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rome2240sw
06-22-2010, 22:22
My local law enforcement loads up with speer gold dots and the Hornady tap. I was wondering what the overall best load? its so hard to compare the Hornady Tap to the Federal HSTs or the Gold Dots because you barely can find the Tap in 180gr. Atleast i never seen it in a gun store. A friend of mine was trying to convince me to go from 180gr to a lighter load for accuracy as well as penetration reasons. So whats the best thing to shoot out of the G22? right now im Running Federal HSTs 180gr XM40HC that i bought from Palmetto State Armory. I can honestly say they have nothing on the Gold Dots exept price. I mean who can beat 50 rounds of qualilty JHPs for 24.95?

ZRT650
06-22-2010, 22:48
Your good to go.

rome2240sw
06-22-2010, 22:54
Thats what i thought. I wanted to try out the Hornady to see how it functions but i for the price of what i paid for my Federal HSTs i could only fill 1 mag and have 5 extra for who knows what reasons. Shoot them i guess. Im a budget shooter but i like whats best for my gun. Glad i moved away from WWB JHPs.

remat
06-23-2010, 00:32
I am a huge fan of the TAP in 180gr. Around here 180gr is all I see. I am also a fan of Gold Dot 180gr when I can find them in the 50rd boxes. I find the TAP to be slightly more accurate in my hands. This is from a 23 and 27.

boomhower
06-23-2010, 07:05
Thats what i thought. I wanted to try out the Hornady to see how it functions but i for the price of what i paid for my Federal HSTs i could only fill 1 mag and have 5 extra for who knows what reasons. Shoot them i guess. Im a budget shooter but i like whats best for my gun. Glad i moved away from WWB JHPs.

Your seriously using HST's for range duty? That is just wasting money. There is nothing wrong with using WWB for the range. Personally I use Federal as it's a couple bucks a box cheaper at Wally World. The HST's are not "better" for your gun, they are just costing you more money to make holes in paper. For making holes in humans they are a wise choice. Any of the listed rounds would be a fine choice. I personally use Gold Dots but that is only because that is what I use at work and like consistency. If I wasn't going for that reason I would probably use HST. From what I have seen they do better in heavy clothing situations but GD are superior penetrating heavier barriers such as windshields.

LEAD
06-23-2010, 07:37
My local law enforcement loads up with speer gold dots and the Hornady tap. I was wondering what the overall best load? its so hard to compare the Hornady Tap to the Federal HSTs or the Gold Dots because you barely can find the Tap in 180gr. Atleast i never seen it in a gun store. A friend of mine was trying to convince me to go from 180gr to a lighter load for accuracy as well as penetration reasons. So whats the best thing to shoot out of the G22? right now im Running Federal HSTs 180gr XM40HC that i bought from Palmetto State Armory. I can honestly say they have nothing on the Gold Dots exept price. I mean who can beat 50 rounds of qualilty JHPs for 24.95?


Heavier bullets tend to penetrate better, the TC will typically be improved when changing to a lighter load. I personally prefer 165gr in most 40, lighter when using all copper projectiles like the Barnes 40 bullets. Shoot some groups using the rounds in question and see which your gun shoots more accurately. TAP has a great record for accuracy as do the others.

cowboy1964
06-23-2010, 10:01
Yeah heavier will penetrate more than lighter. As far as accuracy goes I'm not sure where that came from either unless it's strictly a matter of faster=flatter shooting, which really makes no difference at all at SD ranges.

rome2240sw
06-23-2010, 23:38
Your seriously using HST's for range duty? That is just wasting money. There is nothing wrong with using WWB for the range. Personally I use Federal as it's a couple bucks a box cheaper at Wally World. The HST's are not "better" for your gun, they are just costing you more money to make holes in paper. For making holes in humans they are a wise choice. Any of the listed rounds would be a fine choice. I personally use Gold Dots but that is only because that is what I use at work and like consistency. If I wasn't going for that reason I would probably use HST. From what I have seen they do better in heavy clothing situations but GD are superior penetrating heavier barriers such as windshields.

What are you talking aobut? i dont use HSTs for the range. Thats dumb. Rather buy Federal FMJs from walmart for $14 for 50. We are talking about SD ammo here. I was just saying i bought Federal HSTs over the Hornady tap for the simple fact that you get more for just a few dollars more. I rarely go to the range.

rome2240sw
06-23-2010, 23:43
Heavier bullets tend to penetrate better, the TC will typically be improved when changing to a lighter load. I personally prefer 165gr in most 40, lighter when using all copper projectiles like the Barnes 40 bullets. Shoot some groups using the rounds in question and see which your gun shoots more accurately. TAP has a great record for accuracy as do the others.

lighter vs heavier loads will always be a factor when buying .40 s&w ammo. I prefer heavier ammo since the recoil is slightly lighter than that of the lighter loads. But i have been thinking of trying something in 165gr. Only light Federal rounds i can find in stores is the 50 box of 135gr HSTs which are very light loads. I want to get some Speer Gold dots in 165gr but they only come in the 20 round boxes.

rome2240sw
06-23-2010, 23:47
Yeah heavier will penetrate more than lighter. As far as accuracy goes I'm not sure where that came from either unless it's strictly a matter of faster=flatter shooting, which really makes no difference at all at SD ranges.

And i already know that the heavier loads penetrate deeper but i was looking for something that wouldnt penetrate too deep. Not looking for a pass through if I actually find myself involved in a self defense situation. My only problem for using 180gr for so long is that i prefer the feel of the recoil from a 180gr load over the felt recoil from a 155-165gr load

RFPhoto
06-24-2010, 00:07
How many times have you ever used your pistol in a defensive situation? Honestly, I would worry more about training then what ammo you "may" shoot the BG with.

boomhower
06-24-2010, 06:12
What are you talking aobut? i dont use HSTs for the range. Thats dumb. Rather buy Federal FMJs from walmart for $14 for 50. We are talking about SD ammo here. I was just saying i bought Federal HSTs over the Hornady tap for the simple fact that you get more for just a few dollars more. I rarely go to the range.


That makes a lot more sense. Just the way you wrote it I took it as you were using them on the range. Long night I guess.

Mwinter
06-24-2010, 09:07
The obvious caveat is that your mental preparation, tactics training and platform are more important than the brand/weight of ammo you select

That said,

www.hornady.com

www.le.atk.com

Both sites have gobs of test info on the rounds you mentioned. The most important question is what do you want/need the bullet to do? All in 3 in my experience meet most accuracy requirements, so forget that. In a very general sense, the XTPs are more prone to expand modestly, penetrate deeply, and shed their jacket than either the Gold Dot or HST. The Gold Dot and HST are more modern bullets and perform better in the FBI test events than the XTPs tend to.

In my experience, Hornady makes slightly more consistent ammunition than Speer or Federal, but the difference is negligible.

So......what do want/need the bullet to do? Distance, anticpated barriers? Home defense, CCW, security, LE?

Assuming that all 3 function 100% in your specific gun, then they all meet basic requirements for most pistol usage.

rome2240sw
06-24-2010, 12:34
How many times have you ever used your pistol in a defensive situation? Honestly, I would worry more about training then what ammo you "may" shoot the BG with.

Before I bought a glock i had a ruger p95 that i used for HD and SD. I had an intruder run inside my house and i had drawn down on him.. Luckily no shots were fired and Richland County PD did their job.

I was only worried about collateral damage and another factor i was looking for info on is which rounds where made to have less recoil no matter the weight.

rome2240sw
06-24-2010, 12:38
The obvious caveat is that your mental preparation, tactics training and platform are more important than the brand/weight of ammo you select

That said,

www.hornady.com (http://www.hornady.com)

www.le.atk.com (http://www.le.atk.com)

Both sites have gobs of test info on the rounds you mentioned. The most important question is what do you want/need the bullet to do? All in 3 in my experience meet most accuracy requirements, so forget that. In a very general sense, the XTPs are more prone to expand modestly, penetrate deeply, and shed their jacket than either the Gold Dot or HST. The Gold Dot and HST are more modern bullets and perform better in the FBI test events than the XTPs tend to.

In my experience, Hornady makes slightly more consistent ammunition than Speer or Federal, but the difference is negligible.

So......what do want/need the bullet to do? Distance, anticpated barriers? Home defense, CCW, security, LE?

Assuming that all 3 function 100% in your specific gun, then they all meet basic requirements for most pistol usage.

Trust me my friend i train alot. I practice safe gun handling, practice shot placement without aiming, shot placement while aiming, i practice my draw and I also do my homework and check out local and state laws regularly since laws are forever changing. My only point is what more can i get out of a round thats costs more other than the cheaper stuff. I have heard great things about hornady, Im just so use to buying speer gold dots and Federal ammunition

rome2240sw
06-24-2010, 12:43
In all, im just looking for a round i can count my life on. As of now, im really digging the federal HSTs since the perform alright in my G22. Had a failure to feed a time or two but maybe due to me riding the slide. I just wanted to try a few lighter loads to see how it performs in my gun as well as how it performs through glass, aluminum/light metals and water jusgs.. A couple of days a guy got mowed down with and AK47 less than 10 miles from where i stay. I have a reliable gun, I just want to add reliable ammuniton to my SD HD package.

rfd339
06-24-2010, 16:15
I just ordered some 165gr Hornady Critical Defense Ammo this week . I like what I see in it .

http://www.hornady.com/store/Critical-Defense-newammo

IndyGunFreak
06-24-2010, 16:18
My local law enforcement loads up with speer gold dots and the Hornady tap. I was wondering what the overall best load? its so hard to compare the Hornady Tap to the Federal HSTs or the Gold Dots because you barely can find the Tap in 180gr. Atleast i never seen it in a gun store. A friend of mine was trying to convince me to go from 180gr to a lighter load for accuracy as well as penetration reasons. So whats the best thing to shoot out of the G22? right now im Running Federal HSTs 180gr XM40HC that i bought from Palmetto State Armory. I can honestly say they have nothing on the Gold Dots exept price. I mean who can beat 50 rounds of qualilty JHPs for 24.95?


All those are fine rounds.. nothing to get worked into a tissy about. Don't worry about what your friend, or anyone here says... Get a round that YOU are accurate with and PRACTICE. Placement/Reliability trumps a cool box when you're choosing self defense ammo.

IGF

rome2240sw
06-26-2010, 09:33
I am honestly more accurate with the 165gr loads for no real reason i guess. I was merely wondering would a 165gr Hornady TAP FPD or 165gr Hornady Critical Defense load do just as well a job as a 180gr HST?

IndyGunFreak
06-26-2010, 10:43
I am honestly more accurate with the 165gr loads for no real reason i guess. I was merely wondering would a 165gr Hornady TAP FPD or 165gr Hornady Critical Defense load do just as well a job as a 180gr HST?

If you miss w/ a 180gr HST, but get a critical hit w/ the 165gr CD.. which is better?

Don't worry about the minor differences in bullets, etc.. You can ask this question 10 times, and get 15 different answers. Get a round you are accurate with, and a round that is reliable in your gun. Then PRACTICE!

Unless you're concerned about having to possibly shoot through auto glass, or need barrier penetration, etc... I don't see a problem w/ the Hornady(or the HST). Neither of those rounds are bonded, so barrier penetration may not be optimum.

Personally, I prefer bonded rounds because I value penetration, but that is strictly opinion and you can find plenty of fussing and cussing here on GT about what type of ammo to carry(look in caliber corner)

gatorboy
06-26-2010, 13:12
Anything but Wolf. I'd choose the GD or HST over the Tap for carry.

glock2740
06-26-2010, 15:30
155gr Gold Dot.

DRT
06-26-2010, 15:32
180gr HST and don't look back....

ajgranda
06-26-2010, 15:33
Anything but Wolf. I'd choose the GD or HST over the Tap for carry.

Same here!

Eagle22
06-26-2010, 16:36
right now im Running Federal HSTs 180gr XM40HC that i bought from Palmetto State Armory. I can honestly say they have nothing on the Gold Dots exept price. I mean who can beat 50 rounds of qualilty JHPs for 24.95?



I shoot Federal HSTs 180gr and Gold DOT 180gr out of my G22 and G27.

I think they shoot the same.

squirrelsniper
06-26-2010, 23:35
It depends on what you want really. In general, assuming all bullets are of the same weight...

HSTs offer dramatic expansion, penetrate soft targets well and considering that they're not bonded, they also do very well in penetrating intermediate barriers such as sheet metal and safety glass.

Gold Dots offer good expansion, deep penetration of soft targets and are one of the best (possibly THE best) bullets out there for penetrating things such as sheet metal and safety glass and holding together well enough to continue in a relatively straight path and still be capable of reasonable penetration of a soft target.

TAP offers reaonable expansion, great penetration of soft targets but often performs poorly through sheet metal and safety glass.

Personally, I would only use the HSTs or Gold Dots for "serious" work. Then you need to decide how important intermediate barrier penetration is to you, as that's the main difference between the two, and even that isn't a huge difference.

rome2240sw
06-27-2010, 14:50
I thank all you guys for your helpfull info and insights on the subject. After reading post and looking back at my results i believe that the Federal HSTs will be just what i will stick with. Already have my arm and mags loaded with them as of last month. I can say tho, i prefer Hornady ammunition for hunting purposes because it has yet to fail me. Maybe next time i go to a gun show or find them on sale again i will pick up me some more Speer Gold dots. Great shooting ammo plus my local LE agency trustes their lives and the lives of its citizens on the 165 and 180 grain speer gold dots.

Mwinter
06-28-2010, 09:46
Rome,
Since you mentioned low recoil and a preference for 165gr, look around for the Federal Bonded Tactical 165gr JHP. It's what I issue to my guys here at work. It is the softest-shooting duty load I've ever used in .40SW, very accurate, a relatively deep penetrator (16" in heavy clothed gel) and does well on all the FBI barrier events.

It tends to be pricey and tough to find; I usually wind up with 2-4 month backorders on the .40SW and 6-10mos on the rifle version. Commercial purchases will probably be more expensive but easier to find in small quantities.

Chonny
06-28-2010, 14:12
Cor Bon self defense JHP.