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LT1_MASTER
06-03-2010, 19:15
Hi all,

I recently (about a year ago) bought a 10/22. It's a pretty basic one, wood stock, black painted reciever, standard barrel, plastic trigger group etc. I love shooting all day at the cost of about $10. However, my particular rifle has a very annoying problem. It jams probably once every 5 rounds on average. I clean it well after each use and it has had this problem since brand new. Serial # is 353-44xxx. The problem is that it stovepipes the extracted casing either to the right of the chamber, blocking the bolt/action from going full forward (most common) and occasionally above the chamber and new cartridge (less common) also blocking the bolt/action from going full forward and making it much more difficult to clear the jam. The rifle also occasionally fails to feed a new round without a stovepipe, but I account this to the old butler creek mag that doesnt fit as tight in the magwell as it used to (as the new BC mag doesnt have this problem). I get this problem using the factory 10rd magazine, and also when using 25 round butler creek magzines. It doesn't seem to make a difference in the frequency of jams using either type of mag. I've used different types of ammo, none seem to be better than any others. I usually use bulk ammo though, either federal or winchester 550 round packs. I can push (move) the extractor easily with my finger, I have a very reliable 10/22 for reference (my dads) and the extractor seems to offer the same amount of resistance. I notice that when the casings do extract, they go everywhere, forwards, backwards, far, near. So, my question to the rimfire forum braintrust is, any ideas? Any known fixes? Anybody with a similar problem and solution? Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Allen

Artemis Arms
06-03-2010, 19:38
Best advice I can give you is to go to rimfirecentral.com and ask there.

hoosier#17
06-03-2010, 19:50
I bought a brand new 10/22 rifle a while back and cleaned it and was a jam-o-matic for about 250rnds. After that the jams lessened more & more till its almost non-existent now. The Wal-Mart cheapie brands are definately not a favorite of my rifle either. Just food for thought.

1985 4Runner
06-03-2010, 20:22
Trade it for a Marlin 60.


Seriously.

LT1_MASTER
06-03-2010, 20:44
Trade it for a Marlin 60.


Seriously.

Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind. If i wasnt so impressed with my fathers 10/22, mine wouldve been sold off 11.5 months ago. I've never owned a gun that jams so often, it really takes the fun out of shooting hearing *click* 1/5 of the time when pulling the trigger.

DWARREN123
06-03-2010, 20:46
Yep, try WWW.RIMFIRECENTRAL.COM (http://www.RIMFIRECENTRAL.COM)
Probably the best place for rimfire info if you can stand some of the people.

LT1_MASTER
06-03-2010, 20:46
I bought a brand new 10/22 rifle a while back and cleaned it and was a jam-o-matic for about 250rnds. After that the jams lessened more & more till its almost non-existent now. The Wal-Mart cheapie brands are definately not a favorite of my rifle either. Just food for thought.

Now that you mention it, mine has improved from baseline it seems, but it still jams like a mofo. I would like to say that the better ammo makes a difference but thats simply not the case. It jams no matter what ammo it gets fed.

LT1_MASTER
06-03-2010, 20:50
Yep, try WWW.RIMFIRECENTRAL.COM (http://www.RIMFIRECENTRAL.COM)
Probably the best place for rimfire info if you can stand some of the people.


Will have to check that out, thanks for the tip.

PzGren
06-03-2010, 20:59
It looks to me as if you have two separate issues, one is mag related and the other is a failure to extract/eject properly.

The ejection issue is quite likey caused by the extractor, not only the pressure of it is influencing extraction and ejection but also its shape and how far it reaches over the rim.

You can either replace it with a Volquartsen (sp?) extractor or relief the extractor yourself.

I filed mine down a tad, so that it could reach over the rim better and the rifle runs very well now, before that I had about 30 to 40% FTEs.

Glock 17L
06-03-2010, 21:09
I have a Volquartzen Extractor in both my 10/22 & MKII Rugers..
They don't cost much & will turn a jam-o-matic into a custom plinker..
My buddy bought a all weather 10/22 & it was a JLF & just swapping the extractor for a Volqaurtzen Exact Edge Extractor healed it for good.. It's 100% now..

Give it a try!! You'll be glad you did..
You might also clean the chamber realy well with a bent brush around .270"..
I drilled my reciever so I can clean from the breach & stay away from the crown..

Good Luck LT1_MASTER

HAMMERHEAD
06-03-2010, 21:17
Sound like a rounded edge or other imperfection on your extractor. The Volquartsen exact edge extractor had a good rep over at rimfire central, or take your chances with a replacement from Ruger.

blackbmw
06-03-2010, 22:28
Volquartsen all the way, Put one in my 597, and its a different machine now! always extracts.

Rooster Rugburn
06-03-2010, 22:34
A few months ago, when I was struggling with mine, I could have helped you. Now, since I gave up on it and got a Marlin 60 and Savage, what I learned has left me.

Rimfirecenteral.com is your best bet. Here are some tweaks you will need to do to get it running, which basically is to replace everything on it with a Voltquartsen or other quality third party component:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=220

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123409


I do remember that tight fitting Butler Creek mags will cause jams. Supposedly, you want the mag loosely fitting. You can sand the mags, or the magwell.

There is also a tweak for the mags that consists of spraying silicon in the hole at the bottom and lubing the spring channel. That helps it feed more reliably.

crazypilot
06-03-2010, 23:03
Mine has been doing the same thing. I called Ruger and they told me to send it back but I haven't done it yet.

steve1911
06-04-2010, 01:59
Sound like a rounded edge or other imperfection on your extractor. The Volquartsen exact edge extractor had a good rep over at rimfire central, or take your chances with a replacement from Ruger.

+1 mine did the same thing then i installed the VQ exact edge extractor,
i have run close too 3000 rds thru it know with no fte, give it a try, and take a look at rimfire central, good place to learn about 10/22's, good luck.


1911club#410

LT1_MASTER
06-04-2010, 08:27
I have a Volquartzen Extractor in both my 10/22 & MKII Rugers..
They don't cost much & will turn a jam-o-matic into a custom plinker..
My buddy bought a all weather 10/22 & it was a JLF & just swapping the extractor for a Volqaurtzen Exact Edge Extractor healed it for good.. It's 100% now..

Give it a try!! You'll be glad you did..
You might also clean the chamber realy well with a bent brush around .270"..
I drilled my reciever so I can clean from the breach & stay away from the crown..

Good Luck LT1_MASTER

This seems to be the best option at this point, and is inexpensive, so I think I'll order one and go from there. Will let you guys know what happens. Thanks for the ideas!

Jason D
06-04-2010, 16:36
That is the best course of action to do first.

PzGren
06-04-2010, 21:36
That is the best course of action to do first.

...or just the beginning. Volquartsen products are convincingly good and once you start replacing OEM parts with them, you will most likely continue.

Isn't the VQ hammer really great?:supergrin:

Jeepnik
06-04-2010, 21:41
You know, Ruger has a pretty good rep for fixing things that aren't right. I'd give em a call, as spend a couple of bucks to send it to them.

My one and only problem with a Ruger was a well used Mark I Target that suddenly decided to go full auto one day. Packed it up, sent it to them, they fixed it and sent it back for free. That's why I bought more Rugers. I kinda like dealing with a company that stands behind their product.

Jason D
06-05-2010, 13:37
...or just the beginning. Volquartsen products are convincingly good and once you start replacing OEM parts with them, you will most likely continue.

Isn't the VQ hammer really great?:supergrin:

Isn't that the truth.

You can literally replace ever single part on a 10/22 with VQ parts, and almost all of them on a MK...pistol. It can get pretty expensive awefully quick.
I think I have close to 700.00 into my MKIII incuding the purchase price of the pistol.

LT1_MASTER
06-05-2010, 14:49
You know, Ruger has a pretty good rep for fixing things that aren't right. I'd give em a call, as spend a couple of bucks to send it to them.

My one and only problem with a Ruger was a well used Mark I Target that suddenly decided to go full auto one day. Packed it up, sent it to them, they fixed it and sent it back for free. That's why I bought more Rugers. I kinda like dealing with a company that stands behind their product.

You know, I have heard that they have good CS. I would send it to them but at this point it seems just as easy (and cheaper if it fixes the problem) to try the VQ Exact Edge first and see if that solves it without having to send the whole rifle or parts of the rifle anywhere.

By the way folks, my VQEE extractor is in the mail, will keep you updated.

Now, im off to find a thread on how to remove and replace the extractor.

Allen

LT1_MASTER
06-05-2010, 14:57
Found out how, exactly what I figured but I wanted to make sure. What kind of tools do you fellas use for the job?

Twisted Steel
06-05-2010, 15:25
If you are going to be screwing with a 10/22, you might as well get one of the gunsmiths tool kits. They are not expensive and very handy to have.

Glock 17L
06-05-2010, 20:52
Found out how, exactly what I figured but I wanted to make sure. What kind of tools do you fellas use for the job?

Here's a post I replied to @ Rimfire Central, I'm Beretta92 over there..
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.Beretta92/=Extractor (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336639&highlight=Extractor)
I took a couple of pics showing how I did it..
You can also try a dental pick in a freezer bag but thesmall drill bit or paper clip works realy good, THis was on my MKII but t he 10/22 uses the same extractor & is maybe even easier to replace , Very Similar..
Good Luck!!

LT1_MASTER
06-05-2010, 23:22
Here's a post I replied to @ Rimfire Central, I'm Beretta92 over there..
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.Beretta92/=Extractor (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336639&highlight=Extractor)
I took a couple of pics showing how I did it..
You can also try a dental pick in a freezer bag but thesmall drill bit or paper clip works realy good, THis was on my MKII but t he 10/22 uses the same extractor & is maybe even easier to replace , Very Similar..
Good Luck!!


Thanks for the link and good writeup! :wavey:

gunsmoke92
06-07-2010, 18:59
+1 on RFC. Here's a suggestion that will cost you nothing. Remove the barrel and action from the stock, loosen the screws on the barrel V block, twist the barrel back and forth a little while looking at the extractor. The object is to center the extractor in the notch on the barrel, once done, tighten the screws up tight and re-install the whole thing back in the stock. I've seen an extractor being slightly off center causing problems.
Good Luck

Glock 17L
06-07-2010, 23:22
Also look to Bullseye'sGuntalkOnline.Com (http://www.guntalk-online.com/forum/index.php?sid=078e043a48050a272267ee14711596c0)
Rimfire Central is a great forum too..

Also I still stand bye the Volquartzen Extractor Swap!!
Let us know too..
Gary/Hk

LT1_MASTER
06-09-2010, 10:53
Hi folks,

I recieved my VQ exact edge extractor monday, and finally got around to putting it in today. I am happy, no, THRILLED to report that I just put 8 butler creek 25 rounders (200 rounds) through the rifle without a single issue. Slowfire, rapid fire, doesn't matter. All of the brass now goes in the same pile, about the 2 o'clock position from where I'm shooting.

Thank all of you for the advice, and I am happy to report that I am a believer in the VQEE!! Comparing the two extractors, it is apparent to me that the factory one is funky, on the part of the extractor which physically engages the rim of the casing, it's curved, it is difficult to explain so I will follow up with pictures.

But thank you for the tips, th e VQEE works awesome. Fixed my problem 100% so far, will really put some rounds through it soon and let you guys know how it fairs then.

Allen

Another Miller
06-13-2010, 21:12
My new one did the same thing. It was an easy fix, I just unscrewed the barrel clamps and realigned the extractor slot in the barrel with the bolt, put back and tightened clamping screws.Problem solved.


One would think Ruger would have a decent stock extractor in there by now,Ive heard of a few of the newer ones doing this in researching the issue mine had.. Im glad yours works now.

Glock 17L
06-13-2010, 21:38
Great to Hear!!
As I said before I've seen one go from Jam-O-Matic to sweet shooter with only a new Volquartzen Extractor..
I have one in both my Rugers MKII & 10/22 & everyone I will ever own..
Congrats!!
Gary/Hk

3rdgen40
06-15-2010, 03:12
Glad you got it running LT1.I just ordered a VQ extractor (among other parts) for my 10/22.It has been doing about the same thing yours' was.Hope this fixes mine too.

LT1_MASTER
06-15-2010, 14:04
I promised pics so here they are, I know they're not the best, they were taken with my Blackberry and it has a decent camera but is still a cell phone.

As you can see here, the factory extractor is curved along the bottom on the edge which pulls on the casing, I'm not sure if this is intentional or if it slipped past the (non-existant) Ruger QC.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00100-20100614-1938.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00101-20100614-1938.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00102-20100614-1938.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00103-20100614-1938.jpg

Now here are pics of the VQEE extractor in place in my bolt. It is a little bit harder to illustrate when its on the bolt, but I didnt want to take it out. As you can see the edge which is curved on the factory extractor is an EXACT EDGE on the VQ extractor (coincidence? I think not!)

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00114-20100614-1941.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/greg5857/IMG00116-20100614-1942.jpg



ETA: I dont know why it looks like my bolt is rusty and pitted in the picture, just the way the pictures turned out it's not rusty

LT1_MASTER
06-15-2010, 14:36
Great to Hear!!
As I said before I've seen one go from Jam-O-Matic to sweet shooter with only a new Volquartzen Extractor..
I have one in both my Rugers MKII & 10/22 & everyone I will ever own..
Congrats!!
Gary/Hk

I'm a believer!!!

Jason D
06-15-2010, 16:42
The VQ extractor is like day and night compared to Ruger.