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X-Phile336
06-30-2010, 20:05
Please forgive my city-boy ignorance on this issue, but recently Ive read through several different threads on caliber corner where there has been mention of hardcast bullets. What exactly are hardcast bullets, and what is the difference between them and FMJs (excluding the obvious metal jacket thing)? Will one tend to penetrate better than the other? Does one tend to deform worse than the other? Are there things both types of ammunition can do, or is the hardcast more of a task-specific round?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

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Glolt20-91
06-30-2010, 21:04
Here's a couple of websites that will give you some background, effectiveness (and terminology) that hardcast bullets offer the shooter.

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/default.asp

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/

http://www.castperformance.com/StoreFront.bok

A couple of WFN (wide flat nose) bullets on the right, .38/180gr and .44/255gr;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/Furniturepenetrationline-up005.jpg

From a .44 Special, this pic, 240gr hardcast at 705fps penetrated steel, 1 one gallon water bottle, steel, 2 more one gallon water bottles and came to rest in the 1/2 gallon Ocean Spray bottle;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/44Specialvs9mm014.jpg

The WFN design hardcast causes more soft tissue damge than typical FMJ design and penetrates barriers better than handgun JHPs.

Bob :cowboy:

fredj338
06-30-2010, 22:22
The term "hardcast" is in difference to soft swaged lead bullets. A hardcast lead bullet uses a lead alloy to increase hardness, opposed to a near dead soft lead bullet. One is cast in a mold, the other cold formed in a die. The hardcast bullet will not deform or deform less on striking it's target vs a soft swaged lead bullet.
I view them as specialty bullets for extreme penetration on heavy game animals. If I were forced to use non expanding bullets, a LWFP, like Glolt shows but a bit softer, would be a bit better than a semipointed FMJ in terminal performance.

X-Phile336
07-01-2010, 20:33
Thank you for the information so far. I think I have a little better understanding of hardcasts; better frontal area than FMJ's and harder than lead, right? Golt20-91, thank you for the links. I have to tell you that I just about tossed my cookies when I saw the prices for those Garrett Cartridges. I get about two-thirds to three-quarters pissed off when I have to pay ten bucks for 50 rounds of 9mm CCI Blazer, so I can't even imagine what it must be like to pay $150 fo only 20 rounds.

Berto
07-01-2010, 21:51
A hardcast WFN will also penetrate nose forward and more true to it's intended path than a FMJ due to it's weight balance and profile. Round nosed FMJ typically tumble and can change direction easier.

Glolt20-91
07-02-2010, 00:18
Thank you for the information so far. I think I have a little better understanding of hardcasts; better frontal area than FMJ's and harder than lead, right? Golt20-91, thank you for the links. I have to tell you that I just about tossed my cookies when I saw the prices for those Garrett Cartridges. I get about two-thirds to three-quarters pissed off when I have to pay ten bucks for 50 rounds of 9mm CCI Blazer, so I can't even imagine what it must be like to pay $150 fo only 20 rounds.

Garrett has some good contracts and his products see real world usage.

I handload both the .44mag and .45-70; $150.00 buys a lot of supplies.

Bob :cowboy: