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BlayGlock
07-02-2010, 09:00
Something Ive noticed when reading 1911 forums over the past few years is the absolute aversion of many 1911 fans to any name that contains any of the following key word: "Tactical", "Spec Ops", "Operator", "Special Forces" ect.

I see many comments that say "Man I love that Ed Brown but I wish it was not named Special Forces" or " I like the new Wilson Combat 9mm but I HATE that they called it a Spec Ops" or just recently in a thread about a Springfield SRP " Nice piece, but I would have to remove that foolish "tactical" engraving from the frame. That's just embarrassing…"

Why are many of the 1911 fans scared of being called a high speed operator because of what is on the side of their gun?

A quick note: By asking this I do not mean any disrespect, and I am not implying that you are stupid because you do not like these things. I am sure that you have valid reason for the dislike. I just honestly feel like I am missing some crucial piece of gun lore.

ronin.45
07-02-2010, 09:15
Over the last decade or so every gun/clothing/granola bar company has introduced a line of "tactical" products. They are no different except for the tactical label. At one point in time it was something of a status symbol to have the gun that the proffesionals use. Springfield really pushed this in the advertising for the TRP. Over time the tactical/spec-ops/operator nomenclature has been so watered down that every shooter at the range is dressed like a Blackwater contractor and carrying a "tactical" cell phone pouch. For god's sake, they have tactical canned bacon. So real shooters have shied away from anything that will paint them as a wannabe so they can avoid being lumped in with all the tactical timmies.

BlayGlock
07-02-2010, 09:18
I can definatley buy that. Thanks for the reply.

At one point in time it was something of a status symbol to have the gun that the proffesionals use.

That explains a lot then.

PlasticGuy
07-02-2010, 11:20
For me, it's as much out of respect for real operators as anything. I'm in nuclear security and carry guns for a living, but I'm not "Special Forces" so I ordered my Ed Brown without that engraved on the slide. I have no need or desire to pose.

rsxr22
07-02-2010, 13:24
I have noticed the same things lately, but personally none of it bothers me. I dont care how tacticool or silly a name is, if someone is making a great gun and i want it, im going to get it. It is nice though when looking at custom 1911's you can get the roll marks removed, but whats even worse is some of the custom roll marks i have seen on 1911's. A freind has a NH Enforcer with enforcer taken off and instead reads "J's .45" to me that is just retarded and i would NEVER get anything done like that.
I do however like the vet's that get the 1911's customized with rollmarks of details from their deployment's. That is something that would be priceless to me if i served overseas

El_Ron1
07-02-2010, 15:16
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Amish_Hobo/dont-worry-im-from-the-internet.jpg

Quack
07-02-2010, 17:33
Doesn't bother me, but I just hate huge rollmarks.
If I had a choice, all my guns would be naked.

It's like that with my cars, when I get a new one the first thing I do is remove all the badges. If the decals on my motorcycle weren't under clear coat, they'd be gone too.

Spiffums
07-02-2010, 18:14
Over the last decade or so every gun/clothing/granola bar company has introduced a line of "tactical" products. They are no different except for the tactical label. At one point in time it was something of a status symbol to have the gun that the proffesionals use. Springfield really pushed this in the advertising for the TRP. Over time the tactical/spec-ops/operator nomenclature has been so watered down that every shooter at the range is dressed like a Blackwater contractor and carrying a "tactical" cell phone pouch. For god's sake, they have tactical canned bacon. So real shooters have shied away from anything that will paint them as a wannabe so they can avoid being lumped in with all the tactical timmies.

You would think real shooters wouldn't care what others thought......... and just let the targets do da talkin'.

jethro21
07-02-2010, 18:25
This is one of my favorite "tactical" pieces-

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/25704/catid/41/Tuff_Writer_Tactical_Pen

Glockdude1
07-02-2010, 18:48
Is it ok to have "Operator" roll marked on the slide?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/StreamlightTLR-1003.jpg

:cool:

Range Rat
07-02-2010, 20:08
Is it ok to have "Operator" roll marked on the slide?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/StreamlightTLR-1003.jpg

:cool:

That looks fine to my eye. I don't like those huge rollmarks however but others do. What a country!

ronin.45
07-02-2010, 21:16
Is it ok to have "Operator" roll marked on the slide?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/StreamlightTLR-1003.jpg

:cool:

I think it's fine. I even like my 1911s personalized.:supergrin:

BlayGlock
07-02-2010, 22:54
You would think real shooters wouldn't care what others thought......... and just let the targets do da talkin'.

That is what I always thought.

Cobra64
07-03-2010, 00:30
Something Ive noticed when reading 1911 forums over the past few years is the absolute aversion of many 1911 fans to any name that contains any of the following key word: "Tactical", "Spec Ops", "Operator", "Special Forces" ect.

I see many comments that say "Man I love that Ed Brown but I wish it was not named Special Forces" or " I like the new Wilson Combat 9mm but I HATE that they called it a Spec Ops" or just recently in a thread about a Springfield SRP " Nice piece, but I would have to remove that foolish "tactical" engraving from the frame. That's just embarrassing…"

Why are many of the 1911 fans scared of being called a high speed operator because of what is on the side of their gun?

A quick note: By asking this I do not mean any disrespect, and I am not implying that you are stupid because you do not like these things. I am sure that you have valid reason for the dislike. I just honestly feel like I am missing some crucial piece of gun lore.

Because you end up with these guys at the range with all their tacti-cool outfits who can't hit sh1t at 10 yards.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/MALLNINJA.gif



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Jeepnik
07-03-2010, 00:34
Oh, for me, it's because to me, a "high speed operator" means one thant can connect a great many calls though "her" switchboard in a very short time.

Heck, I haven't figured out just what it is these "operators" actually operate. I mean, do they "operate" heavy machinery? Do they "operate" plants that are either a continuous process or batch process? And if they do "operate" say a batch process, if they are really fast, are they then "high speed operators"?

It's all sort of confusing. I don't know why we don't just call they soldiers, marines, sailor, or airmen. I mean afterall, aren't they members of the armed services?

Sheesh, once upon a time, you were special if you wore a colorful french hat. Then everyone started wearing french headgear. Now we just give them a fancy name.

Cobra64
07-03-2010, 00:37
Doesn't bother me, but I just hate huge rollmarks.
If I had a choice, all my guns would be naked.

It's like that with my cars, when I get a new one the first thing I do is remove all the badges. If the decals on my motorcycle weren't under clear coat, they'd be gone too.

:agree:

I've told Bac a dozen times that when I order a full custom 1911, if anything, the builder is going to put "MY NAME " on the slide. :rofl:.

If you go to Europe, you'll very few cars with model numbers but BMW will have its badge and Mercedes its three pointed star.

Cobra64
07-03-2010, 00:44
Is it ok to have "Operator" roll marked on the slide?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/StreamlightTLR-1003.jpg

:cool:

This is an operator:


http://depts.washington.edu/labhist/laborphotos/operator.jpg



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Cobra64
07-03-2010, 00:48
Oh, for me, it's because to me, a "high speed operator" means one thant can connect a great many calls though "her" switchboard in a very short time.

Heck, I haven't figured out just what it is these "operators" actually operate. I mean, do they "operate" heavy machinery? Do they "operate" plants that are either a continuous process or batch process? And if they do "operate" say a batch process, if they are really fast, are they then "high speed operators"?

It's all sort of confusing. I don't know why we don't just call they soldiers, marines, sailor, or airmen. I mean afterall, aren't they members of the armed services?

Sheesh, once upon a time, you were special if you wore a colorful french hat. Then everyone started wearing french headgear. Now we just give them a fancy name.

This soldier is an "operator."

http://germanhelmetsinc.com/lew%20Ayres2.jpg

glock2740
07-03-2010, 05:24
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Amish_Hobo/dont-worry-im-from-the-internet.jpg
:rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
07-03-2010, 05:38
Over the last decade or so every gun/clothing/granola bar company has introduced a line of "tactical" products. They are no different except for the tactical label. At one point in time it was something of a status symbol to have the gun that the proffesionals use. Springfield really pushed this in the advertising for the TRP. Over time the tactical/spec-ops/operator nomenclature has been so watered down that every shooter at the range is dressed like a Blackwater contractor and carrying a "tactical" cell phone pouch. For god's sake, they have tactical canned bacon. So real shooters have shied away from anything that will paint them as a wannabe so they can avoid being lumped in with all the tactical timmies.
Yes, they do have the "Tactical Canned Bacon" and all the silly crap to go along with it. It just gives something for companies to sell to folks with a IQ of a Dormant Tree Frog.

Bill Lumberg
07-03-2010, 06:10
For me, it's because most folks who are interested in and sport these purportedly "tactical" items have no clue about tactics, operators, etc. other than what they see on tv. Back in the day, anything "milspec" was cool. The "milspec" set didn't know or care that there were usually higher quality items on the expedition market. It had to be cool because it was marketed as milspec. Tactical proficiency has more to do with the operator than the weapon. But that's just me. I suspect some have an aversion to related terms because they sound like something that would be used by kelbold/open carry lawncare loser types.

Hokie1911
07-03-2010, 07:36
http://latewire.com/images/fekken_random/Tacticool_870_bling.jpg

paul45
07-03-2010, 08:05
Quick! everyone get your "tactical shoelaces"!!

I desire to be a tactifool! In reality, the Gunny would call me a disgusting fatbody :rofl:

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum6496.php

Glockdude1
07-03-2010, 08:18
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/policestuff_2112_22482179

Tactical Sandals???

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-flip-flop-sandal.html

:rofl:

Cobra64
07-03-2010, 09:59
For me, it's because most folks who are interested in and sport these purportedly "tactical" items have no clue about tactics, operators, etc. other than what they see on tv. Back in the day, anything "milspec" was cool. The "milspec" set didn't know or care that there were usually higher quality items on the expedition market. It had to be cool because it was marketed as milspec. Tactical proficiency has more to do with the operator than the weapon. But that's just me. I suspect some have an aversion to related terms because they sound like something that would be used by kelbold/open carry lawncare loser types.

I know two guys that I would consider "operators." One is a SWAT team leader, the other a contractor over in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don't refer to themselves as "operators." They're marksman first, logistics operations second. Both are fantastic rifle and pistol. shots.

silversport
07-04-2010, 06:15
...and me being low speed and all drag...:faint:
Bill