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freedom790
06-24-2010, 09:11
I was browsing around the internet not too long ago and saw the Fusion Firearms website. Their 1911s look impressive, I must say. Was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Fusion 1911s.


**edit: I did search GT for some reviews and it turned up nothing, but a google search just brought up a GT thread. I'm still all ears though.

Quack
06-24-2010, 09:15
Waiting for Hail Caesar to chime in.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 09:25
Its in my avatar.

They're decent 1911s for the most part. I don't think they're anything spectacular, but good nonetheless.

The best part is that Bob will build you whatever you want. From a quality standpoint, there are better values for the prices they're going for these days.

VietVet1968
06-24-2010, 09:43
I have a 1911 Commander, Bobtailed, SS in .45 on order from him. Bob Serva used to be the head honcho at Dan Wesson until he struck out on his own with FF.
Bob is a gentleman and a patriot. His work is unexcelled by any others in my opinion. If you order a gun from him don't expect to get an accurate delivery time however. As he said to me, "She's done when she's done and not before." he doesn't compromise the quality of his work to meet a delivery schedule.
You cannot go wrong with Fusion Firearms.

freedom790
06-24-2010, 09:51
I've spoken with him through email and he quoted me for a 5" model. I was impressed with the pictures he sent me of an example of what mine would be like. I just didn't want to rush into something without exploring from every angle.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 21:13
I've spoken with him through email and he quoted me for a 5" model. I was impressed with the pictures he sent me of an example of what mine would be like. I just didn't want to rush into something without exploring from every angle.

I started a thread about Fusion last year, if you're interested.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067505

It ended up getting locked, but we had some lively conversation before that.

glock2740
06-24-2010, 21:23
I like Fusion alot.

HAIL CAESAR
06-28-2010, 19:18
Waiting for Hail Caesar to chime in.

I'm on vacation at the moment and don't want to spend a bunch of time on the box...

But my first Fusion took twice as long as promised and was a piece of trash. A new one was finally promised me and that one is not here yet. It was promised to be done by the end of February, but still not here.

I WILL be doing a big review of the new gun with enough pictures to choke a horse.... if the gun gets here before the end of times.

Hokie1911
06-28-2010, 19:25
I started a thread about Fusion last year, if you're interested.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067505

It ended up getting locked, but we had some lively conversation before that.

That was one of the better reads on here. :rofl:

Hokie1911
06-28-2010, 19:30
Waiting for Hail Caesar to chime in.

Yeah I was like 3,2,1...

bac1023
06-28-2010, 20:19
That was one of the better reads on here. :rofl:

:rofl:

Yeah, it was a classic thread. :cool:

Substance-P
06-28-2010, 20:25
I'm on vacation at the moment and don't want to spend a bunch of time on the box...

But my first Fusion took twice as long as promised and was a piece of trash. A new one was finally promised me and that one is not here yet. It was promised to be done by the end of February, but still not here.

I WILL be doing a big review of the new gun with enough pictures to choke a horse.... if the gun gets here before the end of times.

I had a similar experience to Hail Cesar's. Thankfully, mine was a lot less costly though. I sent a gun from a semi-custom shop to Fusion for a refinish (because I had heard good things about Yukon Coat). My gun arrived back much later than promised. The finish was terrible (had some drips in where it dried). But that saddest thing was the front sight I asked for them to replace. The tritium was dim, so I asked for a new sight to be put in.

The sight that Fusion put in was staked like Helen Keller put it in after she had a few drinks. Instead of using a properly sized replacement sight, they drilled a second hole that made a figure eight with two overlapping holes! They then put a pin in at nearly a 45 degree angle. Furthermore, the sight was so high, you could place a playing card easily underneath it. It was a JOKE.

When I called to complain, they offered to refinish it again for free; however, they said the sight was fine since it was staked and insinuated that guns were made for shooting, not for looking at. I didn't want to go through another wait and to pay for shipping again (and Yukon coat looked like wet sand-not my cup of tea) So I paid the original company that built the gun to fix Fusion's mess.

Here are some pics after I got the gun back from Fusion and before I paid 450 to have it refinished correctly and to have a new sight put back in.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q147/substance-p/NHRefinish031.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q147/substance-p/NHRefinish032.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q147/substance-p/FrontSight2.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
06-28-2010, 21:14
SubstanceP,

I have to agree with Fusion in your case.

There guns aren't worth looking at because they are for shooting...so that gives them the excuse when they have terrible workmanship and shoddy parts.

But then again Fusion's don't work to good either.:whistling:

BOGE
06-28-2010, 21:36
...The sight that Fusion put in was staked like Helen Keller put it in after she had a few drinks...

:rofl: :animlol:

BlayGlock
06-29-2010, 22:30
FWIW. I ordered a some of his parts a while ago that have yet to come in. Ive tried contacting several times to no avail. It is getting somewhat frustrating. It seems that they are very busy atm.

MD357
06-29-2010, 23:28
After what HC has posted and shown me and an example I saw locally, there are MUCH better choices in that price range IMO. <---- I'm being as PC as I can here because I don't want someone with wet diapers calling me a troll.

Ruggles
06-30-2010, 16:59
I have never seen or shot a Fusion, that won't change anytime soon after hearing how they build for and then treat some of their customers.

Mine might not be a the "fair" strategy to judge a 1911 company but why risk it when you can go with a Wilson or Nighthawk who are known for exceptional guns and you know what can of service you will get it you do have a problem.

Baer and Brown might not known be known for their exceptional customer service but at least they are known for exceptional 1911s.

Fusion does not seem to be known for either consistent quality or Customer Service.

HAIL CAESAR
06-30-2010, 22:29
I have never seen or shot a Fusion.

Your not missing much.

knedrgr
07-01-2010, 14:26
was considering ordering a kit from FF. Now, hearing these stories, I'm glad I didn't give them the business.

Quack
07-01-2010, 14:32
was considering ordering a kit from FF. Now, hearing these stories, I'm glad I didn't give them the business.

look at the Wilson kit's

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Frames-Slides/products/53/

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 14:30
I love the Fusion 1911's. I have 1 now and have another on order. the fit/finish is flawless and it shoots every bit as nice.

I am no fanboy but i think Fusion's are top shelf. I worked at a high selling shop for years and have owned many many 1911's myself. my current 1911's consist of a Nighthawk T3, Wilson CQB, Dan Wesson Cbob, Dan wesson Herritage, Dan wesson PM-7, Springfield TRP, 2 Springfield loaded's, a clackamas kimber, kimber SIS, STI Trojan 6.0 and an STI Perfect 10.

I love my 1911's and I put my Fusion's fit/finish/quality past most i own and up there with my Wilson and Nighthawk. It say its nicer overall than my STI's although my STI's i think shoot better and i like my fusion more than my Dan Wessons.

This is my .02c Sure, they have had issues... they ALL have. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. I had a nighthawk that was a total POS and the finish was worse than a $300 Taurus!... I have had my Dan Wesson's just LOCK UP out of nowhere too...

What i love about the Fusion's is that you can really customize the order and get what you really want.

http://i46.tinypic.com/1vt1.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
07-02-2010, 14:42
And hopefully you will get what you ordered from Fusion. I, like several others, had build sheets documented and Fusion decided to just build it "their way" instead. Many others got guns that had MANY issues, some were gross cosmetic and terrible fitment and some guns would not even work. Many issues of short chambering, feed ramp geometry, and GS just mashed in.

Low and behold it is never Fusion's fault.....it is always somebody else's.

Of the Fusion's I have personally seen, non compared to Brown, Baer, Wilson, or especially NH. With the latter mentioned being extremely better.
And mine was more in tune with a RIA that went terribly wrong.

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 14:56
And hopefully you will get what you ordered from Fusion. I, like several others, had build sheets documented and Fusion decided to just build it "their way" instead. Many others got guns that had MANY issues, some were gross cosmetic and terrible fitment and some guns would not even work. Many issues of short chambering, feed ramp geometry, and GS just mashed in.

Low and behold it is never Fusion's fault.....it is always somebody else's.

Of the Fusion's I have personally seen, non compared to Brown, Baer, Wilson, or especially NH. With the latter mentioned being extremely better.
And mine was more in tune with a RIA that went terribly wrong.

I love how you are on a crusade to turn anyone and everyone away from fusion. hahahaha... its sad really.

I have seen and experienced the SAME problem with Dan Wesson's and you just sing their praises. Gotta love it :rofl:

CMG
07-02-2010, 15:16
Saw the same issues with Dan Wesson when the same guy at the head of Fusion was at the head of DW. Coincidence? Heard the same excuses for problems too. Another coincidence?

Like others have posted, at that price point, there are far better choices, with far better folks standing behind them, IMO, of course.

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 15:40
Saw the same issues with Dan Wesson when the same guy at the head of Fusion was at the head of DW. Coincidence? Heard the same excuses for problems too. Another coincidence?

Like others have posted, at that price point, there are far better choices, with far better folks standing behind them, IMO, of course.

Are you serious? :upeyes:

Dan Wesson's are STILL failing all the time and the owners just brush it off as "oh well".

"the sight fell off of my $1400 Valor!"
DW answer-"its cool, just put some loctite on it"

WHY did they not do that when they built it? WHY is the hole for the roll pin too big?

and this is only an example. there are far bigger issues going on that people are just brushing off... like the slides locking up and being told to take a rubber mallet to the back of the slide and then put lapping compound on the slide/rail's and rack it 500 times :upeyes:

great quality there :steamed:

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 15:55
They put the WRONG grips on the gun when it left the factory
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=269271

Slide locked up
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=267960&highlight=locked

Malfunctions and slide is locked up. Answer? You can't use XXXX oil, it only works with FP-10
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=256283&highlight=locked

Another locked up CBOB. Id hate to have my gun lock up when im trusting my life with it
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=257949&highlight=locked

Locked up Herritage
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=249063&highlight=locked

Locked up CBOB on his wife
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=249300&highlight=locked

and that is only 3-5 minutes of searching and linking to 1 site. People are bashing Fusion here so i want to level the playing field here showing that Dan Wesson's too fail.

CMG
07-02-2010, 19:29
So your point is they learned well from Bob the Used Car Salesman, and continued in the same vein after he left?

And now, he's singing the same songs at Fusion?

If those are your points, I agree with you!

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 19:50
So your point is they learned well from Bob the Used Car Salesman, and continued in the same vein after he left?

And now, he's singing the same songs at Fusion?

If those are your points, I agree with you!

yeah, bob is the man behind the iron mask. You caught him. Its all a conspiracy.

the point i am making is that every brand has issues. Not even the beloved Dan Wesson :upeyes: is perfect.

its sad that some people can't get over it and feel they need to troll every damn thread about X brand. The hate people carry towards certain brands is just amazing and usually uncalled for.

Man up, get over it and move on.

bac1023
07-02-2010, 20:01
yeah, bob is the man behind the iron mask. You caught him. Its all a conspiracy.

the point i am making is that every brand has issues. Not even the beloved Dan Wesson :upeyes: is perfect.

its sad that some people can't get over it and feel they need to troll every damn thread about X brand. The hate people carry towards certain brands is just amazing and usually uncalled for.

Man up, get over it and move on.

I personally have had no issues with my Fusion, but several here have. It would seem that the quality control there leaves a great deal to be desired. If Bob Serva is putting some poor guns on the market, he should be called out. For the price of a Fusion, its unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

From what I'm hearing, they're behind Dan Wesson these days from a quality standpoint.

Again, I have an early Fusion Commander Elite that's been great, but one gun obviously doesn't tell the whole story.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2480.jpg

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 20:24
I personally have had no issues with my Fusion, but several here have. It would seem that the quality control there leaves a great deal to be desired. If Bob Serva is putting some poor guns on the market, he should be called out. For the price of a Fusion, its unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

From what I'm hearing, they're behind Dan Wesson these days from a quality standpoint.

Again, I have an early Fusion Commander Elite that's been great, but one gun obviously doesn't tell the whole story.




I agree with you. If my gun was jacked up i would bring it up. But i think i am a very rational person and understand that stuff happens. Its how they handle it that matters.

Hell, look at Toyota!... The largest car manufacturer makes mistakes, and their still great cars.

I just think the personal grudge some people hold is ridiculous.

My old Nighthawk Custom's finish was SO bad that it literally flaked off every time i touched it. It happens.

Texas Bulldog
07-02-2010, 20:24
Beautiful Fusion BTW!

bac1023
07-02-2010, 20:28
I agree with you. If my gun was jacked up i would bring it up. But i think i am a very rational person and understand that stuff happens. Its how they handle it that matters.

Hell, look at Toyota!... The largest car manufacturer makes mistakes, and their still great cars.

I just think the personal grudge some people hold is ridiculous.

My old Nighthawk Custom's finish was SO bad that it literally flaked off every time i touched it. It happens.

I agree that some grudges are ridiculous, sort of like mine with Taurus. However, I honestly don't see too much Fusion hate here. Maybe its because not a whole lot of people own them compared to many other companies, but it isn't bad.

If your Nighthawk was finished with Perma Kote, it doesn't surprise me. I think that's one of the worst finishes on the market.

HAIL CAESAR
07-02-2010, 21:05
I can understand things going wrong, but with the quantity of issues on the gun I had were too numerous to understand.

Plus being told months ago that my gun was held up at IonBond....and then told acouple of weeks ago that it is just getting finished up to go to IonBond.....

And Bulldog has brought up reviews I have done on another board to the discussion on this board. That is why he is bringing up DW like it was even a part of the discussion in this thread. DW was first mentioned by him.
If anyone is interested I do like the new DW, but I am not a crazed fan. I would say negative things about them when I find issues. I am also a admirer of LB, but a will also say they have issues with the Commanche and Stinger guns.

DW has had issues of locking up SS guns for years, because they make them soooo tight to satisfy the nitwit know-nothings out there that just pick up a 1911 and all they know how to do is feel how tight the slide to frame fitment is. Which is about the least important thing to look for, but the uneducated buyers demand it. They even think anything with any play is a hunk of "junk".

DW front sight fitment has been erratic also over the years. Some are tight, some are loose and need the roll pin to hold them in. This causes problems with buyers that have no idea about ..... well..., machines, guns, maintenance..or a lot of things. A front sight that needs the roll pin Locktited in is no issue for me because I Locktite all my guns sights ( whether they are loose fit or so insanely tight you are breaking pushers and vials), and every screw, nut, or turny thingy on any of my working guns right out of the box. AR's and handgun sights need this attention.

The rear sight not being Locktited from the factory is something most of the high end makers do not do. DW, just like EB, got tired of nimwit buyers who wanted to adjust the rears for POA/POI stripping out the keys because they didn't heat the set screw to release the Locktite and blaming the factory. So the manufactures just ship them out with out being Locktited and let the buyer do it themselves. But this just causes a new issue with nimrods as they don't set the sights out of the box and LT them and when they fall off or move..they are crying again, just about something else.

Bac, I agree NH perma is almost as tough as Rustoleum.

98_1LE
07-02-2010, 22:35
I am incredibly satisfied with my Fusion longslide 9mm. It was a relatively early order/build, but has been a great gun. I sent it back for some additional light mods, twice actually (first time was lines in the front strap + Ion Bond which was N/A when it was built, second was to cut down the magwell to fit thin grips). Wait times weren't short, but not excessive IMO. 5k rounds down the pipe so far, and I plan to wear it out.

FWIW my Fusion is tighter and has far less tool marks than the Les Baer I sold. Let me see if I can find the pics of the inside of the slides side-by-side.

http://i44.tinypic.com/28s1s2w.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/ay534p.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 04:46
98 1LE,
I have been told and from what I have seen personal is that the first ones were good. It just seems to have went to heck in a hand basket with the guns made in 2009 and 2010.

And please post the pics and so will I. That will show the difference in a older vs. newer one.

98_1LE
07-03-2010, 07:22
http://i47.tinypic.com/muh7it.jpg

Is there anything specific you want to see? I found pics of it on my old laptop, and of course could take new ones.

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 15:32
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/Fusionchamber.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/38stamping.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/9mmbarrelstamping.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/Fusion9mmbarrelpit.jpg
On the above pic I don't know if you can see the pit mark on the barrel muzzle. I'll see if I can find a better pic.
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/Fusionbarrelscompare.jpg

Look at the barrel on the right to see the tool marks on the muzzle. (just left of top)

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/Fusionslideuneven.jpg

Here is a better pic of the barrel with the pit. Also notice how the "dehorning" comes together in the front in an uneven point on the front of the dust cover.

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 15:33
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/FusionDehornedrails.jpg

See how they carry beveled the back of the slide rails.:upeyes:


http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/STIEDgripsafety.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/Thumbsafetygap.jpg

Notice how nasty the rear looks on the two pics above that show the carry beveled slide rail.
Also take note of the way the grip safety is cocked-eyed and gaped. That is caused by the TS hole on the ejection side of the frame being cut egg shaped. The whole TS would and GS had a BUNCH of play. The TS actually wore a groove in the plunger tube because of the extreme play.

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 15:35
I'll have to dig up the pics of the sear.....you'all will enjoy that pic.

glock2740
07-03-2010, 15:53
After what HC has posted and shown me and an example I saw locally, there are MUCH better choices in that price range IMO. <---- I'm being as PC as I can here because I don't want someone with wet diapers calling me a troll.
Come on MD. You're a pretty sharp guy when it comes to 1911's, and I like to hear your perspective on these threads, but you do seem to have a tendancy to piss on other people's parades. Fusion makes a hell of a gun. And their prices aren't unrealistic at all. Lighten up Francis :supergrin:.

98_1LE
07-03-2010, 16:10
HC, I see your point. I too would not be happy.

I just looked it up, and my Fusion was delivered in December 2007. I think Bob was the only employee back then. Seems like possibly some of the new employee(s) cut their teeth on your gun so to speak.

I have never detail stripped the lower, but the trigger on my pistol is an amazing 2# 4oz, as requested (asked for 2-2.5#).

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 16:18
98,
I've said that the whole time. The first guns were good, which is what promoted me to buy one. Somewhere in early 2009, late 2008, the quality went down the dirt chute.

Bob even said on another forum that he hired a couple of new guys and he was teaching them about gunsmithing. Boy, you have to read the dust storm that statement kicked up. I don't know if it was just a wrong choice of words, or he hired some kids off the street that don't know a thing.

bac1023
07-03-2010, 16:33
Bac, I agree NH perma is almost as tough as Rustoleum.

:rofl::rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 16:37
:rofl::rofl:

I thought you'd like that.:rofl:



Oh, and about the above gun of mine; The hammer and GS are not the ones I ordered.

bac1023
07-03-2010, 16:52
Oh, and about the above gun of mine; The hammer and GS are not the ones I ordered.

Al, I guess I didn't look at your pics close enough the last time you posted them because I don't remember having as strong a reaction as I am right now.

Fusion butchered the hell out of that.

Mine does have some faint tool marks inside the slide, but the rest of the gun is pretty solid. Mine is an early model from a few years back.

I never thought Fusion was anything to write home about, but I only paid $1199 for mine brand new. They have gone up a bit since. I think they're now overpriced for the quality you get, especially if it looks like the one above. :shocked:

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 17:09
Bac,

I hope by now you realize I try to be reasonable with expectations for guns, as all they are to me are shooters. But this gun was a box of dam-it. A bit of internal tool marks are nothing to concern me about.

You have only seen a few of the pics as I need to go and get the wife's external storage devices and find the other ones.

Things I do know about guns;

Holes should not be egg shaped.
Sears should not look like a beaver gnawed on the edge.
Short chambered barrels should be reamed to caliber before they are shipped to the consumer. (It has made me wonder how they got that Zip Lock baggy of brass from a short chambered barrel.)
If the gun has machine marks, do not tell the buyer they were caused by the buyer dropping it on a concrete floor.:upeyes:
If buyer orders a 9mm 1911, make sure that the ramp ( in unramped barrels) is a 9mm contour and not just a 45 frame. And if the customer finds out about it not being 9mm geometry...don't lie and say it is 9mm...then later say it is OK to do it that way and it is within company standards.

Actually that gun was said to be within "Fusion standards of quality". :upeyes:

bac1023
07-03-2010, 17:13
Actually that gun was said to be within "Fusion standards of quality". :upeyes:

That is a disturbing statement. :upeyes:

"Wow" is all I can say.

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 17:21
That is a disturbing statement. :upeyes:

"Wow" is all I can say.

Wow, was the mildest thing I could have said.

To be fair to Fusion, after I posted pics on several boards an agreement was reached to build a new gun as the original was now unacceptable.:whistling:
It was absolutely guaranteed to be to me in February, and worst case scenario in early March.

I still do not have the replacement gun.

98_1LE
07-03-2010, 17:25
For the price difference, I think I will wait to find a Dan Wesson CCO rather than having one built.

Hokie1911
07-03-2010, 17:30
Wow, was the mildest thing I could have said.

To be fair to Fusion, after I posted pics on several boards an agreement was reached to build a new gun as the original was now unacceptable.:whistling:
It was absolutely guaranteed to be to me in February, and worst case scenario in early March.

I still do not have the replacement gun.

Dude, you just mistakenly assumed they meant 2010. They've got plenty of time to get it back to you. It's only July. :whistling:

bac1023
07-03-2010, 18:13
Dude, you just mistakenly assumed they meant 2010. They've got plenty of time to get it back to you. It's only July. :whistling:

:animlol:

Texas Bulldog
07-03-2010, 23:42
Just another pic of my FLAWLESS Fusion 1911. No tool marks, no egg shaped holes, no loose parts.

A perfect example of a high quality 1911 pistol

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ursacw.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 23:53
For the price difference, I think I will wait to find a Dan Wesson CCO rather than having one built.
Having had both, I would tend to agree.

Dude, you just mistakenly assumed they meant 2010. They've got plenty of time to get it back to you. It's only July. :whistling:
I never thought of it that way......So I guess I have another 7 months or 7 years and 7 months to go.:rofl:

Ruggles
07-03-2010, 23:55
It seems to me that there is a risk when buying a Fusion 1911 that you might receive one with some issues and if you do you might not get an acceptable solution from Fusion.

From my viewpoint there are other 1911 makers out there that the above statement is not true about so why risk it with Fusion......

I would also say that the Fusion boys and the Dan Wesson boys are a wee bit defensive about their brand. :)

For the record I would count me as a Brown / Wilson "boy". Seems to be some question about Brown's quality & customer service, I have not heard of any question about Wilson's quality or CS. I have purchased from both and intend to do so again in the future.

HAIL CAESAR
07-04-2010, 00:08
It seems to me that there is a risk when buying a Fusion 1911 that you might receive one with some issues and if you do you might not get an acceptable solution from Fusion.

From my viewpoint there are other 1911 makers out there that the above statement is not true about so why risk it with Fusion......

I would also say that the Fusion boys and the Dan Wesson boys are a wee bit defensive about their brand. :)

For the record I would count me as a Brown / Wilson "boy". Seems to be some question about Brown's quality & customer service, I have not heard of any question about Wilson's quality or CS. I have purchased from both and intend to do so again in the future.

I can agree with all stated.

If anything I like Government Baer's for the money and new DW pistols for their price (especially the CCO and VBOB).

But I will hold no unwavering allegiance to anyone!! If anyone starts screwing the pooch...then I won't recommend one or buy one.

I once had a Auto Ordinance that worked great, but I have seen and heard a gaggle of horror stories about them to be so naive to think they all are Jim Dandy.

Ruggles
07-04-2010, 00:15
I can agree with all stated.

If anything I like Government Baer's for the money and new DW pistols for their price (especially the CCO and VBOB).

But I will hold no unwavering allegiance to anyone!! If anyone starts screwing the pooch...then I won't recommend one or buy one.

I once had a Auto Ordinance that worked great, but I have seen and heard a gaggle of horror stories about them to be so naive to think they all are Jim Dandy.

Yeah I had A Para Ord that was a great 1911 as well. But I have heard enough horror stories........

glock2740
07-04-2010, 03:55
Just another pic of my FLAWLESS Fusion 1911. No tool marks, no egg shaped holes, no loose parts.

A perfect example of a high quality 1911 pistol

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ursacw.jpg
I like that gun, and I'm not a solid trigger, bi-tone or a rail fan. That's just a plain and simple, good looking gun. :thumbsup:

faawrenchbndr
07-25-2010, 18:17
Just another pic of my FLAWLESS Fusion 1911. No tool marks, no egg shaped holes, no loose parts.

A perfect example of a high quality 1911 pistol

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ursacw.jpg

Hmmmmmm, I don't care for it.
Would love to see detailed pics of the internals, frame and slide.:whistling:

HAIL CAESAR
07-25-2010, 18:25
Detailed pics of all sides. Close ups of all sides. Close ups of internals and barrel fit.

Mine looked dandy form 5 feet too. Well actually, you could see some defects on mine from 5 feet.

faawrenchbndr
07-25-2010, 18:29
If he's happy, It's either he got lucky or he's unaware of the flaws.

It may not be the best there is, but I'll stick with my Ed Brown.

Hokie1911
07-25-2010, 18:40
If he's happy, It's either he got lucky or he's unaware of the flaws.

It may not be the best there is, but I'll stick with my Ed Brown.

Yeah you definitely settled when you chose an Ed Brown. :shakehead:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
07-25-2010, 19:02
http://i46.tinypic.com/1vt1.jpg


That is a sweet looking 1911 :)

bac1023
07-25-2010, 20:52
Yeah you definitely settled when you chose an Ed Brown. :shakehead:

:rofl:

dodgefreak8
07-26-2010, 16:52
man this is sorry to say but I'm glad I bought a kimber. What a headache

Texas Bulldog
07-26-2010, 19:10
man this is sorry to say but I'm glad I bought a kimber. What a headache

LOL.. Just wait.

Kimber's aren't what they used to be :rofl:

bac1023
07-26-2010, 21:09
Kimber's aren't what they used to be :rofl:

They aren't the only ones. :whistling:

Hokie1911
07-26-2010, 21:14
If you put a Kimber SuperCarry Pro and a Fusion bobtail on a table in front of me and said pick one.....Mr Serva's pistol would still on the table when I left.

CMG
07-26-2010, 22:12
If you put a Kimber SuperCarry Pro and a Fusion bobtail on a table in front of me and said pick one.....Mr Serva's pistol would still on the table when I left.

+1

Although the Fusion would somehow now be covered in spit! :whistling:

dodgefreak8
07-28-2010, 16:36
LOL.. Just wait.

Kimber's aren't what they used to be :rofl:
I have 2 kimbers with over 3000 rounds each and not one problem!! They will both shoot ragged holes as well if I do my part. And half the cost of a fusion. I think I'll stick with kimber:supergrin:

A super carry pro will be my next kimber if the wife okay's it

john9
09-03-2010, 12:39
I'm on vacation at the moment and don't want to spend a bunch of time on the box...

But my first Fusion took twice as long as promised and was a piece of trash. A new one was finally promised me and that one is not here yet. It was promised to be done by the end of February, but still not here.

I WILL be doing a big review of the new gun with enough pictures to choke a horse.... if the gun gets here before the end of times.

Been away from the shooting world for a long time. Starting to enter it again and was just about a day or two from ordering a Fusion. Glad I read this thread and the other one about Hail Caesar's problems and a few others. Will stick with my original idea of ordering a Wilson.

MD357
09-03-2010, 12:43
Been away from the shooting world for a long time. Starting to enter it again and was just about a day or two from ordering a Fusion. Glad I read this thread and the other one about Hail Caesar's problems and a few others. Will stick with my original idea of ordering a Wilson.

Better company, MUCH better 1911. Fusion isn't even in the same ballpark.

Hokie1911
09-03-2010, 12:50
Better company, MUCH better 1911. Fusion isn't even in the same ballpark.

You get what you pay for my man.

http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/9/10/11/you-get-what-you-pay-for-23724-1252597374-10.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
09-03-2010, 12:56
Will stick with my original idea of ordering a Wilson.

Good idea. Fusion is not in the same league as WC.

IMO only, Fusion is in a class of their own. And it's not a class I want.

knedrgr
09-03-2010, 13:58
IMO only, Fusion is in a class of their own. And it's not a class I want.

Sounds like a class that takes the short-yellow-bus to school... :rofl:

bac1023
09-03-2010, 17:37
Better company, MUCH better 1911. Fusion isn't even in the same ballpark.

Very true.

There's certainly no comparison between Wilson and Fusion.

Sarge43
09-03-2010, 18:36
how convenient that someone has both my Wilson and my Fusion as we speak for a side by side tear down and shoot comparison. :whistling::supergrin:
Sarge

GVFlyer
09-03-2010, 18:52
Baer and Brown might not known be known for their exceptional customer service but at least they are known for exceptional 1911s.


My customer service with Baer has improved considerably since I developed a cordial relationship with Brenda. Ed Brown is still a jerk.

GVFlyer
09-03-2010, 19:47
I dunno. I was at a local gun shop when a state trooper picked up his .40 S&W custom Fusion. It was OK. The trooper had a previous Fusion that was junk and he unloaded it. It seems to me that buying a Fusion is a crap shoot.

It is also interesting to note that Dan Wesson 1911 quality improved after Bob Serva left.

bac1023
09-03-2010, 19:47
Ed Brown is still a jerk.

I never dealt with him, but I hear this all the time.

Not good.

Hokie1911
09-03-2010, 19:50
I never dealt with him, but I hear this all the time.

Not good.

The guy could be the biggest ********* in the northern hemisphere...but he turns out a hell of a nice pistola....which is all I care about. :thumbsup:

faawrenchbndr
09-03-2010, 19:53
I called and asked a few questions when I first got my KC.
I ended up talking to Ed,.......he seems fine to me. Guess I caught him on a good day.
Many people have stated he is a bit hard to deal with.

bac1023
09-03-2010, 19:54
The guy could be the biggest ********* in the northern hemisphere...but he turns out a hell of a nice pistola....which is all I care about. :thumbsup:

:rofl::rofl:

GVFlyer
09-03-2010, 20:05
The guy could be the biggest ********* in the northern hemisphere...but he turns out a hell of a nice pistola....which is all I care about. :thumbsup:

Yep, I bought a Brown Kobra Carry because I was a AH-1 Cobra pilot in the war, but any future 1911 will be purchased from Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom where they appreciate me as a customer.

I can't tell you how unpleasant it was dealing with Brown directly. I ultimately refused to buy from them and got my Brown from George at Gunslingers. George is a real gentleman, BTW.

Hokie1911
09-03-2010, 20:10
I ultimately refused to buy from them and got my Brown from George at Gunslingers. George is a real gentleman, BTW.

Same here...

Cant speak highly enough about George.

HAIL CAESAR
09-04-2010, 00:03
Very true.

There's certainly no comparison between Wilson and Fusion.

Except they are near the same price now.:rofl:

I did find out and damn near confirm who supplies Fusion with slides, frames, and barrels. It's Remsport.

Some can say that is a good thing and some can say it is a bad thing.

But I will say this, Remsport is CHEAP. Fitted slide and frame combo's that cost the consumer $300. If you are a builder it is substantially cheaper.
The Remsport barrels are 80 bucks.

So BS at Fusion is making a KILLING selling those guns.

proudpapa
09-04-2010, 01:20
It was my understanding they got at least some of their frames and slides from STI. As far as the barrels go, comparing a couple of their's to some Storm Lake barrels they look pretty similar. Maybe it's all changed, I don't know. I'm not familiar with Remsport at all. What is it that makes them so cheap? I couldn't find anything about them using google.

HAIL CAESAR
09-04-2010, 21:48
From what I have gathered, some are STI and some are Remsport.

bac1023
09-04-2010, 22:13
Except they are near the same price now.:rofl:



Yeah, that is ridiculous. :shocked:

CMG
09-05-2010, 06:14
how convenient that someone has both my Wilson and my Fusion as we speak for a side by side tear down and shoot comparison. :whistling::supergrin:
Sarge

I hope it's someone without a history of blindly supporting BS and all his excuses, 'cause there are a few of those types over at TOS.

Wade-19
09-05-2010, 06:28
I hope it's someone without a history of blindly supporting BS and all his excuses, 'cause there are a few of those types over at TOS.

Nope, not this guy. It will be a very fair review. He tells it like it is. No B.S. !!!!

Sarge43
09-05-2010, 13:04
Nope, not this guy. It will be a very fair review. He tells it like it is. No B.S. !!!!
Roger that! Exactly why I sent him four pistols to use as part of his write up. If I thought he was in any way going to be subjective and not OBjective, I wouldn't have bothered.
I talked to him yesterday and he's doing the tear down part of the review now, and will likely do the shooting tuesday and wednesday. I'll be sure to post a link when the write up itself is done.
Sarge

john9
09-06-2010, 12:29
how convenient that someone has both my Wilson and my Fusion as we speak for a side by side tear down and shoot comparison. :whistling::supergrin:
Sarge

Sarge
When will this report be ready.

Sarge43
09-06-2010, 12:40
Sarge
When will this report be ready.
I talked to him over the weekend and he was doing the breakdown portion in which he tears each of the 10 pistols down part by part and inspects things like part quality, fit, etc. He is hoping to be to the shooting portion this tuesday and wednesday. THEN he's got to get it all written up (with his level of detail, this is no small task and there are TEN pistols), so I would realistically expect it probably the beginning of next week or so, but bear in mind that's a guess on my part. I'll post a link up on this board when it's available as I'm sure it will be of interest to many.
Sarge

john9
09-06-2010, 13:08
I talked to him over the weekend and he was doing the breakdown portion in which he tears each of the 10 pistols down part by part and inspects things like part quality, fit, etc. He is hoping to be to the shooting portion this tuesday and wednesday. THEN he's got to get it all written up (with his level of detail, this is no small task and there are TEN pistols), so I would realistically expect it probably the beginning of next week or so, but bear in mind that's a guess on my part. I'll post a link up on this board when it's available as I'm sure it will be of interest to many.
Sarge

Thanks Sarge

thecableguy
09-06-2010, 14:30
The guy could be the biggest ********* in the northern hemisphere...but he turns out a hell of a nice pistola....which is all I care about. :thumbsup:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Blue Ridge Reef
11-05-2011, 16:02
I started a thread about Fusion last year, if you're interested.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067505

It ended up getting locked, but we had some lively conversation before that.

Sorry for the bump, but I'm shopping for a 1911, and *really* like the looks of Fusions. I am getting a message that I don't have permission to access this page. I'm assuming it's just an old, locked thread -but it could be helpful in me making a choice...
Call me picky, but the roll marks on many 1911's simply eliminate them for me! I thought about getting an STI Trojan and upgrading it, but I could never get over the child's drawing horsehead and logo I associate with condoms across my slide. From an aesthetic standpoint, some of those Fusion bobtails are just perfect... not to start the arguments again.

nolt
11-08-2011, 07:58
the valor will win.

Buckfever4life
11-08-2011, 08:50
Call Dustin Bonar at LST Technologies in Williamstown, WV. He can build you any 1911 that would meet or beat any other custom manufacturer and be a heck of a lot cheaper. (1-304-375-2224). Dustin in a 3rd Generation Master Pistolsmith in the Guild and is as down to earth as anyone gets. No job is too small or too big.

MD357
11-08-2011, 12:04
. From an aesthetic standpoint, some of those Fusion bobtails are just perfect... not to start the arguments again.

Honestly, if you are looking for what you think is perfection, look elsewhere and educate yourself a bit further.

jsykes
11-08-2011, 18:36
There is just no reason to take a chance on Fusion. While there are many that are happy with their guns, there are a lot of people that are not and some have gone through hell to end up with what they now own or have sold off. There are a lot of other good choices out there that have a lot better reputation.

While my Fusion was eventually made to work, and shoots great now, I simply do not use it. Its still not what I wanted or was hoping for and I remember what happened to just get it functioning (let alone what I wanted it to look like) and I'm just not happy with it. Some day it will either be sold and make someone very happy, or I'll have the money to send it to Wilson and have it made into what I wanted from the start.

Just look elsewhere to be safe.

Look at Dan Wesson. Some great guns and most (if not all) have naked slides as you want.

Feanor
11-08-2011, 19:27
I love how you are on a crusade to turn anyone and everyone away from fusion. hahahaha... its sad really.

I have seen and experienced the SAME problem with Dan Wesson's and you just sing their praises. Gotta love it :rofl:

I don't agree with HC on much, however in this instance he is dead to the bolts! Fusion puts out an inferior product at an exorbitant price, yet you got a superb representative? Well even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.

bac1023
11-08-2011, 20:06
Sorry for the bump, but I'm shopping for a 1911, and *really* like the looks of Fusions. I am getting a message that I don't have permission to access this page. I'm assuming it's just an old, locked thread -but it could be helpful in me making a choice...
Call me picky, but the roll marks on many 1911's simply eliminate them for me! I thought about getting an STI Trojan and upgrading it, but I could never get over the child's drawing horsehead and logo I associate with condoms across my slide. From an aesthetic standpoint, some of those Fusion bobtails are just perfect... not to start the arguments again.

Man, I hate to say it, but I don't even find them all that good looking compared to some others.

faawrenchbndr
11-09-2011, 02:21
Blue Ridge Reef http://glocktalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18127246#post18127246)
Sorry for the bump, but I'm shopping for a 1911, and *really* like the looks of Fusions. I am getting a message that I don't have permission to access this page. I'm assuming it's just an old, locked thread -but it could be helpful in me making a choice...
Call me picky, but the roll marks on many 1911's simply eliminate them for me! I thought about getting an STI Trojan and upgrading it, but I could never get over the child's drawing horsehead and logo I associate with condoms across my slide. From an aesthetic standpoint, some of those Fusion bobtails are just perfect... not to start the arguments again.



Smoke and mirrors,.......fitment of Fusions are garbage!
I'd buy a Hi Point before a Fusion!

bac1023
11-09-2011, 05:09
Smoke and mirrors,.......fitment of Fusions are garbage!


Pretty much