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Cobra6
07-10-2010, 21:16
So.....
What is the real deal on the governor's runoff? Is Bentley a crony for the AEA?
Is Governor Riley backing Byrne?

h2o-5o
07-10-2010, 21:39
IMO Byrne is a "one-trick pony". If you take all his campaigning, speeches, and ads, and remove anything about the AEA, you would have nothing left. According to him, the AEA is behind everything negative in the world.

And yes, Byrne is Riley's (and the good ole boy establishment's) handpicked replacement.

Rohniss
07-11-2010, 17:50
I'm voting Bentley, Byrne sucks and if hes the candidate I'm voting for Sparks (aka Democrat).

Riley (and his boy Byrne)'s handling of the bingo charlie-foxtrox is absolutely retarded, people are gonna go to Mississippi and Georgia (and do in vast numbers) to spend their money, so why not let them spend it here and get some of the benefits instead of letting Georgia and freaking Mississippi profit. If Bentley would come out and say that he wants the Arizona Law here I think it would be a landslide.

Cobra6
07-12-2010, 19:20
I'm voting Bentley, Byrne sucks and if hes the candidate I'm voting for Sparks (aka Democrat).

Riley (and his boy Byrne)'s handling of the bingo charlie-foxtrox is absolutely retarded, people are gonna go to Mississippi and Georgia (and do in vast numbers) to spend their money, so why not let them spend it here and get some of the benefits instead of letting Georgia and freaking Mississippi profit.

I don't see the gambling as a screwup for Riley - if he thought a referendum would pass (it has failed twice) he would have gambling here (referred to as bingo) - as of now it is illegal, and Troy King insists on trying to make (and use Goat Hill to help) make 6 or 8 people millionaires in the state. This problem was created by Siegelman and perpetuated by King.

Anyway - do you vote for the republican insider (Byrne) - or the AEA insider (Bentley) - the AEA really scares the crap outta me! I don't want Hubbert running anything!

BTW - I hoping that the AEA is just backing Bentley because they think he may be easier to beat by the democrats in November.

h2o-5o
07-13-2010, 08:11
Other than Byrne's rhetoric, what makes you think the AEA is "supporting" Bentley? I don't think they are "supporting" Bentley, so much as they are "against" Byrne. Byrne has made his entire campaign about the AEA, how he'll fight them, how they're against him, etc etc etc.

Prior to Bentley's unexpected results in the primary, Byrne was claiming that James was the AEA's puppet. Now he's claiming Bentley is. Next, if he should happen to win the primary, guaranteed that he'll claim Sparks is the AEA's puppet. Detect a trend?

I hate to break it to him, but aside from Byrne's political grandstanding, very very few people think (rightfully so) the AEA is behind every negative thing that has happened in Alabama.

BamaAla
07-14-2010, 16:24
I guess negative campaigns don't work in Alabama. Byrne's camp tried every way imaginable to smear Bentley and yesterday we saw the backlash. However, I will be voting for Sparks.

Cobra6
07-15-2010, 22:07
Other than Byrne's rhetoric, what makes you think the AEA is "supporting" Bentley? I don't think they are "supporting" Bentley, so much as they are "against" Byrne.



You were right - I didn't realize this, but heard one of the AEA people saying that since Byrne lost, they could focus resources on some of the other state elections in the fall.

thooks
07-18-2010, 07:55
I've said it before in this forum, I guess it didn't take.

If ya'll elect Sparks for governor of AL, you're screwed even more than you are now. He's nothing but an Obama scholar. He's fully supported Obamacare, he's going to be anti-gun in anyway possible, he's going to be a complete joke.

None of you stand to benefit more than I from Sparks and I don't want him. I'm still a property owner in north Alabama and there's no doubt he will bring back some economic improvement to the DeKalb county area. That will most likely mean my property value would increase back to where it should be.

Just like where GA is headed, AL will have the two worst possible choices to vote for this year. Just like every other election. When will it stop?

cowboywannabe
07-18-2010, 17:57
who does the NRA endorse?

h2o-5o
07-18-2010, 19:04
I must admit, this part of Dr. Bentley's platform caught my attention:

http://www.robertbentley2010.com/index.php?page=law-enforcement-crime-prevention

Public Safety
As Governor, I will work to place a high priority on confronting crime in Alabama. It is of utmost importance to recruit highly qualified and well trained public safety officers. Accordingly, I will propose budgets which increase the salaries of those on the front lines. This will include competitive salaries to attract the most qualified individuals into law enforcement. Additionally, I will expand public safety officer training to include knowledge of immigration laws and conversational Spanish to ensure the safety of our officers and those they encounter.

alba666
07-18-2010, 21:30
who does the NRA endorse?

Haven't gotten any e-mail from NRA-ILA yet on this one. Got one on the District 7 Democratic House runoff, so the e-mail delivery is working. Sorry to see the Obama toadie who didn't answer the NRA-ILA questionnaire win.

BamaAla
07-21-2010, 01:48
I've said it before in this forum, I guess it didn't take.

Well, here's your chance to convince a Sparks leaner.

He's nothing but an Obama scholar. He's fully supported Obamacare, he's going to be anti-gun in anyway possible

Please source these claims for me. Also, if you wouldn't mind, please expand on how we would go down the crapper more than we are now. I'm basically reduced to a single issue voter for this election: gambling. We need a state regulatory commission and legal gaming in this state as well as an education lottery.

BamaTrooper
07-25-2010, 17:31
You were right - I didn't realize this, but heard one of the AEA people saying that since Byrne lost, they could focus resources on some of the other state elections in the fall.

...and crowing in the papers how they mobilized 50k votes for Bentley. Of course Dems voting in the Rep runoff was a factor (according to the papers).

thooks
07-26-2010, 11:57
BamaA,

As far as me 'convincing a Sparks leaner', I don't really care. I own property in Ron Sparks' home town, his home county. Dekalb county has carried a real unemployment rate of around 20%+ for the last 18 months or so. It's statistically one of the highest in the state, throwing out the as-usual Wilcox and Greene counties (along with Marengo, Clarke, etc. that are highly dependent upon Gov't checks anyway). I truly believe if he is elected (which he probably will be) that there is no doubt he will funnel some serious money to Dekalb county. Not saying that the people there don't need it, but that's not the point. The State of AL needs some serious righting of the ship. I'm not going to hate on Riley like many in this country "Hate Bush"....that's not me.

I would love nothing more than the property value of what I have in Fort Payne to increase significantly due to some sort of economic 'boom' there. Then I can unload it and come away with a little coin.

But Sparks ain't the answer to Alabama's problems. Neither is the Pub candidate. As usual, ya'll are left with the two worst choices of the group you started with in March. Same old story, every election.

Gambling is NOT going to correct the problems, either. Gambling is just a tax on stupid people. Where are the gamblers going to come from? And if you think for one second that the people currently trying to push the gaming thing (of which, I think most are being investigated right now...I heard that Steve Feaga is being seen regularly downtown....) aren't working the papers to where they benefit the most and not "the state", then we really don't need to discuss anything further.

I don't care about gambling one way or the other. I might buy a lottree ticket every year or so or if I was near a casino for some reason, I might roll in and spend $20 on Roulette. Otherwise, I'll spend my money somewhere else. But do some research on the commissions that were setup to "watch" the money coming from the GA and TN lotteries...they're broke.

The GA lottery can't even pay it's bills, least not the college scholarships they so beautifully promised. You think it's going to work differently in AL?? :rofl:


As far as the anti-gun thing, Sparks carries that (D) around with him...enuff said.

thooks
08-02-2010, 08:08
I guess it's time to forget politics until Halloween...

cowboywannabe
08-02-2010, 11:32
no current NRA rating on any of them yet?

Cobra6
08-02-2010, 13:33
...and crowing in the papers how they mobilized 50k votes for Bentley. Of course Dems voting in the Rep runoff was a factor (according to the papers).

Yep - the AEA spent $3 mil for the primary and runoff against Byrne - claiming they swung anywhere from 50K - 70k votes - I wouldn't doubt it.

I don't think a lottery will solve problems here - the state is not a good steward of the money it has now - it will probably be even worse if it gets more revenue.

I am close enough to Tennesse that it is looking better all the time - NO income tax, car tags are $25 (no ad valorem tax), sales tax and gasoline tax are the same - property tax is same (except for Homestead exemption is a good deal), Hope scholarship for college, decent roads, etc.

thooks
08-02-2010, 13:45
For those that are considering the lottery/gambling aspect, here is an article telling of the woes of Georgia's HOPE scholarship program, funded by the tax on stupid people, I mean the lottery:

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/lawmakers-to-discuss-hopes-583338.html

In other words, the government-run education system that was supposed to be great because of lottery funding, is broke.

thooks
08-02-2010, 13:47
I'd run away from anyone that was supported by the AEA.

Lemme axe you a question...when the hell was the last time a Pub candidate was supported by Paul Hubbert and the AEA??? No one can smell the fish on that one? I can smell it over here.

Next thing you know, Morris Dees and the SPLC will be endorsing a pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax, ultra-conservative.

Cobra6
08-02-2010, 19:51
I'd run away from anyone that was supported by the AEA.

Lemme axe you a question...when the hell was the last time a Pub candidate was supported by Paul Hubbert and the AEA??? No one can smell the fish on that one? I can smell it over here.

Next thing you know, Morris Dees and the SPLC will be endorsing a pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax, ultra-conservative.

I know that (as h20-5o said) the AEA is not behind everything bad in the state, but they are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Between Hubbert and the State school superintendant, they are sucking down half a million $$$$ in salary and not solving any problems.

thooks
09-25-2010, 06:58
I guess I went into more detail than BamaA thought someone who has Mayretta GA in their profile would.

Cobra6
09-28-2010, 08:30
The last numbers I saw showed Sparks way behind - too far behind to even make a close race in November.

thooks
10-05-2010, 06:35
And if you think for one second that the people currently trying to push the gaming thing (of which, I think most are being investigated right now...I heard that Steve Feaga is being seen regularly downtown....)




Hmmmmm

"11 charged in bingo vote-buying case"

cowboywannabe
10-05-2010, 09:38
how about that Bentley fella? hes decline the Mitt Romney endorsement because he doesnt want to look like hes endorsing Mitt for pres.

whats the deal on Bentley? pro gun? pro gambling or at least leave it up to the people's vote? smaller government? fiscal conservative? what?

thooks
10-06-2010, 09:07
Cowboy,

You've got to realize that if they get this far into politics, they're in it for the sole benefit of furthering themselves tremendously as far as their personal economics.

I make a little less than what the Gov of AL makes as a salary. Why on Earth would I spend MILLIONS of dollars of mine and other people's money, to get a $95k/year job, that probably works out to somewhere nearly 70 hours per week of working (at least doing something other than 40+ a weekend) ????

To be honest, I don't know a whole lot about Bentley and I don't think 90% of the people in AL do, either. I'd say the same holds true of Ron Sparks. Except that first part. I told some people in south Alabama about 6 years ago..."Ron Sparks is probably going to be your next governor"...they all said "WHO???" I said your Ag Commissioner. This was waaaaaaay before any announcement by him. Heck, it was just shortly after he'd been elected as his first term as Ag Commissioner. I could see the map being drawn and the handwriting on the wall, tho.

Go back to my original question and think about it. I believe that Riley and Siegelman spent a combined $12-14 MILLION dollars on campaigns back in 2002. $12-14 million dollars fighting over a $95k/year job. Can you put up that kind of money to get a job that pays that for 4 years?


Allow me a few more words...

Please change your way of thinking and encourage everyone else to do so also, with regards to elections. The most important elections held are the primaries. NOT the general elections in November. But nobody wants to worry with that. Those that do, usually vote for the name most recognized because their too lazy to find out who's running in their district. Wait. They don't even know what district they are in.

Things aren't going to change by electing the same old people. Or the people that have the most money to buy the most signs to put out at the most intersections.


Have no fear, Georgia isn't in any better shape. Go back to that primary election thing...We had TWELVE friggin' people running for Gov in GA. Ended up with the two sorriest ones out of the bunch. How'd that happen? Name recognition and signs... We had some decent candidates, at least on the Pub side. But they have scooted back to their lives prior...