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Erick123
06-03-2010, 00:35
My Glock 17 will be in on friday (the 4th).

But for now, I was wondering what +P+ ammo I should get for HD.

124gr +p+ Federal Hydra shok JHP.
115gr +p+ Winchester Ranger JHP.

Others?

voyager4520
06-03-2010, 00:39
Welcome to GlockTalk and congrats on your new firearm!

Both of those are great choices. YouTube user tnoutdoors9 has some home-made ballistic tests of several 9mm hollow-point cartridges. While his tests won't necessarily replicate real-world circumstances, they're still quite interesting.

andreleger2001 is another YouTube user with several home-made tests.

RedHaze
06-03-2010, 00:47
Caliber Corner (http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&f=31) - Browse around in here for a while as well.

My 17 is loaded up with Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P.

Foxtrotx1
06-03-2010, 00:59
I would say any Hollow point round is better than nothing. Can't go too far wrong if the gun has rounds in it.

Erick123
06-03-2010, 01:10
I was very amazed by the speer gold dot 124 gr +P.

It out performs the +p+ winchester.

B Coyote
06-03-2010, 01:31
147 grain Gold Dot or Ranger Bonded would be my first choice.

124 +p Gold Dot would be my second.

bc

fuzzy03cls
06-03-2010, 07:10
Don't really need +p+. The added recoil isn't worth it.
Speer gold dot 124gr +p is just fine. I use this as SD ammo in all my 9mm's.

GunFighter45ACP
06-03-2010, 07:26
I'd recommend anything in 115gr +P+ or Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+, but only if they function properly & accurately out of your G17.

Speer's 124 +P is also a good choice & may represent the standard or benchmark in 9mm +P rated offerings.

Jav21
06-03-2010, 08:59
A good read here:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Note that most testing with 9mm ammo is done with 4" barrels. Yours is 4.5" so you will get a little extra velocity so rounds that are just under a penetration requirement, like the 124gr Gold dot, which is not on the list in the link above but the same round 124gr +P would be on the list.

You can buy gold dots or HST and I think Golden saber too in bulk online (250 rounds) or in semi-bulk (50 rounds) for around $.60 each round whereas buying in the regular (20 round) boxes any defense ammo will cost you $1+ each round.

Edit: The 147gr rounds have a lower muzzle energy and are easier to shoot than anything +P+ you have chosen.

tx787
06-03-2010, 09:05
There's a lot of good information on ammo in the "Caliber Corner" forum on GT (I didn't know it existed when I joined either).

You'll find lots of different opinions, personally I don't like +p+ and prefer +p or standard pressure. The Gen4 G17 loves 124 grain anything so I'd say 124 grain standard pressure or +p in any ammo that is widely used by LE such as Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger.

I'd stay away from HydraShock only becuase it's dated compared to other products from the same company (CCI Speer) such as GD and HST. That being said it's still widely used and if it's all you can find get it.

I've had good luck with Remington Golden Sabers (also sold as Ultimate HD) with my G17 but most people will say they are an inferior round and they're probably right.

Glocked-N-Loaded
06-03-2010, 09:14
I've been reading very good things about Golden Saber lately... think I may be switching back from Gold Dot.

VZ1600
06-03-2010, 10:06
My 17 is loaded up with Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P.

I keep the same in my G34.

Flipz
06-03-2010, 10:30
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p

ZumaGlock
06-03-2010, 11:05
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p

+1 to the Gold Dots

En9999
06-03-2010, 18:40
AR15.com has a good faq on this in their handgun ammo section. They recommend the following:


Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

cowboy1964
06-03-2010, 19:22
147 gr HST or 124+P Gold Dot

http://frag.110mb.com/

556A2
06-04-2010, 13:51
AR15.com has a good faq on this in their handgun ammo section. They recommend the following:


Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

+1 to that.

I personally like the Winchester Ranger-T 147 grain load.

unit1069
06-04-2010, 18:30
My Glock 17 will be in on friday (the 4th).

But for now, I was wondering what +P+ ammo I should get for HD.

124gr +p+ Federal Hydra shok JHP.
115gr +p+ Winchester Ranger JHP.

Others?

The first thing I'd recommend is read the Glock manual, carefully inspect the pistol and lightly clean and lube it following the manual's instructions.

After that take it to the range and put 200 rounds of FMJ range ammo through it. The cheapest range ammo I know of at the moment is the Winchester White Box 115-grain ammo usually sold at Wal-Mart for around $24/100 rounds. After that just about any premium JHP self-defense ammo is a reasonable choice as long as you stick to "name" manufacturers.

Personally, I feel that standard pressure 9mm JHP self-defense ammo is perfectly adequate. You're only going to get another 50-100 fps by going to +P, and my thinking is that if standard pressure ammo isn't sufficient to get the job done then I'm relying on the wrong caliber to get that job done.

That said, in the one "serious" 9mm pistol I own (4"barrel) I carry 124-grain +P, but that's only because that particular ammo has the best overall shooting characteristics in that particular gun. It has nothing to do with the marginal velocity and muzzle energy numbers the +P yields over the standard pressure version of the same ammo.

It's fun and educational to try as many good premium self-defense rounds as you can. I always save one magazine's worth of the ammo whether I decide I like it or not, just in case there's something I might have overlooked about it. It never hurts to have "backup" in the event another ammo shortage hits.

JBP55
06-05-2010, 11:11
Any modern HP ammunition that functions reliably in your gun. Some good choices are Gold Dot, HST, Ranger T, PDX1 and Golden Saber in 124/127/147.

DRT
06-05-2010, 18:14
I'd go with any of the following:

1) 147gr HST (+P or standard) or 147gr Ranger Tseries
2) 127gr +P+ or 124gr +P Ranger Tseries

vanilla_gorilla
06-05-2010, 19:21
Choose from one of the folloring:

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)



These rounds have been tested and vetted by Dr. Gary Roberts is being optimal for self-defense.



Edit to add: I se eI've been beaten to the punch.

Edit2: I'm currently carrying the 147 HST rounds in my M&P 9mm.