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trimore
07-01-2010, 14:51
Last Thursday, I went to the range to shoot a few hundred rounds through my daily carry weapon, a Kahr PM9. I have had this gun about 9 months and have put maybe 500 rounds through it without any issues. It was lightly used when I got it and I believe was made in '07 or '08.

Here is what happened at the range.

I usually shoot up one of my SD mags just to make sure all is still feeding right. Using Hornady Critical defense.

I could not get through the 1st mag before something happened.

Here is what occurs.

1. Lock slide back
2. Insert mag
3. Release slide
4. Fire
5. New round in chamber
6. Pull trigger all the way back but no fire. The trigger just pulls back without engaging anything.

This process can be repeated. Had the range officer check it as well and same thing. He suggested that be sent back to Kahr or have a gunsmith look at it.

You can imagine what my thoughts were in regard to being able to trust this gun. This was not related to a jam, for FTF or FTE. There was a issue with the trigger not resetting properly.

I called Kahr on Friday and got a RA. It is still in warranty.

Kahr called today and said they could not find anything wrong with the gun. They said they shot 6 mags through it without any issues.

I explained to them that I have zero confidence in this gun now. How can I carry a gun that repeatedly fired one round and then would not fire but the problem is completely unknown.

I asked them if there are any parts related to the trigger, etc that should be replaced anyway considering what occurred... He said that the gun is functioning just fine and they can't replace parts if nothing is wrong.

They said they would clean it really good and then send it back. I really did not know what else to say or do while on the call.

Got any ideas on what to do? Ever see this before? I am wondering if I should try to get in touch with someone higher up or write a letter.

betes
07-01-2010, 14:58
Shoot another hundred rounds through it and see if you can reproduce the problem. Maybe they are right.

mitchg233
07-01-2010, 17:23
Film your range session.

user
07-02-2010, 05:36
You're sure the new round is being chambered correctly, and that the problem is not in the magazine?

Have you cleaned and lubricated the slide?

Sometimes gun mfgrs. will fix something and not tell you, because they don't want it getting around that there's a problem. See if the gun works right now. If so, they probably did fix something.

Gun mfgrs. are not covered by the Consumer Product Safety Act and don't have to do recalls. So sometimes they do it on an informal back-door basis so as to avoid legal liability or loss of reputation.

andyo5
07-04-2010, 04:59
If it happens again, look at the back of the slide to see if it is all the way forwards. I'll bet it will not be. I think your gun is not firing because it is not in battery. This is probably due to the particular ammo you are using.
Kahrs are ammunition sensitive and will not chamber all brands or reloads. Overall length is usually the issue.

Cowart
07-04-2010, 13:54
Kahr called today and said they could not find anything wrong with the gun. They said they shot 6 mags through it without any issues.
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I am wondering if I should try to get in touch with someone higher up or write a letter.

There are only 2 possibilities - they are telling the truth, or they are not telling the truth.

When the gun comes back, put a box of name brand FMJ ammo through it. If the gun works correctly, try some of your carry ammo. If the carry ammo malfunctions - that is the problem.

If the FMJ ammo malfunctions, then write the letter. Otherwise, you don't have anything to write about.

Sharky7
07-05-2010, 23:03
Could any of it be ammo related?

Hornady critical defense has had issues with bad primers....are you sure it is the gun...maybe the striker hit the ammo and the bad primer caused a failure to fire? Is that possible?

NMGlocker
07-10-2010, 08:47
My P380 had the same issue.
Kahr replaced the frame.