he was working with Valtro in Italy to bring their 1911's to the USA and was telling them what kind of specs he expected. When they would arrive he was finding that they were not living up to what he was specifying to the factory so he was having to do more and more work to them before they left his hands. He is also a perfectionist and insisted on first rate stuff and would not let one go until he personally made sure it was up to his standards. The orders and waiting list soon grew too large and he couldn't keep up. He also couldn't find quality help in his shop to prep things for him and that slowed him down quite a bit. It just grew to be too much and he stopped with the VALTRO project.

I think they are made out of a harder steel, at least that's what I was told more than a few times. I also remember talking to a gun shop worker in San Fran that had a "DEMO" Valtro in their case for people to try and it had over 250,000 rounds through it and was still going strong. They would only rarely get a VALTRO to sell, but they kept the demo there anyway. I talked to John Jardine one night. He asked if I wanted on his list for a VALTRO and I told him I couldn't afford it at the time and even if I would've had him add me to the list I seriously doubt he would've gotten to me. One thing, Mr. Jardine is a talker. He is a VERY knowledgeable man when it comes to 1911's as you would expect. I learned a lot just listening to him. I guess we talked for about an hour or so. Very nice guy to talk to. It's a shame that the VALTRO project stopped.

Another owner is none other than Ken Lunde, the famed picture taker who takes and posts incredible images of his gun collection and SHOT Shows. He's got a couple of them, one like yours BAC and another in Hard Chrome. Talk about a beauty!!!

Congrats on such a great find.

Nalajr

Nala, thanks for all the info, my friend. :)

dober-man
08-30-2011, 19:02
I bought one from John Jardine when they first came out. I found out about it from gun test magizine.They picked it over the WILSON CQB.The price was to good to pass up.It took a long time to get it though I wanted mine to have night sites on my adjustable sites.Without a question my favorite piece of my collection.

P.S. the steel that is used is the very best used in gun making,I forget the exact type something like 5056 chrome molly.Will have to dig out the gun test issue it states it in the article.

bac1023
08-30-2011, 20:22
I bought one from John Jardine when they first came out. I found out about it from gun test magizine.They picked it over the WILSON CQB.The price was to good to pass up.It took a long time to get it though I wanted mine to have night sites on my adjustable sites.Without a question my favorite piece of my collection.

P.S. the steel that is used is the very best used in gun making,I forget the exact type something like 5056 chrome molly.Will have to dig out the gun test issue it states it in the article.

Dang, this was an old thread of mine.

Thanks for the info. :)

asiparks
09-02-2011, 11:12
so....you shot it yet......?

bac1023
09-02-2011, 17:23
so....you shot it yet......?

No sir :embarassed:

RMA
09-02-2011, 19:41
No sir :embarassed:
What are you waiting for ? :rofl: Looks awesome, you have me thinking of purchasing one now...if I can ever find one that is :whistling:

bac1023
09-02-2011, 19:51
What are you waiting for ? :rofl: Looks awesome, you have me thinking of purchasing one now...if I can ever find one that is :whistling:

Thanks.

They are very hard to find and when you do, prices are sky high.

silversport
09-03-2011, 05:20
beautiful pistol...enjoy...
Bill

okie
09-03-2011, 05:50
Very nice, Brian:thumbsup:

DustyJacket
09-03-2011, 08:06
As I said a year ago:

An angel dies every time an unfired pistol is put into a safe.......

ronin.45
09-03-2011, 11:38
Think of the angels, BAC!:angel::angel:

bac1023
09-03-2011, 17:51
As I said a year ago:

An angel dies every time an unfired pistol is put into a safe.......

Oh well, I guess I killed quite a few angels. :embarassed:

I've got several unfired pistols, actually.

bac1023
09-03-2011, 17:51
Think of the angels, BAC!:angel::angel:

:rofl::rofl:

Nakanokalronin
09-03-2011, 20:53
Awesome looking piece!









Now, how about I trade you like 4 Glocks for it? Maybe I'll even throw in a nice Taurus for target practice........as the target. :rofl:

bac1023
09-04-2011, 05:08
Now, how about I trade you like 4 Glocks for it? Maybe I'll even throw in a nice Taurus for target practice........as the target. :rofl:

:animlol:

DustyJacket
09-04-2011, 09:00
I've got several unfired pistols, actually.
That is just wrong...... :crying:

itstime
09-04-2011, 09:05
Wow Bac. Your collection keeps growing to some great levels.

akapennypincher
09-04-2011, 12:14
Valtro's were a lot of bang for the buck, I ordered one but never got it because the company folded. I kept waiting for the call saying it was to be started, and I need sent partial payment, but it did not come.

bac1023
09-04-2011, 20:18
That is just wrong...... :crying:

I hear you, but I have 160+ that I do shoot. Its not a big deal.

bac1023
09-04-2011, 21:13
Those pics I took last year were very washed out.

I have since taken better ones of my Valtro. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/053.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/056.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_3888.jpg

DustyJacket
09-05-2011, 06:23
... I have 160+ that I do shoot. ...

Jeeeeeeezus. :shocked:

Every time I get over 5 handguns, or 2 rifles, I 'have to' trim the heard.

bac1023
09-05-2011, 06:29
Jeeeeeeezus. :shocked:

Every time I get over 5 handguns, or 2 rifles, I 'have to' trim the heard.

I'm a collector, so its different.

GOOFA
09-06-2011, 02:58
What a beautiful 1911! Great detail on those pics. I can see and feel the love it took to create it. What an addition.

bac1023
09-06-2011, 04:18
Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

limbkiller
09-06-2011, 16:22
Jeeeeeeezus. :shocked:

Every time I get over 5 handguns, or 2 rifles, I 'have to' trim the heard.

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
09-06-2011, 20:05
:rofl::rofl:

I found that humorous as well. ;)