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Quack
07-02-2010, 08:44
How do I know if a 1911 is the right choice for me?

That is a tough question as I feel most people are best served NOT using a 1911 as a primary sidearm. Two criteria come to mind a) A passion for the 1911 platform and b) you are willing to be your own armorer and can fix relatively minor problems or fit certain parts yourself. If you are the kind of guy that doesn’t mind tinkering with your Harley Davidson motorcycle to keep it running then you are a candidate. If however you treat your pistols like we all treat our lawnmowers then don’t get a 1911 – use a Glock.

sounds about right.

cdunn
07-02-2010, 09:07
very true from someone that knows.

BlayGlock
07-02-2010, 09:19
Smart man

Navitimer
07-02-2010, 10:11
Vickers is the man. I'd like to take his 1911 classes.

cdunn
07-02-2010, 10:51
Vickers is the man. I'd like to take his 1911 classes.
I attended his 1911 operators course, good stuff

PlasticGuy
07-02-2010, 11:14
I agree with that. I highly recommend 1911's for shooters who have some passion, and generally don't for shooters who are only concerned about a "bang" followed by a hole in the target.

Titurel
07-02-2010, 12:36
A fellow I know and respect served multiple SF tours in Vietnam and then had a long career in law enforcement. He always carried a 1911 and called it "the professional's gun".

Although I admire 1911's a lot, I'm one of those people better served by a Glock.

G19aps
07-02-2010, 14:50
That statement from Larry means alot. You don't often have someone of his stature say something about the 1911 that isn't covered with drool about how awesome it is. I love my 2 Springfields and the 1911 pattern in general. Enjoy shooting IDPA with them occasionally and plinking. But, Glocks and a J frame protect me.

Todesengel
07-02-2010, 22:38
I'm a big 1911 fan but have become accustomed to the user-friendliness and low required maintenance of Glocks and have made a G21SF my primary carry. I completely agree with Larry Vickers.

RMTactical
07-02-2010, 23:27
Seems fairly true in my limited experience.

Ruggles
07-02-2010, 23:42
I'm sticking with the 1911 :)

Seemed to have served pretty well across all spectrum of folks over the last 100 years. It really does not require much maintenance when use in my rather boring world. I can see where his statement made more sense in a heavy duty use world, That is just not my world.

MD357
07-03-2010, 01:24
With all due respect, kinda makes you wonder how all those grunts made it with the 1911 in several wars/conflicts in several countries before this statement. :supergrin:

BOGE
07-03-2010, 09:52
With all due respect, kinda makes you wonder how all those grunts made it with the 1911 in several wars/conflicts in several countries before this statement. :supergrin:

Simple: one factory model for each maker & they used go/no go gauges. :supergrin:

samuse
07-03-2010, 10:09
Although I admire 1911's a lot, I'm one of those people better served by a Glock.


I'm in the "lawnmower" category too!:rofl:

glock2740
07-03-2010, 10:25
That should be in Readers Digest Quotable Quotes. And would make for a damn fine signature line too.

glock2740
07-03-2010, 10:35
Well, I had to shorten it to make it work, but there you go. :rofl:

Ahmid
07-03-2010, 10:42
The best I can do with a 1911 is field strip and clean it. I can also remove the firing pin and extractor. Other than that I am all thumbs. I love the 1911 have many and shoot them. Can't remember having a problem with one that was good from the get go a couple had to be serviced from Kimber or Nighthawk. The reason they were sent back was for minor stuff that I dared not do myself.

ctfireman
07-03-2010, 10:51
I consider myself lucky to be a univeral gun guy. There's no one gun that fits my hand perfect or that i shoot better. I own & shoot quite a few different platforms & like them all but love 1911's.

Boats
07-03-2010, 10:52
A one sentence response:

http://i49.tinypic.com/eu34sk.jpg

MD357
07-03-2010, 13:01
Simple: one factory model for each maker & they used go/no go gauges. :supergrin:

Good point. :cool: I think it's about perspective sometimes, seems this generation of shooters is spoiled (this includes me) by some of the plastic wonders of today.

Jim S.
07-03-2010, 18:07
With all due respect, kinda makes you wonder how all those grunts made it with the 1911 in several wars/conflicts in several countries before this statement. :supergrin:

I've carried a 1911 most of my life. I learned early on that fancy target shooting 1911's didn't belong in your holster for self defense.
There is nothing wrong with a "bare bones nothin fancy 1911" for self defense.
I don't care if it doesn't drill holes that touch each other at 25 yards.
I just care that it drills holes consistantly at close range. Sort of what they were designed for.
It doesn't take a lot of work to make a basic Mil-Spec type of 1911 to be a good dependable side arm.
A little more than a Glock requires but not a lot.
All bets are off when you start making them tight and competition accurate.

Chonny
07-03-2010, 22:51
I completely agree.

GreyEclipse
07-03-2010, 23:35
True statement.

I appreciate all types of firearms but I have a certain love for the 1911. They just fit so perfectly in my hand...and I saw that some of you guy's are talking about "our" generation vs. the older generation. I'm a young guy and I got my grandfather into shooting 1911's. :tongueout: He's like me, he liked all types of firearms but he preferred to shoot what he liked...well now he likes 1911's. :tongueout: He carries a 1911 during winter, a Sig during the summer and a Beretta whenever he isn't carrying one of those. I don't know why he never considered a 1911 before I started shooting one...:dunno:

auto45
07-06-2010, 05:40
Simple: one factory model for each maker & they used go/no go gauges

I think that's true...and there have be little to no design changes to accommodate modern/better techniques.

Still installing, and fixing plunger tubes because they aren't integral to the frame.
8 parts to keep the grips on the gun and the bushings need special tools?
Ejectors still break because of the small legs/design, and you need some gunsmithing expertise to install one.

Other "small" items that can stop the gun that really should be addressed with a design change...instead of "using better parts" and installing properly, etc, etc.

Just IMHO.

chuckman
07-06-2010, 06:08
One of the things I like about Mr. Vickers (I have taken his classes, I just can't bring myself to call him "Larry." I don't know him that well), he is a big proponent for the 'right tool for the right job.' He likes 1911s, obviously, but also supports Glock, SIG, and just about everyone else. If he trashes a gun (which is rare), it needs trashing, and most people would know it was garbage anyway.

The last class I took with him I used a SIG 1911, which ran great, but after 500 rounds started wearing me down a bit. He used that as a good lesson on how to compensate for getting tired, and showed me a couple things in order to maintain the same proficiency.

BOGE
07-06-2010, 07:55
One of the things I like about Mr. Vickers (I have taken his classes, I just can't bring myself to call him "Larry." I don't know him that well), he is a big proponent for the 'right tool for the right job.' He likes 1911s, obviously, but also supports Glock, SIG, and just about everyone else. If he trashes a gun (which is rare), it needs trashing, and most people would know it was garbage anyway.

The last class I took with him I used a SIG 1911, which ran great, but after 500 rounds started wearing me down a bit. He used that as a good lesson on how to compensate for getting tired, and showed me a couple things in order to maintain the same proficiency.


Great post. There are many different handguns for different applications.

KalashniKEV
07-06-2010, 07:56
Very well said!

I'm 100% in agreement with what's been said above too.

The "wonder nines" and polymer frame revolution did spoil my generation... plastic guns with no "soul," one the same as the next. The upside to the ubiquitous Glock is that they're rock solid reliable, deliver acceptable accuracy, parts and mags are everywhere, and they are mostly all the same...