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samuse
08-01-2010, 00:23
From what I have seen, I would totally put my Loaded up against a Fusion and feel like that I have come out on top of the deal.. just my .02


At this point, if you have a gun at all your doing better than the OP.

This thread is 22 days old. Gun promised one week (that's 5 business days) after this thread was started.

I've been watching Fusion related threads all over the 'net. They all have a familiar tone...:whistling:

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 00:55
Sam,

I did not get the gun...Fusion FINALLY agreed to a refund. I ACCEPTED!!

I got the check.

glock2740
08-01-2010, 01:52
Look guys, we're beating a dead death here. Bob's a good guy. There may have been a bad deal go down, but we all need to let it go. If anyone is an adult around here, then we need to let this go. Bob Serva is a good guy, and he makes a damn fine gun. So he let a bad apple slip through the cracks. Big deal. He has made it good. Anyone from here on out that wants to cry about it, needs to take it up with Bob himself. Seriously, quit running the guy into the ground. Bob is a straight up guy and desevrers better than what is being given to him on here.

glock2740
08-01-2010, 01:59
Sam,

I did not get the gun...Fusion FINALLY agreed to a refund. I ACCEPTED!!

I got the check.
HC , You need to end this BS. Fusion makes a damn fine 1911. Period. I really hate the fact that you got screwed on one, but, at the same time, you can't make it out that Fuson is a bade companyl. Fusion makes a damn fine gun, and the fact that you got a bad one, doesn't mean that everyother gun fron them is gonna be a bad seed.

CMG
08-01-2010, 06:00
Look guys, we're beating a dead death here. Bob's a good guy. There may have been a bad deal go down, but we all need to let it go. If anyone is an adult around here, then we need to let this go. Bob Serva is a good guy, and he makes a damn fine gun. So he let a bad apple slip through the cracks. Big deal. He has made it good. Anyone from here on out that wants to cry about it, needs to take it up with Bob himself. Seriously, quit running the guy into the ground. Bob is a straight up guy and desevrers better than what is being given to him on here.

Some of us have been around for more than just this thread.

A good guy? Maybe. A good businessman? Hardly!

faawrenchbndr
08-01-2010, 06:18
Some of us have been around for more than just this thread.

A good guy? Maybe. A good businessman? Hardly!

"A good guy"

Does not pull the BS that Bob Serva did with this weapon.
I've met used car salesman with higher standards and integrity!

samuse
08-01-2010, 07:53
Sam,

I did not get the gun...Fusion FINALLY agreed to a refund. I ACCEPTED!!

I got the check.

Good, glad to hear it.:wavey:

beltjones
08-01-2010, 08:34
Look guys, we're beating a dead death here. Bob's a good guy. There may have been a bad deal go down, but we all need to let it go. If anyone is an adult around here, then we need to let this go. Bob Serva is a good guy, and he makes a damn fine gun. So he let a bad apple slip through the cracks. Big deal. He has made it good. Anyone from here on out that wants to cry about it, needs to take it up with Bob himself. Seriously, quit running the guy into the ground. Bob is a straight up guy and desevrers better than what is being given to him on here.

No offense, but you obviously have never had a disagreement with him when he was holding either your money or your gun. Your opinion of him might change very quickly if that ever happens.

I would say the way he treats certain customers, and the fact that TOS is 100% a fansite these days, means he deserves exactly what is being given to him on here.

faawrenchbndr
08-01-2010, 08:41
Look guys, we're beating a dead death here. Bob's a good guy. There may have been a bad deal go down, but we all need to let it go. If anyone is an adult around here, then we need to let this go. Bob Serva is a good guy, and he makes a damn fine gun. So he let a bad apple slip through the cracks. Big deal. He has made it good. Anyone from here on out that wants to cry about it, needs to take it up with Bob himself. Seriously, quit running the guy into the ground. Bob is a straight up guy and desevrers better than what is being given to him on here.

HC , You need to end this BS. Fusion makes a damn fine 1911. Period. I really hate the fact that you got screwed on one, but, at the same time, you can't make it out that Fuson is a bade companyl. Fusion makes a damn fine gun, and the fact that you got a bad one, doesn't mean that everyother gun fron them is gonna be a bad seed.

I MUST disagree with your statement,.......I can see a poor product getting by.
However, the way he treated HC and the BS he tried to pull to avoid a refund.
HOW can you back this behavior?
I have hearburn ofver how HC was strung along, midlead and lied to more than the poor product it's self.

MD357
08-01-2010, 08:43
Some of us have been around for more than just this thread.

A good guy? Maybe. A good businessman? Hardly!

+1

HC , You need to end this BS. Fusion makes a damn fine 1911. Period. I really hate the fact that you got screwed on one, but, at the same time, you can't make it out that Fuson is a bade companyl. Fusion makes a damn fine gun, and the fact that you got a bad one, doesn't mean that everyother gun fron them is gonna be a bad seed.

Sorry but even the "good" ones are NOT worth the money they charge. The finishing touches are just not there and they are half assed for a semi custom gun. The old DWs were the same way. I mean how does a company tell someone it's been test fired when the chamber wasn't fully reamed?

bac1023
08-01-2010, 09:05
Hey, I thought he was a nice guy too when I spoke to him a couple years back. I even stated that a few times on this forum, if I'm not mistaken. My gun is an early Fusion built before prices went way up and quality control went way down. For $1200, I got what I paid for, which is a good production quality 1911, not one worth the prices today. Fusion 1911s, even the good ones, are NOT the quality of the popular semi custom guns on the market, yet prices are starting to rival or even match the low end of their range.

Furthermore, his treatment of some customers, including Alan, is not acceptable and certainly not that of a nice guy or, more importantly, an honest guy.

If threads on TOS are getting locked due to Bob being a sponsor (and I haven't checked for myself), then I'm certainly fine with this thread staying current here. Hell, I wouldn't care for it was a sticky.

glock2740
08-01-2010, 09:28
I only base my opinion of Fusion on the hundreds, if not thousands of satisfied customers. No, I do not own a Fusion, so I don't really have a dog in this fight, other than I've always wanted to get one someday. I can TOTALLY understand how HC can and should be, pissed off at them about the way that he was treated. And after hearing about this, I doubt I will ever get a Fusion, especially after hearing about their QC going downhill. But this is the one and only time that I've ever heard this kind of negativity about Fusion. And, if I was in HC's shoes, I'd be raising hell myself. On a similar note, I've seen countless threads and posts on this and other forums, about how bad Kimber sucks. But, my 9 Kimbers have been 110% from day one. I just think that it's time to let it go on the whole beating Fusion over the head deal. If they had a history of this kind of behavior, then I could understand, but this sounds and is, a very small percentage of the way that things have gone down with them. I had a $1000+ Weatherby rifle that had to be sent back to the factory twice and wasn't able to be used for an entire season, but I just chalk it up to one bad apple in the barrel. I'm not going to knock Weatherby all day long. As they make a great product, as does Fusion. It's not like I'm gonna go piss on Roy's grave because of one bad gun, and trust me, some piss poor customer service. If I'm in HC's shoes, then I just wouldn't ever buy another Fusion pistol, as I will never buy another Weatherby rifle. But at the same time, I'm not going to say that Weatherby sucks and that they turn out pure junk and that their customer service always sucks ass.

MD357
08-01-2010, 09:39
Comparing Kimber to a "custom" shop isn't exactly intellecutally honest. Kimber is a mass produced item, Fusion is a "custom shop." There should be attention to detail and some sort of hand craftsmanship. Just in the same sense, you will hear of more Toyota problems than any other car make due to volume produced. What irks me is that HC has obviously exposed some practices that are somewhat dishonest to save a few bucks. Again, anyone want to explain to me how HC's gun was test fired?

Also, how can anyone know of the true amount of problems Fusion has had? Any problem that is brought up, is deleted on TOS. The forum regulars even joke about it and obviously now have a PM network to work around the mods. If you have something that bad and blatant, then attitudes need to be changed at the top. Just sayin.

Quack
08-01-2010, 09:45
you also have to like how someone ordered a CCO a few month's after HC's gun went back and that person received his gun before HC.

98_1LE
08-01-2010, 09:58
CMG, I believe you are semi-local. If you would ever like to shoot, disassemble or photograph my Fusion, I would be happy to meet.

Honestly I do now know how it compares to any other "high end" pistol, as the only other >$1000 1911's I have owned were an early EE Kimber Ultra CDPII (pretty and unreliable); STI Escort (It works but certainly isn't tight anywhere); and a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Commanche HC (pretty, mostly reliable, tool marks all over inside, fit <= to Fusion).

So I am curious what its flaws are.

MD357
08-01-2010, 10:01
I guess the trip to NY went well, eh? :whistling:

NOW that was funny. Missed that earlier. :rofl::rofl: I would have chipped in for the travel costs for that one.

Ruggles
08-01-2010, 10:27
Regardless of how great 99% of the Fusion builds are their actions in this case does not make me want to send them $1200, right or wrong that is how I feel. I am not a business genius but I would say that Fusions actions in this case cost them way more than it would have cost them to give a refund in the time frame they said they would. Too bad for all parties involved it had to end badly as the 1911 community should be a more friendly & supportive group IMO.

lawdog734
08-01-2010, 11:46
Look guys, we're beating a dead death here. Bob's a good guy. There may have been a bad deal go down, but we all need to let it go. If anyone is an adult around here, then we need to let this go. Bob Serva is a good guy, and he makes a damn fine gun. So he let a bad apple slip through the cracks. Big deal. He has made it good. Anyone from here on out that wants to cry about it, needs to take it up with Bob himself. Seriously, quit running the guy into the ground. Bob is a straight up guy and desevrers better than what is being given to him on here.
Who you calling an adult? :rofl:

SouthpawShootr
08-01-2010, 11:50
you also have to like how someone ordered a CCO a few month's after HC's gun went back and that person received his gun before HC.

Yeah, that would be annoying unless it was b/c they were showing HC's gun extra special treatment and having their best person work on it. Obviously not the case but that would be a good reason. As it was, they were giving him extra special treatment...............just the kind nobody wants to get.

bac1023
08-01-2010, 12:42
Who you calling an adult? :rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

El_Ron1
08-01-2010, 12:45
Sam,

I did not get the gun...Fusion FINALLY agreed to a refund. I ACCEPTED!!

I got the check.Did you cash it?

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 12:48
I just want to say another thing about all this that I haven't talked about. Back in Januaruy when it all went south...

Bob told me that he does not have a refund policy. Or rather he does not refund money on guns, he just "makes it right".
He also said he does not offer paid shipping back to the factory.

So I was shocked when a poster came over from AR-15 site the next month and asked Bob on the other site about refund and shipping. Bob said he does have a refund and free shipping policy and has had for 2 years. That kinda struck me funny.

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 12:56
Did you cash it?

Yeap.

CMG
08-01-2010, 14:57
"A good guy"

Does not pull the BS that Bob Serva did with this weapon.
I've met used car salesman with higher standards and integrity!

I remember when he was given that very nick-name back in the DW days.

Of course the guy who bestowed him with that moniker was booted from TOS right after! :cool:

CMG
08-01-2010, 15:07
CMG, I believe you are semi-local. If you would ever like to shoot, disassemble or photograph my Fusion, I would be happy to meet.

Honestly I do now know how it compares to any other "high end" pistol, as the only other >$1000 1911's I have owned were an early EE Kimber Ultra CDPII (pretty and unreliable); STI Escort (It works but certainly isn't tight anywhere); and a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Commanche HC (pretty, mostly reliable, tool marks all over inside, fit <= to Fusion).

So I am curious what its flaws are.

98'

Thanks for the offer, shooting would be great, perhaps I could bring you an early, limited edition DW Razorback with blue grips that bleed dye, and a nickel-plated grip safety that looks yellow against the stainless frame. Perhaps you could photograph the locking lugs that look like they were cut using a dull mill, or the non-standard front sight dove-tail.

I'm not sure what your point is, but I've seen enough bad from the same guy to make me NEVER buy anything he has a hand in.

If you have a good Fusion, I'm glad. I have a couple good Dan Wesson 1911s, but neither one were built while the used-car salesman was in charge.

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 15:21
tool marks all over inside, fit <= to Fusion).

So I am curious what its flaws are.

My Fusions flaws were;

Tool marks all over the outside of the gun.
Tool marks all over the inside. ( not a big deal)
Short chambered barrel.
Egg shaped frame holes.
The gun came with parts I did not order. I ordered EB parts and got STI.
Horrible barrel fit. I guess Fusion Match Grade barrel means "severe under fit drop in barrel that is short chambered and riding the link."
Terrible blending.
A sear that looked like a steel eating beaver had it's way with it.

faawrenchbndr
08-01-2010, 15:31
And the biggest flaw of all, a lack of willingness to fix the problems.

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 15:36
And the biggest flaw of all, a lack of willingness to fix the problems.

Well I was told at first that the gun was within the standards of Fusion quality and told that they would not address issues.

Then I started posting pictures and suddenly things happened. So I guess I need to thank you'all.

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 15:38
Also I have been getting PM after PM from other sites about "Fusion horror stories". I have been posting links to this site and encouraging folks to tell there stories.

bac1023
08-01-2010, 15:42
Also I have been getting PM after PM from other sites about "Fusion horror stories". I have been posting links to this site and encouraging folks to tell there stories.

Hopefully, a couple of them speak up.

SouthpawShootr
08-01-2010, 15:46
Well I was told at first that the gun was within the standards of Fusion quality and told that they would not address issues.

Then I started posting pictures and suddenly things happened. So I guess I need to thank you'all.

Nah, that's not necessary. We should thank you. You're gun served as a warning for the rest of us. I'm not sure I would have gotten around to buying a Fusion before (too many others to get first), but I know damn well I won't buy one now. If I were to even consider it, the gun would have to be already finished and available for me to inspect before I paid the first cent of the price tag. IOW, it would have to be fully a production example with me having the option of handing it back, saying thank you, and disappearing into the crowd.

faawrenchbndr
08-01-2010, 15:49
I'm sure the "used car salesman" got the message.

HAIL CAESAR
08-01-2010, 16:12
Hopefully, a couple of them speak up.

I hope so too.

Some are already members here. So if your reading this...please just tell your story for the betterment of all shooters. All you have to do is tell your side of the story.

I'm sure the "used car salesman" got the message.

I hope so. For every future customer I truly hope they do not have to go through what I went through.

Some good came out of this. Now he is on record stating a refund and return shipment policy so no more slipping out of that (hopefully).

And hopefully they are looking more closely at their barrels. I say this because probably 80% of the private PM's and emails I have gotten have one thing in common....short chambered barrels. Others are non functioning safeties or TS's just beat in the gun.

faawrenchbndr
08-01-2010, 16:45
My last comment I'm going to post in this thread,.......

I commend you 'Caesar for the way you conducted yourself with this issue.
I do not believe I could have had the patience to have delt with this in the manner you did.

:cheers:

beltjones
08-01-2010, 17:20
Problems with my Fusion kit:

I ordered a .40 S&W barrel and slide, and instead received a .40 barrel and a 9mm slide.

After getting it back from Fusion, the new slide didn't have the press-check cuts I ordered.

The ramped barrel is horribly fit to the frame. I've sent emails to Bob asking what he would like to do about it, and suddenly he doesn't respond to emails. No matter, I wouldn't send it back to them anyway. Instead I'm having to come out of pocket to send it to a well-known smith who can hopefully get it running. I'm praying he doesn't say it's a total loss.

Ruggles
08-01-2010, 17:51
Problems with my Fusion kit:

I ordered a .40 S&W barrel and slide, and instead received a .40 barrel and a 9mm slide.

After getting it back from Fusion, the new slide didn't have the press-check cuts I ordered.

The ramped barrel is horribly fit to the frame. I've sent emails to Bob asking what he would like to do about it, and suddenly he doesn't respond to emails. No matter, I wouldn't send it back to them anyway. Instead I'm having to come out of pocket to send it to a well-known smith who can hopefully get it running. I'm praying he doesn't say it's a total loss.

Am I the only one who thinks that somebody....anybody from Fusion should have come to this thread to defend themselves ? :dunno:

Those guys are strange in the way they conduct their business. Think they ever heard of word of mouth advertising?

Quack
08-01-2010, 17:54
That's what the forum is on TOS. Notice that a majority of the threads are showing the gun built for XXX and any complaint threads are locked or deleted?

MD357
08-02-2010, 09:10
Am I the only one who thinks that somebody....anybody from Fusion should have come to this thread to defend themselves ? :dunno:

Those guys are strange in the way they conduct their business. Think they ever heard of word of mouth advertising?

Apparently "they" are only interested in the feedback they can control.

SouthpawShootr
08-02-2010, 15:48
Am I the only one who thinks that somebody....anybody from Fusion should have come to this thread to defend themselves ? :dunno:

Those guys are strange in the way they conduct their business. Think they ever heard of word of mouth advertising?

Couple of different ways to look at it: First, if someone "officially" responds, they're going to get torn to bits by this crowd. Second, the only way they could defend against the detailed photos HC has is to say that's not the gun they sent him.

HAIL CAESAR
08-02-2010, 16:29
Couple of different ways to look at it: First, if someone "officially" responds, they're going to get torn to bits by this crowd. Second, the only way they could defend against the detailed photos HC has is to say that's not the gun they sent him.

You know...I never thought about it that way, but your right. I'd love the second scenario although.


Stay tuned...hopefully there will be another poster amongst us soon.

Quack
08-02-2010, 16:32
I'll make the popcorn.;)

HAIL CAESAR
08-02-2010, 17:13
I'll make the popcorn.;)

He contacted me and said he was waiting for approval to post on the site.

bac1023
08-02-2010, 17:22
I'll make the popcorn.;)

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
08-02-2010, 17:22
He contacted me and said he was waiting for approval to post on the site.

Cool :cool:

SouthpawShootr
08-02-2010, 17:57
You know...I never thought about it that way, but your right. I'd love the second scenario although.


Stay tuned...hopefully there will be another poster amongst us soon.

In my view, your pics were pretty conclusive (or damning - either description applies). The only way to defend against this would be to apologize profusely and vow to make it right. This of course would necessitate actually making it right. :upeyes: IIRC, BS did post on TOS that they'd fix it but fell quite a bit short of an apology and we all know how his offer turned out.

I really thought they'd send you something back that would be truly breathtaking. :faint: Instead, they sent you a......:yawn:......check, albeit after an unreasonable wait.

SouthpawShootr
08-02-2010, 17:58
He contacted me and said he was waiting for approval to post on the site.

I'm at the edge of my seat. Pics too, I hope.:drool:

2c5s
08-03-2010, 11:18
Pulling up a chair. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I'm certainly curious to hear why HC was treated the way he was. I could understand not wanting to build the replacement pistol. I fire clients all the time. But why lead him on and make him wait. It seems that was totally childish and brought an additional rash of bad press to Fusion. Not very smart in my opinion.

Rinspeed
08-03-2010, 12:04
Some of you need to get a life. :rofl:

CMG
08-03-2010, 15:46
I feel somewhat sullied, but I went over to TOS for a bit, and that sticky about not posting your bad experiences is troubling.

Their excuse that it's being done to prevent only airing one side of a story is full of holes, since they already allow one side (the manufacturer) to present pics and glowing posts of a customer being sent a pistol.

I wonder what TOS's liability would be in a law-suit where a consumer acquired a certain expectation (via rserva's post) of a product, while being denied any negative information that might prevent them from getting a lemon.

I wonder if such protection of the manufacturer (with money changing hands between them and the web site) would be considered a civil violation in terms of consumer protection. I might have to ask my wife to ask the lawyers in her office, could make for an interesting discussion! :cool:

BlayGlock
08-03-2010, 15:59
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=2777966#post2777966

You can see how well my suggestion went over. A lot of *********gery goes on over there.

bac1023
08-03-2010, 17:17
[A lot of *********gery goes on over there.

:rofl:

That's a good way of putting it. ;)

beltjones
08-17-2010, 15:44
I sent my Fusion off to a VERY reputable gunsmith. I'm not sure yet how much it will cost to fix what's wrong with it, but I'll keep you guys posted on the results.

HAIL CAESAR
08-17-2010, 16:00
I sent my Fusion off to a VERY reputable gunsmith. I'm not sure yet how much it will cost to fix what's wrong with it, but I'll keep you guys posted on the results.

Yes, keep us posted. I'm interested at least.

I found some out some interesting information.:whistling:


I think I found out who supplies Fusion slides and frame....or at least some of them.

Rinspeed
08-17-2010, 16:07
I think I found out who supplies Fusion slides and frame....or at least some of them.



I thought that was common knowledge. :dunno:

HAIL CAESAR
08-17-2010, 16:14
I thought that was common knowledge. :dunno:

Is it?? I didn't know, I guess I was the only one that didn't.

Well I knew some were STI, but I was talking about somebody else.

Who are you talking about??

chakup
08-17-2010, 18:00
Yeah who?? :)

Hokie1911
08-17-2010, 18:08
SHOCKED that this thread is still alive and breathing. Haven't been in it for a while.

Hey Alan, did the check clear? :rofl:

beltjones
08-18-2010, 08:34
The list of things wrong with the pistol is long and involved. I'm going to post a thorough review and explanation of the work performed when I get it back, but in the mean time it's going to cost around $900 to get it running perfectly (including having the frame welded up and a new barrel fit).

beltjones
08-18-2010, 08:45
The list of things wrong with the pistol is long and involved. I'm going to post a thorough review and explanation of the work performed when I get it back, but in the mean time it's going to cost around $900 to get it running perfectly (including having the frame welded up and a new barrel fit).

Oh, and some of that is due to mistakes I made. For example, the slide stop needs to be replaced because some dummy with a file overdressed it, and apparently the sear angles I cut with my Ed Brown jig aren't correct and need to be fixed.

Just trying to be fair.

2c5s
08-18-2010, 09:19
Oh, and some of that is due to mistakes I made. For example, the slide stop needs to be replaced because some dummy with a file overdressed it, and apparently the sear angles I cut with my Ed Brown jig aren't correct and need to be fixed.

Just trying to be fair.


Minor issues in the scope of things that were wrong.

RetailNinja
08-18-2010, 11:54
It belongs to a guy on a different forum. He is just trying to get two rounds to feed in a row. Every bullet ends up hung up and looking like this...
As I understand it...the gun is virtually new.


http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/beltjones1/bullets013.jpg

I know I'm late to the party, but a deputy I work with bought a Fusion 5" w/ rail for a work gun. The ramp looks like the one you posted, and it will not feed flat nose or HP ammo. It feeds ball fine. I told him to have a local gunsmith (very talented) polish the ramp and spiff it up but I think he's not interested.

I find this disconcerting.

beltjones
08-18-2010, 12:29
I know I'm late to the party, but a deputy I work with bought a Fusion 5" w/ rail for a work gun. The ramp looks like the one you posted, and it will not feed flat nose or HP ammo. It feeds ball fine. I told him to have a local gunsmith (very talented) polish the ramp and spiff it up but I think he's not interested.

I find this disconcerting.

The problems go way past the ramp polishing in my case (and I'm sure others as well). My general opinion is that at Fusion they either are too busy to do anything right, or they just don't know what they're doing.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
08-18-2010, 12:39
I keep reading all these fabulously positive stories about Fusion, and then I see a few threads with absolutely horrible examples. Not sure what to decide on what's going on....

beltjones
08-18-2010, 15:27
I keep reading all these fabulously positive stories about Fusion, and then I see a few threads with absolutely horrible examples. Not sure what to decide on what's going on....

It's like anything - you have to take it all with a grain of salt.

The anonymity provided by the internet seems to make everyone's vote count the same. If you were at a gun store and some yuppy was blathering on about how he needs a new "clip" for his Ruger, you'd probably not listen to him when he raves about how his 1911 is flawless and beautiful. However, if he posted a few pictures online and seemed to be able to string a sentence together, suddenly he's more credible.

Likewise there are people who are religiously fervent about a particular model or brand (1911 vs Glock anyone?), and though in real life they sound like a nut on a street corner, when they post their crazy rants online people seem to listen. It's bizarre.

One piece of real advice I'll offer is to go to the 1911 forums and look at how Bob Serva answers direct questions. He answers them like Verbal Kint (Kaiser Soze) from the Usual Suspects. "Hey Bob, are those really match barrels you guys use and stamp with the word "match?"

"You know, back when I was a competitive bullseye shooter we realized that there is more to accuracy than a match barrel..."

"Hey Bob, do you guys pay for return shipping if there is a problem?"

"In the past we did not have the ability to send a return shipping label via UPS, but we now have that capability...."

"Hey Bob, you claim you test fired my pistol for accuracy and reliability, but when I received it the wrong barrel was installed. What gives?"

"We'd like to thank our good customers who don't drag our names through the muck and who will handle their grievances with us directly in the manner of our choosing."

SouthpawShootr
08-18-2010, 15:34
The list of things wrong with the pistol is long and involved. I'm going to post a thorough review and explanation of the work performed when I get it back, but in the mean time it's going to cost around $900 to get it running perfectly (including having the frame welded up and a new barrel fit).

One would be tempted to cut one's losses rather than sink anything else into it. If I may ask, how much was the gun originally. Helps me put it in perspective. In the original thread, when HC published what he paid for his and showed off the gun right next to his DW CCO, I just about fell out of my chair.

beltjones
08-18-2010, 16:15
One would be tempted to cut one's losses rather than sink anything else into it. If I may ask, how much was the gun originally. Helps me put it in perspective. In the original thread, when HC published what he paid for his and showed off the gun right next to his DW CCO, I just about fell out of my chair.

I actually did a lot of analysis with regard to whether or not to sink more money into the gun. IIRC, I have about $2000 "invested" with Fusion between the kit, the parts (most of which I didn't use and replaced with better aftermarket stuff), and the refinishing.

I hate to honor sunk costs, but it was worth it to me to send it to someone very reputable to get an assessment of what could be done with it. After that, I considered whether it would be worth it to spend an additional sum of money to have the gun I originally wanted. In the end, I listened to the professional opinion of the gunsmith and went with his recommendations.

Rinspeed
08-18-2010, 16:20
I keep reading all these fabulously positive stories about Fusion,





Same here and my main replay was pretty pictures and 420 rounds don't cut it for making steller 1911 manufacturers reputations. :upeyes:

jsykes
08-22-2010, 23:01
I had quite a few issues with my Fusion when I got it and it was one of the early run of guns. Eventually, he did fix them and the gun now works very well, however, I did have to ship it on my dime to get the fix done for a gun that was never right from the start, oh well.

However, the biggest sticking point in my build is this. When I had mine build, I requested a beveled barrel on my 9mm, much like this photo.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/nighthawk-lady-hawk.gif

However, when I asked about it, I get this response from Bob,

On the barrel we will do a standard crown flush cut. In the pic is a 11 deg. cut, Nice but leaves a thin edge at the contact point of the bushing. Not good.

And now, it seems that every gun coming out of that factory has a beveled barrel.

So which is it Bob? Is it really a bad thing like you told me, or is it only bad till everyone else wanted it and is doing it and now its a good thing to make money with?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/CCO/GaryCCO-12x.jpg

2c5s
08-22-2010, 23:16
I had quite a few issues with my Fusion when I got it and it was one of the early run of guns. Eventually, he did fix them and the gun now works very well, however, I did have to ship it on my dime to get the fix done for a gun that was never right from the start, oh well.

However, the biggest sticking point in my build is this. When I had mine build, I requested a beveled barrel on my 9mm, much like this photo.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/nighthawk-lady-hawk.gif

However, when I asked about it, I get this response from Bob,



And now, it seems that every gun coming out of that factory has a beveled barrel.

So which is it Bob? Is it really a bad thing like you told me, or is it only bad till everyone else wanted it and is doing it and now its a good thing to make money with?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/CCO/GaryCCO-12x.jpg

Flavor of the day for Serva.

So was his account ever validated?

faawrenchbndr
08-23-2010, 06:41
Will the nighmare never end,......?

MD357
08-23-2010, 10:02
I keep reading all these fabulously positive stories about Fusion, and then I see a few threads with absolutely horrible examples. Not sure what to decide on what's going on....

Most of the fabulously positive threads I have seen is on the OTHER site where the subforum is heavily moderated for positive feedback only.

Comedian
08-23-2010, 22:12
Most of the fabulously positive threads I have seen is on the OTHER site where the subforum is heavily moderated for positive feedback only.
This. They lock any thread that does not give glowing reviews of Fusion. I also wasted $1900 on a Commander sized 9mm Fusion. It would not feed more than 2 or 3 rds at a time, and i had to keep tapping the back of the slide, to get it into battery. Also the rear sight came loose after running a few magazines, thru the pistol. I didn't send it back to Fusion, after confering with another member of the Fusion forum, who said his pistol still didn't work after he sent his back.

So i saved myself the heartache, and sold the pistol at a huge loss. I wish i had waited and picked up a Wilson Spec Ops!

HAIL CAESAR
08-23-2010, 23:17
Comedian,

Unfortunately I have a bunch of stories PM'ed to me about that subject.

People had guns that didn't work.

Bob said "No problem, send it in. You have to pay shipping although".
(I know he claims to pay shipping, but I have never heard of anyone that got it paid. Off-line he refuses, but says he does on the forums)

So they send it in. Months later they get it back...still doesn't work.

They call Bob and he says "No problem, send it in ...we'll take care of it."

They send it in again on their dime and months later it returns....still doesn't work.

They call Bob and he says "No problem, send it in ...we'll take care of it."

They get give up and have a real smith fix it, usually for HUNDREDS of dollars.
Or sell it for a HUGE loss.
(Which is maybe what Fusion had in mind.)
It is sad.

pistolwrench
08-23-2010, 23:41
Not 'sad' at all.
Simple Darwinism at work!
There are those that spend $200 on ***** Enhancer Pills that they see on Late Nite TV.
Our world needs those folks, keeps things in balance.

HAIL CAESAR
08-23-2010, 23:45
I think it's sad they get the run around and have to sell it for a loss, or pay somebody to fix a worthless gun with a "lifetime guarantee".

Sarge43
08-24-2010, 00:51
HC,
I followed a trail over here and read every post in this thread. Yes, there is a lot here that isn't posted on the other site. Sounds like you've fought the uphill battle on this one.
I'm going to preface what is coming by saying that my first Fusion - a commander bobtail - is a great pistol. I have had no trouble with it and it's very accurate and well built. I'm very happy with it!
Now, the second part of the story......
I ordered a Fusion CCO on 05AUG09 and settled in. I have no problem waiting and knew that the wait would be long. I'm fine with that. I actually expected the wait to be 8 months, and tried to forget about the build until it was done. The pistol was done in late June 2010, but due to me being out of the country for a while, and my Mother being ill, I asked Bob to hold onto it, and he did. I just picked it up tonight. I won't say much about it yet as I have emailed Bob about the differences, and want to give him the opportunity to address them, but out of the seven build groups listed on the original build sheet, four of the groups are incorrect on the pistol as received. Differences that I would expect anyone doing even a precursory check of the pistol before heading out the door would have caught.
Anyway, I'm sorry for your struggle detailed here. I hope Bob responds to my inquiry tomorrow and meets the request I've made of him to get the pistol closer to what I ordered. I'll let you know either way as soon as I know something.
Sarge

HAIL CAESAR
08-24-2010, 01:18
HC,
I followed a trail over here and read every post in this thread. Yes, there is a lot here that isn't posted on the other site. Sounds like you've fought the uphill battle on this one.
I'm going to preface what is coming by saying that my first Fusion - a commander bobtail - is a great pistol. I have had no trouble with it and it's very accurate and well built. I'm very happy with it!
Now, the second part of the story......
I ordered a Fusion CCO on 05AUG09 and settled in. I have no problem waiting and knew that the wait would be long. I'm fine with that. I actually expected the wait to be 8 months, and tried to forget about the build until it was done. The pistol was done in late June 2010, but due to me being out of the country for a while, and my Mother being ill, I asked Bob to hold onto it, and he did. I just picked it up tonight. I won't say much about it yet as I have emailed Bob about the differences, and want to give him the opportunity to address them, but out of the seven build groups listed on the original build sheet, four of the groups are incorrect on the pistol as received. Differences that I would expect anyone doing even a precursory check of the pistol before heading out the door would have caught.
Anyway, I'm sorry for your struggle detailed here. I hope Bob responds to my inquiry tomorrow and meets the request I've made of him to get the pistol closer to what I ordered. I'll let you know either way as soon as I know something.
Sarge

Sarge,

Glad to see you over here! This is a great site, a lot of 1911 lovers over here with vast amounts of knowledge. Plus they are great folks.

I know Fusion puts out good guns, it is just the ones that make it out that are bad that is troublesome. Even more troublesome is they way Fusion (sometimes) handles the problems.

I REALLY hope he takes care of you....quickly. But my pistol, besides being royally screwed up, had lots of wrong parts. I had it documented on the build sheet and Bob and I talked at lenght about it. Still refused to do anything about it.

Again, this is a recurring theme of most of the "Fusion Horror Story" PM's, Emails, and phone conversations I have have with other folks that got the shaft from Fusion.

Alan

bac1023
08-24-2010, 03:34
HC,
I followed a trail over here and read every post in this thread. Yes, there is a lot here that isn't posted on the other site. Sounds like you've fought the uphill battle on this one.
I'm going to preface what is coming by saying that my first Fusion - a commander bobtail - is a great pistol. I have had no trouble with it and it's very accurate and well built. I'm very happy with it!
Now, the second part of the story......
I ordered a Fusion CCO on 05AUG09 and settled in. I have no problem waiting and knew that the wait would be long. I'm fine with that. I actually expected the wait to be 8 months, and tried to forget about the build until it was done. The pistol was done in late June 2010, but due to me being out of the country for a while, and my Mother being ill, I asked Bob to hold onto it, and he did. I just picked it up tonight. I won't say much about it yet as I have emailed Bob about the differences, and want to give him the opportunity to address them, but out of the seven build groups listed on the original build sheet, four of the groups are incorrect on the pistol as received. Differences that I would expect anyone doing even a precursory check of the pistol before heading out the door would have caught.
Anyway, I'm sorry for your struggle detailed here. I hope Bob responds to my inquiry tomorrow and meets the request I've made of him to get the pistol closer to what I ordered. I'll let you know either way as soon as I know something.
Sarge



:welcome:

bac1023
08-24-2010, 03:39
Comedian,

Unfortunately I have a bunch of stories PM'ed to me about that subject.

People had guns that didn't work.

Bob said "No problem, send it in. You have to pay shipping although".
(I know he claims to pay shipping, but I have never heard of anyone that got it paid. Off-line he refuses, but says he does on the forums)

So they send it in. Months later they get it back...still doesn't work.

They call Bob and he says "No problem, send it in ...we'll take care of it."

They send it in again on their dime and months later it returns....still doesn't work.

They call Bob and he says "No problem, send it in ...we'll take care of it."

They get give up and have a real smith fix it, usually for HUNDREDS of dollars.
Or sell it for a HUGE loss.
(Which is maybe what Fusion had in mind.)
It is sad.


That's a terrible state of affairs at Fusion.

He needs to get his act together.

faawrenchbndr
08-24-2010, 06:18
Sarge43,

Nice to see you here, :welcome:

Still loving the ivory micarta on my Ed Brown! :supergrin:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/KobraCarrywithivoryIV.jpg

Hokie1911
08-24-2010, 06:39
Sarge43,

Nice to see you here, :welcome:

Still loving the ivory micarta on my Ed Brown! :supergrin:

No kidding. Ryan makes the best looking 1911 grips on the market IMHO. Plus he's a hell of a nice guy.

Welcome aboard Sarge!

bac1023
08-24-2010, 06:41
No kidding. Ryan makes the best looking 1911 grips on the market IMHO. Plus he's a hell of a nice guy.

Welcome aboard Sarge!

He does make some very nice looking grips. :cool:

2c5s
08-24-2010, 08:36
HC,
I followed a trail over here and read every post in this thread. Yes, there is a lot here that isn't posted on the other site. Sounds like you've fought the uphill battle on this one.
I'm going to preface what is coming by saying that my first Fusion - a commander bobtail - is a great pistol. I have had no trouble with it and it's very accurate and well built. I'm very happy with it!
Now, the second part of the story......
I ordered a Fusion CCO on 05AUG09 and settled in. I have no problem waiting and knew that the wait would be long. I'm fine with that. I actually expected the wait to be 8 months, and tried to forget about the build until it was done. The pistol was done in late June 2010, but due to me being out of the country for a while, and my Mother being ill, I asked Bob to hold onto it, and he did. I just picked it up tonight. I won't say much about it yet as I have emailed Bob about the differences, and want to give him the opportunity to address them, but out of the seven build groups listed on the original build sheet, four of the groups are incorrect on the pistol as received. Differences that I would expect anyone doing even a precursory check of the pistol before heading out the door would have caught.
Anyway, I'm sorry for your struggle detailed here. I hope Bob responds to my inquiry tomorrow and meets the request I've made of him to get the pistol closer to what I ordered. I'll let you know either way as soon as I know something.
Sarge

Welcome!!

What I don't understand is who is doing the assembly/building of these guns. Who does the final QC before they ship? Nobody notices the fact that these guns does not match the build sheet? Yet, they send them out anyway? That makes zero sense to me. In Sarges case, a 10 month build will turn into god knows how long if he chooses to send the gun back for correction. That's the dumbest longevity business model I've ever heard of.

As I've mentioned before, I've seen this kind of thing on many car boards over the years. The cheerleaders end up looking like fools and the shop just vanishes. Of course, when the shop does the vanishing act, plenty of money goes with it for all those "builds" in progress. You won't catch me near those jokers with a ten foot pole, but I will hang around to watch them flounder.

Sarge43
08-24-2010, 08:58
Well, thank you all for the warm welcome! I appreciate it!
I have an update on my pistol -
I wrote Bob an email at O'dark thirty last night outlining the discrepancies from the build sheet to the actual pistol. First thing this morning he wrote back to me apologizing and offering to send me a UPS tag to send the pistol back to him to take care of them. I have committed the pistol to a Labor Day Shootout and tear down review between it, my DW CCO, and my Wilson BWC CQB, so asked him if it could wait until after that as none of the discrepancies amount to anything that will affect shooting or function. He agreed and told me to just let him know when I would like the tag sent. I don't have an answer for HC's situation and what happened. I don't have an answer to why my pistol shipped with these differences. On the other hand, I don't know at this point, what else I would expect from a builder other than what Bob is doing. I'm not doing any cheerleading here, just giving my opinion. I know that I've screwed up grips unintentionally, and have always been very grateful for an understanding customer on the other end who allows me to make it right. Things happen. Again, I'm not addressing HC's experience here, just my own. I'm willing to let Bob make it right as he's said he will.
Will I order another Fusion in the future? Well, the shootout and tear down review will be more of a factor in that than anything else. The third party doing the shooting, tear down and review is a respected friend and renowned gunsmith. Beyond that he can be totally objective in his reports, so I put a lot of trust in what he says. I'll make the decision on the next Fusion after it's done.
Again, thanks for the welcome! I look forward to hanging around and putting my $0.02 in once in a while.
Sarge

chakup
08-24-2010, 09:05
Sarge- welcome and very much looking forward to the review/report.

Cerebrus
08-24-2010, 09:18
Welcome aboard Sarge!! glad to have ya here.. also I am looking forward to giving you some business one of these days..

Sarge43
08-24-2010, 09:26
Chakup - The review will be posted on another website and I would be more than happy to post a link to it here if that's permitted. I don't want to be the noob coming in and breaking the rules. At the very least, I will post when the review is done and anyone wanting the link can email or PM me. Again, it's taking place over the Labor Day weekend, so we've got a little time.

Cerebrus - Thank you. It's good to be here. :thumbsup:
Sarge

MD357
08-24-2010, 09:28
Can't wait for that review, it will be interesting to see a comparison and the response.

CMG
08-24-2010, 11:50
Welcome!!

What I don't understand is who is doing the assembly/building of these guns. Who does the final QC before they ship? Nobody notices the fact that these guns does not match the build sheet? Yet, they send them out anyway? That makes zero sense to me. In Sarges case, a 10 month build will turn into god knows how long if he chooses to send the gun back for correction. That's the dumbest longevity business model I've ever heard of.

As I've mentioned before, I've seen this kind of thing on many car boards over the years. The cheerleaders end up looking like fools and the shop just vanishes. Of course, when the shop does the vanishing act, plenty of money goes with it for all those "builds" in progress. You won't catch me near those jokers with a ten foot pole, but I will hang around to watch them flounder.

It does lead one to wonder just how full Fusion keeps the pockets of the other forum, in order to be given a customer pool who only hears from the happy buyers.

It'd be interesting to see the results of a class-action lawsuit filed against both Fusion and the other forum (as an accomplice in the deception of consumers). :whistling:

Carrots
08-24-2010, 12:09
It'd be interesting to see the results of a class-action lawsuit filed against both Fusion and the other forum (as an accomplice in the deception of consumers). :whistling:

Indeed.
I can't wait for someone with some balls to get shafted by these clowns. The only constants that I see are good folks waiting too long for guns that are either not as ordered or just plain built wrong and then happily acquiescing about “these things happen” and “I am happy to let Bob fixed the problems”. With a little less understanding and a few more chargeback’s and real world disputes people might start seeing what they have paid for in the first place. It boggles my mind that a company whose primary (only?) real selling point is “have it your way” keeps getting pass after pass from people who do not get what they wanted. Bend over again eh.

2c5s
08-24-2010, 12:43
Anyone have the ability and desire to check IP addresses? I bet some of the biggest Fusion cheerleaders are in fact, Fusion.

CMG
08-24-2010, 13:00
Back when BS-the-used-car-salesman ran DW, the 1911Forum folks made him the moderator of the DW section there.

He had tons of excuses back then too!

asiparks
08-24-2010, 13:24
Hi Sarge.

Given that you are a well known, dare I say, respected poster over on the other site, and that for some time you've been mentioning doing a teardown review, I'm kind of surprised that Bob didn't personally take the effort to look your pistol over before sending it out....Problems could have been caught and rectified whilst he was holding on to it for you...

chakup
08-24-2010, 13:25
Chakup - The review will be posted on another website and I would be more than happy to post a link to it here if that's permitted. I don't want to be the noob coming in and breaking the rules. At the very least, I will post when the review is done and anyone wanting the link can email or PM me. Again, it's taking place over the Labor Day weekend, so we've got a little time.

Cerebrus - Thank you. It's good to be here. :thumbsup:
Sarge

Oh I see you over there!! gunsmith are I'm ASSuming when done?

And I rthink HC did a pretty good job of standing up for what's right.

MD357
08-24-2010, 13:25
Back when BS-the-used-car-salesman ran DW, the 1911Forum folks made him the moderator of the DW section there.

He had tons of excuses back then too!

Funny thing is, I don't think anyone can argue the upward direction DW headed AFTER he left. Speaks volumes to me.

bac1023
08-24-2010, 13:38
Funny thing is, I don't think anyone can argue the upward direction DW headed AFTER he left. Speaks volumes to me.

Very true. Whether it was a coincidence or not, DW has improved a great deal over the last couple of years.

jsykes
08-24-2010, 14:49
On the other hand, I don't know at this point, what else I would expect from a builder other than what Bob is doing.

I would expect it to be close to being right from the start.

Things like this are not hard to do. You look over a pistol before it ships and make sure it matches the build sheet. Making sure things like color and proper parts is something a child can do.

Yes, things happen, but this kind of thing happens WAY, WAY too much with Fusion when its such a simple QC check before shipping that can solve these issues.

I mentioned above I had issues with mine, but didnt go into it.

Mine showed up with it simply not working. Wouldnt feed two rounds. Somehow though I had a bag of shells that had supposedly been fired, butI dont see how that is possible considering it wouldnt cycle with ANY round on the market and I was just told to "break it in."

Additionally, the hammer was not square to the slide and came back at an angle. Easy thing to see.

It never worked and I had to pay to send it back.

Besides that, the color of the slide was wrong. It was supposed to be all grey and was grey with black slide. Not an easy thing to miss if they just looked at the build sheet.

It had the wrong trigger in it as well.

Again, easy things to check with a simple look at the build sheet. IMO, there is no excuse for any gun going out the door that does not match a build sheet EXACTLY. That is something that should not be a "things happen" kind of deal.

Comedian
08-24-2010, 18:34
I think it's sad they get the run around and have to sell it for a loss, or pay somebody to fix a worthless gun with a "lifetime guarantee".
My mistake was thinking that i would get a great pistol, after i read so many posts from folks that were quite happy with their Fusion's. I wish i had the chance to get a more balanced view on the Fusion forum. It's too late for me, but hopefully some folks that are thinking about ordering a Fusion, will come accross this thread. Or other threads like it.

CMG
08-24-2010, 18:45
Funny thing is, I don't think anyone can argue the upward direction DW headed AFTER he left. Speaks volumes to me.

Yep, my 2009 DW PM9 is awesome, but I'd never have considered it before CZ-USA took over.

Texas Bulldog
08-24-2010, 20:00
Funny thing is, I don't think anyone can argue the upward direction DW headed AFTER he left. Speaks volumes to me.
:rofl:

2c5s
08-24-2010, 23:37
:rofl:

:cheerleader::aodnsb:

HAIL CAESAR
08-25-2010, 00:31
Funny thing is, I don't think anyone can argue the upward direction DW headed AFTER he left. Speaks volumes to me.

That is the truth. Whether the product quality uptick at DW had anything to do with him is leaving debatable. But I would agree.


And I rthink HC did a pretty good job of standing up for what's right.

Thank you. It's been a long road, and on the other site I was ridiculed and told to shut up and like my Fusion...just because they liked theirs or liked the one they ordered and hadn't even received yet.

My mistake was thinking that i would get a great pistol, after i read so many posts from folks that were quite happy with their Fusion's. I wish i had the chance to get a more balanced view on the Fusion forum. It's too late for me, but hopefully some folks that are thinking about ordering a Fusion, will come accross this thread. Or other threads like it.

I know what you mean. That is why the total censorship of all negative things is bad.

BTW..other than mine being a total wreck, mine came with the wrong hammer and grip safety.

MD357
08-25-2010, 09:00
HC, did you see that he's taking on 9 x 23?? :whistling: I like how their railed guns are just re-badged STIs? I'd be downright pissed if I paid over $1500-2000+ for machine checkering like that.

FusionVictim
08-25-2010, 13:05
Okay, here's my take on the situation:

Bob's legendary customer service - isn't.

There are far too many people, myself included originally, that are are/were impressed by the fact that the president of the firm answers the phone. But that man needs some organization like no other I've ever seen.

On my build (a 5" .40S&W), he would routinely forget or miss completely things discussed in email. He called me one day saying, "Hey, I have down here that you wanted Novak night sights with a Bomar cut ... which is it?" I explained that I never said anything about Bomar and always wanted Novaks.

If you send him an email with more than 1 item in it - you seriously need to fully expect that everything but the first item will not get read. I can't tell you how many times I would write him an email or reply to an email of his only to have the first item in my email addressed - the rest completely ignored.

My build had all kinds of problems:


Thumb safety not fit at all - impossible to engage. No way gun was ever test fired.
Thumb safety would allow hammer to fall without touching trigger in certain situations.
Magazine followers constantly jumping the slide stop (7 out of every 10 magazines would fail to lock back)
Constant failure to feed and failure to extract problems later tracked down to an improperly fit extractor.
POA != POI (that's developer speak for "point-of-aim is not equal to point-of-impact" - my gun shoots about 4" low at 10 yards).
Flush cut slide stop pin is cut, but not exactly flush.
Flush cut barrel is cut on a bit of an angle - top of barrel sticks out of bushing, bottom does not.
Grip safety fit so loosely it rattles when I do anything other than walk at a normal pace. You can quite literally hear me coming up and down stairs.


In talking with Bob about these issues, two things became immediately apparent. The first was that he really doesn't know what he personally is doing as far as building 1911s. He was completely wrong on simple things, like which recoil spring to use on a .40. That's okay though, he runs the company and being a successful company doesn't necessarily mean that the owner has to know everything, he just needs to make sure he surrounds himself with people that do.

The second, and much more important one, is that he has an amazing book of excuses from which he digs. Upon hearing that it was physically impossible to work the thumb safety I was told that they "build 'em tight like that, it'll loosen with use". When I realized I could get the hammer to fall, I was questioned as to whether or not I knew how to use a 1911. When I brought gun home, inserted a magazine with a dummy round, dropped the slide via slide stop, and had a failure to feed, "Don't use the slide stop, use the racking method.". 4 seconds later, when that too failed, "We build 'em tight - work it a little first."

From the range, when I realized that the slide rarely locked back, "You probably damaged the magazine followers (all 3 of them), by trying to insert too many rounds into the mag.". When I finally tore down the gun, took a look at what was going on with the thumb safety, and realized that it had never been fit at all, "Your original safety was damaged by the folks at Ion-Bond, we had to rush-fit another for you last minute." (Please remember that I had already been given two other excuses for why my thumb safety failed - as well as the obligatory, "It worked when we tested it.").

On the failure to feeds and extracts I was given the following:

The .40S&W cartridge was never designed for 180gr bullets - they are too big. Try 165s. (I almost **** my pants on that one).
(with my FMJ range ammo) It's that brand of ammo - they are extremely inconsistent.
(with my DT defense ammo) It's that brand of ammo - they are extremely inconsistent.
The extractor is tight at first, it'll loosen up with use (by this point I'd already had over 1K rounds through the gun trying to work out the bugs)
It worked when we test fired it. (got this one more times than I can count)


I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. Oh yeah, the side of the plunger that holds the slide stop in place was WAY too long and prevented me from reinstalling the slide stop if the plunger assembly/thumb safety were already in place - so I had to learn to reassemble the gun differently - didn't even bother telling him that one - just fixed it myself. I eventually got so sick of the excuses and the requests to waste more of my own ammo on trying to work the problem out that I just fixed the gun myself - it isn't exactly rocket science.

The slide stop issue was due to a combination of the overly long plunger putting too much pressure on the stop, and the crap Metalform mags that were used. Filing down the plunger and changing over to Wilson ETM's fixed that problem.

The failure to feeds and extracts were due to improper extractor hook depth coupled with a barrel that has an incorrect feed ramp angle. The extractor took 30 minutes to fix with some instructions from the good smiths on the other forum and a file. The barrel was harder - the proper way to do it was to have a new barrel fitted - but I wasn't about to throw bad money after good, so I went another route. I had the barrel reamed to 10mm.

10mm has an OAL very similar to the .45ACP and would not be allowed to rotate as far downward as a .40 would using the same mags due to the shorter distance between bullet nose and barrel. I also polished the hell out of the breech face and ramp. To be honest - these not only did the trick, but I now have the slickest feeding gun I've ever personally owned. It will properly feed with everything from a 9lb to a 24lb recoil spring ... it functions quite well in this regard.

I don't post my story much on the forums for a two reasons. First is that it will be almost immediately locked over at the other forum (funny how that works isn't it). Second is that, to be fair, I never gave Bob a real shot at fixing the problems - not that he was exactly jumping at the chance either. From some of my earlier conversations with him, it became obvious that he wasn't the pistol smith that I thought he was and based on the gun I'd been given, I had my doubts as to how well it would have been fixed considering how badly mangled it was when it went out the door the first time. In this regard - I never really did give Bob a fair shake.

The gun works flawlessly now though there are still things that bother me about it (rattling grip safety, flush cut barrel that isn't, flush cut slide stop that isn't, not all parts of gun are Ion-Bonded despite the fact that I paid for an all Ion-Bond gun).

Bob is a very nice guy. That has been said before and I will repeat it, because it's true. But he needs to get organized, he needs to put together some sort of quality control program, and he needs to stop taking things personally. I think that's his real problem. I always got the feeling when I was telling him what was wrong with my gun that he was getting upset and making excuses because he was upset. I never got the feeling that he was deliberately trying to get rid of me. If you look at the way he treated Hail Ceasar, that also shows that he tends to take things personally. I should note that I was never rude or even excited, I would just calmly explain what the problem was and what I had tried to do to remedy it.

That's my $0.02. I'll carry this thing a little while longer, sell it, and get either a CQB or a TRS to replace it.

bac1023
08-25-2010, 13:06
FusionVictim, I love the name. LOL!

FusionVictim
08-25-2010, 13:12
FusionVictim, I love the name. LOL!

Wish it could be "LoveMyFusion" - but that's life.

Rinspeed
08-25-2010, 13:50
On my build (a 5" .40S&W), he would routinely forget or miss completely things discussed in email. He called me one day saying, "Hey, I have down here that you wanted Novak night sights with a Bomar cut ... which is it?" I explained that I never said anything about Bomar and always wanted Novaks.


The slide stop issue was due to a combination of the overly long plunger putting too much pressure on the stop, and the crap Metalform mags that were used. Filing down the plunger and changing over to Wilson ETM's fixed that problem.

The failure to feeds and extracts were due to improper extractor hook depth coupled with a barrel that has an incorrect feed ramp angle. The extractor took 30 minutes to fix with some instructions from the good smiths on the other forum and a file. The barrel was harder - the proper way to do it was to have a new barrel fitted


The gun works flawlessly now though there are still things that bother me about it (rattling grip safety, flush cut barrel that isn't, flush cut slide stop that isn't, not all parts of gun are Ion-Bonded despite the fact that I paid for an all Ion-Bond gun).
either a CQB or a TRS to replace it.






Maybe you're just too picky....








































J/K



:rofl: :rofl:

Hokie1911
08-25-2010, 13:55
:homer: DOH!

bac1023
08-25-2010, 15:02
Wish it could be "LoveMyFusion" - but that's life.

I hear you...

bac1023
08-25-2010, 15:03
QUOTE]

Easy for you to say. You've gotten what.....5 flawless, badass pistolas this summer (so far)? :tongueout:

How much longer on your NN?

Hokie, I think you confused Jeff and Joe. ;)

Hokie1911
08-25-2010, 15:11
Hokie, I think you confused Jeff and Joe. ;)

I thought it was Joe that had responded to that, not Jeff. Ooops.

HAIL CAESAR
08-26-2010, 23:48
FusionVictim,

Thanks for posting. I appreciate everybody that does post. A lot of folks that have had nightmares with Fusion are afraid to talk publicly about it. I have talked to some in PM and some on the phone. They seem to be ashamed ( for some unnecessary reason) that they got taken by Fusion.

Your story is like a lot of others I have heard, especially about the gun not built to order and a thumb safety not working.

I know Fusion has put out good guns. But I just want EVERYONE to be able to tell their stories, not just the cheerleader stories that you MUST write everywhere else.

BTW..a thread OTS was deleted today because of people posting negative stories.:upeyes:

bac1023
08-27-2010, 05:10
They seem to be ashamed ( for some unnecessary reason) that they got taken by Fusion.



That's a shame Alan.

You're right, its not necessary and they certainly aren't at fault.

If I had an experience similar to yours or FusionVictim's, you can bet I'd be telling anyone that would listen.

Quack
08-27-2010, 08:22
Bob in here yet?

nope...

ok, bye :wavey:





:rofl:

FusionVictim
08-27-2010, 08:52
It's a combination of a few things.

A) Drinking the coolaide enough before you get your gun. Believing the coolaide enough to actually go and dish out coolaide to others ... that's embarassing.

B) Not giving Bob his fair shake. I personally don't like to see people who bash a company because their product doesn't work out of the box, and who never gave their customer-service a chance. Fact is, there isn't a single gun manufacturer in the world who hasn't released a dud - the true measure of a company is how they stand behind their product. In my particular case, my very early dealings with Bob left me uneasy and frankly, unwilling to send the gun back to him. I had more faith in my ability to fix the gun, it has always been something I wanted to do anyway, and I did just that. Despite never having filed on a gun before, I did a little research, got out some files, and fit my thumb safety, extractor, and polished some bits myself. I took care of the plunger, replaced the magazines, and now she runs like a champ. Can I fault Bob for not fixing my gun - not really - so dragging his company through the mud over and over again isn't exactly fair. I feel the need to make this point, and I made this point in my original post because I want everyone who reads my story to understand that.

C) I still technically want to stay on Bob's good side. If my slide cracks or something severe breaks on the gun, I hope that my "warranty" is still honored. Bob is also generous to his customers. I lost some part to my Fusion one day during a detail-strip -- a plunger or guide rod plug or something (I don't remember). When I called Bob to order another - 4 of that part showed up in my mailbox a few days later free of charge. I ordered some springs one day through his website because he had the best prices - automatically paid by credit-card on the site. A few days later I get a phone call from Bob. He noticed the invoice or something, saw my name, and told me that next time - just call him and he'll send some over ... no charge. One day a Fusion baseball hat arrived in my mailbox. I didn't even know they had hats at the time - that was nice. Does it make up for my disappointment in the gun, no, but it takes a lot of the sting away.

As I said in my original post - I really think Bob is a truly nice guy. I just think he takes things too personally and he needs to throw out the excuse book. I have much more respect for "I goofed - send it in and we'll fix it" than I do for "It must be those MetalForm mags, we got a bad batch." or "The guys at Ion-Bond are holding up your gun" or the myriad of other excuses that take all blame off of Fusion.

bac1023
08-27-2010, 11:09
Bob in here yet?

nope...

ok, bye :wavey:





:rofl:

:rofl::rofl:

CMG
08-27-2010, 15:49
It's a combination of a few things.

A) Drinking the coolaide enough before you get your gun. Believing the coolaide enough to actually go and dish out coolaide to others ... that's embarassing.

B) Not giving Bob his fair shake. I personally don't like to see people who bash a company because their product doesn't work out of the box, and who never gave their customer-service a chance. Fact is, there isn't a single gun manufacturer in the world who hasn't released a dud - the true measure of a company is how they stand behind their product. In my particular case, my very early dealings with Bob left me uneasy and frankly, unwilling to send the gun back to him. I had more faith in my ability to fix the gun, it has always been something I wanted to do anyway, and I did just that. Despite never having filed on a gun before, I did a little research, got out some files, and fit my thumb safety, extractor, and polished some bits myself. I took care of the plunger, replaced the magazines, and now she runs like a champ. Can I fault Bob for not fixing my gun - not really - so dragging his company through the mud over and over again isn't exactly fair. I feel the need to make this point, and I made this point in my original post because I want everyone who reads my story to understand that.

C) I still technically want to stay on Bob's good side. If my slide cracks or something severe breaks on the gun, I hope that my "warranty" is still honored. Bob is also generous to his customers. I lost some part to my Fusion one day during a detail-strip -- a plunger or guide rod plug or something (I don't remember). When I called Bob to order another - 4 of that part showed up in my mailbox a few days later free of charge. I ordered some springs one day through his website because he had the best prices - automatically paid by credit-card on the site. A few days later I get a phone call from Bob. He noticed the invoice or something, saw my name, and told me that next time - just call him and he'll send some over ... no charge. One day a Fusion baseball hat arrived in my mailbox. I didn't even know they had hats at the time - that was nice. Does it make up for my disappointment in the gun, no, but it takes a lot of the sting away.

As I said in my original post - I really think Bob is a truly nice guy. I just think he takes things too personally and he needs to throw out the excuse book. I have much more respect for "I goofed - send it in and we'll fix it" than I do for "It must be those MetalForm mags, we got a bad batch." or "The guys at Ion-Bond are holding up your gun" or the myriad of other excuses that take all blame off of Fusion.

Yes, but if you build the gun correctly the first time, your customers will be happy with a card-board box!

:supergrin:

Quack
08-27-2010, 15:59
Yes, but if you build the gun correctly the first time, your customers will be happy with a card-board box!

:supergrin:

you can't say that about the Commanche :tongueout:

Comedian
08-27-2010, 19:17
I dont see how Bob Serva is a nice guy. He's taking large sums of money and in some cases delivering a really crap product in return. How does that add up to him being a "nice" guy? It's obvious to me, that Bob couldn't care less when someone gets one of his crap pistols.

bac1023
08-27-2010, 20:05
I dont see how Bob Serva is a nice guy. He's taking large sums of money and in some cases delivering a really crap product in return. How does that add up to him being a "nice" guy? It's obvious to me, that Bob couldn't care less when someone gets one of his crap pistols.

He probably meant that he's a nice guy to talk to.

Obviously, he's a poor and somewhat dishonest businessman.

CMG
08-27-2010, 20:07
you can't say that about the Commanche :tongueout:

I'm not much of a Baer fan to begin with, but it does boggle the mind why he is so stubborn about the Commander vs Gov't Model frames. :upeyes:

Rinspeed
08-27-2010, 20:32
I'm not much of a Baer fan to begin with,





Fool. :upeyes:










:tongueout:

bac1023
08-27-2010, 20:36
It does surprise me when I see people who don't like Baers. They are a little different than most of their competition, but that's what I really like about them.

Thay have a lot of character. I find that cool. :cool:

BlayGlock
08-27-2010, 20:47
Thay have a lot of character. I find that cool. :cool:

Ill second that.

CMG
08-27-2010, 21:40
It does surprise me when I see people who don't like Baers. They are a little different than most of their competition, but that's what I really like about them.

Thay have a lot of character. I find that cool. :cool:

It's not a thing that's easy for me to pinpoint, just something about the aesthetics of the Baers that makes me squint and shake my head. The Premier II of a friend shoots great, and seems well made, but they just aren't on my list of favorites.

If I was going to pony up the asking price for a Baer, I'd prefer a pistol that made me :supergrin: every time I caught sight of it.

38 Super Fan
08-27-2010, 21:54
It does surprise me when I see people who don't like Baers. They are a little different than most of their competition, but that's what I really like about them.

Thay have a lot of character. I find that cool. :cool:
I like Baers too, maybe I'll own one someday. That hardchromed SRP you have is probably my favorite Baer I've ever seen.

bac1023
08-28-2010, 06:49
I like Baers too, maybe I'll own one someday. That hardchromed SRP you have is probably my favorite Baer I've ever seen.

Thanks.

I also love that gun. Its a great shooter.

It just so happens that I snapped a couple of new pics yesterday for my guide.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/007-4.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/002-24.jpg







The stainless Concept V is also a great gun for a good deal less money. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009-10.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/004-18.jpg

38 Super Fan
08-28-2010, 09:52
Thanks.

I also love that gun. Its a great shooter.

It just so happens that I snapped a couple of new pics yesterday for my guide.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/007-4.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/002-24.jpg







The stainless Concept V is also a great gun for a good deal less money. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009-10.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/004-18.jpg:wow:You're right, these two are nearly identical at a glance. In fact, besides the SRP marking and the sights, what is the difference? I guess the SRP isn't stainless?

bac1023
08-28-2010, 14:15
:wow:You're right, these two are nearly identical at a glance. In fact, besides the SRP marking and the sights, what is the difference? I guess the SRP isn't stainless?

The SRP is carbon steel with a hard chrome finish. It has Baer's 1.5" accuracy guarantee, which can't be had on the stainless guns. It also has a carry bevel package, a "tactical action job", and a checkered mainspring housing.

The SRP is a better gun.

Rinspeed
08-28-2010, 16:56
...And the SRP comes in a $250 box.

HAIL CAESAR
08-28-2010, 21:26
Sarge,

I REALLY hope your gun gets fixed to your satisfaction. I can not understand how they let things out like that.

Not picking on yours too much, but yours appears to have some of the same issues as mine. Your pics of the back of the slide and frame appear as the same baboon with a Dremel attacked yours as they did mine.

Notice how the extractor is unevenly and wildly beveled..?? And the frame rails are strangely and unevenly beveled..?? Same with the slide..??

Whatever you do, make SURE you keep a email dialogue with him. That way everything is documented so no more "I never said that".
If you send something and he doesn't address something in your email, make sure you send another to him making sure he addresses the issue in a reply.
I know this sounds strange, but trust me (unfortunately) you may need that.

You need to call me sometime. PM me if you don't have my number anymore.

bac1023
08-28-2010, 23:28
...And the SRP comes in a $250 box.

:rofl::rofl:

True, it comes in a presentation case and with three mags. :)

MD357
08-29-2010, 00:23
Sarge,

I REALLY hope your gun gets fixed to your satisfaction. I can not understand how they let things out like that.

Not picking on yours too much, but yours appears to have some of the same issues as mine. Your pics of the back of the slide and frame appear as the same baboon with a Dremel attacked yours as they did mine.

Notice how the extractor is unevenly and wildly beveled..?? And the frame rails are strangely and unevenly beveled..?? Same with the slide..??

Whatever you do, make SURE you keep a email dialogue with him. That way everything is documented so no more "I never said that".
If you send something and he doesn't address something in your email, make sure you send another to him making sure he addresses the issue in a reply.
I know this sounds strange, but trust me (unfortunately) you may need that.

You need to call me sometime. PM me if you don't have my number anymore.

I just don't understand why people think these are equal to a Wilson, NH, Baer, Brown etc because they are far from. :dunno:

HAIL CAESAR
08-29-2010, 01:50
I just don't understand why people think these are equal to a Wilson, NH, Baer, Brown etc because they are far from. :dunno:

The newer Fusion's are more in line with RIA with a fancy coating and a bad carry bevel.

Parts on finished guns not the same as ordered by customer.
Defective parts.
Horrible craftsmanship.
Shoddy quality control.
Horrific customer service.

bac1023
08-29-2010, 05:49
I just don't understand why people think these are equal to a Wilson, NH, Baer, Brown etc because they are far from. :dunno:

I never understood that either.

I have a good Fusion built a long while back, but I've said many times that its a production grade gun regardless of how much it can be customized.

bac1023
08-29-2010, 05:50
The newer Fusion's are more in line with RIA with a fancy coating and a bad carry bevel.



:rofl:

You're probably right, Alan.

jsykes
08-29-2010, 14:01
I just don't understand why people think these are equal to a Wilson, NH, Baer, Brown etc because they are far from. :dunno:

I agree. I have a Fusion that was an early one and after my issues were addressed by Bob, it makes for a good gun. However, its NOT anywhere in the same league as my Wilson when it comes to finishing touches and overall fit and finish.

bac1023
08-29-2010, 14:03
I just don't understand why people think these are equal to a Wilson, NH, Baer, Brown etc because they are far from. :dunno:

I never understood that either.

I have a good Fusion built a long while back, but I've said many times that its a production grade gun regardless of how much it can be customized.

I agree. I have a Fusion that was an early one and after my issues were addressed by Bob, it makes for a good gun. However, its NOT anywhere in the same league as my Wilson when it comes to finishing touches and overall fit and finish.


The big problem is that Fusion's prices have gone up to the point of being in the semi-custom territory.

That's a flat-out joke.

Wade-19
08-29-2010, 14:19
The big problem is that Fusion's prices have gone up to the point of being in the semi-custom territory.

That's a flat-out joke.

I speced a stainless 9mm bobtail with them last winter and it was a little over $1800. Kieth at DW built me one for a few hundred less this year, and it is probably twice the gun from what I've read on here. I don't know that it qualifies as a custom either , but it was built by Kieth only.

nolt
08-29-2010, 14:40
i dont own a fusion but it seems to me that they are just a bit more extreme version of my personal opinion of dan wesson... too many problems for so few guns.

jsykes
08-29-2010, 14:46
When I got mine, it was a good option. I came out around $1500 or so, bit more than an off the shelf Springfield or something similar, yet I had the option of having it built to my specs, color, sights, etc. Also, at the time, it was supposed to be the quality of a gun built by hand rather than an off the shelf gun.

In the end, after issues addressed, I believe I got that. Its built better than most off the shelf guns I see and its to my specs.

However, its no Wilson or Baer as others seem to want to believe. The fit and finish, as said, is nowhere near the same. Sure, it cost about $1000 less than my CQB, but its definitely not the same as some would want you to believe.

You do get what you pay for. And unfortunately, these days, it seems with Fusion, you could end up getting less. :upeyes:

SouthpawShootr
08-29-2010, 14:56
i dont own a fusion but it seems to me that they are just a bit more extreme version of my personal opinion of dan wesson... too many problems for so few guns.

Pre-CZ DW and Fusion do have one other thing in common, though. Care to guess what that is?

Quack
08-29-2010, 15:03
Pre-CZ DW and Fusion do have one other thing in common, though. Care to guess what that is?

:dunno::rofl:

bac1023
08-29-2010, 15:05
Pre-CZ DW and Fusion do have one other thing in common, though. Care to guess what that is?

:laughabove:

CMG
08-29-2010, 15:25
Pre-CZ DW and Fusion do have one other thing in common, though. Care to guess what that is?

Used car salesmen never die, they just move on to a different lot?

:supergrin:

bac1023
08-29-2010, 15:38
Used car salesmen never die, they just move on to a different lot?

:supergrin:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

You've got that right. ;)

nolt
08-30-2010, 13:24
i thought about that when i was typing my above post but that was just sort of an incidental...

=]

Remjin
08-31-2010, 15:55
Well, followed this over from 1911forums... and it is depressing how you've been treated. I already have my order in, back when I didn't see any negative stuff against Fusion. I got the pick your grip email yesterday, and I'm now awaiting the final stages of this whole thing.

Hopefully, all will be well. I don't expect a Les Baer or anything, but I didn't pay for a Les Baer or other high end custom. There have been several happy customers on the other forum, so I'm hoping I can be one of those. After reading all of the negatives of late, though, I do have to say I'm a bit concerned.

I'm glad you got a refund check, though, and that it is all finally resolved. I'm sad to hear that so many have had bad dealings with Fusion. I'm sure that we're all alike in at least one thing... we like to get what we paid for with the least amount of hassle, and I feel for the folks who have not.

HAIL CAESAR
09-01-2010, 23:06
Well, followed this over from 1911forums... and it is depressing how you've been treated. I already have my order in, back when I didn't see any negative stuff against Fusion. I got the pick your grip email yesterday, and I'm now awaiting the final stages of this whole thing.

Hopefully, all will be well. I don't expect a Les Baer or anything, but I didn't pay for a Les Baer or other high end custom. There have been several happy customers on the other forum, so I'm hoping I can be one of those. After reading all of the negatives of late, though, I do have to say I'm a bit concerned.

I'm glad you got a refund check, though, and that it is all finally resolved. I'm sad to hear that so many have had bad dealings with Fusion. I'm sure that we're all alike in at least one thing... we like to get what we paid for with the least amount of hassle, and I feel for the folks who have not.

Thank you Remjin.

Welcome to the site. A lot of good folks over here. Actually these folks are one of the reasons I didn't go insane about the Fusion nightmare.
On the OTS all I heard was "But I love my Fusion, so shut up." And "I love my Fusion, even though I haven't gotten it yet. But shut up anyway!!":rofl:

I hope yours comes out great, and it probably will. I wish the best for you.

If it is a mess, I will pray for you.

Remjin
09-02-2010, 06:11
Thank you Remjin.

Welcome to the site. A lot of good folks over here. Actually these folks are one of the reasons I didn't go insane about the Fusion nightmare.
On the OTS all I heard was "But I love my Fusion, so shut up." And "I love my Fusion, even though I haven't gotten it yet. But shut up anyway!!":rofl:

I hope yours comes out great, and it probably will. I wish the best for you.

If it is a mess, I will pray for you.
Yeah, I've wandered about quite a bit. A lot of variety here. I expected it to be less so for some reason. I've always disliked the "how dare you say something about my..." type attitude towards any brand... or how it always has to turn into a hostile flame war. Seems silly to me. Personally, I'd like to know when someone has a genuine gripe so I can make an informed decision.

I'm going to go with the cart and horse analogy for my personal weapon and try not to get all worried about it until after I get it. No reason to worry if it comes out fine, and just start the whole process if it isn't... but I'm not going to get all up in arms about it until then. Thanks for the site recommendation, though, its pretty sweet over here. =)

bac1023
09-02-2010, 07:43
Well, followed this over from 1911forums... and it is depressing how you've been treated. I already have my order in, back when I didn't see any negative stuff against Fusion. I got the pick your grip email yesterday, and I'm now awaiting the final stages of this whole thing.

Hopefully, all will be well. I don't expect a Les Baer or anything, but I didn't pay for a Les Baer or other high end custom. There have been several happy customers on the other forum, so I'm hoping I can be one of those. After reading all of the negatives of late, though, I do have to say I'm a bit concerned.

I'm glad you got a refund check, though, and that it is all finally resolved. I'm sad to hear that so many have had bad dealings with Fusion. I'm sure that we're all alike in at least one thing... we like to get what we paid for with the least amount of hassle, and I feel for the folks who have not.

:welcome:

As Alan stated, I also hope you get a good example.

Mine has been good, but that was a couple years back when the company first got off the ground.

Remjin
09-02-2010, 15:39
:welcome:

As Alan stated, I also hope you get a good example.

Mine has been good, but that was a couple years back when the company first got off the ground.
Thanks for the welcome. I hope so too. I'm going to go ahead and give Fusion the benefit of the doubt, as I can only speak to how a company treats people in regards to myself. Thus far, my dealings with Bob and Fusion have been good, and I'm going to go ahead and assume that this will continue until proven otherwise. The other accounts on this forum and others will be taken into consideration thereafter if/when I decide to purchase another pistol, as well as my own personal experiences.

Here's to hoping it all goes well. I'm still waiting for pictures and a send date. I was told that the pistol shot a little low with the sights they had so they're adding a higher rear site, then off to pictures and then shipping. Bob offered to just leave the current sight on and then send me the higher sight later, but I opted to just wait for the higher rear sight to arrive and have them install it. They had the standard rear sight but not the tritium in stock, but had some on order already, so it should arrive this week and hopefully be off to me by next week.

Fusion Victim II
09-04-2010, 14:34
The second, and much more important one, is that he has an amazing book of excuses from which he digs. Upon hearing that it was physically impossible to work the thumb safety I was told that they "build 'em tight like that, it'll loosen with use". When I realized I could get the hammer to fall, I was questioned as to whether or not I knew how to use a 1911. When I brought gun home, inserted a magazine with a dummy round, dropped the slide via slide stop, and had a failure to feed, "Don't use the slide stop, use the racking method.". 4 seconds later, when that too failed, "We build 'em tight - work it a little first."

FusionVictim,
Thank you for your post. While my experience with Fusion is nothing compared to HC's or your's, the above is what really blows me away. After a very long, well over due arrival last November, my Fusion would not even chamber a first round upon delivery. During both e:mail and phone conversations with Fusion, I was politely told I knew nothing about 1911's if I wasn't chambering the first round by using the slide stop. "Do NOT use the racking method as the pressure isn't constant when you do that." I wish BS would make up his mind! Long story short, the end result after repeated attempts to collect $72 in return shipping, I got stuck with the bill inspite of the barrel having to be throated and conditioned to make it function. Just a couple of very obvious questions:


Why have a warranty stating Fusion is liable for freight on a defective gun that obviously went out the door with no test firing?
Why broadcast publicly to having a UPS label shipping program for two years and never use it?
Why would anyone want all this free adverstising for $72 based on the profit per firearm? So few Fusions are like ours, you would think it wouldn't break the Fusion coffers.:rofl:
And lastly, why was I stupid enough to order another Fusion two weeks before the first one was delivered?:dunno:
As far as customer service goes, Fusion is missing the 10 ring with way too many excuses and not enough good old fashioned fix my mistakes and make them right regardless of the cost.

2c5s
09-04-2010, 15:20
Why would anyone want all this free adverstising for $72 based on the profit per firearm?



Because BS thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Because he can control the content of one 1911 board he thinks he's golden. Wait until one of his cheerleaders gets stung.

HAIL CAESAR
09-04-2010, 21:32
Ahhhh, more and more "Fusion Victims" are coming out of the woodwork.

I beg everyone that has had a issue to speak up. Please, if you have sent me emails or PM's now is the time to SPEAK UP!!!

I too had issues of a short chambered barrel. Funny that I had a baggy full of fired brass...but I couldn't beat a 38 Super loaded cartridge into the barrel.:whistling:

I too had the "we don't ever pay for return shipping" speech, only to read Bob bragging on the OTS that he has had a return shipping policy for "years" and "gladly pays".:upeyes:

I see more and more of guns being shipped that do not match the invoice. Several guns shipped after I had my problem, so they haven't cleaned up their act after I posted about it. I (mistakenly) thought after my gun and the posting about it, Fusion would be going over every gun and invoice with a fine tooth comb.

bac1023
09-04-2010, 22:18
Ahhhh, more and more "Fusion Victims" are coming out of the woodwork.

I beg everyone that has had a issue to speak up. Please, if you have sent me emails or PM's now is the time to SPEAK UP!!!

I too had issues of a short chambered barrel. Funny that I had a baggy full of fired brass...but I couldn't beat a 38 Super loaded cartridge into the barrel.:whistling:

I too had the "we don't ever pay for return shipping" speech, only to read Bob bragging on the OTS that he has had a return shipping policy for "years" and "gladly pays".:upeyes:

I see more and more of guns being shipped that do not match the invoice. Several guns shipped after I had my problem, so they haven't cleaned up their act after I posted about it. I (mistakenly) thought after my gun and the posting about it, Fusion would be going over every gun and invoice with a fine tooth comb.



Fusion is really becoming a train wreck.

IceMan711
09-05-2010, 16:04
I saw this on another forum and figured I would register and share my experience.

I received a Fusion a few months ago. I ended up with a great product, but it did take some back and fourth. In the beginning, was difficult to communicate all of the features I wanted on the gun, and their specifications form / invoice leaves a lot of room for error. You really have to stay on them (Bob) to make sure you get the right features and word everything correctly.

I spec'd out a gun with similar features to a Springer TRP or Nighthawk GRP, but with a few differences according to my preferences. It was nice to be able to get a gun with the EXACT features and finish that I wanted. I was able to specify the exact trigger, slide stop, saftey, grips, sights, recoil system, slide serrations, checkering LPI, etc. which was great because I'm very picky and I am not skilled enough to fit and assemble my own parts. The cost ($1700 OTD) was in between the TRP and GRP, but it did contain all high end parts and no MIM, and ION Bond finish which is generally pretty expensive.

I think I got a lot for the price, but it was a hassle, and the wait time was 7 months. I have to compliment the reliability, as the gun runs perfectly after I threw away the mag it came with. (The ACT mag would not feed some JHP's reliably, only ball) I'm using checkmate and Cobra mags and the gun has not had any issues after about 500 rounds of mixed ammo. I would recommend them again based on my personal experience, assuming that you can wait that long and you know exactly what you want. If you aren't picky with the features, you would be better off buying something off the shelf.

When I received the gun, the front sight on my gun was of poor quality, and I had to nag them to get it replaced. I wouldn't say I am Fusion victim #3 though.

I should also add that I changed my mind a couple of times on the parts to be used on the build early on, and Bob had no problem updating the invoice without any hassle or additional charge. I was making his life hell for a couple of weeks there, and he was excellent in putting up with me.

I'm sorry to hear all of the bad reviews, and would love to hear the other side of the story if there is one. There is no excuse for guns that don't even come close to functioning, or incorrect features according to the build sheet.

beltjones
09-06-2010, 21:01
In other news I was banned from the other site for being a "Fusion troll." lol.

I assume all of my posts were deleted, but I challenge anyone to show me where I was ever trolling. Literally everything I posted over there was dispassionate and non-argumentative (even when Bob told me to "grow a pair"), and literally everything I described as part of my Fusion experience was factual and demonstrable. Un-****ing-believable. Shame on them.

HAIL CAESAR
09-06-2010, 23:11
Beltjones,

Sorry to hear about that, but it was not unexpected by me. You must say nice things only!!!!..or be banned.

I think that is why a lot of others do not speak up.

jsykes
09-07-2010, 11:03
It is amazing you cant say anything over there.

Like in this thread, http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=284353

There are four people in that thread with the same issue, if I were to participate it would be 5 with the same problem of a 9mm not feeding or ejecting properly.

I wanted to post why in such a small group are there FIVE people with the same issue if, as they say on their site, "Every firearm produced at Fusion is personally tested by the professional gunsmith and goes through rigid inspection criteria before shipment."

One, or two here and there, OK, but FIVE people in one small thread with the same issue? C'mon, someone really is not doing their job over there and its getting worse.

I wanted to post it in that thread, but have been scared away by their heavy handed tactics. Unbelievable.

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2010, 11:17
Posted it for ya! :rofl:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=2833895#post2833895

Hokie1911
09-07-2010, 11:22
Posted it for ya! :rofl:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=2833895#post2833895

That will be deleted within 10 min. :wavey:

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2010, 11:23
That will be deleted within 10 min. :wavey:

I'm watching,.....and YOU are my witness that I posted it! :rofl:
posted at 1:16 pm, 7 Sept 2010

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2010, 11:42
I just got warned/threatened with banishment. :wow:

Wade-19
09-07-2010, 11:43
It's still there !

Hokie1911
09-07-2010, 11:47
I just got warned/threatened with banishment. :wow:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2010, 11:58
I'll let it ride, just because censorship SUX!

thecableguy
09-07-2010, 12:18
I'll let it ride, just because censorship SUX!

:popcorn::popcorn:

jsykes
09-07-2010, 14:27
Haha, I went in there and quoted it for you to make sure it stays. I also knew it was from here cause when I said five here I was counting my own experience, which you posted it as five while only four were in the thread. LOL

So I posted as the fifth with the issue. :D

We'll see how long it sticks around.

Remjin
09-07-2010, 15:43
That really bugs me that they censor things over there so much. I mean, I can understand stopping actual trolls and flame-wars, but a lot of stuff seemed pretty legit to me and at least worth hearing. Its kind of like the overall media nowadays where no one can say anything that might bother someone or they have to apologize and get fired and what-not. Its ridiculous. People aren't allowed to have an opinion anymore. You'd think people would figure out how to listen to a person and accept, reject, or just consider it in whatever context they choose and leave it at that. Its getting to be like the current political climate.... how dare you say anything against us?! Sheesh.

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2010, 16:12
No banishment,........yet! :dancingbanana:
It's been nearly five hours. Call me a troll or a truble maker, but,
it NEEDED to be said. I really have no rooster in this fight,
I just want to see an explaination or an apology from a "Used Car Salesman"

jsykes
09-07-2010, 18:26
Its amazing, yet another one has cropped up now with the same issue.

I'd really like an answer to our question. It seems like a trouble making type question, but I think its extremely legitimate to have an answer. To this day, I do not know how I got a bag of shells from a "test firing" when it would not feed two rounds in a row from day one.

Sarge43
09-07-2010, 19:54
Didn't you read the thread? It turns out it's a ramped barrel issue. :whistling:
Hmm......Even I am beginning to wonder........it will be interesting to hear the outcome of all of this.
Sarge

beltjones
09-07-2010, 20:57
Didn't you read the thread? It turns out it's a ramped barrel issue. :whistling:
Hmm......Even I am beginning to wonder........it will be interesting to hear the outcome of all of this.
Sarge

I think you ought to get an opinion from Dave Severns on this issue. Will shooting 9mm hollow points in an alloy framed gun cause frame damage? I must say it's the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and there are a ton of 1911 makers out there making alloy frame 9mm's.

Quack
09-07-2010, 21:01
quote so you don't have to look at TOS


After reading his last email, I believe his problem is related to the feed ramp being damaged from the HP’s he is shooting… We no longer make any alloy frame pistol without a ramped barrel do to damage to the feed ramps caused by certain HP’. This model did not have a ramped barrel. That is why his problem has gone to fixed to FTF’s… the ramp on the frame dug up from the HP’s… It is ramped barrel time…

and from another thread:
I will never shift blame to anyone.. We don't work that way..

Sarge43
09-07-2010, 21:09
Yes, I may call him and ask him about that. It seems to my little pea sized brain, that any alloy soft enough for a hollow point to damage would be way too soft for use in a frame, but I'm no gunsmith. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I'll leave that to people more informed on the subject than I.
If the ramped barrel is somehow a solution, then I see the point in telling people about it, BUT, if it's an excuse and nothing more, then I've got to wonder what ever happened to simply saying "It shouldn't be that way. I'm sorry and will fix it.". I'm anxious to hear from the more "smithy" types that frequent here.
Sarge

proudpapa
09-07-2010, 22:20
Didn't you read the thread? It turns out it's a ramped barrel issue. :whistling:
Hmm......Even I am beginning to wonder........it will be interesting to hear the outcome of all of this.
Sarge


My question to that would then be, why not go ahead and take the precaution of using ramped barrels on alloy framed pistols as a standard practice? I have a NHC chambered in 9mm that has a steel frame. So, why would a ramped barrel be used on a steel frame pistol when theoretically there should be no concerns with hollow point damaging the frame?

HAIL CAESAR
09-07-2010, 23:20
BS is sooooooooooo full of BS.

It's never HIS fault. It always somebody's fault, but never his.

jsykes
09-08-2010, 00:45
Funny, mine has a ramped barrel and it didnt solve my problem. Again, why did mine, or any of these leave the factory if they're test fired by the smiths that built them.

Its amazing how he just has been spewing BS for so long. I used to be a fan of his and his company, however, the more BS he spews and the lack of it being his problem has really soured me. Even though he fixed mine, I will never give him any credit or praise since he's never just admitted to issues.

You know, if he had just come out and say they had grown faster than they could handle and that they admit that there have been issues and they're working on trying to fix them as best they can, I'd have some respect for him, but since its just a small group of trouble makers trying to cause problems, he's lost any respect he may have had.

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 06:12
I'm STILL NOT banned,......yet.:whistling:


Wonder if I can make it 24 hours?! :faint:

beltjones
09-08-2010, 07:10
I've never been banned from an internet forum, ever. Ever. And I never posted anything on that forum that wasn't the truth. I tried not to be antagonistic, and gave Bob credit where it was due.

But I still got banned for being a "troll." lol.

Eyescream
09-08-2010, 07:22
I think you ought to get an opinion from Dave Severns on this issue. Will shooting 9mm hollow points in an alloy framed gun cause frame damage? I must say it's the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and there are a ton of 1911 makers out there making alloy frame 9mm's.

If this turns out to be the case, I bet its the first anybody's heard of it.

Eyescream
09-08-2010, 07:24
Also, does anybody find it interesting (and maybe a little portentous) that Fusion's owners initials are BS?

:whistling:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
09-08-2010, 08:28
I'm STILL NOT banned,......yet.:whistling:


Wonder if I can make it 24 hours?! :faint:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Website%20Stuff/banhammer.gif

Quack
09-08-2010, 08:37
I think you ought to get an opinion from Dave Severns on this issue. Will shooting 9mm hollow points in an alloy framed gun cause frame damage? I must say it's the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and there are a ton of 1911 makers out there making alloy frame 9mm's.

all of the alloy 1911's that i've had used ramped barrels.

According to BS, it was the customer's choice to choose ramp or non-ramped frame/barrel. With that being said, he should've informed the customer that there could be problems, or just not offer non-ramped alloy frames.

Quack
09-08-2010, 08:38
any trolls want to reply?
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=284663

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
09-08-2010, 08:48
all of the alloy 1911's that i've had used ramped barrels.

According to BS, it was the customer's choice to choose ramp or non-ramped frame/barrel. With that being said, he should've informed the customer that there could be problems, or just not offer non-ramped alloy frames.

Many of Kimber's alloy 1911s don't use ramped barrels - I don't care for that. I prev had a Kimber that would get visible wear on that ramp with every rang trip.

I wouldn't buy an alloy frame w/o a ramped barrel...

Quack
09-08-2010, 08:52
only Kimber that i owned was a Tactical Ultra II, which had a ramped barrel.
other than that, i haven't looked at other Kimber's.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
09-08-2010, 08:54
only Kimber that i owned was a Tactical Ultra II, which had a ramped barrel.
other than that, i haven't looked at other Kimber's.

The 4 and 5" Kimbers do not have ramped barrels on the alloy frames.

The allow Springer Champion does have one.

Quack
09-08-2010, 08:56
gotcha, still not gonna buy another Kimber (or a Baer :tongueout: )

MD357
09-08-2010, 09:02
quote so you don't have to look at TOS




and from another thread:


Busted. :rofl:

john9
09-08-2010, 10:18
Just called Wilson. They do not used a ramped barrel on any of their aluminum frames and have had no problems to date.

2c5s
09-08-2010, 10:19
Didn't you read the thread? It turns out it's a ramped barrel issue. :whistling:
Hmm......Even I am beginning to wonder........it will be interesting to hear the outcome of all of this.
Sarge

In case I missed it. How did the comparision go over the holiday?

beltjones
09-08-2010, 10:24
Just called Wilson. They do not used a ramped barrel on any of their aluminum frames and have had no problems to date.

Have Serva call them. He'll set them straight.

2c5s
09-08-2010, 10:39
Have Serva call them. He'll set them straight.


LOL, coffee on the keyboard!

Quack
09-08-2010, 10:53
Do i have a gun for YOU!!!

http://www.cardealers.ltd.uk/img/Used%20Cars.jpg

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 10:57
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Website%20Stuff/banhammer.gif

Not yet,............I have another 23 mins to make the 24hr mark

HAIL CAESAR
09-08-2010, 11:30
Jsykes,

Please stay in touch with everyone here...cause you are definately going to get banned over there.:rofl:

All this just stinks to high heaven.

Cerebrus
09-08-2010, 11:40
any trolls want to reply?
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=284663

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand locked!!! :supergrin:

jsykes
09-08-2010, 11:55
Admins there are as bad as Serva. He asks questions in his post then locks the thread. How do I answer his question if he locks it?

Maybe I'll take it to PM. :whistling:

EDIT: just sent to Jason:

BTW, I think posting text from the manufacturers website was more than valid in that thread even if you think its trolling.

I think its a valid question when a manufacturer states that every gun is test fired by the smith, yet more and more are showing up to the customers not functioning. How can that be?

Its a valid question that should be answered.

We'll see what he says.

HAIL CAESAR
09-08-2010, 12:02
Ask him how a Fusion shows up to your FFL with a baggy of test fired brass.....only for you to discover later that the barrel is short chambered and you couldn't beat a bullet into the chamber..??

beltjones
09-08-2010, 12:05
Ask him how a Fusion shows up to your FFL with a baggy of test fired brass.....only for you to discover later that the barrel is short chambered and you couldn't beat a bullet into the chamber..??

While you're at it, ask him why I was banned. I've honestly never been banned anywhere, and I'm still shocked that I they kicked me out for simply posting pictures and my real-life experiences with this brand.

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 12:13
You have been banned for the following reason:
Repeated Fusion bashing offering no help to the OP

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


But,....I MADE it 24 hours! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Do you know what TOS can do?!:whistling:

thecableguy
09-08-2010, 12:14
Admins there are as bad as Serva. He asks questions in his post then locks the thread. How do I answer his question if he locks it?

Maybe I'll take it to PM. :whistling:

EDIT: just sent to Jason:



We'll see what he says.

Yup you sure are banned now! :supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 12:24
While you're at it, ask him why I was banned. I've honestly never been banned anywhere, and I'm still shocked that I they kicked me out for simply posting pictures and my real-life experiences with this brand.

You were banned for questioning AUTHORITY!

Like I said before,.....censorship SUX!

Rinspeed
09-08-2010, 12:44
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/387731197.jpg

Quack
09-08-2010, 12:48
You were banned for questioning AUTHORITY!

Like I said before,.....censorship SUX!

http://blogmeisterusa.mu.nu/archives/CartmanAuthoritah.jpg

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 12:54
Very nice Quack,........I shouldn't have pushed the issue,
but at heart I guess I'm just a troll! :dunno:

Quack
09-08-2010, 13:00
you were a bad monkey

http://www.klabrat.nl/welcome/wp-content/gallery/monkey-art/bad-monkey.jpg

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 13:02
Oh well,.....do you see any tears? :dunno:

Quack
09-08-2010, 13:04
yes

http://k1.smugmug.com/photos/423532275_jqD5T-L.jpg

faawrenchbndr
09-08-2010, 13:14
:rofl:

Where DO you get those pics?! :rofl::rofl:

Quack
09-08-2010, 13:17
The crying kid is inspired by Jill Greenberg "End Times" series

http://www.alternativecenter.ca/imagearticle/jill-greenberg04.gif

Texas Bulldog
09-10-2010, 00:24
Many of Kimber's alloy 1911s don't use ramped barrels - I don't care for that. I prev had a Kimber that would get visible wear on that ramp with every rang trip.

I wouldn't buy an alloy frame w/o a ramped barrel...

I have a Kimber CDP II that had HP's gouge into the aluminum ramp and it failed. I ended up having to get it machined and a steel feed ramp installed.

I'll never purchase another Aluminum ramped gun EVER... And Kimber swears it was not their fault. it was the ammo :upeyes:

2c5s
09-10-2010, 00:43
I have a Kimber CDP II that had HP's gouge into the aluminum ramp and it failed. I ended up having to get it machined and a steel feed ramp installed.

I'll never purchase another Aluminum ramped gun EVER... And Kimber swears it was not their fault. it was the ammo :upeyes:

Imagine that!! Let's see some pictures.

beltjones
09-10-2010, 10:04
Did anyone notice that the "My 9mm won't run" thread on TOS was locked?

It's becoming hilarious. Someone posts a legitimate problem. Other people report having the same problem. Someone else reports the way they fixed the problem. Bob shows up and gives an implausible reason for the problem, while shifting blame away from himself. The collective group says, "WAT?" The thread is locked to save Bob any further embarrassment. Rinse & repeat.

aglocker1911
09-10-2010, 13:24
While I agree that it does indeed seem as though the Fusion section over there seems more like an ongoing advertisement than a true discussion forum, it's only fair tto mention that most of the negative threads end up getting locked because a lot of people with "no dog in the fight" line up to jump on the "kick Fusion/Bob serva" bandwagon. With no new or relevant info pertaining to the OPs question/concerns, I believe most Forum Mods will close down any thread that just becomes a flame war.
Oh, and for the record, I do not own a Fusion, and have no plans to do so, so i could really care less one way or the other. Just an observation, take it or leave it.:whistling:

asiparks
09-10-2010, 14:04
Perhaps your Kimber wasn't properly anodized. Generally speaking, hardened aluminium > copper jacketed lead sliding over it.
My Kimber Pro Elite has dings in the feedramp, but they were from the pointy end of a steel magazine follower, not the ammo. A change to nylon/plastic followers and no more dings. The existing dings have had no effect on function.

HAIL CAESAR
09-10-2010, 15:16
While I agree that it does indeed seem as though the Fusion section over there seems more like an ongoing advertisement than a true discussion forum, it's only fair tto mention that most of the negative threads end up getting locked because a lot of people with "no dog in the fight" line up to jump on the "kick Fusion/Bob serva" bandwagon. With no new or relevant info pertaining to the OPs question/concerns, I believe most Forum Mods will close down any thread that just becomes a flame war.
Oh, and for the record, I do not own a Fusion, and have no plans to do so, so i could really care less one way or the other. Just an observation, take it or leave it.:whistling:

FWIW, I was told not to post my experiences over there and had my posts deleted.

Remjin
09-10-2010, 15:27
What a pile of suck. =oP

38 Super Fan
09-10-2010, 16:38
Wow, this is really an interesting thread. I read through the first 10 pages and I can't believe how bad you got jerked around Alan, glad you got your money back. I'm never going near a Fusion, I can't believe some of the stuff I just read.:shocked:

MD357
09-14-2010, 11:59
Ok, it had been awhile since I'd been over there. I had no idea he was telling them an alloy feed ramp got chewed up after a few hundred rounds. Wow.

HAIL CAESAR
09-14-2010, 12:25
I can't believe how bad you got jerked around Alan, glad you got your money back.


Thanks brother, I appreciate it.

Ok, it had been awhile since I'd been over there. I had no idea he was telling them an alloy feed ramp got chewed up after a few hundred rounds. Wow.

Yes, it was all I could do to contain myself.:upeyes:

beltjones
09-14-2010, 13:07
Thanks brother, I appreciate it.



Yes, it was all I could do to contain myself.:upeyes:

It's easy to contain yourself when you've been banned for no reason (like me).

nolt
09-14-2010, 13:21
all of this just makes me:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6059/bestevermeltdown5il.gif

Remjin
09-14-2010, 15:50
Well, got my picture email today, told him how I want to pay for it, so a few more days and I'll know what I have. Pictures look good, so far, so I'm looking forward to getting it. Looks like I got everything I asked for.

hk_shootr
09-14-2010, 16:00
Holy crap,.......just read this thread.
I'm simply amazed with how this whole deal went down.

'Caesar, you are a VERY patient and understanding individual!

HAIL CAESAR
09-14-2010, 22:59
Holy crap,.......just read this thread.
I'm simply amazed with how this whole deal went down.

'Caesar, you are a VERY patient and understanding individual!

Thanks HK, but sadly the whole story may never be told. (The whole story about how bad a deal the whole experience was.)

bac1023
09-15-2010, 04:56
'Caesar, you are a VERY patient and understanding individual!

More so than I.

That sure sure! :)

hk_shootr
09-15-2010, 05:46
Thanks HK, but sadly the whole story may never be told. (The whole story about how bad a deal the whole experience was.)


Well, if you have more distasteful details about this deal, and you are holding them back,
You Sir, are a much better man than I.

HAIL CAESAR
09-18-2010, 21:58
According to one poster;

Per Bob Serva his guns are only guaranteed to work with WWB ball ammo.

WTH????

Quack
09-19-2010, 02:53
According to one poster;

Per Bob Serva his guns are only guaranteed to work with WWB ball ammo.

WTH????

alright, who's the troll? :dunno:

thecableguy
09-19-2010, 05:15
alright, who's the troll? :dunno:

That's what I was thinking when I read that thread over there.:rofl:

Fusion Victim II
09-19-2010, 05:58
BS (Binghampton Skunk) strikes again! As ludicrous as it sounds, I don't doubt for one minute that is exactly what the OP was told.....he (BS) has more excuses than good 1911's going out the door these days. He preys on folks buying their first 1911's and then when he delivers a piece of crap, out come the excuses.

I find it more interesting how everyone on TOS come rushing to defend BS. It is nice to finally have found a site where you can discuss reality. Wish I had found this site prior to going long two Fusions. Anyone taking bets on how long that thread stays open?

:rofl::rofl:

2c5s
09-19-2010, 08:53
BS (Binghampton Skunk) strikes again! As ludicrous as it sounds, I don't doubt for one minute that is exactly what the OP was told.....he (BS) has more excuses than good 1911's going out the door these days. He preys on folks buying their first 1911's and then when he delivers a piece of crap, out come the excuses.

I find it more interesting how everyone on TOS come rushing to defend BS. It is nice to finally have found a site where you can discuss reality. Wish I had found this site prior to going long two Fusions. Anyone taking bets on how long that thread stays open?

:rofl::rofl:

I missed the deleted post by the OP after BS served up his BS.

Cerebrus
09-19-2010, 09:12
Gotta love his reply.. " Our pistol will shoot most basic types of Hp's with no issue. If you have a HP that will not work, Handload's etc,, The barrel may need additional throating for that specific bullet profile.. There is no way that any company can guaranty that all of the 1000's of bullet geometries will feed all the time.. We test every pistol with ball, Flat points and some HP's. If you have something that you are having issues with feeding you can contact us and we can see what we can do about the barrel throating...etc... But yes... Our pistol do feed HP's..." __________________
Bob from Fusion
fusionfirearms.com

Quack
09-19-2010, 09:20
He says it feeds HP's, but didn't say that they fed them well :rofl:

Texas Bulldog
09-19-2010, 09:34
Gotta love his reply.. " Our pistol will shoot most basic types of Hp's with no issue. If you have a HP that will not work, Handload's etc,, The barrel may need additional throating for that specific bullet profile.. There is no way that any company can guaranty that all of the 1000's of bullet geometries will feed all the time.. We test every pistol with ball, Flat points and some HP's. If you have something that you are having issues with feeding you can contact us and we can see what we can do about the barrel throating...etc... But yes... Our pistol do feed HP's..." __________________
Bob from Fusion
fusionfirearms.com


What is wrong with that response?

I have a Glock 19 that doesn't feed Golden sabers more than 3 in a row. My Dan Wesson 10mm doesn't feed Hornady hollow points reliably, My STI Trojan doesn't like Winchester bonded PDX1.

A lot of guns of all types don't like a certain type of ammo. I don't understand how this is a real gripe? :dunno:

Cerebrus
09-19-2010, 10:20
What is wrong with that response?

I have a Glock 19 that doesn't feed Golden sabers more than 3 in a row. My Dan Wesson 10mm doesn't feed Hornady hollow points reliably, My STI Trojan doesn't like Winchester bonded PDX1.

A lot of guns of all types don't like a certain type of ammo. I don't understand how this is a real gripe? :dunno:

It aint a gripe.. I was just poking fun.. if you had read a few posts up "Per Bob Serva his guns are only guaranteed to work with WWB ball ammo." So I thought Serva's response was a little out of left field.. easy there fanboy..:supergrin:

MD357
09-19-2010, 10:54
Hrmmm, I've NEVER seen a quality gunsmith/ 1911 builder make that BS excuse. Sure you might find a Wilson/Baer/Brown etc that might not feed this or that, but in general these guns are reliable with several different HPs. It's all about how much attention you pay to spec'ing your 1911s.

Fusion Victim II
09-19-2010, 11:09
I missed the deleted post by the OP after BS served up his BS.
2c5s - Don't feel bad, obviously so did BS based on his response!:rofl::rofl:The OP said he was told by BS, Fusion Scouts would only shoot WWB.

He is so busy he doesn't pay much attention to the details and there in lies the problem. Reminds me of the letter I sent him asking for warranty work just like his warranty outlines. The letter detailed every type of ammo I had used.....exactly the same thing Fusion supposedly used. When I talked to him on the phone after he had it for two weeks, the first question he asked......"What type of ammo are you using?" Really disappointing when you are having problems to begin with.:dunno: