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scotchflyer
07-07-2010, 16:09
I am looking for a 1911 to do some entry level competition shooting with and am curious where to start? I know you can spend a little and you can spend alot, but MY debate centers around bang for my buck(Pun intentional). I will say my absolute price ceiling is $750 for a full size (5") gun. That rules out Kimber, Baer, Wilson, Sig, etc. so I suspect am left with Para, Auto Ordanance, Taurus, STI, Rock Island and maybe Colt or Springfield?

Of those options, which is better for reliability, fit and finish, accuracy, inculded options, and overall quality, etc? I dont want to spend alot to make a bad gun good. I would prefer to get the most gun for the money; extended thumb release and beavertail, rounded hammer, serated slide, stipled grip, trigger job, match barrel, etc. I realize I can't get all that, but some of those brands listed above are pretty loaded. What I don't want is to pay big bucks just to be in "the club" and find out its too expensive just to have fun.

Can I get into a 1911 and be somewhat succesful or do you have to pay big money for a complete gun or one heavily modified to be competitive?

Thanks for the responses. I am sure this will be fun.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 16:12
I am looking for a 1911 to do some entry level competition shooting with and am curious where to start? I know you can spend a little and you can spend alot, but MY debate centers around bang for my buck(Pun intentional). I will say my absolute price ceiling is $750 for a full size (5") gun. That rules out Kimber, Baer, Wilson, Sig, etc. so I suspect am left with Para, Auto Ordanance, Taurus, STI, Rock Island and maybe Colt or Springfield?

Of those options, which is better for reliability, fit and finish, accuracy, inculded options, and overall quality, etc? I dont want to spend alot to make a bad gun good. I would prefer to get the most gun for the money; extended thumb release and beavertail, rounded hammer, serated slide, stipled grip, trigger job, match barrel, etc. I realize I can't get all that, but some of those brands listed above are pretty loaded. What I don't want is to pay big bucks just to be in "the club" and find out its too expensive just to have fun.

Can I get into a 1911 and be somewhat succesful or do you have to pay big money for a complete gun or one heavily modified to be competitive?

Thanks for the responses. I am sure this will be fun.

How about an STI Spartan?


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2021.jpg

Tactical black
07-07-2010, 16:15
I would go with the STI I believe the spartan is under that price range.


Edit: Bac beat me too it. :)

Hokie1911
07-07-2010, 16:23
$677 @ JetGuns.
http://www.jetguns.com/product_info.php?cPath=325_194_222&products_id=40

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/KimberCust_II_med.jpg

4GLOCKER
07-07-2010, 16:35
Remington has a new 1911 out. They call it 1911 R1. I don't know the out the door price, but retail is $699.

http://www.1911r1.com/

bac1023
07-07-2010, 16:46
Remington has a new 1911 out. They call it 1911 R1. I don't know the out the door price, but retail is $699.

http://www.1911r1.com/

I paid $600 for mine.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/006-9.jpg



The problem is the OP is looking to compete with his, so I suggest he goes with an enhanced model.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 16:52
You should be able to grab a Kimber Custom II for $750 or under.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2542.jpg

flynlead
07-07-2010, 17:25
You should be able to grab a Kimber Custom II for $750 or under.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2542.jpg

:agree:

THEPOPE
07-07-2010, 18:21
I own an STI, different model, a long-slide....but I like the STI line, and it could be the best out-of-box accurate-wise....

Honestly, I have no experience with the Rem...

Bac, how is the accuracy with it ?

I am Out......:cool:

Quack
07-07-2010, 18:27
STI Spartan
they also have a contingency program.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 18:41
I own an STI, different model, a long-slide....but I like the STI line, and it could be the best out-of-box accurate-wise....

Honestly, I have no experience with the Rem...

Bac, how is the accuracy with it ?

I am Out......:cool:

The Spartan is actually built in the Philippines on an Armscor frame and slide and fitted with some STI small parts.

Its a great shooter.

Hokie1911
07-07-2010, 18:51
$677 @ JetGuns.
http://www.jetguns.com/product_info.php?cPath=325_194_222&products_id=40


http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/KimberCust_II_med.jpg

:tongueout:

You should be able to grab a Kimber Custom II for $750 or under.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2542.jpg

:whistling:

:agree:

:thumbsup:

BuckyP
07-07-2010, 19:32
Remington has a new 1911 out. They call it 1911 R1. I don't know the out the door price, but retail is $699.

http://www.1911r1.com/

For competition shooting, the STI or Kimber would be a better choice because of the beavertail, extended safety and commander style hammer.

Rinspeed
07-07-2010, 20:52
Spartan or Custom II.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 20:59
Spartan or Custom II.

:agree:

I think that's the way to go.

You can also get a good deal on a plain jane Smith SW1911.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/005-14.jpg

Trey83
07-07-2010, 21:02
I can only recommend this based on my research since I don't have any of the models mentioned. I would go with the Spartan. I was planning to stay around the same price point and had it narrowed down to the Spartan and the Kimber Custom II. In the end I ended up spending a little more to get the Trojan and Have been thrilled with it. I have yet to hear a bad word about STI other than their roll marks.

bac1023
07-07-2010, 21:06
I can only recommend this based on my research since I don't have any of the models mentioned. I would go with the Spartan. I was planning to stay around the same price point and had it narrowed down to the Spartan and the Kimber Custom II. In the end I ended up spending a little more to get the Trojan and Have been thrilled with it. I have yet to hear a bad word about STI other than their roll marks.

Trey, that Trojan was a great choice. They're awesome 1911s. :)

frankmako
07-07-2010, 21:09
go for the colt. hard to beat the best.

Trey83
07-07-2010, 21:10
Trey, that Trojan was a great choice. They're awesome 1911s. :)

I've had it to the range twice now and just can't get enough of it. It was funny when I took my little brother to the range it was all he wnated to shoot out of the four guns I brought that day :supergrin: I had to tell him to save me some ammo :rofl:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 21:16
I've had it to the range twice now and just can't get enough of it. It was funny when I took my little brother to the range it was all he wnated to shoot out of the four guns I brought that day :supergrin: I had to tell him to save me some ammo :rofl:

Cool.

I knew you would like it. :cool:

bac1023
07-07-2010, 21:21
go for the colt. hard to beat the best.

They're very far from the best these days.

scotchflyer
07-08-2010, 09:27
Great stuff...but does anyone have experince with the Taurus,Rock Island, Para Ordanance or Auto Ordanance or are they not worthy comparisons? Just curious since i know nothing about them either.

thanks for all the comments so far.

bac1023
07-08-2010, 11:29
Great stuff...but does anyone have experince with the Taurus,Rock Island, Para Ordanance or Auto Ordanance or are they not worthy comparisons? Just curious since i know nothing about them either.

thanks for all the comments so far.

Yeah, I have them.

Which models are you looking at in particular?

These are all in your price range except the Para 1911 Limited in the upper right.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/001-8.jpg

scotchflyer
07-08-2010, 11:59
The Taurus and the Para both seem like a nice option, but the Rock Island and Auto seem more crude if thats the right word? It sounds like there are a lot of choices so it may come down to Customer service and Support. Which has been better to deal with? Another thought....if the time to upgrade the gun using aftermarket parts comes along, does one respond better than another those parts or will they all require a fair amount of gunsmithing?

Rinspeed
07-08-2010, 12:03
The Taurus and the Para both seem like a nice option,



I'm sure Brian is going to say the same thing so I'll save him the time. Look at anything but those two. :supergrin:

bac1023
07-08-2010, 14:12
The Taurus and the Para both seem like a nice option, but the Rock Island and Auto seem more crude if thats the right word? It sounds like there are a lot of choices so it may come down to Customer service and Support. Which has been better to deal with? Another thought....if the time to upgrade the gun using aftermarket parts comes along, does one respond better than another those parts or will they all require a fair amount of gunsmithing?

Stay away from the Taurus at all costs. I don't care for it at all, frankly. Some have apparently been great, while others (including mine) have had issues. Workmanship and quality control are lousy and Taurus' notorious customer service is even worse.

The Para GI Expert isn't bad, but its not much of an enhanced gun. Furthmore, Para's build quality isn't as good as some others, in my opinion.

As for Auto Ordnance, its just a USGI replica and not something you should look at for competitive shooting. The stainless gun in the pic is a Thompson custom 1911 that's also built by Auto Ordnance. Its nicely done and enhanced for competitive shooting. The problem is that they're very hard to find.

I honestly recommend you stick with STI, Kimber, or Smith & Wesson for the options you want in that price range. It just makes more sense for a first 1911.







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brzusa.1911
07-08-2010, 14:14
stay away from the taurus at all costs. I don't care for it at all, frankly. Some have apparently been great, while others (including mine) have had issues. Workmanship and quality control are lousy and taurus' notorious customer service is even worse.

The para gi expert isn't bad, but its not much of an enhanced gun. Furthmore, para's build quality isn't as good as some others, in my opinion.

As for auto ordnance, its just a usgi replica and not something you should look at for competitive shooting. The stainless gun in the pic is a thompson custom 1911 that's also built by auto ordnance. Its nicely done and enhanced for competitive shooting. The problem is that they're very hard to find.

I honestly recommend you stick with sti, kimber, or smith & wesson for the options you want in that price range.

+1000

Glock1911
08-08-2010, 07:23
I've had good Para's and not so good Para's. When they are good they are very good. When they aren't so good they are lousy.
I will say that most of the Para problems I've had in the past were magazine related. Those were the high cap models, though.
I just purchased a Para PDA and after a few failure to feed problems, it straightened out and is running 100%. The gun is very tight and that contributed to the initial failures. After lubing the gun liberally with Dupont Teflon lube, it runs perfectly.
Maybe I got lucky. Maybe it will keep running 100%. Maybe it won't. But, for now, I'm a happy camper.

ambluemax
08-08-2010, 08:14
I agree with the 3 bac suggests, personally I'd go for the S&W first out of the 3.

STAY AWAY FROM THE TAURUS!!!!!!!!!!! ALL of the guys I know who run them in competitions have had problems with them.

samuse
08-08-2010, 08:46
Are you a competition shooter already? If your not familiar with the games, a high cap gun is easier to start out with.

Your gonna have your hands full with a new 1911 starting out in matches.

Hokie1911
08-08-2010, 20:19
STAY AWAY FROM THE TAURUS!!!!!!!!!!! ALL of the guys I know who run them in competitions have had problems with them.

That's 2 words I can honestly say I've never seen mentioned together. :whistling:

bac1023
08-08-2010, 20:45
That's 2 words I can honestly say I've never seen mentioned together. :whistling:

Very true. :shocked:

Cobra64
08-08-2010, 23:09
go for the colt. hard to beat the best.

Even at $1,000, Colt is absolutely the worst POS 1911 imaginable.

Cobra64
08-08-2010, 23:16
They're very far from the best these days.

Understatement. Even as a base gun, no gunsmith could do anything with this brand new WWI 1918 reproduction.:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Colt%201911%20WWI%201918/P1040085.jpg



That broken extractor wasn't machined, it was ground by a guy who sharpens lawn mower blades.

Cobra64
08-08-2010, 23:22
I'm sure Brian is going to say the same thing so I'll save him the time. Look at anything but those two. :supergrin:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Happy%20Faces/BatonHead.gif

MD357
08-08-2010, 23:40
If you are going to compete then I'd go with an STI spartan, I highly recommend saving money and getting the Trojan though. Competition has a way of making guys want to upgrade almost immediately. Might aswell save yourself the trouble IMO.

BuckyP
08-09-2010, 04:58
Are you a competition shooter already? If your not familiar with the games, a high cap gun is easier to start out with.

Your gonna have your hands full with a new 1911 starting out in matches.

A single stack shooter can shoot in Single Stack division or Limited 10 (using extended 10 round magazines). Keep in mind, a wide body 1911 (high cap) is going to come at a greater cost (both gun and mags) and typically need to be tweaked to run, including tweaking ammo and sometimes magazines.

Brad737
08-17-2010, 19:13
I was in your shoes just a few months ago. I did a lot of research and went with the STI Spartan. I got it for $628 from Shooter's Connection (?) in Georgetown, KY. It's one of my favorite handguns, although I use Glocks for CCW. All I've done is add some Pachmayr grips and feed it a lot of 230 grain ammo. :)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bradspence/P1020738.jpg

bac1023
08-17-2010, 19:21
Yeah, the Spartan may be the best 1911 in its price range.

youngbuck
08-17-2010, 19:26
Not to jack this thread but I see nobody has mentioned anything about the Magnum Research .45's? I figure if Taurus can be involved in a discussion about competition then whats wrong with the Mag Research option?

brisk21
08-17-2010, 19:45
I gotta say either a Springfield Loaded or a Kimber. Make sure it has target sights and get some good magazines. (CMC Power+ or Tripps)

OrangeDonkey
08-17-2010, 20:00
In your price range the biggest bang for your buck would be the Kimber Customer II IMO, it's a great 1911. Everyone on here hates on Taurus 1911s but I've never had any issues with mine. I've had no failures with it and it has been extremely accurate. It's not better than my other 1911s by any means but you get what you pay for. Mine has a better finish than several 1911s mentioned on this forum but others disagree.

It almost sounds like I'm suggesting the Taurus but I'm not. Go with the Custom II, you will not be disappointed.

rsxr22
08-17-2010, 22:15
I would go with the STI Spartan like many others have mentioned. It's hard to beat in the price range and with its options. The Para GI is a decent 1911. RIA's are alright as well, but the Spartan is essentially the RIA with STI guts. IMO its much more ready to go out of the box for competition than any of the other listed guns