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1canvas
06-24-2010, 20:00
well i have learned that the GD LE ammo in 357 sig is a little hotter [25fps] and use a different bullet. what about other calibers such as 9mm or .40 caliber which are popular LE ammo? i checked the speer web site and there are no ballistics or listing for LE ammo.

betyourlife
06-24-2010, 20:04
well i have learned that the GD LE ammo in 357 sig is a little hotter [25fps] and use a different bullet. what about other calibers such as 9mm or .40 caliber which are popular LE ammo? i checked the speer web site and there are no ballistics or listing for LE ammo.

WHERE specifically did you learn this?

chasbo00
06-24-2010, 21:28
... i checked the speer web site and there are no ballistics or listing for LE ammo.

Speer's LE ammo data are located on its parent company's (ATK) website:

http://le.atk.com/general/speerproducts/handgun/golddot.aspx

1canvas
06-24-2010, 21:43
Speer's LE ammo data are located on its parent company's (ATK) website:

http://le.atk.com/general/speerproducts/handgun/golddot.aspx

thanks, that was the info i was looking for.
that 200grn .40 looked interesting though, but i never seen it sold anywhere.

five-0
06-26-2010, 17:31
well i have learned that the GD LE ammo in 357 sig is a little hotter [25fps] and use a different bullet. what about other calibers such as 9mm or .40 caliber which are popular LE ammo? i checked the speer web site and there are no ballistics or listing for LE ammo.

Wrong.
The only difference between LE and civvy Gold Dots is additional QC checks.
I am one of the officers that deals with ammo procurement for my dept and have had this very conversation with one of the LE guys at Speer (Steven Jenkins).

glock2740
06-26-2010, 18:22
Wrong.
The only difference between LE and civvy Gold Dots is additional QC checks.
I am one of the officers that deals with ammo procurement for my dept and have had this very conversation with one of the LE guys at Speer (Steven Jenkins).
Exactly. I got a steal of a deal on a 250 round box of Gold Dots that a few out of the lot, didn't pass the submersion test, so they failed the whole lot and sold at ridiculously low prices in .40 165gr Gold Dot, .357 Sig 125gr Gold Dot and .380 90gr Gold Dot. I haven't had a single issue out of any of them either and those are what I carry in my .380 and .357 Sig.

jeffreybehr
06-26-2010, 19:07
Wrong. The only difference between LE and civvy Gold Dots is additional QC checks.

Then why does ATK list 2 different 357SIG 125g. load numbers at different velocities?

AND...I may have contributed to the OP's statements with my posting of pics of expanded 5- and 6-segment 125g. GD bullets, the former from commercially available 20-round boxes and the latter from LE load #54234.

five-0
06-26-2010, 19:54
[QUOTE=jeffreybehr;15539965]Then why does ATK list 2 different 357SIG 125g. load numbers at different velocities?
QUOTE]

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Umm, because they are different loads (btw, both are listed in the LE section).
One is not the "civvy" version and the other the "LE" version.

A different number of petals would be from updates / bullet design changes, not LE vs commercial.

1canvas
06-26-2010, 20:09
the boxes i bought in 357 sig marked LE have the six petals higher velocity stock #54234. the other boxes not marked LE have a stock #23918, lower velocity 5 petals.:dunno:

jeffreybehr
06-26-2010, 22:27
the boxes i bought in 357 sig marked LE have the six petals higher velocity stock #54234. the other boxes not marked LE have a stock #23918, lower velocity 5 petals.:dunno:

And that's exactly what my 2 loads are like. The 5-petal version I bought new this spring; the LE version I also bought this spring but I don't know when the individual I bought it from bought it.

FatBoy
06-27-2010, 06:44
the boxes i bought in 357 sig marked LE have the six petals higher velocity stock #54234. the other boxes not marked LE have a stock #23918, lower velocity 5 petals.:dunno:


You are both right and wrong at the same time, kind of.

There are two different "LE" loads. #54234 and #53918. There is only one corresponding "civi" load #23918. You bought different loads, that is why they are well, different. Had you bought the #53918, instead of the #54234 , you'd find the same velocity. If you look closely at speer's load #'s. You'll notice the only difference is the 1st number. 5 or 2 then xxxx. The 5's are the LE 50rd boxes and the 2's are the 20rd civi boxes in this case, as there are some 20rd LE boxes too in some loads, and they have a 2 for the 1st#.

There are also two 165gr .40sw LE loads, but there is only one 165 civi load. One of the LE loads is a bit faster, the other is the same as the civi load.

I have rambled on enough, time to get to bed, it's been a long night.:yawn:

FB

gatorboy
06-27-2010, 06:59
I've got two cases of 53972. Six petals.

PghJim
06-30-2010, 19:12
I've got two cases of 53972. Six petals.

I do not see a 53972 on the website. Is it something new?

cowboy1964
06-30-2010, 19:53
There was another thread here recently on which I explained the differences between the two .357SIG loads. LE vs civvy has nothing to do with it.

mikegun
07-03-2010, 09:38
Good stuff

gatorboy
07-03-2010, 12:44
I do not see a 53972 on the website. Is it something new?

Replacement # for LE I suppose. Looks and shoots the same.

saltydog452
07-03-2010, 13:28
An earlier post by a LE procument officer mentioned that there wasn't any differences in LE vs. civilian ammunition.

No disrespect to anyone, but, if that is the case, why the end user restrictions from ATK?

Thanks,

salty

chasbo00
07-03-2010, 19:47
No disrespect to anyone, but, if that is the case, why the end user restrictions from ATK?


$$ profit mainly I suspect. Those high-priced 20 and 25 round boxes are now the norm for premium ammo in the civilian sector while the 50 round boxes remain the norm in the LE sector.