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wdphillips
06-28-2010, 12:39
Is it Economical to Reload the .223?

I was on Target Sports USA yesterday looking at Federal-American-Eagle .223 ammunition for $357/1000 with free shipping. That is 36 cents/round.

When I look at the cost of reloading my .223 I am at about 25 cents if I have the casing, 45 cents with a new casing.

If I were not having so much fun I would have to ask the question. Why am I doing this?

MarcusT
06-28-2010, 12:46
I load 223 for about $150 per k using free brass mil surplus powder and 62gr milspec bullets from wideners.

hoffy
06-28-2010, 12:50
Yes. Widener's sells bullets at something like mid 300$s per 5000=.07cents per,+-, and they ship in a flat rate box. Now if you are buying match bullets by the 100, that's another story. I probably have about a thousand Nosler/Sierra/Hornady match bullets but they do not get shot much. Mostly my ARs just get ball, and I have 3-4k left over from before the panic, brass-buckets full of military.

PCJim
06-28-2010, 12:56
WD, you need to purchase in bulk. I order 500 - 1,000 bullets at a time and significantly cut the cost of the most expensive component, except for brass. I believe the last time I figured the cost, I was at about 20-22 cents per round with recycled brass (using 55gr bulk fmj and either BL-C2 or AA2230 powder). I haven't reloaded any since last summer...

dudel
06-28-2010, 13:35
It is for me.

I get my Hornady bulk 55gr FMJBT from MidSouth at $18/250. So $80/1K + $30/1K primers has me at $110. One pound of Varget gets me about 250 loads, so at $22/lb thas another $88 for a total of around $200/1000 rounds if I reuse my brass. Looks like I'm almost half the cost of discount ammo (of course not counting my time).

And that's not even buying in bulk. Buy the projectiles from Midsouth in 6K quantities and save, buy Varget in 8# containers and save, buy primers by the 5k or 10K and save even more.

shotgunred
06-28-2010, 14:01
You can buy Russian ammo for less than as you can reload your own brass.
AIm 199 per K


mid south bullets 80.10
primers 34 per k
powder 3.5 pounds 95 per K

total 209.10

WellArmedSheep
06-28-2010, 14:11
You can buy Russian ammo for less than as you can reload your own brass.
AIm 199 per K


mid south bullets 80.10
primers 34 per k
powder 3.5 pounds 95 per K

total 209.10

But you're getting MUCH better quality ammo.

ManNamedJed
06-28-2010, 14:45
I load it for about $.17 per rd.

I buy Montana Gold bullets by the case, Winchester or Wolf primers by the case at the gun show, and 8lb bottles of H335 or Tac.

RustyFN
06-28-2010, 15:36
You can buy Russian ammo for less than as you can reload your own brass.
AIm 199 per K


mid south bullets 80.10
primers 34 per k
powder 3.5 pounds 95 per K

total 209.10

I can't buy it cheaper. I reload 223 with Hornady 55 grain FMJ BT for $110 per 1,000.

Murphy's Law
06-28-2010, 17:11
I'm saving on reloading my own 223 to about 19 cents a round. Plus I enjoy doing it and I believe I'm making far superior ammo then WWB or equivalent.

wanderinwalker
06-28-2010, 17:27
But you're getting MUCH better quality ammo.

:cheers: Here's to that!

I reload .223 quite a bit. I have loaded and fired a few thousand Nosler and Sierra match bullets for my .223 (AR-15 Service Rifle). Buy in bulk, 1000+ lots when you can for the bullets, 5000 primers, 5 and 8 lb powder jugs. Brass isn't too bad, I can get 5-6 loadings out of it in an AR, and most other Highpower shooters I know estimate about the same. We tend to load them hot, so you might get a little more mileage by backing off the intensity a tick or two. Quick calculation, minus brass cost, is about $0.30/ea, or $30/100 for good .223 match ammo that is accurate to 300 yards and beyond. Or about the price of so-so plinking ammo! :whistling:

dudel
06-28-2010, 18:40
You can buy Russian ammo for less than as you can reload your own brass.
AIm 199 per K

Corrosive primered, steel cases, no thanks.

Not worth the "savings" to me.

fredj338
06-28-2010, 19:37
You can reload everything cheaper than buying the worst crap factory ammo. So better ammo for less, why wouldn't one reload? LEss than 20c/rd is pretty easily done buying in bulk. http://www.tjconevera.com/wi2255fmcjbb.html

JesseCJC
06-29-2010, 09:31
Corrosive primered, steel cases, no thanks.

Not worth the "savings" to me.


I have yet to have ANY issues with wolf or Tula being corrosive. Hell, they are boxer primed none the less..

ilgunguygt
06-29-2010, 11:44
You can buy Russian ammo for less than as you can reload your own brass.
AIm 199 per K


mid south bullets 80.10
primers 34 per k
powder 3.5 pounds 95 per K

total 209.10
I will NEVER run another piece of steel cased crap through my AR again. I tried some before, and I posted on the GT forum about it. Radically overpressured and junk. My Rock River isnt the most expensive AR in the world, but it cost me a lot of money, and its not worth it to shoot that crap ammo in it(besides that russian ammo smells like cat pee).

Locally it cost me 28 dollars for 500 pulled and resized 55gr FMJs, 34 dollars for 500 new 55gr FMJs. Cases are 45/1000, powder is $92/8lb, and primers are 28/1000. I can reload way cheaper than the crappy Russian ammo can be bought.

plasticpistol
06-29-2010, 12:02
i have some new LC brass for sale :)

DrugRunR
06-29-2010, 12:30
Corrosive primered, steel cases, no thanks.

Not worth the "savings" to me.


We are talking 5.56x45 not 5.45x39
For me it is cheaper to purchase it then reload it.
I have to factor in my limited time into the cost.
Not to mention I am sitting on about 8K rounds of Russian 5.56x45 that I bought in the late 90's.
All of it non-corrosive steel cased

jtkimber45
06-29-2010, 12:42
I do save money by reloading and my loads are higher quality, as several others have posted. That being said, loading .223 is time consuming, however I enjoy doing it so it is more than worth it for me.

wdphillips
06-30-2010, 06:40
Wow, there is a lot of good information is this thread. You guys know what you are doing. I am going to switch some suppliers (especially around bullets) for components, lower my cost, and continue to have fun reloading my Colt AR-15.

dudel
06-30-2010, 17:42
I have yet to have ANY issues with wolf or Tula being corrosive. Hell, they are boxer primed none the less..

You're on a reloading forum talking about using russian crap (IMHO) to save a few pennies..... What's wrong with this picture? :shocked:

No steel cases for me. No thanks.

ursoboostd
06-30-2010, 18:05
http://www.tjconevera.com/wi2255fmcjbb.html
Looks like some pretty decent prices on that site. Bought anything from them?

dudel
06-30-2010, 18:15
Looks like some pretty decent prices on that site. Bought anything from them?

Tj's good. Hard to go wrong there.

JesseCJC
06-30-2010, 21:30
You're on a reloading forum talking about using russian crap (IMHO) to save a few pennies..... What's wrong with this picture? :shocked:

No steel cases for me. No thanks.

Few pennies? More like 100 bucks per case. If that is a few pennies, why are we even reloaders at all?

njl
06-30-2010, 21:40
:cheers: Here's to that!

I can get 5-6 loadings out of it in an AR, and most other Highpower shooters I know estimate about the same. We tend to load them hot, so you might get a little more mileage by backing off the intensity a tick or two.

Is that with or without annealing the case necks? I haven't started loading rifle calibers yet...but I have most of the stuff and will at some point in the near future.

El_Ron1
07-01-2010, 01:00
Few pennies? More like 100 bucks per case. If that is a few pennies, why are we even reloaders at all?

That's right. Don't be afraid to embrace your inner CRB, dudel.

shotgunred
07-01-2010, 05:01
I can't buy it cheaper. I reload 223 with Hornady 55 grain FMJ BT for $110 per 1,000.
How?
Maybe if you bought your components 10 years ago. But how about at today's price. that is what someone new would be paying.

The best I can come up with is primers from grafs at 22 after you wait 6 months to a year. Buying 8 pound of H335 still is $22 a pound after hasmat and shipping. So $72 per K

mid south's bullets at $80 per k is the best price I have found lately.

That still comes out $174 per K Still much better than brass cased new ammo. But the average guy starting a new load isn't going to buy 8 lb jugs of powder.


http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5575
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3506

gjk5
07-01-2010, 09:44
Looks like some pretty decent prices on that site. Bought anything from them?

several times, great guy.

njl
07-01-2010, 10:06
That still comes out $174 per K Still much better than brass cased new ammo. But the average guy starting a new load isn't going to buy 8 lb jugs of powder.


Call me captain insane, but I bought 8lbs of H335 for .223 (planning to load 55gr FMJ for my ARs) and 8lbs of H110 for .30 carbine (to load 110gr JSP for my M1 carbines) with my only reloading experience being loading 9mm.

I did a bunch of research on the powders and decided those were likely the best powders for me for those jobs and jumped in. I still haven't gotten started on rifle yet...but I do have everything required to load 2k .30 carbine rounds. I haven't decided which .224 bullets to order yet. I'll probably go with MG unless I hear some reason not to before then.

I also have almost 9lbs (started with 4lbs, have used a little more than 3 of it) of Universal Clays for 9mm.

The only "1lb" containers of powder I've got are Clays and WST I bought to try out for .45acp 230gr loads after I found Universal sucked for .45 230gr light target loads. Both "work", but I think WST is what I'll be ordering in bulk.

For the rifle powders, I just figured it didn't make sense to mess around with small containers. Using 15-20+ grains of powder per cartridge, 7000gr doesn't last very long.

El_Ron1
07-01-2010, 11:30
But the average guy starting a new load isn't going to buy 8 lb jugs of powder.Must be tough being average.

GioaJack
07-01-2010, 11:35
Must be tough being average.



My goal in life is to elevate to the level of being average. I think I need a taller intellectual ladder. :crying:


Jack

PCJim
07-01-2010, 13:07
As NJL stated, if you do enough research, know what you're wanting to get out of your loads and don't mind having powder sit for years if you don't shoot a lot (it doesn't go bad if properly stored), I can see someone buying 8 lbs right off the start. I did the same when I bought the BL-C2 for my AR.

But, I don't consider myself the average reloader either. And those who have seen my "inventory" definitely do not consider me an average reloader. Most think I'm a little overboard (including my better half). Then again, maybe I am only average as regards the members of this board......

But Shotgun has it right - at today's prices, most new reloaders would not buy an eight pound jug of powder to start loading a new caliber, or 5K of primers or 1-3K of projectiles. When figuring what it costs, I agree that today's prices need to be used, not last years or the years before that. Of course, we could provide a range and qualify it with our inventoried, cheaply bought supplies but we also need to present what it would cost at current, minimum quantity prices. That really is the only way to properly answer the posed question.

MoNsTeR
07-01-2010, 13:54
Never pretend your brass is free, no matter how little you paid for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

dudel
07-01-2010, 18:26
Few pennies? More like 100 bucks per case. If that is a few pennies, why are we even reloaders at all?

Some posted they were getting russian crap for $199/#6). I build it for $200/K, and that's not even taking advantage of bulk buys. That's 100 pennies (or 1 dollar). To me, that's a few pennies. Remember, others are building it for less, so yes, the russian crap costs more. (no, I'm not counting time or the cost of equipment)

GioaJack
07-01-2010, 18:45
Never pretend your brass is free, no matter how little you paid for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost


Monster:

I read the definition... I couldn't find the part where it covered being in the employ of Uncle Sam, using his vehicles, his fuel, his carrying containers, being on duty and being allowed to take all the brass you could carry as many times as you wanted to.

Did I miss that part? (Not sure I'd do it in today's environment though. :supergrin:)


Jack

JesseCJC
07-01-2010, 23:26
Some posted they were getting russian crap for $199/#6). I build it for $200/K, and that's not even taking advantage of bulk buys. That's 100 pennies (or 1 dollar). To me, that's a few pennies. Remember, others are building it for less, so yes, the russian crap costs more. (no, I'm not counting time or the cost of equipment)


I am not sure if you even bothered to look or research your claims or just went on some mindless banter. 200/k assembled and ready to go
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW223MCFMJ55&groupid=21

So, at 200 per building your own reloads or 200 for ammo ready to go, is reloading the .223 economical.... and that is the question at hand. Not how do you feel about "russian crap". Save me the "my reloads are more accurate" speech as you would assume 5-10 hours of work for 1000 rounds of full worked up and prepped reloads would perform better than something you bought off the shelf.

dudel
07-02-2010, 01:28
I am not sure if you even bothered to look or research your claims or just went on some mindless banter. 200/k assembled and ready to go
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW223MCFMJ55&groupid=21


I did; did you. That's $199.50 /1000 (plus shipping) or 20 cents/round (plus shipping) Several people here posted that they wer well below that per round. Plus, your prices are based on buying 1000 rounds. If you bought 500 rounds (@4.30/20 round box), you'd be at $107.50/500 (plus shipping), while I'd be at $100/500.

So, at 200 per building your own reloads or 200 for ammo ready to go, is reloading the .223 economical.... and that is the question at hand. Not how do you feel about "russian crap". Save me the "my reloads are more accurate" speech as you would assume 5-10 hours of work for 1000 rounds of full worked up and prepped reloads would perform better than something you bought off the shelf.

Once I've worked up the load, I don't spend 5-10 hours working up the load again. That's why I keep records.

Looks like your savings is about 50 cents on 1000 rounds. If I bought bulk (which I generally don'), your savings would disappear even quicker. Plus, I have my ammo when I want; not subject to backorders or availabilty.

You want to buy ammo, go ahead; but don't tell people that they can buy it cheaper than make it. That's just not the case for .223

MoNsTeR
07-02-2010, 11:02
Monster:

I read the definition... I couldn't find the part where it covered being in the employ of Uncle Sam, using his vehicles, his fuel, his carrying containers, being on duty and being allowed to take all the brass you could carry as many times as you wanted to.

Did I miss that part? (Not sure I'd do it in today's environment though. :supergrin:)


Jack
If you own it, you can sell it. The corollary is also true.

JesseCJC
07-02-2010, 20:50
Once I've worked up the load, I don't spend 5-10 hours working up the load again. That's why I keep records.

Looks like your savings is about 50 cents on 1000 rounds. If I bought bulk (which I generally don'), your savings would disappear even quicker. Plus, I have my ammo when I want; not subject to backorders or availabilty.

You want to buy ammo, go ahead; but don't tell people that they can buy it cheaper than make it. That's just not the case for .223


I never said, 5-10 hours to work up a load, I said MAKE 1000 rounds.... Tumble, swage/clean out pockets, trim, chamfur, debur, lube, size, fill, seat. Don't have a nice trimmer or progressive? Tack on a few extra hours on that. Is it more rewarding to reload your own .223, absolutely. Is it necessarily economical, not really in the instance provided by another member for the aimsurplus steel. That is not corrosive as you tried to make it out to be in your statements as I pointed out by the way.
It's all fine and dandy you buy in small amounts. Most don't, hell most don't have the luxory of free brass either..

RustyFN
07-03-2010, 10:56
How?
Maybe if you bought your components 10 years ago. But how about at today's price. that is what someone new would be paying.

The best I can come up with is primers from grafs at 22 after you wait 6 months to a year. Buying 8 pound of H335 still is $22 a pound after hasmat and shipping. So $72 per K

mid south's bullets at $80 per k is the best price I have found lately.

That still comes out $174 per K Still much better than brass cased new ammo. But the average guy starting a new load isn't going to buy 8 lb jugs of powder.


http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5575
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3506

That's the advantage of buying in bulk. I buy primers 50,000 at a time. Powder 48 pounds at a time. When I buy bullets when I find a deal I buy a lot. I found 55 grain pulled bullets cheap so I bought 8,000 for $200. If you look for deals and buy in bulk you should be able to load for at least 50%. By the way my components I'm loading with at $110 per 1,000 are less than two years old.

wdphillips
07-04-2010, 06:40
I was on Roze Distributing (Zero Bullets) this morning looking for a good bulk price on 45 LC 250g RNFP and I found this...

http://www.rozedist.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RZD&Category_Code=REL

223 55Gr FMJ Bullets (http://www.rozedist.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RZD&Product_Code=223B&Category_Code=REL)
Code: 223B
Price: $80.00/1000 free shipping

I ordered a 1000.

njl
07-04-2010, 07:42
They're cheaper from Montana Gold, but you have to buy 3.5x as many to get the price and ship to a business address to avoid extra shipping charges.

SNH Glocks
07-04-2010, 08:26
It is IMO as long as I consider my labor free. Buy the components in bulk
and on sale.

Bultx1215
07-04-2010, 11:17
I see a lot of good arguments on price of loaded vs. reloads, but to my way of thinking, accuracy can't be priced out so easily. I have compared the Ruski loads, commercial loads and reloads from the bench and the properly worked up reload will ALWAYS beat the cheapest or most expensive of the purchased rounds. Russian rounds will group for me in the 3-8" range....always have a flier per 20 round mag, too. Commercial will get to 1" groupings, maybe a tad better on some of the primo stuff. MY reloads will always get tight...1/2" or slightly better. To me, that is worth any price as accuracy is priceless. My loads are tuned to MY rifle, not an average of many rifles...mine and mine alone. Maybe my rifle is funky...maybe it isn't. I just go with the results I find. YMMV.

wdphillips
07-12-2010, 15:11
I was on Roze Distributing (Zero Bullets) this morning looking for a good bulk price on 45 LC 250g RNFP and I found this...

http://www.rozedist.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RZD&Category_Code=REL

223 55Gr FMJ Bullets (http://www.rozedist.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RZD&Product_Code=223B&Category_Code=REL)
Code: 223B
Price: $80.00/1000 free shipping

I ordered a 1000.

I just wanted to follow up. I received 1000 bullets on July 9, 2010. It took five (5) days to get 1000 bullets from Alabama to Colorado. That is pretty darn good service.

ursoboostd
07-24-2010, 20:27
several times, great guy.
I just ordered 1K of 55gr .223 Winchester and 1k of 200gr .45 Barry's Hollow points from TJConvera.com :cool:

freakshow10mm
07-24-2010, 21:08
How?
Maybe if you bought your components 10 years ago. But how about at today's price. that is what someone new would be paying.

The best I can come up with is primers from grafs at 22 after you wait 6 months to a year. Buying 8 pound of H335 still is $22 a pound after hasmat and shipping. So $72 per K

mid south's bullets at $80 per k is the best price I have found lately.

That still comes out $174 per K Still much better than brass cased new ammo. But the average guy starting a new load isn't going to buy 8 lb jugs of powder.


http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5575
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3506
HiTech Ammo has pulled .224 for $50
Primers will run $25
TAC will run $44
Amortized brass is essentially free ($50 @ 10 loads each is .005 per shot or $5 per K)

50
25
44
5
----
$124 per K

ursoboostd
08-10-2010, 04:35
OK, so where are you guys buying your 223 55gr bullets?
I just loaded some of the 1k Winchester bulk 55gr I recieved from Tjconvera. Great seller, but I HATE these bullets. They are not uniform from one bullet to the next. Some have a sharp diagnal point causing my OAL to bo 2.265" vs 2.24". I had to take apart more rounds and through away more components yesterday than I ever have in one sitting. I was not happy at all. -Wade-

wdphillips
08-10-2010, 11:31
I have not had any problems with my 55g Zero bullets from Roze Distributing. But they are FMJ.

SNH Glocks
08-10-2010, 17:03
I have bought many 55 gr FMJ Winchester bullets from TJ Conerva without
any problems. Never saw Remingtons on his website.

RustyFN
08-10-2010, 17:15
I got a good deal on 55 grain Hornady bullets from TNT reloading. He doesn't have them now but does have Armscore for $79.95, never used them.
http://www14.inetba.com/tandtreloading/item201947.ctlg

ursoboostd
08-10-2010, 19:55
I have bought many 55 gr FMJ Winchester bullets from TJ Conerva without
any problems. Never saw Remingtons on his website.
Oops. I'll edit. I meant Winchester. You haven't seen a large difference in the length of the bullets? Some of mine seem to have a flat point and other seem to have a sharp point. -Wade-

McGriff
08-10-2010, 20:36
Oops. I'll edit. I meant Winchester. You haven't seen a large difference in the length of the bullets? Some of mine seem to have a flat point and other seem to have a sharp point. -Wade-


Oops, I meant remington! -deleted the reply-

I also bought the x-treme 55gr fmj from tjconeveras and although they appear much better quality, with actual boat tails instead of hollow bases, I haven't found a perfect load. They were cheap too. $82 I think?


ETA: I'm looking for other affordable bullet sources too. Cheap hornady fmjbt would be awesome. I'm tired of "budget quality" bullets.

McGriff
08-10-2010, 20:42
I just wanted to follow up. I received 1000 bullets on July 9, 2010. It took five (5) days to get 1000 bullets from Alabama to Colorado. That is pretty darn good service.


Can you give us a range report? I know your first attempt might not nail the perfect load, but anything helps.

wanderinwalker
08-11-2010, 16:16
Is that with or without annealing the case necks? I haven't started loading rifle calibers yet...but I have most of the stuff and will at some point in the near future.

Sorry I didn't see this sooner. But this is without annealing. Even with annealing to save case necks, the primer pockets will get loose.

labdwakin
08-11-2010, 18:20
I load my 223 in free brass from the range... plinking ammo with pulldown projectiles costs me about 140 dollars per K in PP&P... isn't that less than 350?

SNH Glocks
08-11-2010, 20:25
Oops. I'll edit. I meant Winchester. You haven't seen a large difference in the length of the bullets? Some of mine seem to have a flat point and other seem to have a sharp point. -Wade-

No, straight out of the bag they are fine. Some of the bullet points do
end up slightly deformed during bullet seating. I blame the seating plug in my
die.

wdphillips
08-13-2010, 07:14
Can you give us a range report? I know your first attempt might not nail the perfect load, but anything helps.

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</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3031</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">H335</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">COL</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;">FMJBT</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">SR</td> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
</td> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
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</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; border-top: medium none;" height="17">
</td> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">23.5gr</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">25gr</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2.2</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">55</td> <td class="xl28">
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</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
</td> <td colspan="7" class="xl34" style="border-right: 0.5pt solid black;">Velocity</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Colt AR-15</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;">Load</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;">Average</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">4</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">5</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">6</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">7</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">8</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">9</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="">10</td> <td class="xl28">COL</td> <td class="xl28">STD</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; border-top: medium none;" height="17">H335</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">25</td> <td class="xl30" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="2652.1111111111113" x:fmla="=AVERAGE(D7:M7)">2652.1</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2599</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2656</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2721</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2650</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2710</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2760</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2594</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2645</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2534</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
</td> <td class="xl31" x:num="">2.20</td> <td class="xl31" x:num="66.629063469070545" x:fmla="=STDEVPA(D7:M7)">66.63</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; border-top: medium none;" x:str="'3031" height="17">3031</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">23.5</td> <td class="xl30" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=AVERAGE(D8:M8)">2652.5</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2544</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2830</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2715</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2460</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2682</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2609</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2824</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2534</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2578</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2749</td> <td class="xl28" x:num="">2.26</td> <td class="xl31" x:num="120.54895271216586" x:fmla="=STDEVPA(D8:M8)">120.55</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; border-top: medium none;" height="17">
</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;">
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</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Notes:</td> <td colspan="5" style="">All powder measured by hand with Lee beam scale</td> <td>
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</td> <td colspan="3" style="">Accuracy goes to 3031, not by much</td> <td>
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</td> <td colspan="5" style="">Std deviation goes to H335, meaning less variation in load</td> <td>
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</td> <td class="xl37" style="border-left: medium none; width: 57pt;" x:num="40376" width="76">
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phonejack
08-14-2010, 07:44
Short answer is "no". But, once you assemble some ammo using quality bullets and powder (think sierra mks,nosler ballistic tips and varget powder) and see what your rifle will really "do", you won't be happy with the cheap, crappy stuff.