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willis68
07-07-2010, 12:34
I have always said that I would not pay the price for a Springfield Pro because they use MIM parts. Well I got to shoot one the other day and I have absolutely changed my mind. They are a damn fine 1911 and I will definitely get one :cool:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 12:42
They are outstanding 1911s, as with anything that comes out of Springfield Custom. :cool:

Tactical black
07-07-2010, 12:44
Which parts are mim anyways?

willis68
07-07-2010, 12:46
Bac,

I have another 1911 to pay off first, but after that I will either Buy the Pro or a Les Baer SRP 1.5 in hard chrome. This will be a tough choice I know I will end up owning both, I just have to figure out which I want first :supergrin:

BlayGlock
07-07-2010, 12:58
Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis!?!

Ive got a Custom Carry on order. Yesterday I was told it would be about another 8 weeks. /sigh. SA Custom Shop build some nice guns.

willis68
07-07-2010, 13:58
Which parts are mim anyways?



-mag catch
-beavertail grip safety
-slide stop

majette
07-07-2010, 14:50
i dont see the big deal about mim parts. if they are quality parts, what's the problem? i have a sa mc operator and have seen no reason to replace mim parts used in it. hk uses mim parts and no one berates them for it. anyone have any data on widespread mim parts breakage? also, since we are on a glock forum, are there any glock mim parts? issues with same?

or is it 1911 snobbery to say one would not own a 1911 built with, gasp!, mim parts?

the pro was tested to a minimum of 20k rounds to meet the FBI requirements. if people in law enforcement carry it daily to protect themselves with it having some mim parts i am sure it will hold up to range use, daily carry, or being kept as a safe queen. buy the pro and shoot it. if i could afford one i would...

bac1023
07-07-2010, 15:26
or is it 1911 snobbery to say one would not own a 1911 built with, gasp!, mim parts?



Its not snobbery at all, in my opinion. I have dozens of 1911s with MIM parts and while I don't shoot as much as I would like, I've never had a problem with any of them.

That being said, as good as Springfield Custom is, most of us would prefer $2500 1911s to be MIM-free.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 15:39
Bac,

I have another 1911 to pay off first, but after that I will either Buy the Pro or a Les Baer SRP 1.5 in hard chrome. This will be a tough choice I know I will end up owning both, I just have to figure out which I want first :supergrin:

Willis, have you ever considered a TGO1?

While their retail is high, they usually sell for just slightly more than the Pro and its one of the best 1911s I own.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1673.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1676.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/008-5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/010-3.jpg

willis68
07-07-2010, 16:26
Willis, have you ever considered a TGO1?

While their retail is high, they usually sell for just slightly more than the Pro and its one of the best 1911s I own.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1673.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1676.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/008-5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/010-3.jpg

They are nice, I did get a chance to buy one a few years ago. I turned a good deal down I am not much into target sights, I like the 1911's set up for self defense I had a few Ed Brown target pistols that I ended up selling.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 16:33
They are nice, I did get a chance to buy one a few years ago. I turned a good deal down I am not much into target sights, I like the 1911's set up for self defense I had a few Ed Brown target pistols that I ended up selling.

I hear you.

The TGO1 is certainly geared towards target/competition use.

SuHu
07-07-2010, 16:37
They probably show up on gunbroker once a month or so, but it is hit or miss whether not it will be new, used, or really used. Otherwise you're going to be waiting a year if you order one.

I got lucky and should have my 2001 manufactured Pro in a few days.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 16:44
I got lucky and should have my 2001 manufactured Pro in a few days.

Congrats!

I think that was before any MIM was used at all.

My TGO1 was built in 2002, I believe. Its an early model, Serial # 44.









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SuHu
07-07-2010, 16:53
Congrats!

I think that was before any MIM was used at all.

My TGO1 was built in 2002, I believe.


Thanks. :)

It is also one digit off (CRG 1084) of the one reviewed by Handguns FBI SWAT's most wanted article.

willis68
07-07-2010, 17:28
Thanks. :)

It is also one digit off (CRG 1084) of the one reviewed by Handguns FBI SWAT's most wanted article.

Congrats man, Please post pictures when you receive it :cool:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 17:48
Thanks. :)

It is also one digit off (CRG 1084) of the one reviewed by Handguns FBI SWAT's most wanted article.



Very cool :cool:

MD357
07-07-2010, 21:46
or is it 1911 snobbery to say one would not own a 1911 built with, gasp!, mim parts?

The longer one shoots and owns "custom" 1911s they realize that a $2600 gun shouldn't have mim in critical parts. (i.e. SS)

Another thing that bothers me is that they no longer use Nowlin barrels. I don't mind the changes that much, I just think they are using cost cutting measures and the price is still rising.

The Pro is a fine shooting weapon for sure but I'd rather find a used one made back 5-6 years ago if I were looking for one.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 21:50
The longer one shoots and owns "custom" 1911s they realize that a $2600 gun shouldn't have mim in critical parts. (i.e. SS)

Another thing that bothers me is that they no longer use Nowlin barrels. I don't mind the changes that much, I just think they are using cost cutting measures and the price is still rising.

The Pro is a fine shooting weapon for sure but I'd rather find a used one made back 5-6 years ago if I were looking for one.



I wonder if the Nowlin barrel is still used in the TGO1?

MD357
07-07-2010, 21:54
I wonder if the Nowlin barrel is still used in the TGO1?

Couldn't tell ya, the Nowlin barrel switch took place a little over a year ago I believe and you can apparently still order them through the custom shop.

To be honest, I don't doubt SA's stock barrels, however it's a cost cutting measure that will be disguised for "inconsistency" issues.

Glockdude1
07-07-2010, 21:57
Hey Willis,

You will need to change your avatar once you buy that Springfield........ :supergrin:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 21:59
To be honest, I don't doubt SA's stock barrels, however it's a cost cutting measure that will be disguised for "inconsistency" issues.

Is that what they're using in the Pro now?

The stock SA barrel from the TRP? Wow.

Not that its a big deal or even makes much of a difference, but you'd expect a premium barrel in a 1911 like the Pro as standard.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 22:00
Hey Willis,

You will need to change your avatar once you buy that Springfield........ :supergrin:

:rofl:

MD357
07-07-2010, 22:04
Is that what they're using in the Pro now?

The stock SA barrel from the TRP? Wow.

Not that its a big deal or even makes much of a difference, but you'd expect a premium barrel in a 1911 like the Pro as standard.

I actually dunno if it's the same barrel to be honest, but that's an excellent question. I just meant stock as in what they turn in-house.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 22:12
I actually dunno if it's the same barrel to be honest, but that's an excellent question. I just meant stock as in what they turn in-house.

It probably is. :upeyes:

I always felt build quality and barrel lockup had more to do with accuracy than the barrel itself, but still..

MD357
07-07-2010, 22:21
It probably is. :upeyes:

I always felt build quality and barrel lockup had more to do with accuracy than the barrel itself, but still..

No doubt that it does have everything to do with the fit and they do a top notch job. Again, I just don't like that the price keeps going up and the parts are becoming less "premium" IMHO.

For $2600 you can scale into a Wilson CQB Elite which uses all of their bulletproof parts..... even the GS.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 22:34
For $2600 you can scale into a Wilson CQB Elite which uses all of their bulletproof parts..... even the GS.

I've always preferred Springfield Custom over Wilson, generally speaking. However, if Wilson is using higher grade parts, more power to them.

SuHu
07-07-2010, 22:52
Keep in mind Springfield cannot make changes to the pistol without approval of FBI. Any changes made to the pistol still must meet the accuracy and durability requirements of that agency. That is directly from Deb at Springfield.

Good enough for me.

MD357
07-08-2010, 00:42
Keep in mind Springfield cannot make changes to the pistol without approval of FBI. Any changes made to the pistol still must meet the accuracy and durability requirements of that agency. That is directly from Deb at Springfield.

Good enough for me.

Cool, can you show me the accuracy tests for the new barrels opposed to the Nowlins? I'm curious.

SuHu
07-08-2010, 00:43
Cool, can you show me the accuracy tests for the new barrels opposed to the Nowlins? I'm curious.

That'd be a question for Springfield Custom, wouldn't you think?

MD357
07-08-2010, 00:59
That'd be a question for Springfield Custom, wouldn't you think?

Since you were relaying what Deb said I just figured you had some info? :cool: Did you talk to her or was this something you read on the internet. Again just curious.

Rinspeed
07-08-2010, 04:40
The longer one shoots and owns "custom" 1911s they realize that a $2600 gun shouldn't have mim in critical parts. (i.e. SS)

Another thing that bothers me is that they no longer use Nowlin barrels. I don't mind the changes that much, I just think they are using cost cutting measures and the price is still rising.



The reason they quite using Nowlin barrels is because they suck just like all the other 416 SS barrels. Do a search for split 1911 barrel you'll find most of them are SS. Being a contract gun I doubt it was SAs decision for the change.

drc767
07-08-2010, 04:56
Keep in mind Springfield cannot make changes to the pistol without approval of FBI. Any changes made to the pistol still must meet the accuracy and durability requirements of that agency. That is directly from Deb at Springfield.

Good enough for me.

My guess is they can make any changes they deem necessary to the pistols that go to the general public. The contract pistols just have to meet or exceed the original specs of the FBI contract.

MADBMW
07-08-2010, 08:09
My custom carry, which was built in Feb,2009 came with the new Springfield barrel as opposed to the Nowlin. It's not one of Springfield's stock barrels, nor the same one they use in the TRP. It is a custom shop NM barrel, and is marked NM .45 ACP on the barrel hood. All in all, mine is a tack driver. I don't have a pro, but the custom carry is built to the exact same specs as the pro, just minus the black-t, ambi safety and mag well.

willis68
07-08-2010, 08:17
No doubt that it does have everything to do with the fit and they do a top notch job. Again, I just don't like that the price keeps going up and the parts are becoming less "premium" IMHO.

For $2600 you can scale into a Wilson CQB Elite which uses all of their bulletproof parts..... even the GS.

I had en Elite, I like the Ed Browns better :cool:

samuse
07-08-2010, 08:57
i dont see the big deal about mim parts. if they are quality parts, what's the problem? also, since we are on a glock forum, are there any glock mim parts? issues with same?


I'm not sure if Glock uses MIM or not. If they did, it would just be the slide and locking block.:supergrin: Everything else is plastic or stamped from sheet metal:rofl: Well, 2 of the three pins in a Glock are metal, so I suppose they could possibly be MIM.

MD357
07-08-2010, 10:05
The reason they quite using Nowlin barrels is because they suck just like all the other 416 SS barrels. Do a search for split 1911 barrel you'll find most of them are SS. Being a contract gun I doubt it was SAs decision for the change.

All SS barrels suck? Better call Barsto and tell them that. :supergrin: and Ed Brown.... and even the "NM" replacement is reported to be Stainless. Sorry, I'm not buying that considering the reputation of those that use stainless barrels.

It's funny how Nowlins have lasted for years of abuse by the FBI, but now all of a sudden they suck. I guess those old forged SSs springer used to use on the first Pros suck too. :whistling:

MD357
07-08-2010, 10:07
My custom carry, which was built in Feb,2009 came with the new Springfield barrel as opposed to the Nowlin. It's not one of Springfield's stock barrels, nor the same one they use in the TRP. It is a custom shop NM barrel, and is marked NM .45 ACP on the barrel hood. All in all, mine is a tack driver. I don't have a pro, but the custom carry is built to the exact same specs as the pro, just minus the black-t, ambi safety and mag well.

How is the barrel different from a TRP barrel? I don't doubt that there is a difference, I'm just curious as to what it is.

Rinspeed
07-08-2010, 10:42
All SS barrels suck?

It's funny how Nowlins have lasted for years of abuse by the FBI, but now all of a sudden they suck. I guess those old forged SSs springer used to use on the first Pros suck too.




I didn't say all SS barrels suck now did I. How would you, or anyone else outside of SA, know how many barrels the FBI has had issues with. They didn't move away from Nowlin for the fun of it now did they. :dunno: You don't go through all the hassle to switch components on a government contract weapon to save $20. :upeyes: Think about it.

MD357
07-08-2010, 10:49
I didn't say all SS barrels suck now did I. How would you, or anyone else outside of SA, know how many barrels the FBI has had issues with. They didn't move away from Nowlin for the fun of it now did they. :dunno: You don't go through all the hassle to switch components on a government contract weapon to save $20. :upeyes: Think about it.

Exactly, in fact we have no idea. As to the fun of it, I believe that they prefer in house parts, which is fine, but I'd like a straight answer. Also if you started using barrels that are used on other guns that you have in house, you'd save WAY more than $20. That goes for slide stops too.

Now, help me out here.... what kind of steel does Barsto use and how is it different from Nowlin?

SuHu
07-08-2010, 12:46
Leeetle too much speculation going on here guys. This is per email convo I had with her. I don't suggest shooting every willy nilly question her way as she has better things to do, but some things are worth asking the source.



Deb,

I noticed that my Professional has a Nowlin barrel, but the newer Professional barrels are Springfield manufactured. Do the new barrels have to be approved by the FBI and shown to meet their specifications? Sorry for the questions, I am really interested in the history of these pistols. The history behind them is one of the many reasons why I purchased one!

Thanks,

SF





Yes, the FBI did extensive testing on the new barrels before we starting using them in the Professional models. The Springfield Custom match barrels met or exceeded all of their expectations.







Deb

Springfield Custom

Springfield Inc.

420 West Main St.

Geneseo, IL 61254

800-680-6866, ext. 8920

800-617-6751

customshop@springfield-armory.com

willis68
07-08-2010, 12:52
Hey Willis,

You will need to change your avatar once you buy that Springfield........ :supergrin:

Been meaning to do that for a while, thanks for reminding me :supergrin:

willis68
07-08-2010, 13:04
The thing is, I have liked these pistols since they came out. I will most definitely buy a Government 1911 after my Executive carry is paid off and it will either be the Pro or the Les Baer SRP. I know that I will get both pistols but I am leaning towards the Pro first as it will cost me $500.00 less than the SRP that I want. I already own a Les Baer but I have never owned a Springfield Custom 1911 and in my opinion the Pro is the best defensive one that they make. I will buy a new in Box one without the rail:cool:

MD357
07-08-2010, 13:22
Leeetle too much speculation going on here guys. This is per email convo I had with her. I don't suggest shooting every willy nilly question her way as she has better things to do, but some things are worth asking the source.

So via your email you own a Springfield Pro with a Nowlin barrel, how many rounds does it have through it?

SuHu
07-08-2010, 13:24
So via your email you own a Springfield Pro with a Nowlin barrel, how many rounds does it have through it?


I'll actually be receiving it in a day or so. The dealer said it looks to have a very low round count, so it'll be a bit before I can report how the Nowlin does after x thousands of rounds.

MADBMW
07-08-2010, 17:57
How is the barrel different from a TRP barrel? I don't doubt that there is a difference, I'm just curious as to what it is.

All I know is that the TRP barrels are a more mass produced item. The NM barrels used by the custom shop are built either for them or by them to their NM specs. I don't know what those specs are, but it was my assumption based on e-mail responses (to other peoples questions) from Deb at Springfield Custom that the custom shop NM barrels are different than the barrels on the TRP which is a mass produced gun. I would assume this also includes the fit to bushing, lugs and barrel hood.

SuHu
07-08-2010, 17:59
It is good to know that there wasn't anything wrong with the Nowlins that were used on existing Professionals. Sounds like what Wilson Combat did with their slides, frames, and barrels.



Very neat. I am a bit of a high volume shooter, so is there anything I should watch out for with the Nowlin barrel? Was there something wrong with them?

Thanks,

SF


No, not a thing. With our manufacture of the barrel, we can be assured of the exact specifications, quality control, and delivery times of the barrels.







Deb

Springfield Custom
Springfield Inc.
420 West Main St.
Geneseo, IL 61254
800-680-6866, ext. 8920
800-617-6751
customshop@springfield-armory.com

bac1023
07-08-2010, 18:30
Been meaning to do that for a while, thanks for reminding me :supergrin:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

SuHu
07-08-2010, 18:49
Fottergrafs as requested:


http://survival.host56.com/main.php?cmd=imageorig&var1=Pro%2Fpro2.jpg


http://survival.host56.com/main.php?cmd=imageorig&var1=Pro%2Fpro1.jpg

willis68
07-08-2010, 18:54
Fottergrafs as requested:


http://survival.host56.com/main.php?cmd=imageorig&var1=Pro%2Fpro2.jpg


http://survival.host56.com/main.php?cmd=imageorig&var1=Pro%2Fpro1.jpg

Very nice:cool:

bac1023
07-08-2010, 19:59
Nice Pro :)

MD357
07-08-2010, 22:19
I'll actually be receiving it in a day or so. The dealer said it looks to have a very low round count, so it'll be a bit before I can report how the Nowlin does after x thousands of rounds.

Nice find you have there. Might wanna switch out the barrel before it explodes. :cool:

SuHu
07-08-2010, 22:59
Nice find you have there. Might wanna switch out the barrel before it explodes. :cool:


:supergrin:

Rinspeed
07-09-2010, 04:36
Nice find you have there. Might wanna switch out the barrel before it explodes. :cool:



You mean like this PRO barrel.




http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/PROBarrel.jpg

bac1023
07-09-2010, 06:06
:wow:

willis68
07-09-2010, 07:00
You mean like this PRO barrel.




http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/PROBarrel.jpg

Details??????

brisk21
07-09-2010, 09:18
You mean like this PRO barrel.




http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/PROBarrel.jpg


Hey, wasnt this barrel outsourced to Glock??:rofl:

bac1023
07-09-2010, 09:24
Hey, wasnt this barrel outsourced to Glock??:rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

MD357
07-09-2010, 09:35
You mean like this PRO barrel.




http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/PROBarrel.jpg

Surely there must be a link so we can get more info? Also, I notice you ignored my Barsto question. Why is that? :supergrin:

Kinny
07-09-2010, 10:06
My guess is they can make any changes they deem necessary to the pistols that go to the general public. The contract pistols just have to meet or exceed the original specs of the FBI contract.

Problem with that is the gunsmiths who assemble the Pros never know which will go to FBI and which will go to the general public. They are all made the same way regardless on where it end up.

drc767
07-09-2010, 10:31
Problem with that is the gunsmiths who assemble the Pros never know which will go to FBI and which will go to the general public. They are all made the same way regardless on where it end up.

I would bet they pay "extra" attention to the FBI builds. As a matter of fact, I would say they have specific smiths that work the contract pistols.

Todesengel
07-09-2010, 10:44
Its not snobbery at all, in my opinion. I have dozens of 1911s with MIM parts and while I don't shoot as much as I would like, I've never had a problem with any of them.

That being said, as good as Springfield Custom is, most of us would prefer $2500 1911s to be MIM-free.

ditto; substituting those 3 parts with quality bar-stock parts shouldn't cost them more then 40 bucks.

Kinny
07-09-2010, 11:18
I would bet they pay "extra" attention to the FBI builds. As a matter of fact, I would say they have specific smiths that work the contract pistols.

If that's what you believe. I'm thinking otherwise. I'm sure even those guys at Quantico ran into a few lemons. There may be a particular smith or maybe even Dave Williams himself that look over the pistols once they figure out where they're going, but during the initial stage, no one knows which Pro goes where.

SuHu
07-09-2010, 12:15
If that's what you believe. I'm thinking otherwise. I'm sure even those guys at Quantico ran into a few lemons. There may be a particular smith or maybe even Dave Williams himself that look over the pistols once they figure out where they're going, but during the initial stage, no one knows which Pro goes where.

Indeed.


The civilian pistols and the FBI pistols are built at the same time, with the gunsmiths never knowing whether a civilian or FBI agent will be using the pistol. These pistols are built approx. every 45 days, with the FBI order being filled first and civilian orders getting all of the remaining from the production run.

brisk21
07-09-2010, 21:10
I would bet they pay "extra" attention to the FBI builds. As a matter of fact, I would say they have specific smiths that work the contract pistols.


I would bet your wrong, sir.

ridetime
07-10-2010, 01:48
I would bet they pay "extra" attention to the FBI builds. As a matter of fact, I would say they have specific smiths that work the contract pistols.

That doesn't make any sense. These are $2500 guns which have a 6-10 month back log. Obviously there is no rush to get them out the door.

I have spent hours studying my two pro's and the QC and attention to detail is impeccable on both examples.

drc767
07-10-2010, 04:50
I would bet your wrong, sir.

It wouldn't be the first time. I have heard that the FBI is very tough on their vendors. I would just think that SA would make extra sure their contract pistols were up to snuff before going out the door. If they accidentally let one slip to a civilian, it would be no big deal, they just pay for shippiing and fix it, but if they let a couple slip to the FBI, it could cost them a pretty sizeable contract...not just some warranty work.

brisk21
07-10-2010, 08:51
It wouldn't be the first time. I have heard that the FBI is very tough on their vendors. I would just think that SA would make extra sure their contract pistols were up to snuff before going out the door. If they accidentally let one slip to a civilian, it would be no big deal, they just pay for shippiing and fix it, but if they let a couple slip to the FBI, it could cost them a pretty sizeable contract...not just some warranty work.


Do you really think that Springfield has different "levels" of gunsmiths and they assign their top ones to the FBI pistols and their "beginners" to the civilian guns? They have certain specs that they follow and build guns. They have stringent quality control for that model, and they are ALL built up to the FBIs specifications. Thats the whole point of that model. I doubt Springfield has alot of Professional pistols sent back to them for repair. This is like the people who claim that the blue label law enforcement Glocks are built different or better. Just plain wrong.

MD357
07-10-2010, 09:47
Do you really think that Springfield has different "levels" of gunsmiths and they assign their top ones to the FBI pistols and their "beginners" to the civilian guns? They have certain specs that they follow and build guns. They have stringent quality control for that model, and they are ALL built up to the FBIs specifications. Thats the whole point of that model. I doubt Springfield has alot of Professional pistols sent back to them for repair. This is like the people who claim that the blue label law enforcement Glocks are built different or better. Just plain wrong.

I have no idea if there is a difference or not BUT it could be like in the Wilson shop where only some GSs work on Supergrades and some do not. I wouldn't use the term beginner NOR is it a comparison to blue label glocks but that's just me. Who cares though, they are built really well.

SuHu
07-10-2010, 12:38
Like Deb said, they don't know which pistols are which until they get shipped out.

drc767
07-10-2010, 13:06
Do you really think that Springfield has different "levels" of gunsmiths and they assign their top ones to the FBI pistols and their "beginners" to the civilian guns? They have certain specs that they follow and build guns. They have stringent quality control for that model, and they are ALL built up to the FBIs specifications. Thats the whole point of that model. I doubt Springfield has alot of Professional pistols sent back to them for repair. This is like the people who claim that the blue label law enforcement Glocks are built different or better. Just plain wrong.

I absolutely KNOW that they have different levels of gunsmiths. And comparing Glocks to a Semi-Custom 1911 is an apples to oranges comparison. Like I said in earlier posts, it was a total guess on my part to say that they paid extra attention to the FBI guns.....not a big issue.

willis68
07-10-2010, 18:50
I have no idea if there is a difference or not BUT it could be like in the Wilson shop where only some GSs work on Supergrades and some do not. I wouldn't use the term beginner NOR is it a comparison to blue label glocks but that's just me. Who cares though, they are built really well.

I agree, I will definitely get one after my Brown is paid off. Normally I hate ambi safeties and Magwells, but the pro that I got to shoot just exceeded all of my expectations I was shocked by how much I liked it. I think when I get one the only thing I will change out are the grips, that pistol begs for Gunner grips:cool:

Big_Drunk
07-11-2010, 00:18
I'm waiting for one. The date was pushed back to late July, because of the scheduling for Birdsong's coating. I expected one delay. I hope there isn't another one. The wait has been almost 11 months.

I'm looking forward to getting it. That gun has a date with about 2000 rounds of ammunition.

Cochese
07-13-2010, 00:49
I'm waiting for one. The date was pushed back to late July, because of the scheduling for Birdsong's coating. I expected one delay. I hope there isn't another one. The wait has been almost 11 months.

I'm looking forward to getting it. That gun has a date with about 2000 rounds of ammunition.

I'm going on 14 months now waiting for mine, although I switched it to a 9mm build about three months ago, which set me back even more.

I hate emailing Deb because I feel like I'm bugging the hell out of her. Does everyone call the Customshop for updates or just e-mail Deb?

Big_Drunk
07-13-2010, 02:23
I'm going on 14 months now waiting for mine, although I switched it to a 9mm build about three months ago, which set me back even more.

I hate emailing Deb because I feel like I'm bugging the hell out of her. Does everyone call the Customshop for updates or just e-mail Deb?

When I initially ordered the pistol, Deb made reference to future calls. I told her that I probably would not be calling. Her response was, "Yes, you will!"
I laughed and said, "Your probably right."

I have a friend at work who e-mails her FREQUENTLY, asking about every stage of production of the pistol, so I really don't have to contact her, but I'm sure I would have if not for the friend. He e-mails, and that seems like the best and most convenient method for Deb.

Cochese
07-13-2010, 09:44
When I initially ordered the pistol, Deb made reference to future calls. I told her that I probably would not be calling. Her response was, "Yes, you will!"
I laughed and said, "Your probably right."

I have a friend at work who e-mails her FREQUENTLY, asking about every stage of production of the pistol, so I really don't have to contact her, but I'm sure I would have if not for the friend. He e-mails, and that seems like the best and most convenient method for Deb.

Coolio. She is out of town, so I just called Kate and gave her my details. She is gonna track it and the gunsmith down and scare me up an ETA. :wavey: