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ctfireman
07-03-2010, 10:11
I went to a few local shops yesterday & one of the guys was showing me a cheap ($450) 1911 from metro arms??? I never heard of this company but i couldn't believe how smooth the action was & how nice the trigger was for such a cheap gun. Anyone familiar with this gun, if so what can you tell me about it?

*edit* It's the upgraded model, not the standard.

jrs93accord
07-03-2010, 11:01
I went to a few local shops yesterday & one of the guys was showing me a cheap ($450) 1911 from metro arms??? I never heard of this company but i couldn't believe how smooth the action was & how nice the trigger was for such a cheap gun. Anyone familiar with this gun, if so what can you tell me about it?

*edit* It's the upgraded model, not the standard.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3748/dsc00878gd.jpg (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/dsc00878gd.jpg/)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1472/dsc00879if.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/dsc00879if.jpg/)

The Firestorm is a finely crafted product. I have been very pleased with mine. $450 for a Deluxe Model is a good price.

1 old 0311
07-03-2010, 11:39
That is VERY impressive for the price. I will keep an eye out for one!

ctfireman
07-03-2010, 11:54
So basically i should go back & get it. Just wanted to make sure it was nice. I wasn't expecting much from $450 1911, the only thing that made me ask was bc the action was so incredibly smooth. Didn't wanna buy on an impulse & end up with junk.

jrs93accord
07-03-2010, 12:07
So basically i should go back & get it. Just wanted to make sure it was nice. I wasn't expecting much from $450 1911, the only thing that made me ask was bc the action was so incredibly smooth. Didn't wanna buy on an impulse & end up with junk.

Buy it with confidence and enjoy. :supergrin:

sjones
07-03-2010, 12:17
I have one and I love it.I have fired about 1,000 rounds with absolutely no malfunctions at all.The trigger was a little stiff til about 200 rounds went through it,then it smoothed right out.I have fired RN'S,JHP'S,SWC'S,handloads,it doesn't care what it eats.Here is a pic of it.sj

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/sjones62/mynew45013.jpg

Sammael
07-03-2010, 16:33
These look *great* for 450!

Between this model and the RIA Tactical, it would be a hard choice... These seem to be a bit nicer for the money, but then again, I haven't seen them in person.

These are basically the American Classic, aren't they?

bac1023
07-03-2010, 16:40
I went to a few local shops yesterday & one of the guys was showing me a cheap ($450) 1911 from metro arms??? I never heard of this company but i couldn't believe how smooth the action was & how nice the trigger was for such a cheap gun. Anyone familiar with this gun, if so what can you tell me about it?

*edit* It's the upgraded model, not the standard.

Metro build s good 1911.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/001-13.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/004-13.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009-6.jpg



Metro is one of three large Filipino 1911 builders. The other two are Armscor and S.A.M. I have them all and like every one.

ctfireman
07-03-2010, 19:47
Would you guys take this or the springfield mil spec?

bac1023
07-03-2010, 19:59
Would you guys take this or the springfield mil spec?

The Mil Spec is about $200 more.

ctfireman
07-03-2010, 20:11
Around here the metro is $450 & i found a brand new mil spec for $530. What would you get based on those prices bac?

bac1023
07-03-2010, 20:26
Around here the metro is $450 & i found a brand new mil spec for $530. What would you get based on those prices bac?

Are you sure its a Mil Spec and not a GI? :dunno:

Are the slide serrations vertical or slanted?

Mil Specs normally run about $600 for the parked models and $650-$700 for the stainless models.

Sammael
07-03-2010, 22:44
So, is the Firestorm basically the same 1911 as the American Classic II by Metro Arms?

ctfireman
07-03-2010, 23:59
Yeah it's a mil spec. They also have a GI for $499. I thought the milspec was at least $599 normally.

bac1023
07-04-2010, 04:18
So, is the Firestorm basically the same 1911 as the American Classic II by Metro Arms?

Same gun

bac1023
07-04-2010, 04:19
Yeah it's a mil spec. They also have a GI for $499. I thought the milspec was at least $599 normally.

That's a great price for the MS, especially considering its only $30 more than the GI.

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 07:44
The Mil Spec is about $200 more.

And neither are made in the USA. We are talking about 1911s here, I don't understand why is there no desire to buy American.


That being said, I do own one non-US 1911 but the rest are %100 all good 'ole American wood and steel!

Tactical black
07-04-2010, 09:52
And neither are made in the USA. We are talking about 1911s here, I don't understand why is there no desire to buy American.


That being said, I do own one non-US 1911 but the rest are %100 all good 'ole American wood and steel!

I prefer all American 1911's there is just something special about American made and manufactured 1911's but if I was on a low budget I might settle for a foreign made one.

KiloBravo
07-04-2010, 10:05
I have been VERY pleased with my Metro Arms American Classic II, which is what I assume you were looking at. It is the one the first post after your's included in the pics.

It is riding in my holster right this very moment, and has been outstanding with all types of ammo both FMJ and HP ammo. I carry mine stuffed with 200 gr. +P Gold Dots.

Buy it with confidence and enjoy! :wavey:

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 10:07
this thread made me think about what's in my safe!

6-USA

3-Germany

2-Israel

2-Brazil

KiloBravo
07-04-2010, 10:15
this thread made me think about what's in my safe!

6-USA

3-Germany

2-Israel

2-Brazil

Nice array of 1911's well represented by several different parts of the world. :wavey:

jrs93accord
07-04-2010, 12:45
this thread made me think about what's in my safe!

6-USA

3-Germany

2-Israel

2-Brazil

My 1911s breakdown somewhat like this:

United States - 31 (soon to be 32)
Brazil - 1
Israel - 1 (soon to be 2)
China - 2
Spain - 1
Turkey - 1
Phillipines - 9 (soon to be 10)
Argentina - 1

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 13:53
Nice array of 1911's well represented by several different parts of the world. :wavey:

.........only 3 of them are 1911s though!! 2 USA and 1 Brazil. The list is for all the guns in my safe.

bluelineman
07-04-2010, 14:36
My 1911s breakdown somewhat like this:

United States - 31 (soon to be 32)
Brazil - 1
Israel - 1 (soon to be 2)
China - 2
Spain - 1
Turkey - 1
Phillipines - 9 (soon to be 10)
Argentina - 1

:wow: You could give BAC a run for his money. :supergrin:

Nestor
07-04-2010, 16:27
For now it's like:
1 - Austria
1 - Australia
1 - Japan
1 - Italy
2 - USA
1 CZ is on it's way

bac1023
07-04-2010, 16:29
And neither are made in the USA. We are talking about 1911s here, I don't understand why is there no desire to buy American.


That being said, I do own one non-US 1911 but the rest are %100 all good 'ole American wood and steel!

So what FLIPPER, they're good quality guns.

Believe me, I'd rather have one built here, but you can get good quality 1911s built abroad for less money.

bac1023
07-04-2010, 16:33
My 1911s breakdown somewhat like this:

United States - 31 (soon to be 32)
Brazil - 1
Israel - 1 (soon to be 2)
China - 2
Spain - 1
Turkey - 1
Phillipines - 9 (soon to be 10)
Argentina - 1

:wow: You could give BAC a run for his money. :supergrin:


Yes he is.

James will be passing me this year. :cool:

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 16:36
So what FLIPPER, they're good quality guns.

Believe me, I'd rather have one built here, but you can get good quality 1911s built abroad for less money.

I'd choose to pay a more to support American companies and American jobs.

bac1023
07-04-2010, 16:40
I'd choose to pay a more to support American companies and American jobs.

I hear you on that as well and agree. Believe me, I've done more than my share of just that.

However, those that can't afford a new American built model should be able to enjoy a solid 1911.

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 16:48
How much more really is a Colt or Kimber?? It's not like we are talking very much money.

One of the biggest problems we have in America now is that not many folks care about buying American products. We the consumer have caused everything to be made overseas but that's another thread for another forum.

The only firearms I have that are foreign made are versions where there are no American product -- Timberwolf, P7, P-22 ect.

jrs93accord
07-04-2010, 16:53
I'd choose to pay a more to support American companies and American jobs.

And since we are in the United States of America, you are able to make that choice. When it comes down my hard-earned dollars, I want to get the most for my money. If I can buy a gun that is hundreds less in cost that a comparable American-made model, I will buy the one of lesser price. So far, I have not been let down. Remember, a lot of times, you are not paying that extra amount for quality. You are paying for the higher labor costs usually associated with American manufacturers. The way I look at it is, it is my money and I want what is best for me, not a company. :cool:

bac1023
07-04-2010, 16:54
How much more really is a Colt or Kimber??


For someone who wants a new gun, about double the price and then up from there.

There are a few lesser expensive American built models, but they're still $600-$700+.

1 old 0311
07-04-2010, 16:59
All else being equal yea, I will buy American made. BUT I won't pay more for union made products who use MY money to support a President who wants to take away MY rights.

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 17:16
For someone who wants a new gun, about double the price and then up from there.

There are a few lesser expensive American built models, but they're still $600-$700+.

the 1911 in question here is a $450 Metro Arms, are you saying the OP would have to spend $900+ for a comparable American product??

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 17:31
All else being equal yea, I will buy American made. BUT I won't pay more for union made products who use MY money to support a President who wants to take away MY rights.

Which 1911 makers are Union??

Sammael
07-04-2010, 17:38
I agree on buying American, and many years ago, the thought of a non-American made 1911 used to not sit well with me.

That being said, when one can get a RIA tactical for 420 bucks with features like a beavertail safety, skeletonized hammer, lowered ejection port, etc etc - It's mighty hard to beat.

On the other hand, if you can show me an American-made 1911 with all those features AND quality workmanship, AND outstanding customer service for 420 bucks, I will certainly buy one. :)

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 17:45
I agree on buying American, and may years ago, the thought of a non-American made 1911 used to not sit well with me.

:)


Why does it sit well with you now??

Sammael
07-04-2010, 17:46
How much more really is a Colt or Kimber?? It's not like we are talking very much money.

Well, a comparably equipped Colt vs a RIA tactical, you are talking easily twice the price. Yes, you can get Colts for about 300 dollars more than a RIA, but they are plain GI models which would then require about another 150-200 bucks to get the same features, so again it ends up being more than double.

Show me a Colt (or a Kimber for that matter) with similar features to the RIA tactical for under 840 bucks (2x420 - the going rate on a RIA Tac), and I will be very surprised - Not to mention the incredible reputation RIA has for Customer Service - The Philippine 1911s are pretty much a no-brainer.

Don't get me wrong - if you want to buy me a nice US-made 1911 and ship it my way, I would certainly rather have that than any non-US 1911... but until that happens, I want the absolute most for my money, which unfortunately rules out most US-made 1911s. The Philippine guns are very hard to beat for getting the most 'bang for the buck'.

Sammael
07-04-2010, 17:47
Why does it sit well with you now??

...when one can get a RIA tactical for 420 bucks with features like a beavertail safety, skeletonized hammer, lowered ejection port, etc etc - It's mighty hard to beat.

On the other hand, if you can show me an American-made 1911 with all those features AND quality workmanship, AND outstanding customer service for 420 bucks, I will certainly buy one. :)

I thought the above post pretty much summed it up.

:dunno:

bac1023
07-04-2010, 17:59
the 1911 in question here is a $450 Metro Arms, are you saying the OP would have to spend $900+ for a comparable American product??

Yes.

The cheapest Kimbers run about $800.

As for enhanced Colts, you're talking more than that.

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 18:05
The Philippine guns are very hard to beat for getting the most 'bang for the buck'.

Note made in America so not my thing, more of them for the rest of you!


So it's price comparison that makes it sit well with you now? I hope you will not be upset when the day comes that no American companies are making production 1911s

bac1023
07-04-2010, 18:25
I hope you will not be upset when the day comes that no American companies are making production 1911s


Will never happen Flipper.

Kimber sells more 1911s than any other company in the world. They're just a good deal more expensive than what you can buy from the Philippines.

FLIPPER 348
07-04-2010, 18:47
If I did not build my own (from all US components) I would buy the Kimber over the PI.

bac1023
07-04-2010, 18:53
If I did not build my own (from all US components) I would buy the Kimber over the PI.

You're missing the point, Flipper.

Some can't afford to spend that much on a Kimber. Either that or they may just not want to. It may be their first 1911. :dunno:

lawdog734
07-04-2010, 19:10
I bought a kimber raptor from their "custom shop" and I have nothing but problems. Colts aren't exactly known for great quality control either lately. The US companies should step up their quality or they are going to get passed up by these other companies.

KiloBravo
07-04-2010, 19:56
.........only 3 of them are 1911s though!! 2 USA and 1 Brazil. The list is for all the guns in my safe.

Ohhhh, okay. My apologies then. I had just mis-understood.

KiloBravo
07-04-2010, 19:58
Some can't afford to spend that much on a Kimber. Either that or they may just not want to. It may be their first 1911. :dunno:

And this was exactly the reason why I selected the same one mentioned in this thread as my first 1911. I was unsure how well I would like the platform without ever owning one before. So, I decided to consult with you and a few others on here on the best bang for the buck entry level gun, and decided on that one.

So far, I love it and have not been dissapointed. I also trust my life to it every day God forbid I needed to use it for what it was designed for. :cool:

Sammael
07-04-2010, 20:11
Which one did you decide on, DeerPredator? Just to clarify, as there have been a few mentioned in this thread, but I am assuming the Firestorm?

KiloBravo
07-04-2010, 20:32
Which one did you decide on, DeerPredator? Just to clarify, as there have been a few mentioned in this thread, but I am assuming the Firestorm?

According to my Yoda named Bac, Firestorm and Metro Arms American Classic are one in the same. Just a different rollmark on the slide.

I was very impressed with mine overall, and still am to this day. It is starting to show some cool holster wear now because it has been carried so much. It shoots everything from my hand loads to the hottest HP ammo without a hitch. Being that it is a steel framed weapon, it soaks up most of the felt recoil.

I think I paid just over $400 for mine before taxes and paperwork.

jethro21
07-04-2010, 22:15
I would also love to buy American, but I have found that my Filet Mignon taste has to be put aside for my Mcdonalds budget.

I have owned an American made 1911 (AMT), but that of course isn't a fair comparison of what the US offers.

I recently have been looking at compact/commander/cco's. CCOs are minimum a grand. Except for the occasional Colt 1991 with a ton of mileage, I can't touch a commander for under $800. Same goes with a compact. Dan Wesson, Kimber, STI....not affordable for me, even though I drool over them constantly.

So what did I do? I bought a compact from a company that has already been good to me, that is in my price range for my current budget, RIA.

If (big if with our current D.C. dopes) my finacial picture changes, a few American made 1911s are on my short list, but until then I will settle for a good quality built, super customer service Foreign made pistol.

jrs93accord
07-05-2010, 12:02
I would also love to buy American, but I have found that my Filet Mignon taste has to be put aside for my Mcdonalds budget.

I have owned an American made 1911 (AMT), but that of course isn't a fair comparison of what the US offers.

I recently have been looking at compact/commander/cco's. CCOs are minimum a grand. Except for the occasional Colt 1991 with a ton of mileage, I can't touch a commander for under $800. Same goes with a compact. Dan Wesson, Kimber, STI....not affordable for me, even though I drool over them constantly.

So what did I do? I bought a compact from a company that has already been good to me, that is in my price range for my current budget, RIA.

If (big if with our current D.C. dopes) my finacial picture changes, a few American made 1911s are on my short list, but until then I will settle for a good quality built, super customer service Foreign made pistol.

I do own several American-made 1911s. Most of them I have bought used. That is how you get some of the best bargains. I have been very fortunate finding used 1911s for a decent price. For example, I am buying a nice Kimber Classic Custom II from a guy in Ohio for $620 shipped. It takes a lot of looking and patience, not to mention a seller who is willing to unload a gun at a reduced value.

Nestor
07-05-2010, 13:00
I do own several American-made 1911s. Most of them I have bought used. That is how you get some of the best bargains. I have been very fortunate finding used 1911s for a decent price. For example, I am buying a nice Kimber Classic Custom II from a guy in Ohio for $620 shipped. It takes a lot of looking and patience, not to mention a seller who is willing to unload a gun at a reduced value.

While it's a great way of saving your money at the start it may not be the same case in the long run.
"Excellent condition" often means hundreds if not thousands of the rounds thru the pipe.
Some "excellent" guns out there are nothing, but beaters.
The risk is all yours and the final costs are uncertain.
Buying new, you have a warranty at least.
IMO the best deal is to buy used, but unfired firearm - again, not exactly a common thing to come across.
Most of the folks simply can't buy a basic model of 1911 for $800 or $1000.
Sadly - that's the reality if You are on the market for US made 1911 (it's even worse here - in Canada).
Maybe I'm wrong, but when comparing to some other all steel designs this particular platform seems to be way overpriced.
Great pistol...not so great price.
Well...You can't have everything.

bac1023
07-05-2010, 13:35
Maybe I'm wrong, but when comparing to some other all steel designs this particular platform seems to be way overpriced.
Great pistol...not so great price.
Well...You can't have everything.


Not really overpriced. Its just that the 1911 requires more handfitting and/or machining than just about every other pistol. You're going to pay for a quality example.

FLIPPER 348
07-05-2010, 14:05
ok, I see your guy's point, the inexpensive foreign 1911s fill a need that the US manufactured ones are not filling for whatever reason. I just hate buying foreign stuff when there is a US made alternative.

Sammael
07-05-2010, 14:25
I just hate buying foreign stuff when there is a US made alternative.

As do I, but when it comes to 1911s in a certain price range, unfortunately the US alternatives are really no alternative at all...

I would love to be able to give my money to a US-based company, but with labor and manufacturing costs being so much higher here in the states, that makes an equivalent 1911 literally twice as much... so the only real alternative is one of the excellent Philippine-made pistols.

I would love nothing more than for a US-based company to give them a run for their (and my) money, but sadly, I just don't see that happening.

KiloBravo
07-05-2010, 15:41
ok, I see your guy's point, the inexpensive foreign 1911s fill a need that the US manufactured ones are not filling for whatever reason. I just hate buying foreign stuff when there is a US made alternative.

Take my word for it when I say this Sir...I do everything in my power to help support this wonderful country of our's. However, whenever there are other companies possible located outside of the US that are selling a great product at a much lower price, I am willing to buy that item. I am not saying I do that with everything, but when it comes to saving anywhere from $400-$600 on a single firearm, I will jump on that opportunity.

sjones
07-05-2010, 15:52
If I could have bought american with all the upgrades that my american classic has for the same price $450 OTD,and the same performance then I would have.Just like cars,for years I drove an accord because the american cars couldn't match it,now they can.Thats why I'm driving a chevy malibu now.I go for the best bang for the buck. sj

bac1023
07-05-2010, 16:04
Take my word for it when I say this Sir...I do everything in my power to help support this wonderful country of our's. However, whenever there are other companies possible located outside of the US that are selling a great product at a much lower price, I am willing to buy that item. I am not saying I do that with everything, but when it comes to saving anywhere from $400-$600 on a single firearm, I will jump on that opportunity.

Yeah, when the savings is that much, its hard to justify American.

jrs93accord
07-05-2010, 16:42
One thing to be mindful of is that the Phillipines has been producing firearms for decades. Armscor has been the frontrunner. These guys are good at what they do and they work for small wages while doing it. It is a shame that Norinco and Polytech can no longer be imported. The Norinco 1911-A1 is a fantastic pistol. The Polytech M14S is a superb rifle itself. Even the Turkish-made IAC Regent 1911-A1 is an outstanding 1911. Just because it is foreign-made does not mean that it is lacking in quality. These companies have done their homework.

Nestor
07-05-2010, 17:03
I believe that Armscor is the only company from Philippines that has the right to use the ISO 9001 quality sign on their products.
It means a lot to me, because I know how this system works.
If I will be on a market for $600-700 1911 (yes that's what we consider here as a "cheap" 1911) I'm going to buy RIA Tactical 5".
Otherwise I like Trojan from STI (around $1200-1300 here).
I wanted a Colt badly, but I just can't justify spending $1500 for it right now.

KiloBravo
07-05-2010, 17:24
Yeah, when the savings is that much, its hard to justify American.

Absolutley Yoda! I am thankful to have had you and a few others walk me through my first 1911 purchase. I could not be happier. :supergrin:

bac1023
07-05-2010, 17:29
If I will be on a market for $600-700 1911 (yes that's what we consider here as a "cheap" 1911) I'm going to buy RIA Tactical 5".


That's considered cheap in the states too.

98_1LE
07-05-2010, 19:10
Would you choose a new Filipino 1911 over a well cared for $400 Norinco?

jrs93accord
07-05-2010, 19:14
Would you choose a new Filipino 1911 over a well cared for $400 Norinco?

That is a very good question. My answer would be the well-cared-for Norinco for $400. You can always buy a new Filipino 1911. Nice Norincos are hard to come by. I am fortunate enough to have two of them.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/001-8.jpg

bac1023
07-05-2010, 19:58
Would you choose a new Filipino 1911 over a well cared for $400 Norinco?

I guess because they're easier to find.