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brzusa.1911
07-08-2010, 14:24
I am about to go pick up some Golden Saber from my shop, they have both 185gr and 185gr +P. Is the +P that much better, tradeoff with recoil?

Cerebrus
07-08-2010, 14:39
I prefer this myself
http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-P-230-gr-HP-XTP-FPD/
230 gr of +p goodness.. :supergrin:

drc767
07-08-2010, 14:42
I am about to go pick up some Golden Saber from my shop, they have both 185gr and 185gr +P. Is the +P that much better, tradeoff with recoil?

I don't like any +P in a 1911 when compared to standard pressure ammo. I also prefer the heavier 230g loadings unless I am looking for a little more velocity out of a short barrel. Other than that, I try to stick with standard pressure loadings in .45. The additional recoil is just not worth it (to me) the tradeoff for a little extra velocity. The 185g loadings have enough velocity to be effective even in the shorter barrels, so I just don't see the need for the +P and the potential negatives it could bring with it (increased recoil, wear on the weapon, slide velocity increase, ect).

bac1023
07-08-2010, 14:59
I don't carry +P either.

I carry standard 230gr Golden Sabers.

brzusa.1911
07-08-2010, 15:05
Thanks guys, I will get the 185gr standard.

JK-linux
07-08-2010, 15:09
230 FWIW, 185gr in a .45 is like putting Refrigerator Perry on a diet and expecting the same results. The .45 is suppose to be big, heavy and stout. I'd still hate to get hit by a 185gr though.

willis68
07-08-2010, 15:21
I don't like any +P in a 1911 when compared to standard pressure ammo. I also prefer the heavier 230g loadings unless I am looking for a little more velocity out of a short barrel. Other than that, I try to stick with standard pressure loadings in .45. The additional recoil is just not worth it (to me) the tradeoff for a little extra velocity. The 185g loadings have enough velocity to be effective even in the shorter barrels, so I just don't see the need for the +P and the potential negatives it could bring with it (increased recoil, wear on the weapon, slide velocity increase, ect).

+5000 :cool:

Cerebrus
07-08-2010, 16:26
I see nothing wrong with using +P for SD purposes.. how often does one shoot SD ammo anyways? most shooting is done with standard FMJ type range ammo, so I don't see excessive wear as an issue.. FMJ for range use and the Hornady +P TAP in 230 gr. for EDC.. I see no problem with this arrangement

drc767
07-08-2010, 16:59
I see nothing wrong with using +P for SD purposes.. how often does one shoot SD ammo anyways? most shooting is done with standard FMJ type range ammo, so I don't see excessive wear as an issue.. FMJ for range use and the Hornady +P TAP in 230 gr. for EDC.. I see no problem with this arrangement

I am a firm believer in the saying, "You train how you fight". If you train with standard pressure ammo and carry +P ammo for SD, then you are not doing yourself any favors, in my opinion. There is enough of a difference between the two that it could be an issue especially for accuracy/function when you need it the most. If you're going to carry +P ammo, I would train with it, as well.

Hokie1911
07-08-2010, 17:10
I am a firm believer in the saying, "You train how you fight". If you train with standard pressure ammo and carry +P ammo for SD, then you are not doing yourself any favors, in my opinion. There is enough of a difference between the two that it could be an issue especially for accuracy/function when you need it the most. If you're going to carry +P ammo, I would train with it, as well.

:agree:

willis68
07-08-2010, 17:28
People think I am crazy for buying Case loads of Remington Golden Saber 230 Grain, the reason I do? I carry that load so I train with it. this makes perfect sense to me, it may be expensive but for the defense of my family and self It is well worth it to me :cool:

Cerebrus
07-08-2010, 17:28
I am a firm believer in the saying, "You train how you fight". If you train with standard pressure ammo and carry +P ammo for SD, then you are not doing yourself any favors, in my opinion. There is enough of a difference between the two that it could be an issue especially for accuracy/function when you need it the most. If you're going to carry +P ammo, I would train with it, as well.
A valid point.. accuracy I am not too concerned with as statistically gunfights are at a very close range, and I have shot enough of the TAP ammo to be confident in its reliability to feed. Honestly I have not experienced that much difference recoil-wise using the TAP 230 gr +P JHP ammo in my Kimber ultra carry II.. I just like the extra punch I am going to get using this ammo from a 3.5" barrel

GunFighter45ACP
07-08-2010, 20:14
I like 230 in std pressure for social work, but 185 +P has some nice down range #s if you need something for the great outdoors to take care of 4 legged predators as well.

brzusa.1911
07-08-2010, 21:08
I like 230 in std pressure for social work, but 185 +P has some nice down range #s if you need something for the great outdoors to take care of 4 legged predators as well.

Great point, I did think about that. I usually carry ball ammo when outdoors, and hopefully I will get a 10mm soon. I also agree with the posts about carrying with what you practice and with that in mind I bought the 185gr, not the same as my practice - 200gr, but close enough!

bladeandbarrel
07-08-2010, 22:13
I like 200 grain bullets about 1000 fps.

remat
07-11-2010, 13:01
Nothing wrong with +P. The 185gr+P GS are very straight shooters!
However, I carry Hornady 230gr+P because I like to match the weight of SD ammo to my target ammo. I haven't seen much 185gr FMJ lately.

Ruggles
07-11-2010, 13:03
I go with the standard pressure Winchester 230gr PDX. I would be fine with any standard pressure 203gr JHP from any quality maker.

Darkangel1846
07-11-2010, 13:51
I am a firm believer in the saying, "You train how you fight". If you train with standard pressure ammo and carry +P ammo for SD, then you are not doing yourself any favors, in my opinion. There is enough of a difference between the two that it could be an issue especially for accuracy/function when you need it the most. If you're going to carry +P ammo, I would train with it, as well.

While I don't argue with this thought I find it to be somewhat paranoid.
Now I practice with 230 ball loads from Wally World. Every two years I shoot up my old SD ammo and compare it to the ball ammo.......at 25 yards the COM shots seem the same to me. Now competition shooting would be different, but for SD practing with Ball doesn't seem to matter much in the whole scheem of things:wavey:

BOGE
07-11-2010, 13:57
All those who have shot someone with a standad 230 gr. .45 cal. HP and it failed and feel the need to use +p raise their hand. :upeyes:

Do you really think that +p in a .45 will make a difference? :upeyes:

Annoyedgrunt
07-11-2010, 16:14
I hardly feel under-gunned with standard pressure 230-gr. ball. That's what the 1911 was designed for, that's what it works best with, that's what I use for range use, and "other" duties.

remat
07-12-2010, 01:19
All those who have shot someone with a standad 230 gr. .45 cal. HP and it failed and feel the need to use +p raise their hand. :upeyes:

Do you really think that +p in a .45 will make a difference? :upeyes:

Do you really "need" 230gr? Shoot what you want...

COLDSTEEL165
07-13-2010, 01:33
I never saw a need for any +P ammo for my 1911, as standard rounds will get the job done, with the right shot placement.

Mike5560
07-13-2010, 02:14
230gr JHPs are just fine out of a standard 5" barrel.