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bac1023
06-24-2010, 12:02
These just became available very recently. In fact, they aren't even on ATI's website yet, I don't believe. I haven't seen tham pop up on Gunbroker yet either. There are two models available, the Military and the Thunderbolt. The only ATI 1911 I see online is the German rimfire.

They are built by Shooters Arms Manufacturing (SAM) in the Philippines and quality seems great, actually. My dealer got both models in, and for just over $400 OTD, I decided to pick up the Military model.

SAM does some good stuff. The Thunderbolt model is $200 more, but is totally enhanced to include a beavertail, FLGR, nice front strap checkering, a skeletonized hammer and trigger, a rail (which was the dealer breaker for me), and I believe an ambi safety, all for $600. :wow: I was impressed and if it weren't for the rail, I probably would have bought it instead. You don't see checkering on $600 1911s that often, especially nice checkering.

Still, the Military is cool. I like the wide hammer and solid construction. This is one HEAVY 1911, at 41.2oz. Its at least 2oz heavier than any other GI I own. :headscratch: Amazingly, its heavier than my Springfield TGO1, Ed Brown Classic Custom, Wilson Super Grade, Kimber Super Match II, and Liebenberg Signature. All of these 1911s have full length guide rods, magwells, and ever other feature you can think of. I can't understand why its so heavy, to be honest. Its obviously something to do with the steel. I only have a few 1911s heavier than it and only by very little.

Here are some pics.

The best part about it is that it comes in a cardboard box. :tongueout:


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/009-6.jpg

bac1023
06-24-2010, 12:02
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/002-11.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/005-9.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/003-7.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/008-11.jpg

deathpriest
06-24-2010, 12:10
Congrats, I like the wide hammer as well.
Let us know how it shoots and how it compares with Rock Islands

Monte#2
06-24-2010, 12:10
Looks nice, bac! Why did they have to go and ruin the upgraded model with a rail? :dunno: I sure would have like to seen one with those upgrades MINUS the rail! Seems like a great price-point.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 12:31
Looks nice, bac! Why did they have to go and ruin the upgraded model with a rail? :dunno: I sure would have like to seen one with those upgrades MINUS the rail! Seems like a great price-point.

I have no idea.

I can see why they included a rail, but they could have had two models. Maybe they will at some point. However, its just these two right now.

I can't even find a pic online to link. :dunno: For those that want a rail, its an incredible value.








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Tactical black
06-24-2010, 12:34
It looks nice for the money. Congrats!

BuckyP
06-24-2010, 12:57
This is one HEAVY 1911, at 41.2oz. Its at least 2oz heavier than any other GI I own. :headscratch: Amazingly, its heavier than my Springfield TGO1, Ed Brown Classic Custom, Wilson Super Grade, Kimber Super Match II, and Liebenberg Signature. All of these 1911s have full length guide rods, magwells, and ever other feature you can think of. I can't understand why its so heavy, to be honest. Its obviously something to do with the steel. I only have a few 1911s heavier than it and only by very little.


I'm guessing that the premium guns you speak of are all flat topped? The flat topping does remove quite a bit of weight, depending how aggressive it is. Checking and the undercutting of the trigger guards are also areaa where weight is removed, as is a higher cut beavertail.

Ruggles
06-24-2010, 13:37
Saw one last weekend at the Houston gun show. Seemed to be better quality than the Chippa 1911-22 which while it works is very "toy gun" feeling. This seems to be a better deal IMO.

Congrats

okie
06-24-2010, 14:13
Very kool, Brian:thumbsup:

glock2740
06-24-2010, 14:14
Congrats! Nice looking gun. Especially for the price. The other one sounds cool too, except why in the rail did they have to put a rail on it? I'm not a rail fan either. But for those features and at that price, I might could have 1 railed 1911 in the collection.:dunno:

glock2740
06-24-2010, 14:17
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=1406

That's not a bad looking gun, especially for $600.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 14:39
Saw one last weekend at the Houston gun show. Seemed to be better quality than the Chippa 1911-22 which while it works is very "toy gun" feeling. This seems to be a better deal IMO.

Congrats

Thanks Ruggles, but this isn't the .22, my friend. :wavey:

This is a 45ACP from the Philippines. ATI's .22 is German. :)

bac1023
06-24-2010, 14:40
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=1406

That's not a bad looking gun, especially for $600.

Thanks Joe.

I just looked at that site a couple days ago and the guns were not on there. My dealer was told they were getting them posted though.

There seems to be a few other models too. However, I don't think they're quite released yet.







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jrs93accord
06-24-2010, 14:44
ATI has a line up of good looking 1911s. That Military Model is really impressive. That is tyhe model I would probably lean towards getting.

BTW Brian, I just made a trade in which I am acquiring a beautiful 1995 Les Baer Concept VII Commanche that has the BAER Tuff finish. This pistol still looks new. Pics up after I get it in next week.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 14:48
ATI has a line up of good looking 1911s. That Military Model is really impressive. That is tyhe model I would probably lean towards getting.



I'm sure you'll be getting one, James. ;)

I figured you would like it, and why not, its a good example of a USGI replica. :)

bac1023
06-24-2010, 14:54
I'm guessing that the premium guns you speak of are all flat topped? The flat topping does remove quite a bit of weight, depending how aggressive it is. Checking and the undercutting of the trigger guards are also areaa where weight is removed, as is a higher cut beavertail.

No, they aren't all flat topped and those that are, aren't be much. The models I list are some of the heaviest 1911s I own.

The bottom line in that this ATI weighs 2 to 3oz more than any other GI I own, including two real WWII USGI 1911A1s.

Here is a list of the weights of my 1911 collection from heaviest to lightest in oz. As you can see, the ATI is very high on the list. No other GI model is even close. The TRP, RRA, and Unertl are the only 1911s heavier, while the Enforcer is the same weight.



Springfield TRP 42.0
RRA Limited Match 41.4
Unertl DLX 41.4
ATI Military 41.2
Nighthawk Enforcer 41.2
Pistol Dynamics Signature 41.0
Ed Brown Classic Custom 41.0
Colt Special Combat Gov. 41.0
Springfield TGO1 40.8
Iver Johnson Eagle 40.8
Volkmann Combat Custom 40.8
Smith & Wesson PC1911 40.8
Kimber Super Match 40.6
Taurus PT1911 40.6
Wilson Super Grade 40.4
Sig STX 40.4
Guncrafter No Name 40.0
Wilson CQB 40.0
Smith & Wesson SW1911 39.8
RIA Government 39.8
Desert Eagle 1911 39.8
Valtro 1998 A1 39.6
Les Baer SRP 39.6
STI Legacy 39.6
Auto Ordnance 39.6
Remington Rand USGI 39.4
IAC Regent 39.2
Les Baer Concept V 39.2
Infinity Custom 39.0
Colt Gold Cup 39.0
Thompson Custom 1911 39.0
Norinco 1911 39.0
EGW Custom 38.8
Dan Wesson Valor 38.8
STI Trojan 38.8
Detonics Service Master 38.8
Firestorm DLX 38.8
Ithaca USGI 38.8
Yost Retro 38.6
Para 1911 Limited 38.6
Nighthawk Predator II 38.4
Charles Daly EFS 38.4
Springfield GI 38.4
STI Spartan 38.2
Fusion Commander Elite 38.0
Kimber Custom II 37.8
Para GI Expert 37.8
AMT Hardballer 37.0
Dan Wesson CBOB 35.8
Ed Brown Kobra Carry 35.6
Colt Commander XSE 35.6
Kimber Pro CDP II 29.0

bac1023
06-24-2010, 14:57
BTW Brian, I just made a trade in which I am acquiring a beautiful 1995 Les Baer Concept VII Commanche that has the BAER Tuff finish. This pistol still looks new. Pics up after I get it in next week.

Congrats James!!!! :cool:

I believe this will be your first semi custom, if I'm not mistaken. :banana:

Quack
06-24-2010, 15:00
I thought you were limiting you 1911 purchases for the year :rofl:

So much for that :animlol:

bac1023
06-24-2010, 15:23
I thought you were limiting you 1911 purchases for the year :rofl:

So much for that :animlol:

:rofl:

Don, I am actually believe it or not. This is one of five more from now until December 31st.

The other four are as follows:



1967 Colt Gold Cup NM - Won on Gunbroker last week - already paid for and should be here next week

Remington R1 - I'll probably pick this up in August or September

Morris Custom Tactical Elite - Ordered in April - Should have it next month or early August - already paid for

EMF Hartford - Already at my shop. I just have to pick it up, but I'm going to wait a while.



As you can see, the expensive ones are already paid for, so I'm just going to space out the others. I'll be up to 56 1911s by year's end and will take another family pic. That will leave me four to go to complete my collection of 60 models. I'd like one more semi custom and a couple classics.

Quack
06-24-2010, 15:36
ah....looks good. i'll have to keep my eye out for the railed one. :)

bac1023
06-24-2010, 15:42
ah....looks good. i'll have to keep my eye out for the railed one. :)

I held the railed model and it seemed good. Even the checkering was done well. :)

Quack
06-24-2010, 15:47
was the end of the dust cover rail swept back like the Double Star?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/doublestar1911.jpg

Tactical black
06-24-2010, 15:49
Is the Double Star built well?

bac1023
06-24-2010, 15:51
was the end of the dust cover rail swept back like the Double Star?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/doublestar1911.jpg


Don, here it is here.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/1277390110.jpg




I wish to hell DoubleStar would build one without a rail. :sigh:

Tactical black
06-24-2010, 15:52
I read somewhere that Double Star was thinking about it.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 15:52
Is the Double Star built well?

I've heard good things. I think they run a little over a grand.

If they built one without a rail, I'd have it by now. :dunno:

Quack
06-24-2010, 15:59
nice, might have to get one.

Quack
06-24-2010, 16:01
Is the Double Star built well?

the one i looked at was nice and the $1149 price tag wasn't bad either.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 16:04
I read somewhere that Double Star was thinking about it.

I sent them an email earlier this year and never got a response. Maybe I'll try calling them.

In the email I said that the rail serves a good purpose, but many don't like them. I also said I liked their products and wanted one of their 1911s.

bac1023
06-24-2010, 16:04
nice, might have to get one.

The ATI or Doublestar?

Quack
06-24-2010, 16:04
ATI FX Military Suggested Retail $449.00
SKU: ATIGFX45MIL
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 8.5
BBL Length: 5
Wgt: 2.31 lbs
Matte Black Steel, Matte Blk Military Front & Rear Site, Military Slide stop and Safety lock, Mahogany Grips, Single Action Semi Auto

ATI FX GI Suggested Retail $449.00
SKU: ATIGFX45GI
Cal: .45
Overall length: 7.9
BBL Length: 4.25
Wgt: 2 Lbs
Matte Black Steel, Matte Blk Military Front & Rear Site, Military Slide stop and Safety lock, Mahogany Grips, Single Action Semi Auto

ATI FX Thunderbolt Suggested Retail $699.00
SKU: ATIGFX45THUN
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 8.7
BBL Length: 5
Wgt: 2.4 Lbs
Chrome Steel, Picatinny Rail, 7+1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips, White Dot LPA Bo Mar sights, textured grip

ATI FX Titan Blue Suggested Retail $519.00
SKU: ATIGFX45TIB
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 6.9
BBL Length: 3.13
Wgt: 1.76 Lbs
Low Profile rear sight, Dovetail Front site, Two Stage Recoil spring system, Military Slide stop and safety lock, 6 + 1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips

ATI FX Titan Stainless Suggested Retail $599.00
SKU: ATIGFX45TIS
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 6.9
BBL Length: 3.13
Wgt: 1.76 Lbs
Chrome Steel, Low Profile rear sight, Dovetail Front site, Two Stage Recoil spring system, Military Slide stop and safety lock, 6 + 1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips

bac1023
06-24-2010, 16:06
ATI FX Military Suggested Retail $449.00
SKU: ATIGFX45MIL
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 8.5
BBL Length: 5
Wgt: 2.31 lbs
Matte Black Steel, Matte Blk Military Front & Rear Site, Military Slide stop and Safety lock, Mahogany Grips, Single Action Semi Auto

ATI FX GI Suggested Retail $449.00
SKU: ATIGFX45GI
Cal: .45
Overall length: 7.9
BBL Length: 4.25
Wgt: 2 Lbs
Matte Black Steel, Matte Blk Military Front & Rear Site, Military Slide stop and Safety lock, Mahogany Grips, Single Action Semi Auto

ATI FX Thunderbolt Suggested Retail $699.00
SKU: ATIGFX45THUN
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 8.7
BBL Length: 5
Wgt: 2.4 Lbs
Chrome Steel, Picatinny Rail, 7+1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips, White Dot LPA Bo Mar sights, textured grip

ATI FX Titan Blue Suggested Retail $519.00
SKU: ATIGFX45TIB
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 6.9
BBL Length: 3.13
Wgt: 1.76 Lbs
Low Profile rear sight, Dovetail Front site, Two Stage Recoil spring system, Military Slide stop and safety lock, 6 + 1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips

ATI FX Titan Stainless Suggested Retail $599.00
SKU: ATIGFX45TIS
Cal: .45
Overall Length: 6.9
BBL Length: 3.13
Wgt: 1.76 Lbs
Chrome Steel, Low Profile rear sight, Dovetail Front site, Two Stage Recoil spring system, Military Slide stop and safety lock, 6 + 1 mag capacity, Mahogany Grips


Yeah, they must have just populated their website, because a couple of days ago, they weren't on there. The only 1911 on there was the rimfire from Germany.

jrs93accord
06-24-2010, 16:07
Congrats James!!!! :cool:

I believe this will be your first semi custom, if I'm not mistaken. :banana:

You are correct. This will be the first. :supergrin:

bac1023
06-24-2010, 16:15
You are correct. This will be the first. :supergrin:

:cheers: :pepper:

I'm looking forward to seeing it in the red rubber chips. :supergrin:

Taroman
06-24-2010, 20:24
Looks nice, but the truth is in the targets, so get out there and get us a range report!

bac1023
06-24-2010, 20:43
Looks nice, but the truth is in the targets, so get out there and get us a range report!

Yeah, I've got to get it to the range. :)