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bac1023
06-28-2010, 19:03
Well guys, I picked up the Colt that I won on Gunbroker last week...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=173430688

As I figured, the seller's photos did this gun little justice. In fact, though I tried my best, I'm not even sure my photos fully represent this classic. Its got to be one of the most beautiful pistols, 1911 or otherwise, that I've ever seen in my life. It really is that nice. :cool:

On top of that, everything about the gun is top quality. The trigger is terrific, the controls very precise, and the gun is remarkably tight. I feel no side to side play between the slide and frame whatsoever. I can't say that about my new Colts or very many of my newer production guns. Colt really built these things back then.

Other than the box and paper work, there is no mention of the moniker "Gold Cup". All the gun says is "National Match" and I believe that's what they were referred to. "Gold Cup" wasn't stamped on these guns until the series 70 was introduced and mine is pre series 70.

Enough rambling, I'll let the pics do the talking. The Colt royal bluing back then was a sight to behold and this gun looks like it just left the factory, despite being 43 years old. :wow:



http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/019-3.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/018-2.jpg




I love how the Elliason sight is called "new" on the notice in this pic. :animlol:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/016-4.jpg

bac1023
06-28-2010, 19:03
There are no cratered roll marks on this baby like you see on the newer Colts. In fact, all my other Colts have badly cratered roll marks.

There's nothing like that here at all. Its just a beautifully crafted work of art.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/004-4.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/006-8.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/002-9.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/007-3.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/012-5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/009-7.jpg





The bluing is the nicest of any 1911 I own. Its incredible. The only others of mine that approach it is my Yost custom and my Ed Brown Classic Custom.

The funny thing is that I'm not even a huge Colt 1911 fan. However, this gun is unlike any Colt I have that was built recently, including my Special Combat Government. They just don't make them like this anymore. Back in the day, before all the custom and semi custom models were around, this was basically the top 1911 and I can surely see why.

Well, what do you think? Comments??

Hokie1911
06-28-2010, 19:07
Nice score Brian. Simply gorgeous in it's simplicity. :wow:

Dandapani
06-28-2010, 19:24
I have a friend with a similar vintage Colt Python. Same kind of bluing.

Jason D
06-28-2010, 19:26
Very nice Bac.
She could be a twin to mine.

KillStick
06-28-2010, 19:32
That is a beautiful piece, congrats Bac.

brisk21
06-28-2010, 19:37
That is phenominal!!! You just can't beat a high polished blued 1911 by Colt. Let us know how it shoots.

gruntmedik
06-28-2010, 19:37
Gorgeous. :drool:

bac1023
06-28-2010, 20:17
I have a friend with a similar vintage Colt Python. Same kind of bluing.

Cool.

Yeah, I also have a couple old blued Pythons from the mid 60's to early 70's.

Substance-P
06-28-2010, 20:29
Looks great. I am a sucker for the beautiful blued classic colts. Will this make a trip to the range any time soon?

Rinspeed
06-28-2010, 20:31
Well, what do you think? Comments??





I think whoever made that is probably dead. :rofl:

Ruggles
06-28-2010, 20:37
American Craftsmanship Indeed!

bac1023
06-28-2010, 20:45
I think whoever made that is probably dead. :rofl:

:rofl:

Since Colt has had quite a few older folks working there over the years, I'd say you're probably right, Jeff. ;)

Jim Watson
06-28-2010, 20:54
Very nice.
The fact that the box is labeled "Gold Cup" but the gun is not so marked confuses a lot of people. To me, a "National Match" is the pre-war gun.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 03:17
Very nice.
The fact that the box is labeled "Gold Cup" but the gun is not so marked confuses a lot of people. To me, a "National Match" is the pre-war gun.

Maybe so.

I'll probably pick a 1930's era NM up at some point. :)

Tactical black
06-29-2010, 06:45
It's a very beautiful gun congrats!

Rinspeed
06-29-2010, 07:41
That old school bluing done by Colt, in the day, is not equaled by anyone today as far as I'm concerned, are you going to shoot it Brian.

flieger67
06-29-2010, 08:04
Looks like a time-machine sort of find. It's amazing that it's over 40 years old and looks basically mint.

Very nice and thanks for sharing the pics.

BlayGlock
06-29-2010, 08:12
Very nice. So do you shoot like that guy on the instruction booklet?

Dean22
06-29-2010, 08:13
Very nice. So do you shoot like that guy on the instruction booklet?

Bac I'm sure has a much nicer sweater vest while shooting...rest I imagine is about the same...:whistling:

bac1023
06-29-2010, 08:17
Very nice. So do you shoot like that guy on the instruction booklet?

:rofl:

Hell no :)

I probably couldn't hit anything shooting Bullseye style. However, shooting wadcutters in Bullseye matches was this 1911's specialty. Colt also made them in 38 Special for just that purpose, much like the S&W 52.

BlayGlock
06-29-2010, 09:13
I probably couldn't hit anything shooting Bullseye style.

Ive tried it a few times at the twenty-five yard line. You have to really concentrate and control your breathing, and even then my groups still sucked lol. One of these days Ill be that good of a shot. I only need about oh, 100,000-300,000 more rounds through my gun.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 09:26
Ive tried it a few times at the twenty-five yard line. You have to really concentrate and control your breathing, and even then my groups still sucked lol. One of these days Ill be that good of a shot. I only need about oh, 100,000-300,000 more rounds through my gun.

Yeah, its takes serious practice.

I've seen a couple serious Bullseye shooters at a local range and I was amazed. :shocked: I couldn't even shoot that well from a bench rest, let alone standing one handed.

Monte#2
06-29-2010, 09:44
OH...MY...GOSH! That is BEAUTIFUL! That is the find of a lifetime in that condition...or any decent condition for that matter. But that looks like you stepped back in time! A great big congrats! That would be the prize of my collection for sure!

bac1023
06-29-2010, 10:21
OH...MY...GOSH! That is BEAUTIFUL! That is the find of a lifetime in that condition...or any decent condition for that matter. But that looks like you stepped back in time! A great big congrats! That would be the prize of my collection for sure!

Wow, thanks Monte!

Honestly, I've fortunate enough to have a pretty good sampling of 1911s in my possession in all prices ranges, but until now, I've never owned anything like this Colt. I'm really impressed with it. Its amazing what this company was producing back when they were one of the only games in town. No wonder there are so many die hard Colt 1911 fans around.

Even though I wasn't born yet, 1967 must be my lucky year or something. Last year I bought an unfired P38 from a Walther collector. It was also built in 1967.

Same thing as the Colt, box, papers, test target, etc, all from 43 years ago. :wow: While its not in the same class as this Colt as far as value is concerned, its still a beautiful classic in its own right. Its like brand new.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2687.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2689.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2690.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2694.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2691.jpg


The bluing is not quite the royal bluing on my new Colt, but its honestly not far off at all.

I don't know much about the process, but the older bluing practices trump 95% of what you see blued today.

Dean22
06-29-2010, 10:28
:wow:

Those bluing jobs have held up amazing on both guns, makes me wonder where they were kept all those years :shocked:

bac1023
06-29-2010, 10:31
:wow:

Those bluing jobs have held up amazing on both guns, makes me wonder where they were kept all those years :shocked:

Somebody had them sitting in their safes, I'd imagine. However, they obviously kept a thin coating of gun oil or something similar on them.

I'm not sure I could keep a gun that long in that condition. :dunno:

Dean22
06-29-2010, 10:44
Somebody had them sitting in their safes, I'd imagine. However, they obviously kept a thin coating of gun oil or something similar on them.

I'm not sure I could keep a gun that long in that condition. :dunno:


I'm not sure I could keep anything in that condition, I tend to be rough on my toys though :whistling: and I don't own "safe queens".

TxGun
06-29-2010, 11:09
That Colt is a work of art. Just beautiful. And you're 100% correct...they don't make 'em like that anymore (except for a few all-out customs). Not even close.

Jim Watson
06-29-2010, 12:13
Mostly, they still had employees who could polish and the economic conditions that let them take the time to do it right.

Monte#2
06-29-2010, 12:40
Wow, thanks Monte!

Honestly, I've fortunate enough to have a pretty good sampling of 1911s in my possession in all prices ranges, but until now, I've never owned anything like this Colt. I'm really impressed with it. Its amazing what this company was producing back when they were one of the only games in town. No wonder there are so many die hard Colt 1911 fans around.

Even though I wasn't born yet, 1967 must be my lucky year or something. Last year I bought an unfired P38 from a Walther collector. It was also built in 1967.

Same thing as the Colt, box, papers, test target, etc, all from 43 years ago. :wow: While its not in the same class as this Colt as far as value is concerned, its still a beautiful classic in its own right. Its like brand new.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2687.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2689.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2690.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2694.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2691.jpg


The bluing is not quite the royal bluing on my new Colt, but its honestly not far off at all.

I don't know much about the process, but the older bluing practices trump 95% of what you see blued today.


So nice! I have one as well...but no where near that nice. I agree about the old Colts being the only game in town then...and that's what I think I love so much about those older Colts. There weren't the plethera of choices as today...and they made sure that what they DID make...was top notch! Not a bucnh of bells and whisles per se...just top notch craftsmanship and artistry. That deep, dark Colt bluing from that era simply is unmatched!

bac1023
06-29-2010, 12:40
Mostly, they still had employees who could polish and the economic conditions that let them take the time to do it right.

Yeah, and probably a little more hand fitting too.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 13:00
I agree about the old Colts being the only game in town then...and that's what I think I love so much about those older Colts. There weren't the plethera of choices as today...and they made sure that what they DID make...was top notch! Not a bucnh of bells and whisles per se...just top notch craftsmanship and artistry. That deep, dark Colt bluing from that era simply is unmatched!


Yeah, Colt certainly doesn't build them like this anymore, from all the examples I own and have seen. Colt is better now than they were 10 years ago, but they haven't matched their long past glory by any means. I seriously doubt they ever will again.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 13:08
That old school bluing done by Colt, in the day, is not equaled by anyone today as far as I'm concerned, are you going to shoot it Brian.


Jeff, I'm honestly not sure. I may not.

I do have a new production Gold Cup Trophy that I've shot quite a bit. They're good shooting 1911s. :)

I sort of like the wide triggers. :dunno:


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2318-1.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2316.jpg

Rinspeed
06-29-2010, 13:16
Jeff, I'm honestly not sure. I may not.





Hard to explain but I wouldn't either.

Monte#2
06-29-2010, 13:23
Yeah, Colt certainly doesn't build them like this anymore, from all the examples I own and have seen. Colt is better now than they were 10 years ago, but they haven't matched their long past glory by any means. I seriously doubt they ever will again.

I'm afraid your right on that, bac...

bac1023
06-29-2010, 14:12
That Colt is a work of art. Just beautiful. And you're 100% correct...they don't make 'em like that anymore (except for a few all-out customs). Not even close.

Thanks Tx.

Yeah, from a production standpoint, its impossible to get a gun like this these days.

The semi customs and full house customs are where its at today.

jrs93accord
06-29-2010, 16:43
Brian,

That is one beautiful Colt. Great score Sir. That would make a fantastic addition to anyone's collection. Congrats.

Graves
06-29-2010, 17:37
Sheesh, nice snag bac! Couldn't imagine coming across a buy like that online.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 18:36
Brian,

That is one beautiful Colt. Great score Sir. That would make a fantastic addition to anyone's collection. Congrats.

Thanks James!

It was great talking with you tonight as well, my friend. :cool:

RonS
06-29-2010, 19:23
That's why they call it "Royal Blue". That one borders on "Imperial".

Rinspeed
06-29-2010, 20:06
That's why they call it "Royal Blue". That one borders on "Imperial".




I would bet it looks even better in person.

ijacek
06-29-2010, 20:15
As a new Colt fan, I got to say - That is one great looking pony! I am jealous!

bac1023
06-29-2010, 20:40
That's why they call it "Royal Blue". That one borders on "Imperial".

I would bet it looks even better in person.

Thanks guys. :)

It does look better in person and its impossible for me or probably anybody else to do guns like this justice with a camera.

Some things just need to be seen in person.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 20:43
As a new Colt fan, I got to say - That is one great looking pony! I am jealous!

Thanks.

I'm really not a huge Colt 1911 fan, but I'm certainly a fan of the Colts of the past.

I do love Colt wheelguns and the Python is my favorite. :hearts:

TexanRon
06-29-2010, 20:50
BAC: Beautiful, indeed. I share your interest in this pistol. I have only one, lonely Colt. But, it is an early Series 70 Gold Cup. IMHO, there is NO other pistol that you can hold in your hand that feels like that Colt 1911. It just feels.......right. This one belonged to a local LEO. The hammer, trigger, slide release, and all the writing on the slide is gold.

bac1023
06-29-2010, 20:55
BAC: Beautiful, indeed. I share your interest in this pistol. I have only one, lonely Colt. But, it is an early Series 70 Gold Cup. IMHO, there is NO other pistol that you can hold in your hand that feels like that Colt 1911. It just feels.......right. This one belonged to a local LEO. The hammer, trigger, slide release, and all the writing on the slide is gold.

Sounds nice. :)

We need some pics. :wavey:

glock2740
06-29-2010, 21:09
Damn! That's nice, clean and classy and screams nostalgia. Very cool. :thumbsup:

GVFlyer
06-30-2010, 06:57
That's a very nice P-38 Brian, but the Colt is just beautiful.

den888
06-30-2010, 22:27
That is one beautiful Colt ! Gold Cups are my favorite 1911's !!!

kirgi08
07-01-2010, 02:21
Wow, thanks Monte!

Honestly, I've fortunate enough to have a pretty good sampling of 1911s in my possession in all prices ranges, but until now, I've never owned anything like this Colt. I'm really impressed with it. Its amazing what this company was producing back when they were one of the only games in town. No wonder there are so many die hard Colt 1911 fans around.

Even though I wasn't born yet, 1967 must be my lucky year or something. Last year I bought an unfired P38 from a Walther collector. It was also built in 1967.

Same thing as the Colt, box, papers, test target, etc, all from 43 years ago. :wow: While its not in the same class as this Colt as far as value is concerned, its still a beautiful classic in its own right. Its like brand new.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2687.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2689.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2690.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2694.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/000_2691.jpg


The bluing is not quite the royal bluing on my new Colt, but its honestly not far off at all.

I don't know much about the process, but the older bluing practices trump 95% of what you see blued today.

You hadta go a post those pics.'08. :crying

bac1023
07-01-2010, 17:48
You hadta go a post those pics.'08. :crying

:wavey:

Sorry Kirgi.

I know you like that one. :embarassed:

kirgi08
07-01-2010, 23:03
It's my favorite pistol that you own.'08.

bac1023
07-02-2010, 04:22
It's my favorite pistol that you own.'08.

Thanks Kirgi.

I'm glad you like it. :)

Monte#2
07-02-2010, 07:01
Okay...had to post again...couldn't stand it! I LOVE THAT COLT!
Very, very, very nice, bac!

I know, I know...Dr. Freud would call it 1911 envy...:embarassed:

Cerebrus
07-02-2010, 08:48
Amazing find Bac.. simply beautiful.. I just don't understand how one can own a gun and not shoot it tho..:headscratch:

bac1023
07-02-2010, 17:59
Amazing find Bac.. simply beautiful.. I just don't understand how one can own a gun and not shoot it tho..:headscratch:

Thanks.

Its easy man. I can't even get enough rounds through the guns I do shoot, which is about 90% of the guns I own.

I'm going to store this Colt away and keep it and the box and papers in the same condition they are now. :)

kirgi08
07-03-2010, 01:01
:mememe:

I got extra room in the safe.'08. :whistling:

bac1023
07-03-2010, 16:54
:mememe:

I got extra room in the safe.'08. :whistling:

:rofl:

PhoneCop
07-03-2010, 20:36
The bluing on both of those is simply gorgeous. :thumbsup:

98_1LE
07-03-2010, 20:41
Wow, I am jealous.

kirgi08
07-04-2010, 01:22
:rofl:

I won't shoot it,promise.'08 :whistling:


It can keep my older Wilson company. :supergrin:

ctfireman
07-05-2010, 16:47
Simply incredible.

bac1023
07-06-2010, 09:44
Thanks for the many compliments, guys. :)

Steel Head
07-06-2010, 10:15
Thanks for the many compliments, guys. :)

Your new Colt is insanely GORGEOUS:wow:

eddief4
07-06-2010, 22:47
wow, the finish on that is simply amazing! outstanding to say the least! :thumbsup::wavey:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 05:03
wow, the finish on that is simply amazing! outstanding to say the least! :thumbsup::wavey:

Thanks Eddie.

Where have you been? :wavey:

eddief4
07-07-2010, 10:45
Thanks Eddie.

Where have you been? :wavey:



I have been really busy lately, but i'm around from time to time. I try to read a few posts whenever i can, but found myself not really posting. :dunno:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 11:36
I have been really busy lately, but i'm around from time to time. I try to read a few posts whenever i can, but found myself not really posting. :dunno:

Being busy is always good, especially these days.

Its good to see you on the boards. :)

Teddybear
07-07-2010, 14:45
That is one fine looking Gold Cup

eddief4
07-08-2010, 01:21
Being busy is always good, especially these days.

Its good to see you on the boards. :)



Thanks Brian:wavey:

i see your gun habit hasn't slowed any in my absence:supergrin:

bac1023
07-09-2010, 01:57
Thanks Brian:wavey:

i see your gun habit hasn't slowed any in my absence:supergrin:

Not too much, but it will the rest of this year. :)

Officer's Match
07-09-2010, 08:21
I'm late to the party on this particular thread, but that is outstanding Bac. Truly a standout in a pretty decent crowd. :thumbsup:

bac1023
07-09-2010, 21:46
Thanks OM :)

MD357
07-10-2010, 00:13
There are no cratered roll marks on this baby like you see on the newer Colts. In fact, all my other Colts have badly cratered roll marks.

There's nothing like that here at all. Its just a beautifully crafted work of art.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/004-4.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/006-8.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/002-9.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/007-3.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/012-5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/009-7.jpg





The bluing is the nicest of any 1911 I own. Its incredible. The only others of mine that approach it is my Yost custom and my Ed Brown Classic Custom.

The funny thing is that I'm not even a huge Colt 1911 fan. However, this gun is unlike any Colt I have that was built recently, including my Special Combat Government. They just don't make them like this anymore. Back in the day, before all the custom and semi custom models were around, this was basically the top 1911 and I can surely see why.

Well, what do you think? Comments??

This gun definately stands out and is worth "collecting" IMHO. The bluing is just plain gorgeous. Makes you wonder if the boys at Colt are all on crack nowdays, because if they sold 1911s that looked like this they'd fly off the shelves.... IMO of course.

marlinfan
07-10-2010, 05:15
Wow, that's the deepest bluing I've ever seen! I look in my gun safe with my small collection of newer pistols and there's nothing that comes close to looking as nice as that one. NICE FIND!

bac1023
07-10-2010, 06:58
This gun definately stands out and is worth "collecting" IMHO. The bluing is just plain gorgeous. Makes you wonder if the boys at Colt are all on crack nowdays, because if they sold 1911s that looked like this they'd fly off the shelves.... IMO of course.

Thanks and I agree MD. My newer Colts are mostly stainless, however I have a SCG with the blued slide. The bluing is nowhere near that of this 40+ year old model.

I wonder why? Why did Colt stop/change?

Its not just Colt either. In today's world of many black finishes, you really don't see great bluing often from anybody.

A lost art maybe? :dunno:

bac1023
07-10-2010, 07:00
Wow, that's the deepest bluing I've ever seen! I look in my gun safe with my small collection of newer pistols and there's nothing that comes close to looking as nice as that one. NICE FIND!

Thanks!

I have several newer blued guns as well, but, as I said in my previous post, bluing 95% of the time, is not what it was "back in the day".

adv
07-10-2010, 08:44
Beautiful Bac, congratulations. Hard to comprehend that this gun has been around 42/43 years and never been fired - great find.
If you do decide to shoot it you've gotta video it, wear a mask if you have to but video it............

bac1023
07-11-2010, 11:05
Beautiful Bac, congratulations. Hard to comprehend that this gun has been around 42/43 years and never been fired - great find.
If you do decide to shoot it you've gotta video it, wear a mask if you have to but video it............

:rofl:

Yeah, 43 years is a long time to go unfired. When you think of everything that took place during that time, it boggles the mind.

Hell it was built before Woodstock. :rofl:

Even more amazing is that I was able to find a Walther P38 from the same year unfired in the same condition. Its also pictured in this thread. :)