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Ronny
07-04-2010, 07:15
I don't. I'm doing something about it. With S&W holdings trading under 7 PE it seems fairly enough priced that I bought some shares Friday. I'll be sending a letter to the board of directors and senior officers asking them to make internal locks on their revolver brand optional because I believe it's hurting corporate profits. If other gun owners do the same... Buy a few shares, then write a letter. Heck, we could even go to the annual meeting and bring it up there. The message has to get through.

bac1023
07-06-2010, 07:25
I just buy the older Smiths.

I like them better anyway. ;)

Zombie Steve
07-06-2010, 08:48
Go get 'em, Ronny!

bac1023
07-15-2010, 08:24
Go get 'em, Ronny!

:rofl:

AZ_Quailhunter
08-06-2010, 12:16
Power to the people, AND the shareholders!! go, go go......

pitt1011
08-06-2010, 18:34
I don't. I'm doing something about it. With S&W holdings trading under 7 PE it seems fairly enough priced that I bought some shares Friday. I'll be sending a letter to the board of directors and senior officers asking them to make internal locks on their revolver brand optional because I believe it's hurting corporate profits. If other gun owners do the same... Buy a few shares, then write a letter. Heck, we could even go to the annual meeting and bring it up there. The message has to get through.


Not a bad idea.

Texas357
08-06-2010, 21:53
So, how many shares are in circulation these days?

PlasticGuy
08-09-2010, 10:02
This actually is a pretty good idea. They won't listen to would-be customers, but maybe they will listen to share holders. Maybe.

bac1023
08-09-2010, 17:42
This actually is a pretty good idea. They won't listen to would-be customers, but maybe they will listen to share holders. Maybe.

That would be nice. :dunno:

AZ_Quailhunter
08-17-2010, 13:43
that is a great idea.....but just go to youtube and there are a ton of videos that show how to disable and remove the stupid lock.

TPK
08-17-2010, 13:54
Sorry folks .. I guess I'm missing the issue ... you don't like the internal lock, so don't use it. What is there that is beyond that? Do they cause an issue cleaning or otherwisde "working on" your pistol?

bac1023
08-19-2010, 04:30
Sorry folks .. I guess I'm missing the issue ... you don't like the internal lock, so don't use it. What is there that is beyond that? Do they cause an issue cleaning or otherwisde "working on" your pistol?

You are missing the issue.

They're ugly as sin and have been known to cause problems with the function of the revolver, regardless whether you use it or not.

Frankly, I also don't care for the whole idea behind it either.



Make mine without the lock. :whistling:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/006-2.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/002-1.jpg

ALL GLOCK
08-19-2010, 08:59
None of mine have locks.............

Poohgyrr
08-21-2010, 18:06
My main difficulty concerns reputable reports of lock malfunctions on carry revolvers - like the airweights, airlights, and the standard steel framed 2" to 4" wheelguns. The design, manufacture, and quality control processes have to incorporate a zero per cent tolerance for lock malfunctions.

Carry guns, meant to save your life, simply cannot have locks that engage when they are not supposed to.

Corporate lawyers know this, and that some places say you cannot remove or disable the lock.

Some new revolvers have features not found in the older guns.

TPK
08-23-2010, 09:37
You are missing the issue.

They're ugly as sin and have been known to cause problems with the function of the revolver, regardless whether you use it or not.

Frankly, I also don't care for the whole idea behind it either.

Ah, OK, well I'm new to revolvers so was curious. I only have the one (at the moment) S&W 500 and it has the internal lock. The only problem I've had to date (nothing to do witht the internal lock) is the brass I'm re-loading is getting on and the primers are backing out a little (they are running I believe is the term). Not a lot but enough to be a pain.

bac1023
08-24-2010, 18:59
Ah, OK, well I'm new to revolvers so was curious. I only have the one (at the moment) S&W 500 and it has the internal lock. The only problem I've had to date (nothing to do witht the internal lock) is the brass I'm re-loading is getting on and the primers are backing out a little (they are running I believe is the term). Not a lot but enough to be a pain.

I have an X-Frame with the lock as well, but with that model I had no choice.

cowboywannabe
08-24-2010, 19:34
S&W is now owned a LOCK Company, they wont be removing their LOCK anytime soon.

thats why i own about a dozen none locked S&W revolvers and NO Locked ones, and never will.

NMPOPS
09-02-2010, 23:10
Sorry folks .. I guess I'm missing the issue ... you don't like the internal lock, so don't use it. What is there that is beyond that? Do they cause an issue cleaning or otherwisde "working on" your pistol?

Exactly, I just ignore them.

ColCol
09-05-2010, 14:18
I've been in love with the 3 inch 686+ for a month now but can't seem to get past the "Hillary Hole". It bugs me that there's a possibility it'll cause problems at the worse possible time. S&W should have never done this.

Retired Squid
09-19-2010, 13:06
Send John Whitt (aka Bullseye Smith on S&W Forum (http://smith-wessonforum.com/accessories-misc-sale-trade/143299-fs-plug.html)) $25 and let him know you need plug for J, L, or N frame and if blued or stainless steel.

John Whitt
P.O.Box 310
Windfield, WV 25213

I've bought 3 off of him and they work.

1 old 0311
09-19-2010, 13:17
Send John Whitt (aka Bullseye Smith on S&W Forum (http://smith-wessonforum.com/accessories-misc-sale-trade/143299-fs-plug.html)) $25 and let him know you need plug for J, L, or N frame and if blued or stainless steel.

John Whitt
P.O.Box 310
Windfield, WV 25213

I've bought 3 off of him and they work.

How does it look with the plug? Thanks.

Retired Squid
09-19-2010, 14:32
Before and after, you be the judge. I forgot to de-shine the plug to match the gun, but it's not a big deal to me.

Before
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/SANY0022.jpg

After
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/SANY0025.jpg

Glock940
09-19-2010, 14:32
With the plug....


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/TorqueO/060.jpg

1 old 0311
09-19-2010, 14:40
Looks better than the hole.

Retired Squid
09-19-2010, 14:42
If you can rough up the plug to get a better match with some emory paper. I have done four guns of my own and forgot to rough up the serface every time, guess old age is raising its ugly head.

Super Trucker
09-19-2010, 16:25
Sorry folks .. I guess I'm missing the issue ... you don't like the internal lock, so don't use it. What is there that is beyond that? Do they cause an issue cleaning or otherwisde "working on" your pistol?

Some of the locks break and lock the gun without you using the key. It might only be a one in one million chance but I have seen it with my own eyes, it does happen. If you need to defend yourself and the lock is locked, then what? Do you want to be that one in a million, I don't?

I just remove the lock, it takes about 10 minutes.

Retired Squid
09-19-2010, 17:01
First two lock S&W guns I bought locked up during firing, one after one shot and the other after several cylinders full fired.

I currently own two new model N frame Smith's and they have the locks removed. The first thing done to a new Smith revolver after test firing is lock removal and install the plug.

Over on S&W Forum there is a special "sticky thread" covering the cases of lock failures. And S&W is now doing some revolver models without the IL and some of the M&P guns as well are offered w/o locks.

hk_shootr
09-25-2010, 10:55
Simply detail strip the S&W. Remove the lock bellcrank.
Grind the two small nubs off the bellcrank and reassemble.

It LOOKS factory, buth there is no way it can be engaged or jam.
The other option is simply NOT to purchase a "lock model"

I sent funds off today for a NO-LOCK 642. :supergrin:

XNDR17C
09-25-2010, 17:37
Removing the lock on the ILS Centennial models leaves two holes, a large hole where the lock was, and a smaller hole that is used as a pivot or anchor point for the internal lock mechanism. To any Centennial owners who have removed the lock, did you do anything with the smaller hole?

Nestor
09-27-2010, 17:55
None of my S&W is locked, but seriously...it doesn't matter to me.
If I will come across a nice revolver with the lock I'm going to buy it anyway.

Glock26z
09-27-2010, 23:33
I got a S&W M625-8 with the lock and I have used the lock and unlocked it and,,,,, it hasnt locked uped on its own yet. I shoot moonclipped and auto-rim[hot] loads thru it.